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New York's noxious governor, Andrew Cuomo, may be riding a wave of money and his father's last name to an easy re-election, but there's a way you can ruin his life: Help defeat his choice for lieutenant governor.

In New York, the governor and lieutenant governor run separately in the primary but together on one ticket in the general election. Ever the sellout to progressive causes, Cuomo chose the most conservative running mate possible that still had a "D" next to her name, Kathy Hochul. How bad is Hochul? I'll let the New York Times explain, from their editorial endorsing law professor Tim Wu:

Mr. Cuomo chose Ms. Hochul this spring to balance his ticket with a conservative woman from upstate. Ms. Hochul now supports his gun control bill, but when she ran unsuccessfully for re-election to Congress in 2012, her campaign featured the endorsement from the National Rifle Association. The N.R.A. said at the time that she had “a proven record of defending the Second Amendment.”

She also boasted repeatedly that she had voted many times against “Obamacare.” She strongly opposed allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers’ licenses. And during her short time in Congress, environmentalists criticized many of her votes, including those to repeal emission standards for cement manufacturers and to allow fewer controls on open pit mines and other polluting industries.

So Hochul is in the NRA's pocket, brags about her votes against the ACA, hates on immigrants, and loves polluting industries. Well, good thing Cuomo decided to try and elevate her to the statewide ticket, huh? And in case you were wondering about her rationale for running for lieutenant governor, she says it's to "support the administration." So on top of everything else, she promises to be Cuomo's toady. That's some serious pile of suck.

So we are endorsing Tim Wu in the Democratic primary. Wu is literally the guy who invented the term "net neutrality." He promises to use his perch as lieutenant governor "as a pulpit, to become the state’s de facto public advocate, particularly in support of consumer issues, Internet access and economic development zones." In other words, he will be a thorn in the corporatist Cuomo's side, and he'll strengthen the net neutrality fight by elevating his own stature.

Unlike the governor's race, the New York Times endorsement can have real juice lower down the ballot, and Hochul's lack of statewide name ID gives Wu an even playing field to work with. Cuomo knows this, and had Hochul release a video where she touted her progressive creds and even name-checked Paul Wellstone—a genuine insult to his memory. Seriously burns me up.

We may be jumping in late to this fight, but we have time to do two things: 1) send some scratch to Wu to help in his final push, and—something everyone on this site can do—2) spread the word to everyone you know in New York. It's a big state. We all know people who live there. So urge them to vote against the Cuomo ticket. Got that? Donate a few bucks, then educate your New York friends and family. Let's do it!

Please give $3 to help Tim Wu stop Andrew Cuomo's hand-picked conservative lackey.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:10 AM PDT.

Also republished by New York State.

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  •  Why aren't you supporting (36+ / 0-)

    Teachout in the primary? Wouldn't that be better?

    Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

    by Matt Z on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:13:09 AM PDT

  •  Crap...now I've got Steely Dan stuck in my head. (6+ / 0-)

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:14:59 AM PDT

  •  Well, Markos, we sure know where your politics (7+ / 0-)

    are: Democratic, but CAREFUL.

    "To take another person's life from the bench is no better than to take another person's life from the street"

    by commonmass on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:15:48 AM PDT

  •  Uh, Kos, isn't it time ... (22+ / 0-)

    for you and Zephyr to bury the hatchet?

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:21:04 AM PDT

    •  ^^^^ THIS! ^^^^ n/t (9+ / 0-)

      Never underestimate stupid. Stupid is how reTHUGlicans win!

      by Mannie on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:00:11 PM PDT

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    •  In bot in the habit of wasting this community's... (2+ / 0-)
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      betelgeux, daeros

      In bot in the habit of wasting this community's money. If you want to do so, however, it's your money.

      Wu can win. Zephyr cannot.

      •  We all thought Cantor would win until he didn't. (13+ / 0-)

        You got a chance to redo Lamont vs Lieberman in this race and really root for an underdog but choose not too. That's cool. There is a lot of progressive excitement in NYC after Deblasio's huge victory. If Teachout wins then it will be a continuation of the reliberalization of New York w/ a big screw you to Wall Street. For once I hope you're wrong in your prediction.

        Hey Kos! Yes it is dumb to say the parties are exactly the same on every issue - but it is dangerous and willfully ignorant to not acknowledge when their rhetoric is different but the ECONOMIC outcomes are the same.

        by Tool on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:00:24 PM PDT

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      •  Even if she doesn't win this time, (11+ / 0-)

        getting a respectable percent of the primary vote will give her a boost for next time.

        And every vote she gets will be a well deserved poke in Cuomo's eye.

        Better times to come unless we settle for the alternative.

        by Outrider on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:23:15 PM PDT

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      •  You were downright giddy at the prospect of a W... (15+ / 0-)

        You were downright giddy at the prospect of a WFP candidate that couldn't win the general - simply because it would piss off Cuomo and throw some egg in his face - to the point of telling us you were thinking about endorsing a non-Democratic candidate for the first time ever until Teachouts name came out.

        It's your prerogative to dislike her over her comments about you in the past - and they were pretty low. I agree with you on that.

        But please don't play us like fools and try to tell us that this is about politics and whether or not she can win. Your prior comments would seem to directly conflict with that statement.

        For many of us, it's either you're serious about "crushing Cuomo" or your not. I'm serious about crushing this clown - and we could use your help to do so.

      •  never say never (3+ / 0-)
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        jbob, sidnora, clenchner

        In 2009 Bill Thompson beat month-old polls by 20.  Bloomberg just ran as the inevitable one. The newspapers lazily followed the bouncing press releases.

        And that's Cuomo's plan. He's just smothering her. Pretending there isn't a primary, pretending there wasn't a Moreland commission, pretending debate is optional.

        I agree it will probably work.

        Zephyr is a good candidate, much better than Thompson was.  Two months ago I was - what? But I saw her speak - she's really,really good on the trail.

        She has enthusiasm, but little name recognition. It is growing.

        But by saying it is impossible you just end out playing into Cuomo's narrative.

        Cuomo is vulnerable. There is absolutely no enthusiasm from anyone.  

        She would do fine as Governor.

        Take a shot.

      •  This is nonsense, sorry. (2+ / 0-)
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        clenchner, Darth Stateworker

        I am supporting Teachout/Wu with my vote, my time, and my money, and I know that neither of them will win. This campaign is about sending a message and moving the Overton window to the left, something you have always claimed to care about.

        You really think people will be splitting their ticket because of this endorsement (oh, and the NY Times, ever cautious, has threaded the same needle)?

        "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

        by sidnora on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 06:33:27 AM PDT

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    •  This, 1000x. ^^^^ (0+ / 0-)

      I posted roughly the same below, before reading your comment.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 06:29:22 AM PDT

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  •  There goes your invite to Cuomo's inaugural party (3+ / 0-)
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    Mannie, MI Sooner, quill

    I don't think Andy wants to be friends with you anymore.

  •  Cuomo could have picked an Adirondack hermit (0+ / 0-)

    to be his Lt. Governor, for all that this office will amount to,  once a Lt. Gov. is elected.   Absent Cuomo kicking the bucket, being the Lt. Governor is a cushy job that is used to hide someone that you don't want to bother you or embarrass the party.  In the words of John Nance Garner, FDR's first veep, the office is not worth a bucket of warm piss.  

    The money that you want us to send to Wu is money that is better spent on races that matter.

    The internet and Twitter have everybody thinking that we can know the truth instantly. That's not the case. We can only know what people want us to believe instantly.

    by SpamNunn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:28:08 AM PDT

    •  Balancing a conservative from downstate (14+ / 0-)

      ... with a conservative from upstate.  That's today's Democratic party in a deep blue state for you.

      The opposite of poverty is not wealth. The opposite of poverty is justice. ---Bryan Stevenson

      by Dallasdoc on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:31:18 AM PDT

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      •  It's only Deep Blue in NYC and Ithaca. (1+ / 0-)
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        mconvente

        The internet and Twitter have everybody thinking that we can know the truth instantly. That's not the case. We can only know what people want us to believe instantly.

        by SpamNunn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:33:57 AM PDT

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        •  Sure seems blue enough in Federal elections (12+ / 0-)

          I wonder why it should be less so in state races?  Couldn't be the crappy Democratic candidates the party chooses to run, could it?

          The opposite of poverty is not wealth. The opposite of poverty is justice. ---Bryan Stevenson

          by Dallasdoc on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:36:17 AM PDT

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        •  It's deep blue in plety of areas now and the red (2+ / 0-)
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          areas are slowly withering away but I think people on this site are over estimating the animus to Cuomo.

          Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/10/122232/619

          by tigercourse on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:37:04 AM PDT

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          •  Withering? I'll find one more current, but this (1+ / 0-)
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            2010 district by district chart tells me that ain't so.

            http://www.google.com/...

            The internet and Twitter have everybody thinking that we can know the truth instantly. That's not the case. We can only know what people want us to believe instantly.

            by SpamNunn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:53:16 AM PDT

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            •  Well... almost nobody lives in those areas. (2+ / 0-)
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              The vast majority of the population is in the blue districts. Those areas have been losing population for decades.

              Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/10/122232/619

              by tigercourse on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:58:32 AM PDT

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              •  Thank God for majority rule. (0+ / 0-)

                We don't want farmers and blue collar having much of a say.  Right?

                The internet and Twitter have everybody thinking that we can know the truth instantly. That's not the case. We can only know what people want us to believe instantly.

                by SpamNunn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:16:17 PM PDT

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                •  That... has nothing to do with what I said. (2+ / 0-)
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                  Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/10/122232/619

                  by tigercourse on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:18:17 PM PDT

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                •  Not when they are conservative and vote against (3+ / 0-)
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                  the interests of NYC's 16 million plus people. Remind me again why Albany is the capital of New York State? Oh yeah because the British invaded and captured NYC during the revolutionary war and to prevent that from happening again the capital was moved so it could be decentralized. Time for that to change.

                  Hey Kos! Yes it is dumb to say the parties are exactly the same on every issue - but it is dangerous and willfully ignorant to not acknowledge when their rhetoric is different but the ECONOMIC outcomes are the same.

                  by Tool on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:21:40 PM PDT

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                  •  The purpose of government is to protect the (0+ / 0-)

                    interests of everyone.   I must had missed your lesson in civics class.

                    The internet and Twitter have everybody thinking that we can know the truth instantly. That's not the case. We can only know what people want us to believe instantly.

                    by SpamNunn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:07:27 PM PDT

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                    •  I got an A in government and was lucky to be (6+ / 0-)

                      in a high school that still offered it. They deserve representation. They do not deserve representation that is disproportionate to the actual population and which actively harms the majority of blue collar/public sector workers. Being a republican in New York often times means you are economically stupid but socially liberal.

                      How many republicans in congress are elected statewide in the Northeast again? Oh yeah - I forgot.  

                      Hey Kos! Yes it is dumb to say the parties are exactly the same on every issue - but it is dangerous and willfully ignorant to not acknowledge when their rhetoric is different but the ECONOMIC outcomes are the same.

                      by Tool on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:04:32 PM PDT

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                  •  As an Albanian (2+ / 0-)
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                    I see both sides of this argument.

                    On the one hand, moving the capital would decimate the entire Albany-Schenectady-Troy MSA to the point it would become Kansas.  Additionally, the cost to move government -  given all the infrastructure it already owns up here, and the cost to purchase and construct completely new infrastructure in NYC - would be astronomical.  Id' also expect the state would need to significantly beef up salaries, as the cost of living in Albany is far cheaper.

                    On the other hand, a large part of the reason why pols in NY like the capital being located away from their home districts is because voters don't get a close in look at their hijinks.  The press corps in Albany simply can't keep track of it all.

                    Devils advocate on that:  Putting the pols closer to big money on Wall Street might not be as beneficial as it would seem at first.  It all depends on how closely they were watched.

                    So having the capital in NYC might possibly help with the corruption problem, but it would certainly destroy the economy of an entire region of the state.

                    The Albany area is like DC - without government, it's dead.  

                    Some I'm not sure at the end of the day moving the seat of state government to NYC really brings more benefit than its current drawbacks.  If the move would negatively affect the lives of almost 1 million people upstate and a plethora of property owners downstate who would inevitably lose their land to eminent domain to build a new Capitol and government buildings, maybe the better play is simply to try to ferret out the corruption while leaving the location of the capital as is.

                    From a selfish perspective:  I don't always see downstate folks giving much consideration to upstate issues, and I feel moving the capital to NYC would most certainly make NYS government even more downstate centric than it already is.  As about 1/3 to 1/2 of the states population is upstate (depending on where you consider "upstate" to begin - which is always a debate unto itself amongst New Yorkers), a more NYC-centric government isn't in our best interests.  The cities up here (which are also quite true blue) need attention too, even if all the rural, Republican loving bumpkin yahoos want to think of themselves as "rugged individualists" that don't need the city.

                    There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

                    by Darth Stateworker on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:02:30 PM PDT

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                •  Wow. (6+ / 0-)
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                  Remediator, Dallasdoc, Mannie, poco, Tool, jbob

                  Do you live in New York?  The population in most of those red areas is so sparse as to be almost non-existent.

                  If I recall correctly, some of the rural counties - the entire county - has low 5 figure or even 4 figure numbers of residents.

                  So your comments are rather ignorant IMO.  Based on your comments on "how much red is on a map", we'd be under the second term of President McCain right now, and George Pataki would be in his umpteenth term as NYS governor.

                  /facepalm

                  There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

                  by Darth Stateworker on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:49:56 PM PDT

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        •  The entire state leg (1+ / 0-)
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          Remediator

          would be blue if Cuomo hadn't enabled the turncoats of the IDC. How much bluer would you need it to be?

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 06:36:25 AM PDT

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    •  Cuomo could get thrown out of office. (15+ / 0-)

      Indictments could come out with Andy's name on them.
      You want Hocul to be next in line?

    •  You're way off. Cuomo chose someone (4+ / 0-)
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      poco, Tool, jbob, Darth Stateworker

      decidedly well to the right of most Democratic voters in New York.  

      She's decidedly right, and he chose her absolutely on purpose.  It was a thick middle finger to anybody who votes dark blue.

      Supporting Wu is principled objection against Cuomo's poor judgment, his deliberate pugnacious dismissal of progressive Democrats, and, not least, supports an extraordinarily well-qualified candidate.  

      Money, volunteerism, and overall support for better Democrats makes perfect sense when we have the opportunity to do just that.  

      "...the baffled king composing 'Hallelujah'..." (Leonard Cohen)

      by Remediator on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:50:20 PM PDT

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  •  Clarification: In New York, the Governor (7+ / 0-)
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    mconvente, tb mare, Loge, cinepost, jbob, Mannie, poco

    and Lt. Governor run on separate lines for the primary, but run as a ticket for the general election.  

    Anyone arguing that there's no difference between the parties is a fucking moron who can simply go to hell. -- kos

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:30:16 AM PDT

  •  Tim WU's opponent Hocul in her own words (9+ / 0-)

  •  Big reason to support Wu (16+ / 0-)

    If Wu wins the primary, then whether or not Cuomo wins his primary, the Independence Party will lose its automatic ballot status. That ALONE is reason to support Wu. Though there are many other reasons.

    There are a LOT of races where we have chances to clean up Albany. I wish more of them got attention.

    FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes! Progressive Blogging New York: Write Now NY Find me on Linkedin.

    by mole333 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:37:59 AM PDT

    •  Isn't that only true if they don't garner 50k v... (3+ / 0-)
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      Mannie, David Nir, jbob

      Isn't that only true if they don't garner 50k votes in the general?

      I suspect the leftover Cuomo/Hochul ticket on the Independence line will still pull that, even if Wu is on the Dem ticket.

      Those Independence asshats are masters at getting enough turnout to vote on their line to keep their grifter party relevant and going in Albany.

      •  Not quite (1+ / 0-)
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        jbob

        If Wu and Cuomo both win on the Dem ticket then Cuomo can't do the fusion because the fusion ticket requires his running mate does. So any vote for Cuomo on the Independence line won't help him because it can't be combined with the Dem vote. So Cuomo will be fighting the Independence Party, they wanting people to vote for him on their line, he not wanting people to vote for him on that line. Would be hard for them to compete his machine.

        That said, you could be right. But it would be very hard for them and Cuomo could well block them by, as someone else pointed out, giving Hochel a judicial position. Then they are dead.

        FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes! Progressive Blogging New York: Write Now NY Find me on Linkedin.

        by mole333 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:22:49 PM PDT

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        •  Maybe I didn't illustrate correctly. (1+ / 0-)
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          Simply because Cuomo wouldn't get the fusion of votes from all lines does not do anything to the requirement that the Independence party needs 50,000 votes on their line to remain a party with a ballot line.

          This has nothing to do with Cuomo.  Your original point was on this killing the Independence party simply because Wu got the Democratic LG nod.  That point isn't entirely accurate.  The Independence party could still get 50k votes on their line - which wouldn't count towards the total Cuomo himself got from the Democratic line via the normal fusion voting rules - but would still count for whether or not the Independence party got 50k votes and keeps their line.

          I've met a few of these Independence party folks - they're slime.  They will do anything and everything they can to keep their line, because it's their line that gives them power (and patronage jobs).  I suspect even if Cuomo lost to Teachout and officially dropped out of the race, they'd still drive people to vote on their line - and likely succeed in getting that 50k votes.  They're that dirty and have that many tricks up their sleeves.

          IMO, the only way to get rid if those clowns is to indict them.  Well, indict and convict them, because a few of them have slithered out from indictments already.

          There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

          by Darth Stateworker on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:37:42 PM PDT

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          •  It has a lot do do with Cuomo (2+ / 0-)
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            Cuomo wants the votes to count. If they don't have the fusion vote, then the Independence votes do him no good. So he will do all he can to prevent people from voting for him on the Independence line because only the Dem votes matter. It will be in his best interests to screw up the Independence vote by any method he can. Can Independence STILL get enough? Maybe. But Cuomo is probably savvy enough to block them.

            FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes! Progressive Blogging New York: Write Now NY Find me on Linkedin.

            by mole333 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:42:31 PM PDT

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            •  True. (1+ / 0-)
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              jbob

              Cuomo could do everything in his power to try to get people not to vote for him on either the WFP, Independence, or his fake "Womens Equality" line.

              My point is that I think the Independence party has enough muscle to convince 50k people to vote for the Cuomo/Hochul ticket on their line, even in such a case.

              At the end of the day, the bar is whether or not a line gets 50k votes.  That is the crux of my original point.  Simply getting Wu on the Democratic ticket doesn't automatically negate that rule.  So your original comment wasn't entirely accurate.  It was speculation on who would vote on what line submitted as fact that not enough people would vote on the Independence line.  

              You and I seem to understand the rule.  We both agree what the rule is.  I simply take issue with the way you presented it - because the way you presented it makes it sound like the minute Wu wins the primary - if he does, the Independence party is already finished and has no legal possibility of keeping their line.  The presentation is inaccurate.  Your assessment of whether or not people will or will not vote on the Independence line is speculation I don't agree with, but valid nonetheless.  Either result could occur.

              But they aren't automatically locked off from re-upping their ballot line on a Wu win.

              There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

              by Darth Stateworker on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:53:16 PM PDT

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              •  Perhaps... (0+ / 0-)

                I am not sure I agree, though when a certain NY State Senator (who I actually like despite everything) said largely the same thing about WFP being destroyed by Wu, I argued. Not because I don't think it possible they might lose their ballot spot, but because I think they could recover. Here is Diane Savino's facebook post:

                this is silly, for the record, i am supporting Kathy Hochul for LG on Sept. 9th. the argument that this guy, Tim Wu, should get the vote of democrats is ludicrous. wht is even more ludicrous is that it is coming from the Left. why, you ask, well, simple, LG and Governor do not run together on the Primary Ballot, but they do on the General Election ballot. so for all of you out there who claim to be Progressives, a vote for Tim Wu, is the death knell ofthe Working Families Party. why, you ask, well the General Election Ballot is set for the WFP. it says Cuomo/Hochul, it can not be changed. so if you vote for Wu and he wins, the Dem Ballot will say, Cuomo/Wu and none of the votes cast on the WFP will count. so real Progressives should vote for Kathy Hochul.
                Largely the same basic argument I am saying about the Independence Party. But also possibly overstated...so I can see where you are coming from.

                FREEDOM ISN'T FREE: That's why we pay taxes! Progressive Blogging New York: Write Now NY Find me on Linkedin.

                by mole333 on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 05:33:07 AM PDT

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                •  You have to look at party enrollment. (0+ / 0-)

                  12% turnout by Independence party members - where the members largely voted party line -  means they keep their line.

                  That's not a gargantuanly large task IMO.

                  You're right it could also be tricky for the WFP, but same deal - it's a large union back organization.  I think they could turn out 50k voters and then some being that there is well over a million union members in NY.

                  I'm playing probability when I speculate.

                  There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

                  by Darth Stateworker on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 07:40:34 AM PDT

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  •  If Cuomo decides to run (6+ / 0-)
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    Mannie, Tool, mconvente, Outrider, Tommymac, jbob

    for the Presidency at some point, rest assured he would NEVER get my support

  •  I'm moving to NY just so I can vote in this electi (4+ / 0-)

    on.

    •  If this isn't snark, (0+ / 0-)

      thank you.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 06:40:56 AM PDT

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  •  I'm voting for Teachout and Wu. No mention at all (15+ / 0-)

    about Teachout Kos? Really? Was the disagreement that bad that you can endorse Wu but not the person on top of his ticket who has picked up several major endorsements over the last week?

    Disclaimers: I am volunteering for the Teachout campaign for the next week 11 days until the elections.

    Hey Kos! Yes it is dumb to say the parties are exactly the same on every issue - but it is dangerous and willfully ignorant to not acknowledge when their rhetoric is different but the ECONOMIC outcomes are the same.

    by Tool on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:45:18 AM PDT

  •  I've met Wu, and he struck me (1+ / 0-)
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    as kind of a dick who has no idea that there may be limits to his knowledge.

    So, yeah, he'd be a great needle in Cuomo.

    Teachout has no chance against Cuomo in the primary, but who wins the Lt Gov nom is anyone's guess.  Most people haven't heard of either of them.  I guess there will be a lot of Hochul lawn signs going up next week from the county parties tho.

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:49:27 AM PDT

    •  Teachout has a great chance in this primary. (14+ / 0-)

      The United Federation of teachers hasn't endorsed a candidate in the primary. Wanna know why? Membership is to divided to pick between Teachout and gov 1%. Same thing with Working Parties. They endorsed 1% after Teachout got 42% of their vote while being no one and only campaigning for 2 weeks. This primary I hope is going to shock a lot of the establishment. If everyone angry at gov 1% comes out - public workers - the poor - the middle class - basically anyone who isn't rich - and votes for Teachout then he will get blown away.

      Hey Kos! Yes it is dumb to say the parties are exactly the same on every issue - but it is dangerous and willfully ignorant to not acknowledge when their rhetoric is different but the ECONOMIC outcomes are the same.

      by Tool on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:53:33 AM PDT

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    •  Wu was my husband's anti-trust professor (10+ / 0-)

      and he loved the class -- even though I believe it was the first time Wu was teaching anti-trust.

      •  he sat in on a seminar i had in law school, (0+ / 0-)

        and basically railroaded everyone, including the actual instructors.  Gave a bad impression, especially if you see listening as part of a politician's job.

        Someone who studies network industries as he does is going to have a solid foundation in antitrust.

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:02:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Well, was he correct or not? (0+ / 0-)

          Steve Jobs was a horrendous asshole, but he was right way more often than not.

          Seems more that you don't like Wu's type-A personality rather than his politics.

          "Give me a lever long enough... and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

          by mconvente on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:06:29 PM PDT

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          •  i don't think it was the sort of thing (0+ / 0-)

            about which it's possible to be 'correct' in any objective sense.  It's hard to glean information from either person when two people are speaking at once, but it was an IP class and i thought he was basically right about copyright term length, but not that it was obvious or deducible from first principles.

            I think i'm allowed to not like people, even based on an initial impression, but i think his personality is going to make it hard for him to govern. I distinctly said it would be good for the stated objective of annoying Andrew Cuomo.  

            Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

            by Loge on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:38:39 PM PDT

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            •  Yes, you are allowed to not like people! (0+ / 0-)

              You have interacted with Wu much more than I have (and I have zero interaction).

              I was more making a general comment that it seems like Daily Kos members don't really like type-A people, because they're too "corporate" or will walk over people to get things done.  And we're supposed to be against that.

              I'm against corporations fucking over little people, but I'm decidedly not against steamrolling people who are clearly wrong and are standing in the way of progress.  Republicans or Democrats.

              I think that type of attitude irks a lot of people here, because it's "mean" or something.

              "Give me a lever long enough... and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

              by mconvente on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 07:57:54 AM PDT

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    •  I have no personal experience with him. (3+ / 0-)
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      So I have no idea what his personality is like.

      However, a Twitter handle like @superwuster would seem to be at least anecdotal evidence he might be a little full of himself.

      However, full of himself or not, if he's knowledgeable and is a thorn in Cuomos side, that's still a net positive over a conservative Democrat like Hochul.

      There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

      by Darth Stateworker on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:55:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  this discussion far exceeds the amount (0+ / 0-)

        of time i'm willing to spend on the Lt. Gov of a state where i don't live.   I don't know what Wuster means, but i mean, sure, he's proably better than Hochul.   I agree with the NYT endorsement of none of the above for gov.  I'd just vote for Cuomo on the WFP line in the general so they get major ballot status.   But, ugh.

        Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

        by Loge on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:11:09 PM PDT

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        •  To me, it comes across like this: (2+ / 0-)
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          Mannie, jbob

          It's like anyone else who adds the suffix -ster after their name.

          IE:

          "Yo, don't you want to hang with the Jimster!?!?"

          I simply don't know anyone who uses that suffix and isn't at least a little bit douchy.

          Again, I don't care about that.  As someone noted downthread, Steve Jobs was pretty damn full of himself but still did a damn fine job at Apple.  

          I wouldn't have to deal with Wu personally, so I could care less if he has or doesn't have a bit of a douchy personality.  I care about results - and stopping the Cuomo freight train.  Or at least slowing it down.  He's already done enough damage in this state.

          There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

          by Darth Stateworker on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:33:45 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  and, and ...? (11+ / 0-)

    you leave me hanging with this endorsement.

    if you really want to get under Cuomo's skin endorse Teachout.

    I don't understand the quarrel.

    An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

    by mightymouse on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:51:28 AM PDT

  •  Fellow New York Democrats: Be sure to vote for... (15+ / 0-)

    Zephyr Teachout and Tim Wu - for Governor and Lieutenant Governor respectively - in the Democratic primaries next month.  And if you happen to live in the 34th State Senate district, be sure to vote for Oliver Koppell - that we might be rid of the odious weasel, Jeff Klein.

    All that is necessary for the triumph of the Right is that progressives do nothing.

    by Mystic Michael on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:53:03 AM PDT

  •  i'm just following the (0+ / 0-)

    recommendations given by a short guy in his brief speech at a Cuban joint in downtown Detroit last month.  money sent.

    Born in Oklahoma Raised in Ohio Escaped to Meechigan!!!

    by MI Sooner on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:59:29 AM PDT

  •  Sigh. A half measure because Markos can't let g... (13+ / 0-)

    Sigh. A half measure because Markos can't let go of something that happened over a decade ago.

    Getting rid of Cuomo should trump your personal shit Markos. I know Teachout pissed you off. What she said then didn't seem right. But really, is that more important than trying to rid the Democratic party of one of its biggest tools? Which of these things in the grand scheme of things is more important?

    I've lost some respect for you over this.

    •  not supporting Teachout because... (6+ / 0-)

      one doesn't like her personally gives everyone an excuse not to vote for Hillary Clinton. Or any other Democrat.

      Dear NSA: I am only joking.

      by Shahryar on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:16:33 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Don't get me started on Hillary. (3+ / 0-)
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        She and Cuomo both come from the same school of politics (Bill Clintons DLC) and have many of the same Wall Street financial backers.

        I really don't understand the love some have for the one while they loathe the other.  Both cut their teeth in national politics at the same time, under the same person.  I fail to see how they aren't essentially both the same.

        But that's a discussion for a diary of its own.

        There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

        by Darth Stateworker on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:00:37 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Fool... (2+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse, daeros

    Cuomo is doing all this for his presidential run in 2016.  He's trying to appear as a "moderate/centrist", which means a GOP lite, Republican in Democratic clothing who will sell out his liberal base in a second.  

    The bizarre thing is that Hillary already has that position filled.  If Hillary runs in 2016 (which looks like a pretty sure thing), she's going to clobber Cuomo in one second.  He doesn't have the name recognition she does, and she's sown up the Wall Street/DLC money already.  Cuomo's a fucking fool if he thinks he's going to usurp Hillary's position as the DLC/Centrist/screw my base candidate.

    If Cuomo was smart, he'd run to Hillary's left, and wouldn't suck up to the GOP.  He won't.  

    •  He's not running in 2016. (1+ / 0-)
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      Not if she runs, anyway. He's setting himself up for either: she doesn't run, or 2020, if she runs and loses, or 2024 if she runs and wins (though he might be past his sell-by date by then).

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 06:45:54 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think the problem for him (2+ / 0-)

        is that he's already past his sell-by date.

        He's triangulated himself right out of ever being a viable POTUS candidate at this point.

        There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

        by Darth Stateworker on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:20:07 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I hope you're right (1+ / 0-)
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          Darth Stateworker

          I would hate to see him ever get a serious shot at the WH. I was speaking strictly in terms of his age, though, not where he may find himself in the political tides when that time comes.

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Sat Aug 30, 2014 at 04:17:19 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  I support Zephyr Teachout and Timothy Wu (10+ / 0-)

    for Governor and Lt Governor.

    Andrew C. White
    3rd Vice Chair Rensselaer County NY Democratic Committee
    Stephentown Democratic Committee Chair

    "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:51:36 PM PDT

  •  Interesting (1+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse

    That's funny; Hochul was much loved around here when she defeated Corwin in the special election to replace Chris Lee...

    •  Yeah. Because she was campaigning like a (5+ / 0-)

      democrat and railing against cuts to medicare and social security. She decided to go all wingnut and side with the republicans when it mattered. She has a deeply conservative district so I give her that - but on things like voting to sue the president? Come on. No pass.

      Hey Kos! Yes it is dumb to say the parties are exactly the same on every issue - but it is dangerous and willfully ignorant to not acknowledge when their rhetoric is different but the ECONOMIC outcomes are the same.

      by Tool on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:40:07 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Wu Tim Gov (0+ / 0-)

    ain't nothing to f@#k with!

  •  Just donated, as this diary reminds me (4+ / 0-)
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    Mannie, poco, jbob, sidnora

    very keenly of how little I like Democrats who veer to the right, attempting to mollify centrist voters, when a liberal Democrat could do so much good with a strong blue base as there is in New York State.  

    I hope Cuomo is thwarted in his own primary, although I concede that is a longer shot.  I hope Wu knocks Hochul off the map and is barking at Cuomo's heels non-stop on every progressive issue there is.  

    And I hope enough goes wrong for Andrew Cuomo in his plunge to the Right to even further destroy his odds at ever winning our nomination.  

    I will never vote for Andrew Cuomo and I want to vicariously enjoy not voting for him through DKos' New York diarists and commenters.  

    : ;

    "...the baffled king composing 'Hallelujah'..." (Leonard Cohen)

    by Remediator on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:06:37 PM PDT

  •  I guess Kos is going to take his enmity towards... (0+ / 0-)

    I guess Kos is going to take his enmity towards Zephyr Teachout to his grave. In this instance he's going to lead some things on the road due to a personal matter.

  •  I really wish you'd bury the hatchet (1+ / 0-)
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    Darth Stateworker

    and endorse Teachout, Markos. She is doing exactly what you've been asking Democrats to do, for as long as I've been here.

    I know what happened 10 years ago, but this is politics, where we make common cause with our present allies, even if we may have a history with them. I have seen others close ranks for the common good who have much bigger cause for animosity. You don't have to marry her. And it would mean a lot to us New Yorkers.

    "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

    by sidnora on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 06:27:43 AM PDT

  •  And for those of us (1+ / 0-)
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    rexxnyc

    who are supporting both candidates, I have created artowrk for a Teachout/Wu poster, size 17"x11", suitable for display in your front window. If you'd like the file, which can be printed out at Staples, kosmail me with an email address I can send it to.

    "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

    by sidnora on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 07:23:02 AM PDT

  •  Teachout & Hochul (0+ / 0-)

    That would be funny...

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