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The U.S. Capitol is photographed through a chain fence in Washington September 30, 2013. As many as a million government employees were making urgent plans on Monday for a possible midnight shutdown, with their unions urging Congress to strike a last-minu
Deja vu all over again?
It's been nearly a year since Republicans in Congress shut down the federal government, impacting millions of Americans across the country, causing nearly 800,000 federal employees to be furloughed, and costing taxpayers tens of billions of dollars. Is it going to happen again?
... the funding passed in January expires at the end of next month, on September 30. Both houses must pass new funding bills—likely in the form of a continuing resolution—to keep the government running. And that has raised the possibility of further shenanigans.

A well-placed House Republican source tells me GOP leadership is increasingly nervous about the potential for a rebellion on the funding bill.

Last time around, defunding Obamacare was the Republican goal, and this time it looks like any executive action on immigration reform by President Obama will be the hostage, with both Sen. Marco Rubio and Rep. Steve King delivering the initial shutdown threats.

Bear in mind, the last government shutdown was a disaster for Republicans, with blame for the fiasco being laid squarely at their feet—which, by the way, was probably the only reason it didn't last longer than 16 days—so they wouldn't be stupid enough, barely a month before election day, to do it again. Right? Right? Well, maybe they would, because they already seem to be doing some preemptive finger-pointing:

Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee (and co-author of the budget agreement), told Business Insider, "No, there will not be a government shutdown"—although he then added, "If there is a government shutdown, it'll be because the Democrats brought it about."
Of course.

Stay tuned.

Originally posted to Barbara Morrill on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:16 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Yup nt (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Gooserock, Betty Pinson, murphy0071

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:19:33 AM PDT

  •  What plays well in the gerrymandered districts (13+ / 0-)

    is disaster for the national party.
    The Republican Party falls victim to its own craftiness.

    It built a political machine that can't stay on the road. They sacrificed steering for power.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:22:47 AM PDT

    •  They Own 35 States. Not Too Shabby for a (12+ / 0-)

      "non" national party. These guys play on a 40 year time horizon, Democrats look ahead 40 days.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:33:06 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  They own 35 states...we own the states that matter (0+ / 0-)

        in national elections...I'll take that over their 35 states...

        "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

        by tuma on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:04:40 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  All that horse power (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        True North, cybersaur

        but no horse sense.
        Political muscle without a clue.
        The party is driven by its fear of wingnuts.

        If cats could blog, they wouldn't

        by crystal eyes on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:20:47 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  pretty shitty 40-year game they're playing (2+ / 0-)

        considering the rapidly changing demographics and their hostility towards immigration reform.  The number of states they "own" will likely be decreasing after the next election as well if you're looking at governors' races.

        you can shit on my face but that doesn't mean I have to lick my lips

        by red rabbit on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:21:51 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Then why do we have a Senate majority? (1+ / 0-)
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        RightHeaded

        Why would the House go solidly Democratic if it were not for the gerrymanders? Yes, they have more governors and legislatures in the states with the tiniest populations, plus the Old South. For now. Because demographically they are doomed everywhere.

        The fact is that the 40-year time horizon that the Republicans play on is the last 40 years, peaking with Reagan 34 years ago.

        The other fact is that there are well-funded and well-organized GOTV projects in Virginia, both Carolinas, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, Ohio, Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri that will turn every one of them Blue within a few cycles. Not Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama yet, but their day will also come. Georgia, to take but one example, has three times the number of eligible Black voters needed to flip the state, if we can register most of them and get them to the polls in numbers comparable to others in the state.

        It is Democrats playing the long game today, and Republicans fighting rearguard actions against Tea Party RWNJs that require them to chop and change constantly so that they cannot even tell consistent lies.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:19:43 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  If the sign on the door says "DO NOT ENTER"... (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Betty Pinson, BelgianBastard

    these morons will enter....for Freedumb!

  •  Dems should hit the gop en masse right now (8+ / 0-)

    with a women's "kitchen table issue" massive attack on how the gop's obstructionist policies, including this shutdown threat...
    (and let's take the time to mention that the gop are desperately busy right now trying to tell America that they aren't the obstructionists, the Dems are...and now here's another perfect illustration of their obstructionism for the Dems, on a platter, just before the election...will the Dems be quick-witted enough to jump on it? We'll see. )

    ...just as this poll comes out about women being turned off by gop "policy" (if you can call it that), and  you have MJO desperately trying to deflect ...and you will have other goppers reacting to the poll and you have the media's attention temporarily captured .
    Mary Burke, Wendy Davis, Hagan, etc. and the men including the President, should make the case to women that the gop is incompetent and making the lives of their families harder.
    Right now is the time.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:31:33 AM PDT

  •  Yes. And They'll Make It Happen. (4+ / 0-)

    It's net program cuts from here on.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:32:12 AM PDT

    •  they've already made program cuts (1+ / 0-)
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      dankester

      Digby links to this handy graphic which explains that the actual Senate resolution for 2014 spending is lower than Paul Ryan's original budget and only slightly larger than his proposed 2014 budget.

      The cuts are already done. And more are in the offing, just as soon as this whole "election" thing is over and done with.

      After November, Elizabeth Warren will stop talking about her plan to relieve an infinitesimal smidgen of student loan debt, and we'll no longer hear Democrats hint at strengthening SS. Then Austerity Obama will show up again and start yammering about the importance of deficit reduction. And if he gets a Republican Congress, the Grand Bargain to slash SS/Medicare is a fait accompli. If he gets a Democratic Congress, he'll resume his game of austerity footsie with the Republicans as the GOP threatens shutdown after shutdown, cutting away until he crashes the economy.

      Either way, the beatings will continue until morale improves.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:22:28 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The polls (1+ / 0-)
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    BelgianBastard

    This is another good example of why I don't take a blind bit of notice of all these poll modellers who tell us the GOP has a better than evens chance of taking the Senate.

    Those models ignore the reality that the GOP is so completely insane that shutting down the Government a month before the election is almost certain.

    That insanity is showing up in myriad other ways too, which are not lost on voters as they start to pay attention.

    There is still plenty of work to be done. But I still say the prospects of the GOP taking the Senate are virtually nil.

    •  PE - the GOP isn't going to shut down the (1+ / 0-)
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      Mr MadAsHell

      government a month before the election. Not going to happen.

      "let's talk about that" uid 92953

      by VClib on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:46:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  @PurpleElectric...the GOP won't shutdown the (0+ / 0-)

      gov't...they are stupid but not that stupid...

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

      by tuma on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:06:56 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  if so... (1+ / 0-)
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      PanoramaCityChick

      If the "government" is closed down prior to Election Day, can there still be elections?  Who would pay for them, and how? Can the Republicans put off elections indefinitely, retaining their majority in the House and their stranglehold of the Senate (while blaming the Democrats for not accomplishing anything)?  Wouldn't they actually prefer to do this?  If they actually take control of both the House and the Senate, they would "own" the mess, but if they preserve the status quo, they believe that they can avoid responsibility for all the inactivity.  

  •  Prelude to a Grand Bargain? (9+ / 0-)

    There have been a lot of smoke signals coming out of Washington regarding a possible Grand Bargain on Medicare and Social Security.  Ron Wyden is said to be high on the prospect, and in his position as Chair of the Senate Finance Committee is well placed to push something through after the election.  

    This may be part of the kabuki planned to push this through.  Republicans may be "forcing" Democrats to push through something the party leadership has clearly wanted.  The lame duck session after the election is the obvious time to do this.

    The opposite of poverty is not wealth. The opposite of poverty is justice. ---Bryan Stevenson

    by Dallasdoc on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:36:29 AM PDT

    •  Spot on...it's waiting in the wings. (3+ / 0-)
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      Dallasdoc, Joe Bacon, Betty Pinson

      "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

      by smiley7 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:10:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  But that would be a political disaster for Dems (11+ / 0-)

      in '16, as there's simply no good way to spin that to the sorts of voters they'll need to win. A GB is a bad idea in terms of policy and politics.

      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

      by kovie on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:29:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Precisely (6+ / 0-)

        When did that ever stop them?  It's been obvious for a long time that winning elections is not the top priority for the people who actually run the Democratic party.  If it were, we'd have different policies.

        The opposite of poverty is not wealth. The opposite of poverty is justice. ---Bryan Stevenson

        by Dallasdoc on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:43:27 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Obama doesn't give a shit about 2016 (2+ / 0-)
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        Dallasdoc, Betty Pinson

        He won't be fighting that election, it has nothing to do with him. Let that be Hillary's problem.

        He does give a shit about his "legacy" however. And he'll be very desperate to get a Grand Bargain to slash SS/Medicare. Even if it means splitting the Democratic party for 2016. Because that will seal his legacy among the 1% and the Beltway smart set. They will deify him to an extent that they didn't do even for Reagan. The president who finally, finally brought down the hated New Deal and liberated the plutocrats' wealth from FDR's baleful legacy--for that they will hail him as the greatest statesman of the last one hundred years. The 1% write history, remember. If they say he's the greatest president ever, that's what everyone will think.

        He knows this, and he'll do what it takes to make sure he gets it. Because who doesn't want to be deified?

        If he gets a Democratic Congress, the Republicans will resume their deficit terrorism and he'll continue "negotiating" with them, resulting in scorched-earth budget cutting and causing an economic crisis. If he gets a Republican Congress, he'll shut out the Dems entirely and negotiate a Grand Bargain.

        Either way, we are screwed.

        "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

        by limpidglass on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:49:58 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I don't think it's a foregone conclusion (3+ / 0-)
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          limpidglass, Betty Pinson, bryduck

          ... because the Republicans have proven they can't be counted on to go along.  That's the only reason we haven't had a Grand Bargain already.

          That said, lame duck sessions are when the really colossal screw jobs always take place.  They could wait until December 2016, but a new president might have something to say about the deal Obama would cook up.  2014 is a safer bet.

          Obama has never shown any particular interest in the fate of the Democratic party, except as it pertains to his own electoral prospects.  He's actively avoided being a party leader in any meaningful sense, preferring to maintain a lofty indifference in hopes of reaching across the aisle.  His current minor gestures are clearly more about his own legacy than positioning Democrats for the future.  If it were otherwise, he'd have been pushing these policies a lot harder earlier in his presidency, with coordination among Congressional Democrats.  

          The opposite of poverty is not wealth. The opposite of poverty is justice. ---Bryan Stevenson

          by Dallasdoc on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:00:11 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  their dogmatic resistance to raising taxes (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Mr MadAsHell

            is what's kept us from a Grand Bargain. Obama keeps asking for them to raise taxes, and they refuse because it's an article of the Republican faith that one must never raise taxes.

            Now, if Obama gets really desperate for a bargain, he may simply cave and give them everything they want without asking for any tax raises at all. At that point, he will no longer have to fight another election, so he no longer has to worry about the political consequences. He'll be free to pursue his vision of pure bipartisanship, unhindered by vulgar political considerations.

            And they will pretend that Obama "forced" them into it, while he'll be so happy that they agreed that he will give them all the political cover they need.

            And as I said, if there is no Grand Bargain, then deficit terrorism and austerity footsie will resume at an ever-accelerating pace, bleeding the economy until it collapses. Given the instability in the Middle East and Ukraine, massive drought in the Western US, even comparatively modest cuts could have a huge effect. And they've already cut a lot, if they want to cut more, they're going to have to cut really vital programs.

            It's a Sophie's choice. Grand Bargain or more shutdowns resulting in an austerity death spiral. Nothing can stop that now, no matter whether a Democratic or Republican Congress is elected.

            "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

            by limpidglass on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:15:03 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  If he does that, he'll become the Dems' Bush (1+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              Dallasdoc

              Perhaps not even invited to the '15 DNC, but certainly a pariah whom few will want to be associated with once he's out of office, like Carter, but for different reasons. And then, in 5-10 years, watch the NYT come out with a story about "The Loneliness of a Former President", full of plaintive sighs and tears and details about his golf game and how his library is coming along.

              Such misplaced instincts, such missed opportunities. Sigh.

              "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

              by kovie on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:21:12 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Like Clinton, who did a lot of the same (0+ / 0-)

                kind of stuff?

                "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                by bryduck on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:03:15 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  Clinton's a lot smarter about that than Obama (1+ / 0-)
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                  bryduck

                  Plus, different personality types. Sure, there will always be Dems who will worship the ground Obama walks on no matter what, but he's gotten a lot less base support from Dems than Clinton did, and a big part of that has to do with political and personal style. Clinton was more hands-on and better at SEEMING to care, while Obama is not. He's more cool and distant.

                  "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                  by kovie on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:12:01 AM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  You think so? (0+ / 0-)

                    All polling I've ever seen has shown serious base support for Obama; it's just a base that we don't recognize as liberal, perhaps. I agree that Clinton is a better pol, but we're talking about their post-political careers . . .

                    "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                    by bryduck on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:23:09 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                    •  I think his post-presidency will be less (0+ / 0-)

                      adulatory than Clinton's. It's also not his style to expend as much effort as Clinton does to be popular. It matters to him, just not as much.

                      "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

                      by kovie on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:54:13 AM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

          •  His feckless leadership might work to Dems' (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            Dallasdoc, bryduck

            advantage, as they could probably mostly ignore and work around him in their efforts to avoid any sort of "grand bargain" disasters. Unless, that is, Repubs win back the senate, in which case all bets are off, except that you can bank on Obama's going out of his way to work with them to get such political and policy disasters passed. I have literally never seen a politician so eager to not compete aggressively, more than willing to lose so long as he gets to protect his reputation as a nice bipartisan (40% approval ratings) guy. Politically, his behavior has been nothing short of criminal.

            "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

            by kovie on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:16:59 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  I doubt he'll have enough juice within (2+ / 0-)
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          Mr MadAsHell, Dallasdoc

          the party to be able to do that. After the midterms, he'll be a lame duck and few will pay attention to his mumblings and threats about grand bargains and whatever today's staged photo op is about.

          "Today, I announce my administration's bold new program to renovate the country's aging dog runs, because every dog needs a nice space to roam..."

          He has, of his own doing, turned himself into a bit of a joke, by choosing to be meek and unaggressive in the face of ferocious evil, be it out of a misplaced sense of limousine liberal high-roadism, or as a convenient excuse to do the country's money and power elite's bidding. Yeah, he complains about it all the time, but there's no teeth to any of it, so no one takes him seriously.

          What he should have done was what he praised Reagan for having done, turned the presidency and his party into an effective and vocal engine for social and economic change at the ideological and political levels. He has not done that. He has chosen to not do that. Why, only history will tell. It's like making the Olympic finals and then easing up after the starting gun.

          "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

          by kovie on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:08:56 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Not true...the xenophobic GOP would (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Mr MadAsHell

          never deify Obama...never. Hatred won't allow it. What did he get for implementing a GOP health care plan?. If he touches SS/Medicare...the dems would pay for it dearly...as the GOP would hang that around their necks like neon signs, despite the fact that it's exactly what they want. It would be the most stupid thing for dems to do ever...

          Because that will seal his legacy among the 1% and the Beltway smart set. They will deify him to an extent that they didn't do even for Reagan.

          "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

          by tuma on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:16:30 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Obama may not care about 2016, (0+ / 0-)

          but the Democrats in Congress sure as hell do.  Whatever Republican votes he wins will be more than offset by Democratic abandonment.

          "The truest measure of compassion lies not in our service of those on the margins, but in our willingness to see ourselves in kinship with them." Father Gregory Boyle, Homeboy Industries

          by Mr MadAsHell on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:17:01 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  "Those damned Democrats! (7+ / 0-)

    Standing idly by while we refuse to fund the government!  Just because they have no power in the House!"

    Anyone arguing that there's no difference between the parties is a fucking moron who can simply go to hell. -- kos

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:36:30 AM PDT

  •  Hey GOP. I want MY country back! The one (3+ / 0-)

    that isn't supposed to have an aristocracy that makes all the decisions.

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:37:49 AM PDT

  •  It... (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    hulibow

    ...worked out so well the first time that they need a sequel.

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:38:46 AM PDT

    •  Right?! They don't seem to learn (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      boran2

      from prior mistakes - but that one is pretty fresh so it might still sting.

    •  it worked out great for the GOP (5+ / 0-)

      They got huge cuts to discretionary spending while having to sacrifice almost nothing.

      Saying the Republicans "failed" is like saying that a kid who asked for a pony for Christmas but instead got a Playstation 4 and an iPad got screwed over.

      He didn't. He made out great, and it was all for free!

      The teabaggers didn't get their Christmas wish list, but they got a lot of what they wanted. And the Democrats got absolutely nothing in return.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:30:31 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hard to believe they would--so yes, they will (0+ / 0-)

    You can't use logic to predict the moves of irrational people.  I cannot see any version of reality in which a government shut down benefits any segment of the Republican party, even the Tea Partiers.  But I never understand their world anyway.

  •  Nah. (0+ / 0-)

    They agreed to play nice until after the midterms, when they will impeach Obama just for kicks (and to keep the GOP base fired up for 2016).

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:06:34 AM PDT

  •  Obama has them over a barrel! (7+ / 0-)

    Now would be the time to go bold on Immigration, Minimum Wage, et cetera and drive the TeaBaggers off the cliff. Make SURE that they shut down the government in the beginning of October over issues that will bring Democrats out to the polls and anger Independents toward the GOP.
    SO bring on the shutdown rhetoric, bring on the frivolous lawsuit (already slated to cost US $350K), bring on the Impeachment talk. Make the Republicans pay dearly for their reckless aggravation of their lowest common denominator.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:25:23 AM PDT

    •  Totally agree, just hope Obama follows the drill (0+ / 0-)

      "Art is a lie that makes you realize the truth." - Picasso

      by she the technocrat on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:10:14 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Really (0+ / 0-)

      and I think he likes it.

      This gives him a chance to poke the bear, without any serious consequences. And I think he LIKES doing that.

      The GOP is also soooooo damned reactive, they make it almost too easy.

      Do A, they'll do B. And they'll do it every time. Guaranteed.

      They don't seem to realize the people don't like it when they do B, because the only people they actually listen to DO like it. They don't hear everybody else.

      They really are children. Stuck in their own world, and not even realizing there are people who don't see things the way they do.

  •  I can't imagine... (0+ / 0-)

    that they would do this on the eve of the midterms. Even for Republicans that would be a politically brain-dead move. On the other hand, and for just that reason, I'd love to see them try it!

  •  I'm tempted to say "Please Proceed, GOP" (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    tidalwave1

    But we couldn't possibly be that lucky. Or could we? Remember '06? Perhaps this could be a "page" out of the GOP shoot yourself in the foot playbook.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:27:32 AM PDT

  •  Cruz' last shutdown cost $33 billion, right? n/t (0+ / 0-)

    "Life is short, but long enough to get what's coming to you." --John Alton

    by Palafox on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:29:36 AM PDT

  •  Dear 'Pubs, (0+ / 0-)

    You did read the job description before applying for government work, right?

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:33:54 AM PDT

    •  Yes, they did (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Crashing Vor

      It said

      Intransigent obstructionists needed to dismantle government in order to prove that government cannot do anything useful. Must be able to deny science and economics with straight face and evince complete lack of empathy. Persons with no government experience preferred. Arrogant entitlement a plus.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:35:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  you can say the GOP isn't that crazy (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    mmacdDE

    but the ones who control it now are, their mantra is "no compromise on anything, not now, not ever".  It's a cult, and they don't care if they crash our economy or the world's economy or anything else.  
    Oh, but "they're just like progressives", except that they're not.  

    you can shit on my face but that doesn't mean I have to lick my lips

    by red rabbit on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:34:50 AM PDT

  •  GOP is planning for 2016 (7+ / 0-)

    by trying to raise Obama's negatives even higher to such an extent that people will vote GOP in 2014 and 2016 no matter who they throw out there.  That's how they 'won' in 2000.  Gore had everything going for him in 2000 except that he worked for a President that a lot of people were sick of after 8 years.  People were sick of the drama and they marketed Bush as a pragmatic conservative who wouldn't rock the boat.
    A lot of people overlooked Bush's obvious flaws and shortcomings simply because they were sick of Clinton-era drama.

    Well, the GOP has spent Obama's second term doing nothing but creating drama...from stymying every effort to help the middle class to shutting down the government to exploiting the false start of the health insurance exchange to the foreign policy issues.  If you look at any of those issues factually, Obama has prevailed or is prevailing.  However, they've succeeded in making Obama's negatives go higher simply because of their ability to spread their message and the media's inability to understand how to report facts.

    So, a shutdown is in the cards.  It might mean losing a shot at the Senate in 2014, but it could raise the 'sick of all the drama' factor for 2016 that could help their candidates.

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    by khyber900 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:44:10 AM PDT

    •  Yes, just like how gay marriage was a wedge issue (0+ / 0-)

      That brought repubs to the voting booths during W's years, they are hoping to get GOP voters to the polls by getting them fired up on imigration, and Rubio being a Latino, is the perfect usher since it is a bit more difficult to paint him as a bigit

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      by she the technocrat on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:22:00 AM PDT

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    •  Gore had the voters on the day (0+ / 0-)

      Republicans had to steal Florida five different ways plus get the gift of the butterfly ballot in order to get the result close enough for the Supreme Court to steal.

      He could have done much better if he had not tied himself to old-line triangulating Democratic campaign strategists.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:38:19 PM PDT

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  •  Hopefully, They Are that Stupid (1+ / 0-)
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    I expect Obama, master politician, to announce immigration reform after Labor Day.  GOP will be apoplectic and demand another government shutdown to stop Obama.

    Government will shut down and GOP will lose the Senate again ensuring 2 more years of executive actions.

    Obama trumps GOP once again and there is nothing they can do about it.

    •  He may actually wait until after the (1+ / 0-)
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      Continuing Resolution issue has been resolved, which I think it will - a 2 or 3 month extension.  Then, he can play his "October Surprise" card.

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      by Mr MadAsHell on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:19:32 AM PDT

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    •  If they shut down government (0+ / 0-)

      they will also lose the House.

      Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

      by Mokurai on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:39:08 PM PDT

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  •  Bring it on! Quit threatening. Playing games. I... (0+ / 0-)

    Bring it on! Quit threatening. Playing games. If you are going to do then do it big!

    Give the American electorate a difference to vote on!

    I've been working contract for the last six months so I haven't been on unemployment for awhile. I'm ready for the republicans to destroy the economy again!

  •  ... (1+ / 0-)
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    PanoramaCityChick

    Please let them be that stupid.

  •  You can't assume anything (3+ / 0-)

    about what the Wingnut / Teabagger party might do.

    Boehner had to start the Bullshit lawsuit against the President
    to keep the Insane wing of His party satisfied.

    I don't see the GOPee Wackjobs letting the debt ceiling issue pass without another dose of self-inflicted Stupidity.

    If common sense says NO, then the Crazy People will scream YES
    as loud as possible.

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    by Brian76239 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:57:31 AM PDT

  •  i want the gop (0+ / 0-)

    to do the worst things possible so we might be able to get enough sensible people to vote them out and begin to vote in off year elections, if that doesn't happen soon the future will be in the hands of people none of caring compassionate america would want to have anything to do with much less have leading the govt.

  •  PRAY that this happens! (0+ / 0-)

    The last time the Republicans did this, their numbers tanked. Then, in typical fashion, the voters forgot.

    The end of September is only a month away from the elections.

    Perhaps that would be close enough for the voters to remember this time.

  •  At the risk of being called a "troll" - which most (5+ / 0-)

    folks think I am anyway - I would simply observe that it is useless to attempt to discuss, debate, or otherwise hold anything even remotely resembling "communication" about a crack-pot nut-cult with a nut-cult crack-pot.

    And, today's Teabaghead/Republicans are, for all intents and purposes a real "nut-cult", with the likes of the Boehners, Bachmanns, Cruzes, et.al. as their totally crack-pot "gurus/swamis/prophets/seers/revelators/etc."

    As has been pointed out, today's Teabaghead/Republicans are, really, nothing more than a claque of crack-pots, totally obsessed with their own self-images, and their own feelings of being "powerful/powers-that-be".  Their approach to the very idea of "compromise" - which lies at the heart, and foundation, of every good, sensible, and constructive piece of legislation passed in any elective governing body - is "Not only NO; BUT HELL NO!"  And, both shutting down the Government, and proposing to do so again, are just a couple of the many evidences of their mass psychopathy.

    If we are to continue to be a Representative Republic, "with Liberty and Justice for all", we need to clear the decks, and vote this claque OUT OF POLITICAL OFFICE anywhere, and everywhere, in the United States.  

    As one of our Founding Fathers was heard to say:  "The price of liberty is eternal vigilance."  And, that's exactly what is at stake here, OUR FUNDAMENTAL LIBERTIES as Citizens in, and of, this great Nation.

  •  Why should they worry? The last one didn't hurt (2+ / 0-)
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    They paid no price because the American voter has the memory retention of a goldfish. I'd be willing to bet over 80% of the people don't even remember there was a shutdown last year.

    And until they start paying a price, they'll continue to act like out of control children. They just don't care about what kind of damage they do, they're only interested in power for the sake of power,

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    by Fordmandalay on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:09:50 AM PDT

    •  One correction, if I may. (0+ / 0-)

      It's not that "they don't care about what kind of damage they do", it's that they don't see what they do as damage. They think they are "restoring" the traditions of America. Which they are, if you believe America traditionally spit on immigrants, hated workers, and glorified the rich. Seen in this light, of course, they are right--it's the New Deal era from the 40s to the 70s that were the aberration. We fools who are on the left saw that period as the beginning of new traditions, but sadly it seems we were mistaken.

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      by bryduck on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:08:51 AM PDT

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    •  Umm...goldfish... (0+ / 0-)

      ...do not have 3 second memories. They can be trained to do behaviors...like play soccer. If they only had a 3 second memory, you couldn't do that.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Basically you are saying that the American voter has a WORSE memory than a goldfish. Which they do.

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      by PanoramaCityChick on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:08:46 AM PDT

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    •  Because of the botched ACA rollout (0+ / 0-)

      We're lucky that as of now Obamacare is almost (if not quite) a neutral issue for the fall. Any success less than what's been achieved, and the Senate would already be a lost cause.

      Unless accompanied by a major economic downturn or some international fiasco, a GOP-led shutdown after Labor Day will substantially hurt them for the elections, and impeachment talk even more so. I think they're smart enough to avoid the latter, the former? We'll see.

  •  You'd think they wouldn't be this stupid... (3+ / 0-)

    ...but never underestimate the suicidal nature of much of the GOP caucus. Or the complete inability of their leaders to control them

    I can understand the panic, however. A repeat of last fall's shutdown disaster wouldn't just nuke any GOP chances at the Senate, it could cost them the House.

  •  How much fund raising did the GOP do last time? (0+ / 0-)
    the last government shutdown was a disaster for Republicans

    With great power comes impunity.

    by JustBeKos on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:20:09 AM PDT

  •  Wow people here actually saying the GOP won in ... (0+ / 0-)

    Wow people here actually saying the GOP won in the last shut down fight, they got nothing for it lost the then elections after, and had their poll numbers tank so hard it was staggering... The fact of the matter is your all still sucking the main stream media tests while spewing the same BS they want you too spew.. Wake up and realize that your playing into their hands with such pessimistic views of the Democratic party, this would unite minorities in droves against the GOP across the nation, your forgetting Ferguson is still fresh and the GOP has been on national TV saying purely racist comments on the issue attacking the president on Immigration relief would galvanize the minorities to vote out Republicans in droves.. Especially with all the racist comments about Ferguson from the GOP already.. My god people on this site are so blinded by polls, and data from the same people who claimed a Mitt Romney landslide victory... Right go back too your fantasy horror stories of doom while the real world slaps you in the face with a 7th Democratic sweep election because the GOP is that stupid..

  •  They were successful in renaming the (0+ / 0-)

    last one as The Obama Shutdown.

    Why wouldn't they do it again?

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    by pucklady on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:24:05 AM PDT

  •  Please Proceed, you Rat Bastards (1+ / 0-)
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    Because it worked so well for you the last time.  And there are still millions of long term unemployed still waiting for an extension of their benefits, nine months later.

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    by The Truth on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 10:45:45 AM PDT

  •  Go for it, Pubbies! (0+ / 0-)
  •  Great opportunity for Dems to push immigration (0+ / 0-)

    reform. It plays to our base and motivates immigrants to vote. If that causes a the Republican Racist Caucus (TM) to shutdown the government, so be it. In fact, if Steve King tries to weasel out of his promises to do a shut down over this, I've got four words for him: "Bok, bok, bok. Chicken?"

    Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

    by tekno2600 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:19:14 PM PDT

  •  Oh please God ... (0+ / 0-)

    ... let them do it again. It should effectively eliminate the Republicans as a viable party, maybe forever.

  •  Please, please let there be a shutdown. (0+ / 0-)

    It would be nice to win all the elections decisively this fall.  A shutdown would make those six limbo Senate races a no-brainer for the voters.

  •  Would be lovely if my sig came true :-) (0+ / 0-)

    Would be lovely if my sig came true :-)

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