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Rep. Ron Paul

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 09:43:29 PM PDT

Having seen the diary of another proud of their Congressional Rep., I would like to offer another Republican Rep we should be proud of (he even voted against the initial Resolution supporting the war), and that is Congressman Ron Paul.  

Ron Paul is not, and I repeat, not, my House Rep., he is not even from my state.  In fact, I don't even agree with at least half, if not more, of his viewpoints; but I respect his viewpoints as a counter-argument, the traditional right versus left sort of thing, all based upon Constitutional issues.

The one place that Ron Paul and I have seemingly always agreed on, is the Iraq War.  I have also grown to admire his passionate regard for  individual rights afforded under the U.S. Constitution...I believe a review of past votes might reflect his disapproval of such things as the Patriot Act...and even the more recent Military Tribunal Act (the elimination of Habeas Corpus...)

Those Crazy Republicans

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 09:15:49 PM PDT

In the days leading up to the vote on the non-binding House Resolution opposing the escalation in Iraq, we heard Republican after Republican ignore what the resolution said;  that Congress and the American people support the troops, while disapproving of Bush's escalation.  They instead chose to parrot their pre-approved talking points (PDF), to avoid actually discussing the escalation and to scare the bejeebus out of the American people.

But of course, a few Republicans managed to go above and beyond the call of crazy in their effort to stop any criticism of George W. Bush. There was Rep. Virgil Goode, who continued his Muslimphobia by saying:

In no way do I want to aid and assist the Islamic jihadists who want the crescent and star to wave over the Capitol of the United States and over the White House of this country. I fear that radical Muslims who want to control the Middle East and ultimately the world would love to see "In God We Trust" stricken from our money and replaced with "In Muhammad We Trust."

Yes, because that's what supporting the resolution would lead to. And then there was Rep. Don "Hang 'Em High" Young, who expressed his opposition to the resolution by invoking the name of Abraham Lincoln and declaring:

Congressmen who willfully take action during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs, and should be arrested, exiled or hanged. - Abraham Lincoln Washington Times Employee

Even when Young was informed that Abraham Lincoln never said any such thing, he refused to retract his statement, although he did say through a spokesman that he didn't really want to see anyone strung up.  Big of him, eh?

And on the Senate side, as the Democratic majority once more tries to overcome GOP blockage of an up-or-down vote on their own resolution, Joe Lieberman, a Republican in all ways that matter, declared his opposition:

Yes, we should vigorously debate and deliberate. That is not only our right, it is our responsibility. But at this difficult juncture, at this moment when a real battle, a critical battle is being waged in Baghdad, as we face a brutal enemy who attacked us on 9/11 and wants to do it again, let us not just shout at one another, but let us reach out to one another to find that measure of unity that can look beyond today’s disagreements and secure the nation’s future and the future of all who will follow us as Americans.

Two questions for Mr. Lieberman come to mind;  When did the Shi'ia and Sunnis who are fighting in their own civil war become responsible for 9/11, and when would it be a good time to debate and deliberate a four year old quagmire?

And finally there was Senator Jeff Sessions, who while voicing his opposition to the Senate resolution, managed to express the most asinine reason ever for invading Iraq in the first place:

But for most of us, I think it was a strategic American decision based on a fundamental question, were we going to give up, were we going to let the embargo collapse, and would Saddam Hussein be able to continue to say, and actually say with conviction and some honesty, that he had won the 1991 Gulf War...he said he won the war.

What this has to do with supporting or opposing the escalation isn't clear, but someone needs to ask the Senator if making sure Saddam couldn't say he won 16 years ago was really worth hundreds of thousands of lives.  

Crazy.

White House Reaction To The Anti-Escalation Resolution

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 03:48:14 PM PDT

In the wake of the passage of the non-binding House Resolution opposing Bush's escalation in Iraq, the reaction from the White House was predictable:

The House of Representatives has passed a resolution expressing disapproval of President Bush's plan to send reinforcements to Iraq. This plan enjoys the support of the Iraqi government and U.S. military leadership...

The President believes that the Congress should provide the full funding and flexibility our Armed Forces need to succeed in their mission to protect our country.

Well then, as long as the Iraqi government, the military leadership that Bush installed after removing the leadership that disagreed with the escalation, and Barney support the plan, never mind what Congress or the American people think.  In other words, fund it and shut up.

Earlier today, during the White House press briefing, Tony Snow had this to say:

Again, members -- it's going to be interesting, because members of Congress have taken their own gamble here. They're gambling on failure -- some members, at least.

Well of course they are, because as Snow pointed out, when the escalation succeeds, these jokers aren't going to vote on a resolution that says they are wrong.  After all:

...a lot of the things that people have been citing as benchmarks are taking place. And, therefore, it is important to keep an eye on the realities on the ground.

And what are some of those realities?  Only two of the three promised Iraqi Brigades have arrived in Baghdad and their readiness is already being questioned, the so-called Iraqi-led offensive is anything but, and in the first two weeks of February, 48 U.S. troops and 879 Iraqis have been killed.  And what about the reality that says 60% of the American people oppose the escalation and want a timetable for withdrawal set?  Here's Snow ignoring that reality:

Q The source says that that -- the American public actually has seen what's going on as a Civil War, and says that that places the White House at the wrong end of public opinion.

MR. SNOW: The President understands public opinion and public impatience. The President also sees intelligence every day, and he has to assess what the long-term costs are going to be...Let me add further -- when you're talking about bringing forces in -- but it is an interesting switch. So what you're saying is, it's no longer support the troops, it's just get them out.

Q The question is, does the debate about supporting the troops obscure the real debate that Americans want to have, which is, increase the number there, or start to bring them home?

MR. SNOW: You know what, we'd love to bring them home. We'd love to bring them home. We'd love to -- no, let me continue. But what you have is somebody framing a debate as if the rest of the world didn't exist...

Q His point was that, yes, they understand all that.

MR. SNOW: No, the source -- no, the source's point is to ignore all that and not --

Q Well, actually, I had the conversation with the source, so the source's point was -- the source's point was, yes, they're aware, Americans are aware of all of that; they're looking at it and saying, you know what, we still want to bring the troops home.

MR. SNOW: You know what, the President -- the President understands that to operate under those circumstances is to invite bloodshed on a level that is absolutely appalling, not only in Iraq, but possibly in the United States of America...but the President also is absolutely determined to keep this country safe and do what's best for Americans. That is his job.

And so the message to Congress is to shut up and fund Bush's war, and for the American people, to shut up, let Bush protect you...and go shopping.

 

LiveBlogging: Judgement Day (Part III)

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 11:31:49 AM PDT

This is it. The last day; the final push. Today the House finishes their debates and votes on whether or not they support the president's latest attempt to salvage his legacy escalation.

The pattern, so far, has been familiar: the Democrats have used logic, facts and stats while the Republicans use insults and try to tug at America's heartstrings.

Still it's fun theater. Why? Because we and the world get to see the Republicans for what they really are.

It's so much easier to make a prepared speech a week or month in advance, but most of these guys are going off the fly and that's why I think our side is winning the argument. Democrats have been collecting information for years on anything and everything touched by this war. The Republicans have gotten lazy, and dependent on the White house for intel, which is why their debates sound strangely familiar.

LiveBlogging: Judgement Day (Part II)

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 09:14:59 AM PDT

This is it. The last day; the final push. Today the House finishes their debates and votes on whether or not they support the president's latest attempt to salvage his legacy escalation.

The pattern, so far, has been familiar: the Democrats have used logic, facts and stats while the Republicans use insults and try to tug at America's heartstrings.

Still it's fun theater. Why? Because we and the world get to see the Republicans for what they really are.

It's so much easier to make a prepared speech a week or month in advance, but most of these guys are going off the fly and that's why I think our side is winning the argument. Democrats have been collecting information for years on anything and everything touched by this war. The Republicans have gotten lazy, and dependent on the White house for intel, which is why their debates sound strangely familiar.

From Resolution 63 to War With Iran: Kucinich Explains It

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 05:56:53 AM PDT

As I get ready for work in the morning, I listen to either the House or the Senate on C-Span.  Yesterday the House opened its day with one-minute speeches about the surge—alternating pro and contra.  One member got up and said something so stunningly logical it froze me.  Because I was in another room, I didn’t even know it was Dennis Kucinich until I accessed the Congressional Record today.

Haven’t you been wondering all week why Bush and his anonymous henchmen are coming forward now with flimsy, unsubstantiated evidence of Iranian arms in Iraq?  Kucinich offers a lucid and very persuasive reason:  Bush must produce something now, because the Congressional debates on war resolutions are occurring now.  He is laying the groundwork to invoke a specific section of the 1973 War Powers Resolution and thus to bypass whatever Congress resolves.

Please read Kucinich's remarks below the fold.  They are amazing.

LiveBlogging: Judgement Day (House of Reps)

Fri Feb 16, 2007 at 05:43:48 AM PDT

This is it. The last day; the final push. Today the House finishes their debates and votes on whether or not they support the president's latest attempt to salvage his legacy escalation.

The pattern, so far, has been familiar: the Democrats have used logic, facts and stats while the Republicans use insults and try to tug at America's heartstrings.

Still it's fun theater. Why? becasue we and the world get to see the Republicans for what they really are.

AK Rep Don Young Just Called for Dems' Execution! [w/poll]

Thu Feb 15, 2007 at 05:31:47 PM PDT

I'm not making this up! Alaska Representative Don Young (of Bridge to Nowhere and Don Young's Way fame) just effectively called for the execution of any representative who votes for the Iraq War Resolution tomorrow in a speech on the floor of the house today during the marathon debate on the resolution.

Here is what he said:

Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled, or hanged.

He attributed this quote to Abraham Lincoln, without providing any reference to where he got this quote or when and where Lincoln supposedly said it.

There's a problem with this quote, though (among several): Lincoln never said it, or anything remotely close to it!!! Think about it! A Republican representative just lied on the floor of the house and called for his opponents' execution!

More below the fold.

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Liveblogging:  Iraq Resolution Hearing

Wed Feb 14, 2007 at 08:58:27 AM PDT

Continuation of Iraq Non-Binding resolution hearing.  You can listen on C-Span2 at:

C-Span 2 hearing UPDATE:  this is the Sanate hearing.

CSPAN is carrying it at:

Originally scheduled for 10Eastern, now re-scheduled for after thePresidential address.  Currently CSpan-2 is saying High Noon Eastern Time.C-Span 1 is carrying it instead

Memo to AP: 1) Dems in Charge 2) Boehner Apology?

Wed Feb 14, 2007 at 04:27:17 AM PDT

For the past 4 years, enablers of the right-wing media defended the GOP-centric framing of print, punditry and the like with the excuse: "the Republicans are in charge- it's most insightful to present things from their perspective."

Today with the Democrats are in charge, how does the AP frame the House debate on the so-called "surge" in Iraq? With an even more GOP-framed, GOP-centric article, of course, than their ususal pander.

"Fair Use" perhaps precludes me dissecting this article as fully as I would like. Nonetheless, I will offer an extended outline of the article below.

Keep in mind this article is NOT a "companion article" on the Republican side of the issue. Instead, this is AP's only article on the resolution, to be taken as definitive and objective.

Also, you might ask when the media will ask John Boehner to apologize for saying something 100 times as sorry as anything Barack Obama has ever said. Don't hold your breath, though.

The Way GOP Debates is Making it Worse

Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 12:52:48 PM PDT

I’ve been listening to the debate in the House on the resolution against escalation in Iraq. The conservatives are sounding very scary.

OMG!!! GOP votes for Military Dictatorship!

Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 11:45:00 AM PDT

http://news.yahoo.com/...

Here's the article, check it out

I'm going to keep this short just to get this out there.

Liveblogging II - Congress/Iraq debate

Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 09:55:26 AM PDT

Original was posted here:

Procedural vote, Boehner/Pelosi

Thanks to Omen and Ellicat

Link to CSpan for cubewellers:  CSpan link

Iraq: Congress Saying "No" to President Bush (First Time But Not the Last)

Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 07:26:32 AM PDT

UPDATE: Here is the video of my speech:

In a few minutes, I will be heading over to the House chamber to begin the debate on House Concurrent Resolution 63 – the resolution opposing President Bush’s planned escalation of the war in Iraq. We will try to post video of my speech on the floor later this afternoon, but before I go, I wanted to share a few thoughts with you regarding the debate that’s about to take place.

House of Rep: Surge Resolution Open Thread (LIVE)

Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 07:03:35 AM PDT

OK: even before they decied to go into debate, I've heard two Republicans accuse Democrats who support the resolution to disagree with President Bush of "staying the course."

Another Republican called Democrats the "UNDemocratic Party."

Are you kidding me?

This is an open thread for the debate.

Be It Resolved

Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 09:11:57 PM PDT

Here is the text of the resolution being debated in the House of Representatives regarding Bush's "surge" of troops in Baghdad:

Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), that —

       (1) Congress and the American people will continue to support and protect the members of the United States Armed Forces who are serving or who have served bravely and honorably in Iraq; and

       (2) Congress disapproves of the decision of President George W. Bush announced on January 10, 2007, to deploy more than 20,000 additional United States combat troops to Iraq.

this is 1937-1938 nazi germany coming - this cannot wait! [house hearing LIVE!]

Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 07:08:21 PM PDT

[UPDATE: hearing is JUST now rerunning on cspa - 11:40pm est/8:40pst]

the above astounding statement was made by REPUBLICAN representative frank wolf!

less than 30 minutes ago in front of the house rules committee   wolf made his impassioned plea for the rules committee to also commit for consideration a newly offered resolution asking that the iraqi study group be implemented as the plan to extricate us from iraq.  

rep. wolf, rep. mike pence and another rep (whose name i missed due to the stunned reaction to rep. wolf) all indicated they WOULD vote for the democratic resolution but actively plead for the inclusion of a vote for the proposed republican isg resolution as well. [apparently this was JUST brought before the committee now.]

hearing a republican declare with breaking voice that this country is at the same stage of nazi germany (his words) in 1937-1938 due to the division in this country is perhaps the most frightening statement i have ever heard!  as for rep. slaughter's response, please go below the fold...

House Takes Up Iraq Resolutions

Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 09:07:54 AM PDT

Debate starts tomorrow on Iraq resolutions in the House of Representatives. Each representative has been allotted five minutes to speak during the next three days, with a vote coming Friday.

The Republicans think they can win the war of words in this debate:

Democrats will file a nonbinding resolution against the Bush plan while Republicans will try to broaden the dispute and seed doubt in the Democratic approach. Although Senate Republicans were able to block debate on a resolution condemning Bush's war policies last week, it will be much easier for Democrats in the House to bring a measure to the floor.

The GOP, whose members have conceded they are likely to lose, is treating the debate like a mini-political campaign, deploying a rapid-response team to counter Democrats' statements, aggressively trying to get its leaders on television and radio, and creating a "resource center" off the House floor where members can fill their arms with maps, research material, videos or other visual aids to use during their floor time.

Too bad they couldn't put that much planning and forethought into the actual war in Iraq.

Update: The Democrat's resolution is here.


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