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The man described as the Koch brothers' "grand strategist" at the Koch brothers' own secret donor gathering has some strong feelings about the minimum wage. Strong as in he thinks raising the minimum wage would lead to fascism.

Richard Fink, an executive vice president of Koch Industries, based his case that the minimum wage leads to fascism on the discredited claim that raising the minimum wage would cost 500,000 jobs. Economic consensus, based on dozens of studies of actual real-life cases comparing states, cities, or counties with higher minimum wage with their neighbors with lower minimum wage, is that raising the wage does not hurt job growth. And you don't have to look far to find recent examples of strong job growth in places that raised the minimum wage. So Fink's argument starts in a problematic place. But it gets a whole lot more problematic really fast:

He continued, “We’re taking these 500,000 people that would’ve had a job, and putting them unemployed, making dependence part of government programs, and destroying their opportunity for earned success. And so we see this is a very big part of recruitment in Germany in the '20s.”

“If you look at the Third -- the rise and fall of the Third Reich, you can see that,” Fink said. “And what happens is a fascist comes in and offers them an opportunity, finds the victim -- Jews or the West -- and offers them meaning for their life, OK?”

Fink cited the historical examples of Nazi Germany and communist Russia and China to segue to terrorism. “This is not just in Germany. It's in Russia, in Lenin, and Stalin Russia, and then Mao,” said Fink. “This is the recruitment ground for fascism, and it's not just historical. It's what goes on today in the -- in the suicide bomber recruitment.”

Not just Hitler, but also Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and suicide bombers. He couldn't come up with any other historical boogeymen? Maybe he could blame the American Civil War on efforts to raise the minimum wage for enslaved people!

Also, it's a small quibble in the historical sweep of Hitler and Mao, but it's worth noting that this whole argument about how destructive it is to have to rely on government programs ignores the fact that if the minimum wage is a poverty wage, as it is right now under U.S. federal law, a lot of people end up dependent on government assistance despite working, because their jobs don't pay enough to live on.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:32 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Ah good ol' Hitler comparisons. Nothing says "I'm (24+ / 0-)

    desperate to prove something I don't agree with by playing the Hitler card." The Libertarian mind just baffles me, even poor Libertarians who so against making businesses do the right thing. They really believe they have the best interest at heart. My old Libertarian roommate constantly defended the Kochs and I just looked at him in amazement.

    Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

    by poopdogcomedy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:38:40 AM PDT

  •  Because requiring that people be paid for work (10+ / 0-)

    is fascism?  Makes sense.

    At the very least, give Fink credit for not trotting out the standard-fare libertarian notion that the minimum wage is bad for black people because apparently companies can only employ black people if they're allowed to pay them like slaves.  And they're clueless as to why this might be considered "offensive" or "racist" to some people.

    30, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:53:25 AM PDT

  •  It Offered the Jews Meaning In Their Lives? (14+ / 0-)
    finds the victim -- Jews or the West -- and offers them meaning for their life, OK?
    I didn't think all that many Jews were attracted to the meaning the Nazis offered them.

    This guy seems to be misthinking.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:54:14 AM PDT

  •  I always thought Hitler was a bad guy (4+ / 0-)
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    Maybe I was mistaken

    "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

    by gjohnsit on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 10:56:46 AM PDT

    •  Heh, yeah. (0+ / 0-)

      The only thing that wingnuts comparing modern-day liberals to Hitler has done is made me have a greater appreciation for Hitler.

      (If you ignore the concentration camps and killing half of Europe, that is.  Let me know when a Democrat proposes any of that and I'll consider Hitler comparisons valid.)

      30, white male, TX-07 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

      by TDDVandy on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 11:04:43 AM PDT

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    •  btw Hitler was wrecking the German economy (2+ / 0-)
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      over in AltHistoryLand its generally agreed that Hitler launched the war at about the right time. Any earlier and the Wehrmacht isn't ready, any later and the house of IOU cards Hitler was rearming the country with collapses. And the Allies were crash mobilizing after Munich either way.

      "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

      by TheHalfrican on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:40:06 PM PDT

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  •  If the dollar is not being used to control the (1+ / 0-)
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    populace, how are the people going to be made obedient?

    Germany sought to evade international sanctions by printing its own money without restraint. The result was unmanageable inflation, but, I'd argue, it wasn't the quantity that was responsible, but the general resistance to accepting the certificates of debt (which is what currency is) from a dead-beat regime. It wasn't that the German mark was no good because there were too many of them; it was that the Germans had proved untrustworthy and so their money was no good.
    Currency has no intrinsic value, just as the letters of our alphabet are worthless. It's what they represent that's important.

  •  Was just pleased to refuse to sign a petition for (1+ / 0-)
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    putting the minimum wage on the ballot in San Diego.  Got asked twice while shopping this morning.

    First, just asked if would put on ballot.  Said I don't think so - a vote is not always the fair way to decide some things.  Then was told that the city council has already passed it.  I said "good."

    Second time was easier. Was asked if I'd sign a petition to prevent minimum wage and said "no."  At least this time it was not as sneaky.

    The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

    by accumbens on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 11:25:32 AM PDT

  •  Another wise gem from the top kochsucker! I'd b... (2+ / 0-)
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    Another wise gem from the top kochsucker! I'd be willing to bet the kochs would crawl through a steaming pile of shit for a $100 bill.

    •  I'm Confused (0+ / 0-)

      Was Karl Rove cloned?

      "A famous person once said, 'You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.' But as I once said, "If you don't teach them to read, you can fool them whenever you like." – Max Headroom

      by midnight lurker on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:57:55 PM PDT

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  •  This speech by Fink is an important read for all (11+ / 0-)

    Democratic activists. Find also slams environmentalism and out lines a right wing strategy for converting the "middle third" of the voters to the right wing views by using a business marketing framework.

    His premise is that 1/3 of the voters love freedom, ( the right), 1/3 or collectivists (Democrats) and one third are the "non-ideological middle."

    He advocates framing the right wing message in terms the middle third will find appealing the way advertisers would.

    We need to pay attention.

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    by HoundDog on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 11:52:49 AM PDT

  •  I wonder how long their wealth would last... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...in this fascist, tyrannical world that we supposedly live in actually existed. These fuckers really don't get it, do they. Let's really give these pricks something to cry about and nationalize their industry and seize all their fucking assests and THEN come crying to us. Assholes.

    Scratch the surface of someone claiming that religion is needed to legitimize government, and odds are underneath you'll find a petty dictator who wants to order people around "Because God says so!"

    by rreabold on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 11:59:11 AM PDT

    •  The irony is they'd get RICHER if the min wage (0+ / 0-)

      was increased to $23 / hour.

      A LOT richer.

      Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

      by RTIII on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:35:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Prevailing Wage? (0+ / 0-)
  •  How does sun an Idiot (1+ / 0-)
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    become a VP with the salary that entails, he doesn't even know what Fascism means.  Maybe he should look in the mirror to see what it really is - industry running the government.

    •  Because the idiot parrots whatever they (0+ / 0-)

      want him to say.

      They don't live in  reality, and they pay him.
      So he does not have to enter reality.
      (Romney was going to win in a landslide, right?)

      Fortunately (smile) many of us don't live in a bubble, and our number is increasing.
      (And Romney didn't win, no matter what Karl Rove and Dick Morris just knew.......)

      And the idiot doesn't realize that he really does NOT live in their  world: is not welcome there:  and they'll drop him like snot from a runny nose  as soon as they don't need him.

      Nazi Germany my foot.
      Can't even call it a false equivalency, it's too stupid and venal for that.
      Deluded moron.

  •  And environmental regulations are like the Trai... (0+ / 0-)

    And environmental regulations are like the Trail of Tears...

    •  We know what happens when theres no Enviro (7+ / 0-)

      regulations- its called China. You cant go outside in Beijing without a gas mask. Pollution there there is several times worse than the levels that inspired the EPA , and Clean Water and Air Acts. We didnt have the EPA until 1970, so we havent had it for 50 years. if it were up to me, I'd have a Conservation Department, with the Park Service protecting our special places, the Forest Service protecting our forests, the Fish and  Wildlife Service protecting our wildlife, the EPA protecting our water , land and air, and the Civilian Conservation Corp, employing millions of people to mitigate the effects of humankind in this country, whether its planting trees to sucks greenhouse gases out of atmosphere, and restoring the everglades, Great Lakes and Gulf Coasts to mitigate sea level rise and climate change. All 5 agencies would be under the same department with the same budget of 20 billion each... for 100 billion in total.

      •  Morrell, I agree. Here is how to sell the CCC (1+ / 0-)
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        part of it to Republicans. The youth are unfit, and if needed for military service they would not be able to do so. Back when the CCC started that was true do to lack of nutrition and health care, today it is true to a point. Most kids have enough to eat, just the wrong damn food.

        I've never seen anything about FDR using the CCC for military prep, but I have to think he saw a storm coming. Part of the reason the Army Corp. of Engineers officers ran the CCC.

        •   The CCC was definitely used partly for military (5+ / 0-)
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          prep, there was a study done around 1933 or so that showed that a full third of young men was unfit for military service, due to lack of proper nutrition or fitness. Also remember the original CCC was limited to white men ages 18-25, so if you were 26 years old or older , Black, Latino, Native, or female, you were SOL. despite that, the CCC employed 3.2 million in 9 years, or close to 350000 a year. If you opened it to anyone age 18+, i figure 10 million could be hired in a year or so. Pay them 15 an hour for 40 hours a week, give them three meals a day, a cot and place to bring their families and pets(in the case of the homeless) that money would cause the economy to grow tremendously. from 1933-36. the GDP grew at 10% or more in three of those four years, and nearly hit 10% in the other. a 10% growth in the economy would translation to something like 1.7 trillion dollars added.

      •  You'd get my vote. (0+ / 0-)

        Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

        by RTIII on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:37:12 PM PDT

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  •  History's Greatest Monsters (1+ / 0-)
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    Rasputin was a huge advocate for paid sick leave. Or so I've heard.

  •  This might make sense.... (2+ / 0-)
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    To someone who flunked World History in junior high. In short, most of the GOP.  Anyone else, not so much...

  •  "The Art Of Leadership....." (0+ / 0-)
    The art of leadership. . . consists in consolidating the attention of the people against a single adversary and taking care that nothing will split up that attention. . . . The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category.(Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, p118)
    Here, let Glenn literally connect the dots to show how it's all connected

    And just throw in the usual Nazi tropes about fighting "envy" and "class warfare" that they trotted out in the last election, and of course union busting.

    Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

    by bernardpliers on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:40:19 PM PDT

  •  these right-wingers have a bizarre attraction to (0+ / 0-)

    the nazis.

    •  It is at least partly projection since they would (1+ / 0-)
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      do what the Nazis did if given the chance and can't imagine that a more developed mind like Obama's does not think in authoritarian terms like baggers.

      Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

      by J Edward on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:57:20 PM PDT

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  •  Facism definition (2+ / 0-)
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    fas·cism
    ˈfaSHˌizəm/

    noun: fascism; noun: Fascism; plural noun: Fascisms

        an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

    synonyms:  authoritarianism, totalitarianism, dictatorship, despotism, autocracy; More Nazism, rightism;

    nationalism, xenophobia, racism, anti-Semitism;
        jingoism, isolationism;

            (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

    One of us, me or Fink (has a man ever been so aptly named!?) does not understand the meaning of the word "fascism."

    For the record, I don't think it's me.

    "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." ~ Steven Biko

    by Marjmar on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:50:50 PM PDT

    •  IDK where you got that, but that's NOT the classic (1+ / 0-)
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      definition AT ALL.

      The classic definition of fascism is the confluence of state and private power - ie: what we have in the USA today where the ultra-rich control everything.

      Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

      by RTIII on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:41:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  First Google result. n/t (0+ / 0-)

        "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." ~ Steven Biko

        by Marjmar on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:04:21 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I guess that's just proof that "internet answers" (0+ / 0-)

          aren't always the best ones!

          Your definition would puzzle someone from the WWII generation!

          Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

          by RTIII on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:11:31 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Maybe. (0+ / 0-)

            Maybe not.

            Are you from the WWII generation?

            "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." ~ Steven Biko

            by Marjmar on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:30:08 PM PDT

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            •  Grew up with them. (0+ / 0-)

              I know what they'd think - at least the ones I had contact with in my part of the country (Louisiana); they'd say your definition was flat out wrong.

              The definition you gave leaves out the most important aspect and isn't really a clear definition at all but a large puddle of mess you can just guess which of those a speaker may be referring to.

              I guess critical thinking skills aren't taught any longer. -shrug-

              BTW, the definition of fascism I gave was what, they said, defined both the German and Italian systems of government at the start of WWII.

              Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

              by RTIII on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:38:12 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  I see. (0+ / 0-)

                Maybe your recollection of colloquial usage explains your opinion on the matter.

                The question as to the source of definitions provided by Google seemed to be a reasonable question so, of course, I Googled and found:

                Google Dictionary Has a New Content Provider

                Google's English dictionary switched from the Collins COBUILD Advanced Learner's English Dictionary to the Oxford Pocket Dictionary of Current English. The definitions from the Collins dictionary are easier to understand, while the Oxford dictionary is more traditional.

                emphasis, mine.

                Link to source for above quote

                "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." ~ Steven Biko

                by Marjmar on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 07:51:12 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

  •  Oh ya?? (0+ / 0-)

    ...and the Koch brothers are like Fidel and Raul Castro.


    Caution: Reality in the mirror may be closer than it appears.

    by glb3 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:51:47 PM PDT

  •  Projection (2+ / 0-)
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    Pure and simple projection

  •  Why is this OK? (0+ / 0-)

    The rule is no Nazi . . .

  •  Fink (how appropriate) needs to have a large motel (1+ / 0-)
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    flashing arrow vacancy sign constantly pointed at his head. Bad taste to begin with the Hitler BS. they usually save it for later.

    Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

    by J Edward on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:54:28 PM PDT

  •  Dick Fink... (1+ / 0-)
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    I couldn't have named him better myself...

    I ride the wild horse .

    by BelgianBastard on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:58:43 PM PDT

  •  Can't believe he failed to work Idi Amin in there, (1+ / 0-)
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    or the Rwanda genocide--even the casual student of African history knows that both were the result of raising the minimum wage.  

    Although this is still controversial, there's also mounting evidence that the planetary extinction of the dinosaurs was--you guessed it--the result of their vote to raise the minimum wage.  

  •  Koch bro's spokesman says min wage like Nazis (4+ / 0-)

    Why is it that the extreme right in this country are constantly comparing everything to Hitler and the Nazis? How stupid do they think we are? Anyone who knows history will tell you....the Nazis were far right wing extremists who took advantage of a nation in panic and fear to pass emergency measures giving Hitler absolute power and the madness began! Imagine if these nuts here had absolute power. The horror! I know I'd be in one of their prison camps.

  •  Mein Koch (3+ / 0-)
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    Dummkopf

  •  Someone at work stole my yogurt (1+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse

    It was just like Hitler times Mao to the Pol Pot power.

  •  Fascists like the Polluting Koch Brothers (1+ / 0-)
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    ...always conveniently forget: Paying people more money gives them MORE MONEY TO SPEND...thereby increasing business and creating more jobs.

    "Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?" - General Jack D. Ripper

    by wilder5121 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:11:15 PM PDT

  •  How come these Republicants (3+ / 0-)
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    can always come up with the number of jobs we'll lose by raising the minimum wage, but can't seem to figure out the number of jobs lost because the working poor can't buy goods and services?

    And I'm getting sick and tired of these idiots equating anything they don't like with Nazism, Communism or, incredibly, both. It's clear they have absolutely no understanding of either "ism."

  •  Their Grand Dragon, er, grand strategist, knows (1+ / 0-)
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    from fascism, I'll wager.

    "Life is short, but long enough to get what's coming to you." --John Alton

    by Palafox on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:36:48 PM PDT

  •  WWI lead to WWII, Fink should spend less time (3+ / 0-)
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    with the Koch's and more time with a history book. And while reading history he might want to check out Fred Koch.

  •  commie 40 hours @$15 vs patriotic 80 hours @$7.50 (1+ / 0-)
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    What patriotic American wouldn't prefer to work 80 freemarket hours at $7.50 versus being a fascist/socialist working 40 hours at $15.00?

    Why at $7.50 there could be twice as many jobs.  Your wife could work at $7.50 too.  Now that's real American patriotism.  

    Don't be a commie; protect those corporate profits and executive salaries.

  •  And William Shirer rises from his grave (0+ / 0-)

    and beats the crap out of Richard Fink.

  •  commie 40 hours @$15 or patriotic 80 hours @$7.50? (0+ / 0-)

    What patriotic American wouldn't prefer to work 80 freemarket hours at $7.50 versus a fascist/socialist 40 hours at $15.00?

    At $7.50 there can be twice as many great freemarket jobs.  You could work two jobs, or your wife could work the other job.  Oh, you both work 2 jobs already, with no commie benefits.  Now, that's patriotic.

    Don't be a commie; protect corporate profits and executive salaries.  

  •  Daddy Koch made his money working in the Soviet (0+ / 0-)

    Union. That would make Chuck and Dave, Uncle Joe Stalin's Manchurian Billionaires. And their flunky, Richard Fink, is part of their Five-Year Plan.

  •  Fascism?! (2+ / 0-)
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    FASCISM is what the Koch brothers bring to the political table!

    YES, Boys and Girls, what again is the CLASSICAL definition of "Fascism?"

    YES, that's CORRECT! It is the confluence of private and state power, and that's EXACTLY what the Koches are hoping to buy with their hundreds of millions of dollars!

    Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

    by RTIII on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:24:55 PM PDT

  •  Of course the Koches know a LOT about Nazis, (0+ / 0-)

    ...they're doing the very best they can do to follow the Nazi play book!

    Yep, they're paying VERY close attention to how to properly wield propaganda, and how to influence politicians and the people against their own best interests!

    Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

    by RTIII on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:27:00 PM PDT

  •  The REAL "Job Creator" is the CUSTOMER (3+ / 0-)
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    And we don't have enough of those!

    If people made more money, they'd have more money to spend!

    Middle and lower income people SPEND all their money, they don't hoard it. So, putting money in THEIR hands increases prosperity for EVERYONE including the rich idiots.

    Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

    by RTIII on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:30:12 PM PDT

  •  Oddly enough, the definition of fascism attributed (3+ / 0-)
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    to Mussolini best describes the Kochs' view on government:

    The State, working hand in hand with the State's corporations, is the essence of fascism.
    Hard to argue with that.

    Form follows function -- Louis Sullivan

    by Spud1 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 05:51:39 PM PDT

    •  YAY (0+ / 0-)

      someone else has gotten the classic definition correctly!

      (Someone else posted an incorrect / incomplete definition - IDK where they came up with it but said it was only right wing.)

      Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

      by RTIII on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:24:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Nazis + Fink = The Man In The High Castle? (0+ / 0-)

    Am I the only one to see the surname "Fink" in a story about post-WWII nazism and immediately think of the classic Philip K Dick novel The Man In The High Castle?  

    Anyone?

    Anyone?

    Ayn Rand is the L. Ron Hubbard of conservatives.

    by PatrioticallyIncorrect on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:14:11 PM PDT

  •  The Koch Brother's (1+ / 0-)
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    grand strategist is nothing but a mediocre hypocritical propagandist. The reality of modern economics is that consumers drive the economy and putting more money in the hands of consumers increases economic activity. An increase in economic activity results in an increase in wages.

    The goal of the Koch roaches is a what Adam Smith called an association of masters the purpose of which is to have government pass laws to prevent an association of laborers. Smith was absolutely against this and actually favored associations of laborers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering. If you like hypocrite Obama, you'll love hypocrite Hillary.

    by harris stein on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:17:45 PM PDT

    •  Oops! (0+ / 0-)

      Small error there...

      "An increase in economic activity results in an increase in wages."
      Nope, sure doesn't!

      The statistics of what has happened in the USA since WWII shows that statement is false, especially since 1980. It results in an increase in profits / wealth creation, but where that wealth creation goes can be either workers OR "owners."

      Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

      by RTIII on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:26:43 PM PDT

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      •  What you are pointing out is the (0+ / 1-)
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        fault of government policies which have been instituted by  corporate elites who are using economic power to influence policy. Adam Smith was absolutely against this. This is where he faulted government and saw it as a useless interloper and even in some cases evil. This is also where the tea bagger train falls off the tracks as economic liberty in the tea bagger reality only leads to greater political power for the corporate elites without constitutional change making lobbying by corporations illegal.

        Maybe if you actually read instead of just looking at the pictures you can comprehend the truth.

        Knowledge is Power. Ignorance is not bliss, it is suffering. If you like hypocrite Obama, you'll love hypocrite Hillary.

        by harris stein on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 08:50:31 AM PDT

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        •  How rude! (0+ / 0-)

          "Maybe if you actually read instead of just looking at the pictures you can comprehend the truth."

          Your failure to comprehend the reality we are experiencing here apparently has you looking to the past instead of the present. You spit out false statements and then retreat to some historical figure you apparently revere as if the past has final answers and complete analysis for all time. Maybe if you got your head out of your as and looked at the world as it really is you'd be able to conjure up a few true statements about the world.

          You might also consider your failure to comprehend the world as it really is as your problem and not decide it's cause to insult people - after all, most of them are probably smarter than you are.

          Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

          by RTIII on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 11:02:43 AM PDT

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  •  Raising the minimum wage is like Nazi, Germany . . (0+ / 0-)

    And yet policemen murdering people with impunity and having over two million of our citizens in prison is not?

    Germans get really offended when people make Hitler comparisons. And no, they haven't started gassing black and poor people in concentration camps here.

    Yet.

    It is 2014. We are 13 years into this fascism. The Nazi Party lasted 25 years. The concentration camps appeared 13 years into the Nazi party's formation. And letting Darren Wilson off the hook will be Rodney King times 100, giving them ultimately the reason they need to declare a state of martial law.

    Don't say you weren't warned.

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    Nazis you've lost the argument

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 08:20:58 PM PDT

  •  Uh--do they say anything about Hitler's military (0+ / 0-)

    spending? And aggressive warmaking? And torture? And bigotry? And appeals to traditional values?

  •  No way. (0+ / 0-)

    Respecting the Koch brothers is far closer to Nazi Germany.  Raising the minimum wage has no connection to Nazi policy.

  •  I for one turn right off when I hear someone drag (0+ / 0-)

    Hitler or Nazis into a conversation unless it is thougtful and has a real context.  This minimum wage stuff associated with facism, Hitler and Nazis is dumb, ignorant on its face and if I were the Kochs I'd fire this guy for gross incompetence.

  •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

    Putting more money into the economy is bad?  This fink is a lunatic.

  •  When in reality, (0+ / 0-)

    giving to billionaires is like Nazi Germany.

    After all, Hitler wasn't a poor person Making minimum wage now was he.

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