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5 p.m. PDT Daily Open Obama V.P. Thread #72: New Series Round Seven (w/poll)

Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 05:00:25 PM PDT

Welcome back for more speculation! Today continues the new final series of possibilities for Obama's v.p.

This series began with a new top 14 list of names I considered most likely to be named Obama's v.p. running mate, and we'll eliminate the bottom vote-getter each day until there is a winner, or a real-life winner is named by Obama. Starting today, candidates will be listed in order of votes from the previous poll, from most to least, so we'll have some idea of preference in this thread's voting should Obama decide before there is a series winner. Sens. Evan Bayh (IN) and Jack Reed (RI) were eliminated in the previous round.

Please discuss any v.p. candidates in the comments. The most correct format would be to state their name, unless you have further comments. I'm happy to hear all ideas in this open thread, and I'm no official gatekeeper, so play nice.

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Poll

Who should be Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate?

32%69 votes
17%38 votes
16%35 votes
12%27 votes
11%24 votes
5%11 votes
4%9 votes

| 213 votes | Vote | Results

5 p.m. PDT Daily Open Obama V.P. Thread #71: New Series Round Six (w/poll)

Mon Aug 18, 2008 at 05:03:10 PM PDT

Welcome back for more speculation! Today continues the new final series of possibilities for Obama's v.p.

This series began with a new top 14 list of names I considered most likely to be named Obama's v.p. running mate, and we'll eliminate the bottom vote-getter each day until there is a winner, or a real-life winner is named by Obama. Starting today, candidates will be listed in order of votes from the previous poll, from most to least, so we'll have some idea of preference in this thread's voting should Obama decide before there is a series winner. Gov. Tim Kaine (VA) was eliminated in the previous round.

Please discuss any v.p. candidates in the comments. The most correct format would be to state their name, unless you have further comments. I'm happy to hear all ideas in this open thread, and I'm no official gatekeeper, so play nice.

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Poll

Who should be Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate?

27%49 votes
18%33 votes
17%31 votes
11%21 votes
3%6 votes
6%12 votes
3%6 votes
6%11 votes
6%12 votes

| 181 votes | Vote | Results

5 p.m. PDT Daily Open Obama V.P. Thread #70: New Series Round Five (w/poll)

Sun Aug 17, 2008 at 05:02:11 PM PDT

Welcome back for more speculation! Today continues the new final series of possibilities for Obama's v.p.

This series began with a new top 14 list of names I considered most likely to be named Obama's v.p. running mate, and we'll eliminate the bottom vote-getter each day until there is a winner, or a real-life winner is named by Obama. Starting today, candidates will be listed in order of votes from the previous poll, from most to least, so we'll have some idea of preference in this thread's voting should Obama decide before there is a series winner. Fmr. Sen. Bob Graham (FL) was eliminated in the previous round.

Please discuss any v.p. candidates in the comments. The most correct format would be to state their name, unless you have further comments. I'm happy to hear all ideas in this open thread, and I'm no official gatekeeper, so play nice.

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Poll

Who should be Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate?

34%96 votes
19%55 votes
12%35 votes
9%26 votes
3%10 votes
2%8 votes
3%11 votes
3%10 votes
6%17 votes
4%12 votes

| 280 votes | Vote | Results

5 p.m. PDT Daily Open Obama V.P. Thread #69: New Series Round Four (w/poll)

Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 04:34:04 PM PDT

Welcome back for more speculation! Today continues the new final series of possibilities for Obama's v.p.

This series began with a new top 14 list of names I consider most likely to be named Obama's v.p. running mate, and we'll eliminate the bottom vote-getter each day until there is a winner, or a real-life winner is named by Obama. Starting today, candidates will be listed in order of votes from the previous poll, from most to least, so we'll have some idea of preference in this thread's voting should Obama decide before there is a series winner. Sen. Claire McCaskill (MO) was eliminated in the previous round.

Please discuss any v.p. candidates in the comments. The most correct format would be to state their name, unless you have further comments. I'm happy to hear all ideas in this open thread, and I'm no official gatekeeper, so play nice.

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Poll

Who should be Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate?

43%83 votes
14%28 votes
10%20 votes
4%9 votes
6%12 votes
5%10 votes
3%7 votes
3%6 votes
3%7 votes
0%0 votes
3%7 votes

| 189 votes | Vote | Results

5 p.m. PDT Daily Open Obama V.P. Thread #68: New Series Round Three (w/poll)

Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 05:11:10 PM PDT

Welcome back for more speculation! Today continues the new final series of possibilities for Obama's v.p.

This series began with a new top 14 list of names I consider most likely to be named Obama's v.p. running mate, and we'll eliminate the bottom vote-getter each day until there is a winner, or a real-life winner is named by Obama. Starting today, candidates will be listed in order of votes from the previous poll, from most to least, so we'll have some idea of preference in this thread's voting should Obama decide before there is a series winner. Sen. Sherrod Brown (OH) and Fmr. Sen. Sam Nunn (GA) were eliminated in the previous round.

Please discuss any v.p. candidates in the comments. The most correct format would be to state their name, unless you have further comments. I'm happy to hear all ideas in this open thread, and I'm no official gatekeeper, so play nice.

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Poll

Who should be Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate?

39%81 votes
19%39 votes
11%23 votes
2%5 votes
2%6 votes
2%6 votes
5%11 votes
3%7 votes
1%4 votes
4%10 votes
0%1 votes
5%11 votes

| 204 votes | Vote | Results

5 p.m. PDT Daily Open Obama V.P. Thread #67: New Series Round Two (w/poll)

Thu Aug 14, 2008 at 04:59:12 PM PDT

Welcome back for more speculation! Today continues the new final series of possibilities for Obama's v.p.

This series began last time with a new top 14 list of names I consider most likely to be named Obama's v.p. running mate, and we'll eliminate the bottom vote-getter each day until there is a winner, or a real-life winner is named by Obama. Starting today, candidates will be listed in order of votes from the previous poll, from most to least, so we'll have some idea of preference in this thread's voting should Obama decide before there is a series winner. Sen. Jeff Bingaman (NM) was eliminated in the first round.

Please discuss any v.p. candidates in the comments. The most correct format would be to state their name, unless you have further comments. I'm happy to hear all ideas in this open thread, and I'm no official gatekeeper, so play nice.

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Poll

Who should be Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate?

42%104 votes
20%49 votes
11%27 votes
4%11 votes
2%5 votes
4%10 votes
2%5 votes
2%6 votes
2%5 votes
0%2 votes
0%2 votes
1%4 votes
1%4 votes
4%11 votes

| 245 votes | Vote | Results

5 p.m. PDT Daily Open Obama V.P. Thread #39: Military Veterans (w/poll)

Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 05:00:01 PM PDT

Welcome back for more speculation! Today we'll be polling the the top military veteran possibilities for Obama's v.p. This includes all candidates who served in uniform (service branch is indicated after names in poll), not including state chief executives, who are commanders-in-chief of their states' National Guards, but who will be considered separately.

I'm still alternating "break-out" polls with the top 14 average vote-getting candidates in these threads' polls, averaging in each day's votes as we go. I'm going to do the top possibilities experienced with foreign policy/national security issues and governors/former governors before cutting 14 names to narrow the field to just two tiers--that's if Obama hasn't decided by then, of course. I'll reset the averages then, too. So that would be four more threads away from today.

Please discuss any v.p. candidates in the comments. The correct format would be to simply state their name, unless you have further comments, in which case, "I believe ___ ___ should be Obama's v.p. running mate because..." "Oh my God, where's Jane/Johnny Politician?!" would be a bit alarmist, don't you think? I'm sure they're fine. I'm happy to hear all ideas, and of course I'm no official gatekeeper, so play nice.

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Poll

Who should be Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate?

37%42 votes
0%1 votes
1%2 votes
7%9 votes
7%9 votes
0%1 votes
1%2 votes
0%1 votes
2%3 votes
4%5 votes
2%3 votes
25%29 votes
0%0 votes
5%6 votes

| 113 votes | Vote | Results

5 p.m. PDT Daily Open Obama V.P. Thread #34 (w/poll)

Sun Jun 22, 2008 at 05:00:02 PM PDT

Welcome back for more veep speculation! Last thread (two days ago) we considered the top Southern candidates. Averaging in those votes yielded a slightly different top 14 average vote-getters overall as the thread before that--namely, Fmr. Sen. Bob Graham (FL) dropped down a few spots, and Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg moved up into the top tier--so we'll consider this new top 14 in today's poll.

I'm thinking of running some more "break-out" polls in the coming days, alternating with the top 14 candidates, averaging in each day's votes as we go.

Please discuss any v.p. candidates in the comments. The correct format would be to simply state their name, unless you have further comments, in which case, "I believe ___ ___ should be Obama's v.p. running mate because..." "Oh my God, where's Johnny Politician?!" would be a bit alarmist, don't you think? I'm sure they're fine. I'm happy to hear all ideas, and of course I'm no official gatekeeper, so play nice.

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Poll

Who should be Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate?

7%24 votes
18%58 votes
15%49 votes
3%12 votes
4%15 votes
3%11 votes
4%15 votes
1%4 votes
3%11 votes
4%15 votes
2%9 votes
10%32 votes
10%33 votes
2%8 votes
5%16 votes

| 312 votes | Vote | Results

5 p.m. PDT Daily Open Obama V.P. Thread #26: Third Tier (w/poll)

Tue Jun 10, 2008 at 05:01:12 PM PDT

Welcome back for more v.p. speculation! Sorry I missed yesterday, but my car is now smog-certified....Big news today ("big" for me and nerds) from MSNBC's First Read about some names being discussed. As promised, since the top 14 candidates is unchanged from the last thread I ran, today's poll delves deep into the third tier of vote-getters and adds two new names not yet tested here but mentioned in the MSNBC report, former NATO Commander Gen. (Ret.) James L. Jones (MO?) and Sen. Bill Nelson (FL), along with new entrant Fmr. Sen. Max Cleland (GA). Best of luck to them....

Next thread I'll run the complete second tier, then rotate around again with the top 14 average vote-getters figuring in votes from today and next time.

Please discuss any v.p. candidates in the comments. The correct format would be to simply state their name, unless you have further comments, in which case, "I believe ___ ___ should be Obama's v.p. running mate because..." "Oh my God, where's Johnny Politician?!" would be a bit alarmist, don't you think? I'm sure they're fine. I'm happy to hear all ideas, and of course I'm no official gatekeeper, so play nice.

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Poll

Who should be Barack Obama's vice presidential running mate?

1%2 votes
9%12 votes
0%0 votes
3%5 votes
4%6 votes
7%10 votes
1%2 votes
3%5 votes
1%2 votes
4%6 votes
4%6 votes
11%15 votes
1%2 votes
0%1 votes
43%56 votes

| 130 votes | Vote | Results

Petraeus admits he misled Congress

Wed Apr 09, 2008 at 02:02:00 PM PDT

In his testimony to Congress on Sept. 10, 2007, Gen. David Petraeus used a flagrantly misleading slide to depict how violence in Baghdad had changed over time. Petraeus’ report to Congress, you’ll recall, was oral rather than in writing; the only points of reference he provided were this set of slides (PDF). The slide in question (on page 4) misrepresented, by minimizing, the very considerable extent of ethnic/sectarian cleansing that had occurred during the "surge". I exposed the falsification here on the day he testified.

It was hard to avoid the conclusion that Petraeus or his staff had deliberately falsified that one critical slide, especially given that a similar but unfalsified slide had appeared in a report that was issued only a few days earlier. Although McClatchy picked up and reported upon the falsification, as far as I know neither the Pentagon nor Gen. Petraeus ever owned up to misleading Congress. It should have been a major scandal, because it speaks to the question of Petraeus' credibility about the alleged success of the "surge". But instead the falsification received relatively little attention in the traditional media.

Yesterday, Petraeus showed another slide of changing violence in Baghdad (PDF). This version is considerably more accurate than the earlier slide. Indeed to select one example for illustration, it’s immediately apparent that Petraeus’ current depiction of the state of Baghdad in December 2006 has changed since his report to Congress last September. Petraeus has quietly corrected the false slide he showed to Congress in September.

Hence with this correction Petraeus has tacitly demonstrated that he knows he misled Congress in his September 2007 report.

 title=  title=Here (on the far right) is the version he showed Congress last September depicting Baghdad in Dec. 2006, and (to the left of that) is the map he showed Congress yesterday. Blue zones depict majority Sunni neighborhoods; green zones are majority Shiite neighborhoods; and brown zones are mixed Shiite/Sunni neighborhoods.

The map from yesterday appears to be accurate. In any case, the sectarian make up of the neighborhoods is different from the inaccurate map shown last September. Notice for example that yesterday's version has a large mixed (brown) neighborhood in the south of the city, whereas the falsified slide on the right showed that neighborhood as majority Sunni.

 title=Why in the world would Petraeus have showed a falsified slide to Congress last September? The reason easily can be inferred, I think, from the map he showed last fall of Baghdad as of September 2007. Compare that to his map (above, right) of the city in December 2006. The sectarian make up of the city was essentially identical in the two slides. No coincidence, that. The sectarian make up of Baghdad remained static in each of Petraeus' violence-maps spanning the period Dec. 2006 to Sept. 2007. If you were a member of Congress last September, you would have concluded from that set of maps that ethnic/sectarian cleansing had stopped during that 10 month period.

The opposite was true, of course. Baghdad neighborhoods had suffered horrific cleansing during the period of the "surge". It was an enormous political embarrassment for the Bush administration. As I remarked last September while exposing the falsification:

The maps falsify one of the most delicate of issues: The failure of the "surge" to stem ethnic/sectarian cleansing of Baghdad. If that information were brought to the fore, it would call into question the claims by Petraeus and other spokespeople for the Bush administration that the "surge" is responsible for an alleged drop in violence in Baghdad. If there is any such drop, it may be due in large part to the success of Shia attempts to drive Sunnis from their homes and into exile.

 title=How can we be sure that the falsification was deliberate? Take a look at this illustration from page 34 of the Report of the Independent Commission on the Security Forces of Iraq (PDF). The Commission, headed by Gen. James Jones USMC (Ret.), released its report four days before Petraeus' testimony, on Sept. 6, 2007. These violence-maps are similar in format to those of Petraeus. However, the Jones maps honestly represent the changing face of Baghdad as sectarian cleansing proceeds over time, in contrast to the falsified maps of Petraeus.

It's clear that both sets of slides originated inside the Pentagon. The graphics of Petraeus' slides have obvious affinities to those in the Pentagon quarterly reports on Iraq, for example. To observe that, one need only compare slide 2 of Petraeus' September report with the same illustration at page 16 of the Pentagon's Dec. 2007 Quarterly Report.

It's hard to avoid the conclusion that the violence maps from last September were produced in an above-board way by the Pentagon, and used as received by the Jones Commission. But by contrast, Petraeus or his staff tweaked those Pentagon maps to eliminate the signs of sectarian cleansing. After the falsification was exposed, perhaps Petraeus decided not to try that game a second time.

 title=It's far from clear whether the slides Petraeus showed Congress this time are entirely reliable. His violence map for March 2008 shows a reversal of sectarian cleansing in certain neighborhoods since last August. For example, in central Baghdad there appear to be many more mixed neighborhoods now in what used to be predominantly Shiite-controlled areas. That strikes me as somewhat dubious, though not impossible. Others who are more familiar with the current ethnic mix in Baghdad might wish to take a close look at the current map presented by Gen. Petraeus, particularly given that his maps last September were demonstrably false.

In any case, the most important point is that Gen. Petraeus has essentially admitted now that his presentation to Congress contained false information. He did so quietly, however, rather than forthrightly. Will he come forward and explain why that information was false?

Busted: Petraeus Caught Tampering With Evidence

Thu Sep 13, 2007 at 03:59:49 PM PDT

I hesistate to be too strident here. I was angry about Move-On's newspaper ad on Monday which I thought was in poor taste and was politically counterproductive. But frankly, this piece of evidence Matt Yglesias has turned up about Petraeus's testimony and the way in which he subtly - but significantly - altered maps to make an argument reflects very badly on the General's credibility and needs to highlighted.

The Season of Reports

Thu Sep 06, 2007 at 01:28:29 AM PDT

With the suspense building to a fever pitch on just how much progress the administration will lie about in their upcoming report on the "surge" in Iraq, two other reports have come along that are really stealing their thunder.  First was the GAO Report that said Iraq had met only 3 of the 18 required benchmarks, followed by the Jones Report, which described the Iraqi Army as unable to "meaningfully contribute," and the Iraqi Police forces and Interior Ministry as, "riddled with sectarianism and corruption."  

So, how does the administration counteract this bad news?  Talking points, of course.  First, from the Pentagon:

MR. MORRELL: Let me first start off by saying that, you know, there are a number of reports...coming out. It seems to be the season of reports. We believe that the American people are most interested in the assessment of the commanders on the ground, so that very shortly they will hear from General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker, who know better than anybody else what the current state of affairs is on the ground in Iraq.

And from the White House:

MR. SNOW: There are a number of reports coming out...It's a season of reports. But we are certainly looking forward to hearing from the General who is in charge of overall operations and the Ambassador who works there every day, the folks who have a real grasp of ground truth. All these reports obviously are interesting.

So, what have we learned here?  It's the season of reports. Disregard the ones that forecast nothing but doom and gloom, because after all, only Gen. Petraeus, Ambassador Crocker, and of course George Bush have, "a real grasp," on the truth.  And Congress?  Just write another check for $200 billion, shut up and continue to ignore your lying eyes.    

Semi-Fictional Iraqi military branches are making "progress"

Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 05:13:45 PM PDT

This would get filed in the Not laughing any longer folder, except my disk space has been exceeded.

A report to Congress by the Independent Commission on Security Forces in Iraq, obtained today by CNN, demonstrates how far backwards the supposedly serious people in Washington will bend to avoid declaring forthrightly that the occupation of Iraq, and now the escalation, is a disaster. When the ICSFI report is released publicly tomorrow, I think we'll see that it satisfies all Parties with that on-the-one-hand-but-then-on-the-other game.

How absurd are the results? The Commission (composed mainly of retired military officers and headed by Gen. James Jones) actually claims that two virtually non-existent branches of the Iraqi military are making significant progress towards fanciful goals.

Timing (updated)

Mon Aug 27, 2007 at 11:05:32 AM PDT

Why did Alberto Gonzales announce his resignation on a Monday before a holiday weekend?

Take at the look at the September calendar; consider that Karl Rove works in the White House until the end of the week; and then start looking critically at the timing of ALL announcements from the White House in the next five weeks.


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