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Women make less than men in almost every field 4 years after graduation.
GOP solution? ignore this and blame the poor.
"We have to quit sitting back and taking it on the chin. I think we have to play offense on this.”
--Katie Packer Gage, Republican strategist
Two conservative groups did a study about the attitudes of women voters toward the Republican Party. As reported to Politico, the results were thoroughly unsurprising: the study, which combined both focus groups and quantitative surveys, found that in general, women felt that the Republican Party lacked compassion and was "stuck in the past." The same study showed that among women, Democrats have massive advantages in perceptions of who cares about making health care more affordable, who cares about women's interests, and who tolerates the lifestyles of others.

It's not a pretty picture for the Republican Party: while they may skate by in 2014 on the basis of it being a lower-turnout and more Republican-friendly midterm election, they will undoubtedly face significant trouble in 2016, especially with the possibility looming of facing off against a very popular figure in Hillary Clinton who will motivate women to vote—and not just because of her gender, but because of her actual stance on issues important to women. So while it's conceivable that Republicans could make gains this year despite the gender gap, they will almost certainly lose the White House for a third straight time absent some sort of significant change.

And what sort of change do they think they need? According to some Republican strategists, it's to "go on offense" on women's issues. More below the fold.

A skeptical person might say that the gender gap exists in its current form precisely because Republicans have been on the offensive so much as it is. After all, it's not so much that the conservative movement is stuck in the past; it's more that they've been doing everything they can to drag us kicking and screaming back there. The national movement toward targeted regulation of abortion providers seeks to return the country to an era before Roe, and the partisan breakdown of reaction to the Hobby Lobby case has put in stark relief which movement believes that we should expand access to contraception, and which movement believes that it's still a topic of shame and controversy. And we haven't even started talking about Republican opposition to equal pay legislation or an Equal Rights Amendment.

On the specific issues of wages and discrimination that would allow women to get a fairer shake in the workplace, Republicans are preventing progress. Meanwhile, on key aspects of reproductive justice, Republicans are seeking to take the country back to the era of back-alley coathanger abortions. And yet they say their best options to combat their image issues is to "play offense." But what type of offense does the report actually suggest? Instead of actual policy substance, the recommendations consist entirely of spinning, deflecting, and distracting from the actual issues:

“Republicans who openly deny the legitimacy of the issue will be seen as out of touch with women’s life experiences,” the report warned, hinting at GOP opposition to pay-equity legislation. It’s the policy item independents and Democrats believe will help women the most.

The groups suggest a three-pronged approach to turning around their relationship with women. First, they suggest the GOP “neutralize the Democrats’” attack that Republicans don’t support fairness for women. They suggest Republican lawmakers criticize Democrats for “growing government programs that encourage dependency rather than opportunities to get ahead.”

Got that? Women feel that equal-pay laws are important to their ability to make it economically in the modern world. But instead of dropping their opposition to such laws, Republicans will instead tell women that they should blame the dependency created by the social safety net for their problems, instead of the fact that the government allows their (mostly) male bosses to pay them less money than their male co-workers receive for the same services. The Republican Party's revolutionary new message the issue boils down to, "equal pay laws? what? hey, look at those poor people getting a handout they don't deserve!" It's hard to know if that qualifies as going on offense, or seeking to simply change the game that's being played.

The Republican response to women's concerns over abortion policy is no better:

Second, the groups suggest Republicans “deal honestly with any disagreement on abortion, then move to other issues.” And third, “pursue policy innovations that inspire women voters to give the GOP a ‘fresh look.’” The report suggests lawmakers and candidates inject “unexpected” GOP policy proposals into the debate as a way to sway female voters. Suggestions include ways to improve job-training programs...
A Republican candidate using this tactic with a female voter might create an interesting conversation. It might go something like, "well, yes, I do want to eliminate all the abortion clinics in your state and force women into dangerous back alleys where they could bleed to death, but on the bright side, how about allowing Medicare to pay for home health services? We can agree on that one, right?"

This is the Republican Party's version of going on offense to combat their dragging poll numbers among women and on women's issues: ignore women's top economic issues, blame the poor, and hope they can agree to disagree on aspects of reproductive justice without paying an electoral price for the extreme tactics the conservative movement has used across the country. If this is the best the conservative movement has when it comes to addressing the gender gap, 2016 will indeed be an enjoyable year for Democrats.

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  •  If one just acts perky and uses the word "folks" (31+ / 0-)

    a time or three, their ignorant but useless word salad that follows SHOULD easily change some librul lady minds.  

    In Republi-World, girls just wanna have Bible approved fun!  If their male Congressional Representative is just strong enough to save girls from themselves

    Someone once asked me why do you always insist on taking the hard road? and I replied why do you assume I see two roads?

    by funluvn1 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 09:36:31 AM PDT

  •  To "Play Offense"... (10+ / 0-)

    a team must have a cohesive, comprehensive, credible game plan.
    The TeaOP does not.
    So they are stuck playing defense...
    Defending policies designed to take women, indeed the entire country, back to a 1950's mentality.

    "These 'Yet To Be' United States" --James Baldwin-- -6.75, -5.78

    by kevinbr38 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 09:41:34 AM PDT

  •  I have seen it stated here a few times (19+ / 0-)

    That Republicans may skate by this election because of lower voter turnout. What can we do to make that not be an assumption? What can we do to make voters on the left feel the tremendous risks that our causes face if the senate switches hands?

    Did we learn nothing from 2010?

    **Electing Republicans to the government is like hiring pyromaniacs as firemen. They all just want to see everything burn to the ground.**

    by CatM on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 09:43:28 AM PDT

    •  The take-away from 2010 SHOULD BE (2+ / 0-)
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      fighting centrist, molunkusmol

      that the president can't run on hope and change and then sit back, with majorities in both houses and act like a fucking Republican. OK... An OLD SCHOOL Republican, but Republican none-the-less.

      WHERE WAS THE PUBLIC OPTION!

      Folded.

      WHERE WAS SINGLE PAYER!

      Folded before the hand was dealt!

      He EARNED The Capitulator In Chief title.

      SURE, since then, he's "learned a few things," but he completely deflated his base - OUR base by NOT being the President of Change he rode in on.

      YES, we should learn that ALL elections matter, but while certainly non-right-wing voters deserve blame for what happened in '10, the President deserves a large slice of that humble pie.

      Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

      by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 09:54:07 AM PDT

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      •  That is irrelevant (17+ / 0-)

        What the president did or did not do has absolutely no bearing on anything I said. So, while I disagree with your characterization, I will save that discussion for a thread where that is the focus of the discussion.

        I am interested in talking about how to get more people to turn out for midterm elections to ensure we retain the senate, not what you think of the president.

        The people who deserve blame for not voting are the people who did not vote.

        **Electing Republicans to the government is like hiring pyromaniacs as firemen. They all just want to see everything burn to the ground.**

        by CatM on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:00:04 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, and yes again (3+ / 0-)
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          CatM, Matt Z, BelgianBastard

          I wish ignorance was not an offered PhD these days.  

          Nice call

          Someone once asked me why do you always insist on taking the hard road? and I replied why do you assume I see two roads?

          by funluvn1 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:07:44 AM PDT

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          •  I like this quote very much. (0+ / 0-)

            "Someone once asked me why do you always insist on taking the hard road? and I replied why do you assume I see two roads? "

            I would add that because in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

            We are just too close to the problem to see the answer. I always get slightly queasy when I hear that Rs will "skate' by" or worse, win senate and Gubernatorial elections because these are off year elections.

            The primaries are a pretty good indication that  our  base of Democratic  voters did not come out. The Republicans motivated their base to vote in the primaries and if one can get the base fired up for the primaries in an off year, you can bet that they will show up to vote in November too.

            Their  voters are energized and angry so they are very motivated. Our voters veer off into the whine of one of the previous commenters that..."we are sad and unhappy...Obama didn't...whatever...sigh".

            ..and then they wonder how despite being against everything that we are for, and despite polls which show that a majority of voters agree with our candidates, we still manage to loose ground every 2 years. Fight to gain it back every 4 years and languish over the long haul.

            It doesn't matter what their strategy is to blind people to their real platforms or whether or not they broadcast it out loud or hide it under a bushel. If WE don't get busy and get active, WE will be crying on each others shoulders again in November.

            The answer is to go find a candidate and volunteer to be boots on the ground. Go register voters, phone bank, walk the neighborhoods - do anything you can think of to get Democrats to the polls in November and then see how their "new" strategy - same as the "old" strategy works out for them.

      •  Even if I accept your premise, (8+ / 0-)

        I doubt spending the next two months blaming Obama for being wimpy will actually fire up our base.  (Although it seems to get you very excited, so I'm happy for you.)  Have any constructive suggestions?

        •  YES... (3+ / 0-)
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          lilyf, JeffW, jedennis

          The Dems should all be pushing on a united front highlighting all the damage the Rs have done and say they're going to do.

          NUMBER ONE on that list should be highlighting the effects - the REAL, ACTUAL effects of the debt ceiling fiasco and shutting down the government and asking voters: do you want more of this?

          Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

          by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:32:40 AM PDT

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          •  That's a good start and much (2+ / 0-)
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            OhioNatureMom, BelgianBastard

            more constructive than your previous comment.

            On a larger note, Democrats should let the Republicans be the party of negativity. That fires up their psychologically dysfunctional base, but alienates everyone else.  We should be the party that offers actual solutions.

            •  This isn't rocket science (5+ / 0-)

              The big problem we have is that we don't have enough Democrats among Democratic candidates.

              A far too large fraction are Republican-Lite. They don't know, much less believe, what it is to be a Republican. We're not just the opposition party, a second fascist alternative to the other fascist alternative. We're supposed to be the party that's for Main Street over Wall Street. If we SAID THAT, we'd be SERIOUS winners, EVERY TIME.

              Democrats win big when they take the gloves off and push SERIOUS, PROGRESSIVE POLICIES, not just watered-down Republican Talking Points.

              Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

              by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:59:19 AM PDT

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              •  Oops, make that... (1+ / 0-)
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                lippythelion69

                "...They don't know, much less believe, what it is to be a DEMOCRAT."

                ...I regret the error!...

                Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

                by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:06:22 AM PDT

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      •  I'm so tired of debunking this old talking point (14+ / 0-)

        The so-called Democratic majority you claim included one Joe Lieberman, who as I recall promised to filibuster any bill that included a public option.

        You know who I blame? Democrats who keep recycling debunked talking points blaming Obama for  things that aren't within his control. Talk about depressing our turnout.

        •  So says another appologist. (0+ / 0-)

          Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

          by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:47:26 AM PDT

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          •  If the ACA had been successfully filibustered (9+ / 0-)

            We probably would be worrying about what President Romney would be doing right about now.

            You can call it apologism if you like, but it doesn't change the fact that neither a public option nor single-payer had any chance of passage.

            •  Keep on believing the propaganda (1+ / 0-)
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              smartalek

              The President didn't even TRY to mobilize public opinion on anything during that era. He didn't even TRY leadership. He sat back and let the two houses try and cobble together something that the ultra-rich could tolerate.

              The RIGHT Way was to say, "GIVE US A PUBLIC OPTION OR BY GOD I'LL FORCE SINGLE-PAYER ON YOU!" -pound-fist-on-table!-

              You can't panzy your way through politics.

              Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

              by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:40:42 AM PDT

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              •  Yeah, and how was he supposed to force (2+ / 0-)
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                askew, ohiolibrarian

                the Democrats in the Senate (which you may recall included such conservatives as Baucus) plus Lieberman to pass single payer?

                In the less than 60 days we had between the seating of Franken and the loss of Ted Kennedy, by the way?

                Facts are inconvenient things. They keep messing up your story line.

      •  I have to say, sticking to the same (10+ / 0-)

        accusations about the President instead of offering useful suggestions about boosting voter turnout isn't much different from the way Republicans stick to their same old playbook regardless of the topic.

        While the GOP is trying to take away contraception, outlaw abortion, make sure men get higher wages than women, fight against minimum wage hikes (or, in some cases, against minimum wage itself), repeal the entire healthcare law, privatize education, demonize teachers, put social security and Medicare on notice, support even more tax cuts for billionaires and big corporations, expand drilling and fracking regardless of the health and environmental effects, refuse Medicaid expansion--all issues of vital importance to women, you're stuck with griping about single payer.

        Feel free to sit home yourself because you're sore at Obama.  He isn't on the ballot, after all.  But don't keep dragging those old resentments to the fore when we try to boost Dem turnout in the midterms.

        "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

        by SottoVoce on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:39:51 AM PDT

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        •  I offered a useful suggestion above. (0+ / 0-)

          Do try to keep up.

          Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

          by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:48:01 AM PDT

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          •  Which was a complete 180 from the silly comment (0+ / 0-)

            that SV replied to.

            •  Can't take valid criticism... (0+ / 0-)

              ...so you attack the speaker.

              Looks like you've earned your right-wing-troll merit badge. What are you doing posting here?

              Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

              by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:42:31 AM PDT

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              •  Oh please (1+ / 0-)
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                clubbing guy

                We get it, okay? Both sides are evil, both sides do it.

                How did Ralph Nader work out for you? Truth is, the public option was too big a step to take all at once. It would have been incredibly disruptive to the economy.

                The ACA was crafted intentionally so as to give states the option of developing their own public option. This way, a couple states can come up with their own strategies, try them out and implement them gradually. Little by little we will see what works and what doesn't, and when companies start flocking to states that have a robust public option it will be very difficult for anyone to argue against it.

                This was really the best way to go - the American public option will develop organically, and as a result will be stronger and will be accepted by more and more people.

                I know purity trolls hate reality. Sorry.

                Mediocrity cannot know excellence ~ Sherlock Holmes

                by La Gitane on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 02:43:36 PM PDT

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                •  Huh. Good point. I hadn't seen that one... (1+ / 0-)
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                  La Gitane

                  ...before.
                  And I can't say I'm entirely convinced that a national public option would have been either as disruptive as you suggest, or as much of a dealbreaker.  (I agree that single-payer would have been both.)  I would have liked to see Obama at least push hard for it -- as I believe he'd promised he would.
                  Nor am I so sanguine about the results you predict of some (presumably blue) states' adoption of their own public options.  By that reasoning, Mississippi, Kansas, Alabama, and Texas should already be depopulated.
                  Buy you've definitely given me a new way of thinking about that aspect of the ACA and I appreciate that very much; thank you.

                  •  Thanks :) (0+ / 0-)

                    That's just my take, but I really do think that Obama had this in mind. No better way to convince business conservatives that something works than good old fashioned competition.

                    No state has one yet (except maybe Vermont? - I know they're working on one, not sure if it's implemented yet.)

                    California might have one in a few years...

                    Think of Massachusetts; Romneycare was the model for Obamacare. The states are a great laboratory for this sort of thing....

                    Mediocrity cannot know excellence ~ Sherlock Holmes

                    by La Gitane on Mon Sep 01, 2014 at 05:46:43 PM PDT

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    •  I will be doing GOTV phone banks (2+ / 0-)
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      Stude Dude, askew

      starting next week (this week it conflicts with a Move to Amend event) unless the Ohio and local parties give signs of bailing on Ed FitzGerald in which case fuck everyone. I don't care.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

      by anastasia p on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:46:05 AM PDT

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  •  What does "go on offense" even mean? (9+ / 0-)

    GOP politicians tend to like aggressive sounding talk, so this strategist who is quoted is drumming up business.  But what is the content that she thinks the GOP can promise without offending another part of its he-man-woman-haters-club constituency?

  •  Oh GAWD, Let's PLEASE not be saddled with Hillary! (1+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude

    She's a fascist war hawk who's only "liberal" on social issues.

    She's SOLIDLY BEHIND BANKERS. She voted FOR the big sell out in 08. She BELATEDLY "regrets" her votes for UN-JUST WAR. She is NOT CONCERNED about the NSA spying on all Americans!

    While she MAY be better than any current Republican candidate you can name, that's not saying much, and  she's NO Elizabeth Warren!

    Bernie Sanders for President, even if he is an old white male! He'd be a FAR better choice on so many different levels.

    Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

    by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 09:48:45 AM PDT

    •  Hillary is not on the ballot in 2014. (4+ / 0-)

      "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

      by SottoVoce on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:41:06 AM PDT

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      •  I was responding to this quote from the article: (0+ / 0-)

        "It's not a pretty picture for the Republican Party: while they may skate by in 2014 on the basis of it being a lower-turnout and more Republican-friendly midterm election, they will undoubtedly face significant trouble in 2016, especially with the possibility looming of facing off against a very popular figure in Hillary Clinton who will motivate women to vote—and not just because of her gender, but because of her actual stance on issues important to women."

        Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

        by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:44:31 AM PDT

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        •  Does anyone realize what real damage (2+ / 0-)
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          OhioNatureMom, Stude Dude

          the TeaOP can do to this country in two years, if they get a majority in Congress?   Just look at Republican controlled states and see the havoc they are wrecking:  education being defunded, women's clinics being closed, oil and chemical companies poisoning our air and water, voting being made harder, labor unions and teachers being attacked...I know there are more Americans than not who realize this, too.  I think we will retain control of the Senate, and gain seats in the House.  I just wish y'all would quit talking like they've already won.  Talk like that discourages people from voting.

          •  If it were to come to that... (0+ / 0-)

            ya know, we could filibuster with our 40 plus votes too. It wasn't a disaster for the Republicans to do it for two years..What's good for the goose............

            •  I truly believe if Repubs gain control of the (1+ / 0-)
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              smartalek

              Senate they will go nuclear and get rid of the filibuster. They are not going to let the Democrats do to them what they did to us. Luckily we still have a presidential veto between us and the disastrous policies they would pass, but it would also mean no good federal judges appointed and there would be no chance of appointing a liberal Supreme Court justice should the occasion arise. There would be no chance of governing for the next two years. I feel it really would be a big (bad) deal to have Mitch McConnell as Majority Leader.

              Friends don't let friends vote Republican.

              by OhioNatureMom on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 01:46:07 PM PDT

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  •  Play offensive or be offensive? I'm glad they're (12+ / 0-)

    stupid & clueless. Now we need to GOTV.

    I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

    by a2nite on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 09:50:09 AM PDT

  •  They can make commercials with all the (4+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, a2nite, Stude Dude, starduster

    'Pub reps and senators who voted for equal pay...

    I live under the bridge to the 21st Century.

    by Crashing Vor on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 09:55:44 AM PDT

  •  I don't know which is more offensive (7+ / 0-)

    the fact that they think women are so stupid that we can't figure out where Republicans stand on the issues such as VAWA, EDNA, contraception and choice and that they can merely change the message to convince us wimmen they have our best interests at heart.

    Or the bloody message which is back to an age where there was no contraception, there was forced birth and women were in the home barefoot and pregnant.  

    Us uppity women just have to be convinced it's for our own good.

    It's still lipstick on a pig and I don't even like the pig!!!

    Why yes there is a war on women and minorities.

    by karma5230 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 09:57:37 AM PDT

    •  "that they can merely change the (6+ / 0-)

      message to convince us wimmen they have our best interests at heart."

      Hey,  it has worked with all those working class white Southern males.  They've been voting against their own self-interest since Richard Nixon because the Republicans know how to "message" them.  Why re-examine a strategy that's worked so well?  I'm sure there's a Republican strategist somewhere trying to figure out how to tap into women's fear and hatred to get us distracted away from the fact that if we vote Republican we get screwed.

  •  When will Republicans, if ever, get the message (7+ / 0-)

    that women don't care what they say.  It's what they do that's important to women, and as long as they refuse to support equal pay and continue to try, and succeed, in shutting down women's health services, including abortion, their blather won't amount to much more than just blather.  Women don't need to be reminded of the things we disagree with in the Republican policy bag.  And women won't appreciate being spoken to or treated like impressionable and easily-influenced children.

    "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke

    by SueDe on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:01:14 AM PDT

    •  I wish that were true... (4+ / 0-)
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      JeffW, starduster, SueDe, offgrid

      ...If it were, the Rs would only be getting about 15% of the vote. Remember, women are over half of all of us!

      So, if women, on the whole, thought as you suggest, why are there ANY elected Republicans anywhere?

      The answer is caught up in religion and tradition; we have long had a male-dominated society, and many women are brought up to believe in it, and "Judeo-Christian-values" reinforce it.

      What we need are better schools and better media. Women need to know they can break with what men want and do just fine.

      Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

      by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:39:17 AM PDT

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      •  For your argument to be valid, one would (1+ / 0-)
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        arlene

        have to assume that women are a monolith.  
        That sounds like the Republican strategy. Edjumicate those silly wimminz. Obviously (in your argument) they are too gullible to think for themselves because they worry about doing not fine if they break with what men want.
        I say, life is complicated and the solution you present does not even come close to breaking the hold patriarchy has on our society because women do not hold the power.
        Your argument insidiously blames women for legislators' failures to do the right thing for women.  Why not an educational/media campaign to educate men how to do the right thing for women.  After all, men are in charge of the government, the financial industry, the legislature, the courts, the banks, etc.
        Why are there so few legislators passing laws to give women equal rights. Give women real allies, instead of empty suit rhetoric.

        •  Hardly. (0+ / 0-)

          "For your argument to be valid, one would have to assume that women are a monolith."

          Your argument is even less supported here than mine.

          Just because in YOUR imagination you can't think of any other answer doesn't mean there aren't any.

          I grew up in the south and I have asked_women why they vote Republican, and the typical answers would, clearly, astound you.

          Of course, this isn't science I'm referring to, it's called anecdotal, however, that doesn't mean it's wrong.

          Certainly some percentage of their behavior is latent racism. Some percentage of it is fear. Some percentage is based on religion, some family history, and for a great many, some complex combination of all these and more.

          My argument doesn't blame WOMEN for REPUBLICAN failures to do the right thing for women, it blames ALL Republican voters. CLEARLY a large fraction of those are women.

          You can set your androgyny aside, please, it's pretty ugly.

          Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

          by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 01:29:41 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  This is the product of the relentless (8+ / 0-)

    march of the Christian dominionists who want to put god and Jesus in the US Constitution. Their dream is a theocratic state where religious freedom is only for white Christians. Only white Christians can carry guns, killing anyone who refuses to convert, only white Christians can receive social safety net aid, and only white Christians can vote and hold political office. In fact the Christian dominionists are the white Christian analog of the Islamic state we see rampaging across mesopotamia parading around with the severed heads of their enemies on pikes.

    Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering. If you like hypocrite Obama, you'll love hypocrite Hillary.

    by harris stein on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:02:07 AM PDT

    •  Can we convince them to go to Iraq (6+ / 0-)

      to defend Jebus from ISIS?  All the religious fanatics could kill each other off and the rest of us could get on with life.

      The trend of the bobblehead shows is bomb, invade, be a MAN, so maybe their natural cowardice can be overridden.

      •  Probably not. (0+ / 0-)

        Their role is usually (certainly there are exceptions, whose service and sacrifices should be honored) limited to cheerleading from safely on the (very distant) sidelines -- and, of course, wielding the "weapon of prayer."
        (Not a recent invention; check out The Notting Hillbillies' great rendition of the WWI-era song of that name.)

  •  The Etymology of the word, (0+ / 0-)

    "Relic" applies to today's Republican Party, left behind and still living in the, "Book of Geneisis."

    Time for the Republican Party to get over that fairly tale that a woman was created from one of Adam's ribs.

    Seriously, Republicans are too damn old for fairly tales??????

  •  I think they're offensive enough already. (5+ / 0-)

    They might want to take a different tack.

    Marx was an optimist.

    by psnyder on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:09:57 AM PDT

  •  Maybe Rick OPPs Rick Perry is their savior (2+ / 0-)
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    I see that a RWNJ in CA wants Sarah Palin to run with a third party.

    Oh Please Please Please Gawd make it happen.

    Conservative Activist Proposes Third Party With Sarah Palin As Its Leader - See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/...

    A government afraid of its citizens is a Democracy. Citizens afraid of government is tyranny! Thomas Jefferson

    by wbishop3 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:10:21 AM PDT

  •  DC Dems should avoid the usual complacency (7+ / 0-)

    About winning women voters. Taking them for granted ha caused them to trip over their appendages many times. While the default position is to publicly castigate the women voters who resist the DLC veal pen approach, Dems need to find a better one. Like actually doing something about fixing the economy instead of shipping jobs overseas. And keeping their hands off Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security until we can put some real adults in charge to prevent corporate theft.

    Dont tell us about Lily Ledbetter. Thats old news.

    Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

    by Betty Pinson on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:20:39 AM PDT

    •  Lets be honest, corporations control the women's (3+ / 0-)
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      Agenda for both parties, to their benefit.

      They learned how to manipulate women voters, politicians and women's public policy through the "Pink Ribbon " breast cancer campaigns and the corporate controlled Komen for the Cure breast cancer charity monopoly. They learned how to manipulate American women's consumer driven sensibilities to control the discussion and limit choices.

      I'm writing a diary anout it, but for now  watch this movie and think about it.

      Link

      Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

      by Betty Pinson on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:27:14 AM PDT

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  •  Offensive is Right (5+ / 0-)

    Like using a different kind of Bread to try and turn a SHIT sandwich into a gourmet meal.

    Bon Apetit to the Village Idiots that Buy It.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:21:54 AM PDT

  •  they're right! (2+ / 0-)
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    'According to some Republican strategists, it's to "go on offense" on women's issues.'

    the problem is they need to go on offense against themselves...

  •  Women that hate women vote repub (1+ / 0-)
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    I personally attempted to have a conversation with a very young blastocyst on this subject of 'person-hood' but the female carrier threatened to call the police! It was probably the head lamp and the speculum that weird-ed her out the most. The bus driver was kind of annoyed also too! They'll be sorry when I get a job as a senior officer in the new Federal Homeland Sakuraty Department of Gina Police. Only whackdoodle women vote for a repub.

  •  I'm sure any woman with half her brain tied behind (2+ / 0-)
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    her back would realize Republicans offer zippo, nadda.  It's all open-ended platitudes of getting government out of the way so all may live in an open, grassy field of freedom flowers and liberty libations, where all have equal access and options to the flowing milk and honey of opportunities...

    •  Trouble is, on the question of politics at least (0+ / 0-)

      most women apparently DO have half their brains tied behind their backs.

      Otherwise, as we are over 50% female, how do you account for there being ANY elected Republicans?

      Yeah, you guessed it: brains ARE tied behind proverbial backs. Yep.

      Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

      by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:10:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Can we at least TRY to avoid really offensive... (0+ / 0-)

        ...statements about women, while pointing out how offensive Publicans are to women?
        I've already had four irony meters go "Spoing!" on me this week, and they're expensive to reset.
        Thank you.

  •  Is there a link to the actual survey? nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  I still don't understand (2+ / 0-)
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    why married women vote republican. Perhaps that is the real voter fraud.  They vote that way cause their husbands tell them to.  It just doesn't seem possible that being married can change your outlook. Surely married women also are paid less, care about reproductive freedom.   Even if those issues don't affect the married woman...they must have single friends, relatives.   I just don't get it.

    Someone needs to remind Republicans that being President while black is not an impeachable offense.

    by regis on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:02:59 AM PDT

    •  It's religion. (2+ / 0-)
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      Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

      by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:11:37 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The Married Man's or Woman's? (1+ / 0-)
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        Is it the religion which gives the man the right to tell their spouse how to vote or the religion which persuades the woman to vote contradictory to her interests?  I still can't understand how any religion can persuade anyone that their status falls below anyone else's.  How can those folks who bellow about how Western religions' having given the globe democracy believe that anyone doesn't merit the same compensation and status as all in society?

        "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

        by PrahaPartizan on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 12:44:48 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I'm neither female, nor married, however... (0+ / 0-)

          ...My take is that quite a few side with some version of "a woman must obey her husband", and support that view with a heavy dose of both religious dogma and personal family history.

          The antidote is education.

          The more educated, the less reliant on religion (males and females) and the more likely to think for one's self.

          As for your final question there, well, hypocrisy knows no bounds.

          Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

          by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 01:19:48 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Women go to church (2+ / 0-)
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          to show that they are in good standing in the community.  As married women, especially with an employed spouse, they tend to be better off financially than their single counterparts.  Many also accommodate their husbands to keep the peace and do not think about politics much.

          I personally think that a good strategy for Democrats is to not let the Republicans off the hook on their sectarian-driven reproductive policy.  Working poor couples can't plan for much of anything if they can't plan for pregnancy.  A distressed pregnancy can drive them into bankruptcy and/or a breakup.

          Once the ignorant comments about condoms and aspirin and who pays have run their course, I always remind lurkers that the rest of the developed world include contraception and abortion at little or no cost to the patient as part of their national healthcare plans.  The U.S. with its sectarian bias has poorer outcomes at more cost as a result.  

          The Republicans would love it if Democrats let them move away from this issue.  

          Don't look back, something may be gaining on you. - L. "Satchel" Paige

          by arlene on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 01:21:42 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  So... time for oppo research on women. Uncover ... (0+ / 0-)

    So... time for oppo research on women.

    Uncover some scandals, bring out the woman-driver jokes, the women-in-office jokes, the blonde jokes...

    If there's one thing the R's know, it's how to go offensive and discredit their enemies.

    Good luck with that, guys, you should give it everything you've got. Unleash your inner genius, wear your heart on your sleeve. Voters love sincerity.

    Oh -- and, uh, see you at the polls...

  •  I am SO unmotivated by Hillary (5+ / 0-)
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    that it scares me, especially since I am supposedly her strongest demographic — older professional women of her own generation. More and more I cannot see myself doing anything  for her other than reluctantly voting for her with no expectations of anything except going backward. I think she's a terrible candidate and we can do better.

    Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

    by anastasia p on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:44:59 AM PDT

    •  Well said. (0+ / 0-)

      Elizabeth Warren; HELL YES.

      Hillary Clinton; HELL NO!

      I agree, though, that we may be forced into voting for her.

      Or, at least most of us "on the left" will be. I can probably vote Independent, if need be, with clear conscience, because my state, CA, is very likely to go with Hillary if she is on the ballot in November, 2016.

      Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

      by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:50:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I feel your pain... However... (0+ / 0-)

        May I humbly and respectfully (real, not snark) share my experience of voting Nader in '00?
        Though I'm in Massachusetts, where Gore won handily, so my vote had zero material impact, I still feel massive guilt-by-association for having done so.
        YMMV, of course.
        But you might find the thought experiment -- how would you feel if your indy candidate turned out to be a spoiler, too? -- instructive.

    •  I am in her demographic too though a bit younger. (2+ / 0-)
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      When she is this uninspiring to older women, I really worry at how uninterested younger and minority voters are going to be over Hillary. It just seems like her time as passed.

      Sinbad on dodging sniper fire in Bosnia - "What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'"

      by askew on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 06:25:49 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  That's not her strongest demographic (0+ / 0-)

      Never has been. She's always been stronger with working class women without a college degree.

  •  Republican "strategists" and (1+ / 0-)
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    OhioNatureMom

    "political consultants" are total idiots.  So what does that make the republican candidates who hire them?  I think I just answered my own question.

    "What are we afraid of, and why are we holding back, when nobody's gonna listen to this shit anyway?" -- magic mitch

    by oldmaestro on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:59:18 AM PDT

  •  The thing that is the most aggravating (3+ / 0-)
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    is that these men, with their Leave It To Beaver mentality, have never been a woman, therefore they haven't a clue as to what they're talking about.  It's like a plumber supervising a surgeon, or a golf pro setting up a roller coaster.  
    Of course, the fact that they haven't figured this out yet, considering the combined mental acumen of Cruz, Ryan, Issa, etc, it is hardly surprising.

  •  the gopers really believe we are bubbleheads. (3+ / 0-)

    We got nothing going on in our brains other than babies and husbands. Oh, my, i don't have a husband yet, what can i do to get a husband, oh woe is me....

    This "offense" is more appropriately know as as "offensive" and makes me dislike them even more. So sure gopers, go with this plan. We will flock to you...

    Earth: Mostly harmless ~ The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (revised entry)

    by yawnimawke on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 12:40:52 PM PDT

  •  No you got a bad transcription. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm sure it said be offensive, not play offense.

  •  The GOP has nothing but (1+ / 0-)
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    Livvy5

    tired old policies that no one likes and don't work. So, all they have left is bigotry, lies, cheating and voter intimidation.

    If I were them, I'd stop wasting money on stupid focus groups. Every single one tells them the exact same thing, and they come away crying "but nobody hears our message!" and "..we have to come up with some new ideas..."

    Well, we're still waiting GOP. Face it. You have no new ideas. Tax cuts, deregulation and privatization fix everything.

    Except they don't. Stop wasting your money and just look at the focus group called "reality".

    Mediocrity cannot know excellence ~ Sherlock Holmes

    by La Gitane on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 02:48:38 PM PDT

  •  PSA to the GOP (0+ / 0-)

    "Going on the offensive" is not the same as "being offensive."

    •  Ssshhhhh! (0+ / 0-)

      Let's not give them any ideas...
      (Not that they'd believe anything suggested by any libtard dumbocrats anyway.)
      If you do want to do something useful, you might consider setting up commenting accounts on various righty sites, with a rwnj persona, and cheer them on for everything they do.
      Remind them that huge majorities poll as "pro-life" (of course they do -- even as many of them still want women to have the freedom to choose); threaten to stay home if they nominate another RINO squish like Mitt and McCain; etcetc.

  •  I get it ... become more offensive (0+ / 0-)

    seems right for the GOP

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Mon Sep 01, 2014 at 04:41:06 AM PDT

  •  Women tend to be the caregivers (0+ / 0-)

    for family members - and it isn't just their children: they are there for the  elderly, their nieces/ nephews, cousins, and the disabled.

     If you already are eking by because you make 70 cents for every dollar a man makes, plus you care for and feed many other people besides yourself, you absolutely need the programs the GOP loathes and cuts:
    1)  food stamps
    2)  affordable health care & family- planning care
    3)  free school lunches and breakfasts
    4)   public transportation,
    5)  welfare and assistance
    6)  respite care and disability help, etc…  
    7)  social security & medicare

    Women whether they need these programs or not, support them because they help build better communities and stronger families.  

    Republican men loathe these things and they view it and  as "handouts".  Of course, these men were all raised by mothers, who did not bill them for their caregiving and gave them food, shelter, healthcare lovingly and free.  Until the Republican men develop empathy and a heart, they will continue to lose the vote of women.

    "The war was expensive to the South as well as to the North, both in blood and treasure, but it was worth all it cost."- General U.S. Grant, Chattanooga campaign

    by Sandy on Signal on Mon Sep 01, 2014 at 05:00:47 AM PDT

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