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Most of the "facts" seem to be in if one presumes media has accurately presented on the Michael Brown death at the hand of Officer Darren Wilson.  Below the squiggly a outline of what has been in media ( whether we all believe it or not.)

1 There was scuffle in the convenience store over some cigars involving Brown.  Still unsure whether that was any criminal action or intent.
2. Brown was stopped by Wilson for walking in middle of road (no connection to convenience store incident).
3. Some scuffle/shoving between Brown and Wilson.  Brown flees on foot.
4. Wilson shoots at Brown.  Brown raises hands and faces Wilson.
5. Wilson fires more shots at Brown some 25-30 feet away. Six shots fired in all. Brown dead at scene.
6. Several eyewitnesses say Brown offered no credible threat to Wilson.  

   We trust policemen to be well trained and behave professionally even when dealing with individuals who would use deadly force to escape.  In many cases in the chaos of encounters police use excessive force.  Use of excessive force often seems to be racially based.  This situation seems to epitomize the case of use of excessive force.
   Assuming this gets to trial and the case as outlined gets to you as a juror what would be your verdict?

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  •  Correction About the Shots. Coroner Was Emphatic (1+ / 0-)
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    Sandino

    (coroner hired by family) that six BULLETS had struck the victim, incidentally two of them exiting and re-entering.

    Between the known significant miss rate of police, and the newly surfaced audio, we know there were nearly double the number of shots as hits, and that there was a 3 second pause before the last 5 or so shots were fired which jibes with the eyewitness testimony about the victim stopping and turning around.

    We also know between this incident and the Powell shooting that was fully video'd, that young Black men standing alone without firearms can be gunned down instantly in this region, without need for situation assessment.

    So I'm a little uneasy about one officer being a sacrificial lamb, cost of business continuing in the future as usual. On the other hand there are a lot of thumbs on his side of the scale so maybe I don't worry about the justice of his performance of obviously routine police behavior being suddenly enforced for the criminality it's always been.

    I'm also too vague on the legal meanings of 2nd degree and manslaughter so I'd definitely want to hear that before retiring.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 08:25:56 PM PDT

  •  A little premature to say the least. Let's do a (0+ / 0-)

    poll after the trial.  

    "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubt." Bertrand Russell I'm very certain that is true. 10−122

    by thestructureguy on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 08:32:01 PM PDT

  •  He can just say that he was so scared (0+ / 0-)

    that he panicked and emptied his gun. Unless the prosecution can show that he did it willfully and with forethought, I think he's found not guilty of homicide and manslaughter (voluntary or involuntary, constructive or criminally negligent).

  •  Jury will see this presented- 40 yard chase (0+ / 0-)

    From what I can tell of viewing the aftermath in cell phone videos and local tv reports, the door of the SUV Darren Wilson exited from is 125 feet or so from the body of Micheal Brown, who fell forward six feet when he was killed - his height made horizontal.  

    In sports terms, (sorry to appear to be glib about a tragic death) you have an altercation at home base that leads to a foot chase where one person, the unarmed teen in this case, ran over the pitcher's mound straight to second base, and was killed by a man who ran after him at least as far as some point past the mound.  Some say 20-35 feet was the distance the shots were fired from.  I cannot establish that shooting distance reliably from photos, but there are screenshots that can be shown to prove this is the distance that Brown ran from the SUV, at least, to where his body was after he was shot.  

    That's a long way to chase a kid only to shoot him, and that 's a long way for a 6'4" 300 lbs. teen to run in flip flops.  It's possible the teen heard the officer's footfalls behind him but had no idea he would be shot if he turned around to surrender.  I tend to think he ran as far as he could run, and gave up from sheer exhaustion, not because potshots were fired at him.  Many witnesses think he was hit, and then stopped running for that reason.  It's also possible the cop in the throws of whatever intent had a grip on him, interpreted the teen's turn as an aggressive move, but that is not what eyewitnesses are saying that they saw.  A jury will have to ponder what can be made of this.  

    This was not something that happened right next to the cop car.  One reason some eyewitnesses describe moving their vantage point is because from their windows, they couldn't keep the whole chase in view unless they stepped out doors so they could crane their necks.  This was a pretty long chase, the proverbial 40 years dash, it seems.  Top athletes can do it in less then 6 seconds.  Michael Brown, possibly gunshot already, certainly did not.  Nor would ofc Wilson have.  

    I have no conclusions since i'm not on the jury, but people need to be aware that this was not an altercation that was "settled" a car length away.   Wilson had to run his best to catch the teen, I'd imagine and run a significant distance.  If the teen gave up and his last steps were the "run out" of the sprint, I wonder how far he actually sprinted for, and if this has any insight for a jury or not.  

    •  in other words (1+ / 0-)
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      white blitz

      if a defense is that he "feared for his life" while in the SUV, then ran after the kid 30 yards or so presumably NOT fearing for his life, and then suddenly he once again feared of this life, that's a hard narrative to swallow.

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