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PROTEST Voter Suppression of 2.5 Million Democrats by Democrats!

Mon May 12, 2008 at 02:48:09 PM PDT

We Need 2.5Million Signatures to Protest Voter Suppression!

PROTEST Voter Suppression of 2.5 Million Democrats by Democrats!

Join us as we Demand the DNC and all of the Democratic Party Super Delegates and Voters to let the Voices and Votes of our Fellow 2.5 Million Voting Democrats in Florida and Michigan be counted for the Candidate of THEIR CHOICE.

As Loyal Democrats we can not sit by if our Party turns on its own and chooses to deny the Votes of nearly 2.5 Million Democratic Voters and for their Vote not to be counted. If you sanction this blatant use of Voter Suppression any longer you leave any true Democrat no choice but to "CHANGE" their Party Affiliation from Democrat to Independent in Protest.

Only then will the Democratic Party be forced to once again earn our Votes and Loyalty; not just take us, Hillary, and especially Florida and Michigan for granted any longer.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/...

A fair solution to seating MI & FL delegates?

Mon May 12, 2008 at 01:24:30 PM PDT

The problem with the solutions proposed so far for seating Michigan and Florida delegates is continuing unfairness to large numbers of voters.

The Michigan voters who would have voted for Obama but couldn't.

The thousands of voters in both states who stayed home because they'd been told that their primary wouldn't count won't be heard, either. I've read that the turnout in Florida and Michigan failed to follow the huge surge in all the other Dem primaries.

But maybe there's a way...

Ideal solution of Michigan and Florida's delegates

Mon May 12, 2008 at 12:21:33 PM PDT

There are all sorts of scenarios, proposals and appeals concerning Florida and Michigan trying to find an acceptable compromise solution so those delegates can be seated at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, CO in Aug. 2008.

Since late March, when Sen. Obama gained a significant lead in pledged delegates, Sen. Clinton started pressing for those states delegates to be seated, even though, she said in Oct. 2007, that Michigan vote won’t count for anything.

Those Scenarios ranging from 100% penalty reduction that was imposed by DNC RBC to 50% penalty proposal to 50-50 split to 69-59 split and so on.
However aside from DNC BRC ruling, all other proposals ask for a full vote for superdelegates. That’s not fair for the voters of those two states. They will be punished for something that’s not their fault and the ones that created this mess are scattered free.

So what solution is fair, just and takes into consideration all parties involved?

Poll

How do you feel about this solution?

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| 80 votes | Vote | Results

BREAKING in Michigan

Mon May 12, 2008 at 11:58:21 AM PDT

It's on the Lansing NPR station. Barrack is coming to Michigan Wednesday.

Also just got a call from my daughter in Grand Rapids telling me she just received an email from the GR Dem Party telling her Obama would be coming to GR on Wednesday. She called them for tickets and learned he'd be there around 7 PM.

So why is this important? Think about what it may mean for Obama to be in Michigan the day after the WV primary. The answer may be on the flip side of this diary.

A Possible Solution for Michagan's delegates

Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:02:29 PM PDT

It is absolutely true that Michigan broke the rules.  It is also absolutely true that HRC chose to break with all the other candidates to remain on the ballot.  It is finally absolutely true that given the ability to spin this ad nauseum, there is a lot of pressure to "do something" about Michigan so as to not "disenfranchise" voters.

I think the solution is quite simple.

Hold another vote in Michigan,

wait for it...here it comes...

Michigan and Florida are now a General Election Issue (or: Why we should Seat Them)

Sun May 11, 2008 at 10:29:59 AM PDT

The nomination race for the Democratic party is over.  It's been over for a while, but the media and the party are starting to catch up with the reality and facts.  That being said- there's the still looming issue of Michigan and Florida out there that threatens to disrupt the convention at which we nominate one of our finest leaders in generations, and could become an issue in the general election.  For that reason, I support seating a full Florida delegation as it stands right now, and a compromise Michigan delegation that would net Hillary Clinton a few delegates, but would seat a full slate of delegates (including supers).

Bear with me below the fold...

Poll

How should the FL/MI situation be resolved?

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| 126 votes | Vote | Results

Call Hillary's Bluff: Let's Play "Clintonball!"

Sat May 10, 2008 at 09:04:25 PM PDT

Note: An earlier version of this diary was originally posted about a week ago. I've updated the math to reflect both the North Carolina/Indiana results as well as the latest SuperDelegate drip, drip, drips.

OK, so now Hillary is trying to claim that Obama needs 2,209 total delegates to win instead of 2,024.5, because of the Florida/Michigan situation, right?

Now, this has more things wrong with it than I can even begin to count, but just for a moment, let's pretend that this argument has any merit (it doesn't).

Let's do the math using Clintonball® Logic and see where it takes us, shall we?

Feldman + Wheeler + Hightower + Goodman = Amazing day!

Sat May 10, 2008 at 07:14:53 PM PDT

I just came back from the Michigan Policy Summit, and boy am I excited! The summit included keynotes by Amy Goodman of Democracy NOW! and the legendary Jim Hightower.  Also, Jeffrey Feldman and Marcy Wheeler, who have Michigan ties, were also there (check out Feldman's liveblog).

In addition, breakout sessions were held dealing with issues surrounding the environment, healthcare, and education.

Progressive Democrat Newsletter Issue 166

Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:29:46 PM PDT

Last week was the 5th Annniversary of Bush's idiotic "Mission Accomplished" moment. And John McCain tried defending Bush, blaming it on the Navy. This led to a considerable amount of attention on John McCain's own suggestion that we should stay in the Iraq Quagmire for 100 years. Howard Dean in particular slammed McCain for his willingness to sacrifice American soldiers for oil profits for 100 years. Poor John McCain didn't like having people pick on him, so John "wimp" McCain began whining and complaining about it. Well, Mr. McCain, if you can't take criticism of a stupid policy, how the hell are you going to stand up to al-Qaeda? Oh, yeah...just like Bush you plan on wasting time, money, and lives in Iraq for 100 years rather than actually fighting al-Qaeda, the people who attacked us.

Clinton Screws Granholm and Her Other Supporters in Michigan

Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:20:28 PM PDT

Michigan offered up a plan for seating its delegates:

Under that proposal -- hammered out weeks ago by Sen. Carl Levin, Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, UAW President Ron Gettelfinger and National Committeewoman Debbie Dingell -- Sen. Hillary Clinton would get 69 of the state's delegates and Sen. Barack Obama, 59.

The compromise would cut only slightly into Obama's lead. The Illinois senator has 1,846.5 delegates to Clinton's 1,696, according to the Associated Press.

The proposal also would seat the state's 29 superdelegates.

The proposal essentially splits the difference between the 73 delegates Clinton won under state party rules in the disallowed primary -- Obama had taken his name off the ballot -- and an Obama proposal to award each candidate half the delegates.

State Party Chairman Mark Brewer said he was directed during a conference call with the state party's 80-member executive committee Wednesday night to bring the plan as a challenge to the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws panel when it meets May 31 in Washington.

Brewer said support for the compromise was sizable.

Among those supporting the plan:

DNC member Joel Ferguson, a co-chairman of Clinton's Michigan campaign who said he could support the 69-59 plan.

"While we compromised on how many delegates we get, we still recognize the plurality of the election," Ferguson said, noting that proposal lets Clinton keep a 10-delegate lead in light of her primary victory.

Ferguson said Thursday that he would withdraw a plan he and DNC member Jon Ausman of Florida -- both superdelegates -- submitted to the DNC's Rules and Bylaws Committee. Their plan would have allocated the delegates based on the primary election results, but given each just half a vote. The superdelegates would have had full voting rights.

There's no way the plan would have been brought before the state central committee without the support of Governor Jennifer Granholm, a Clinton supporter.  There's no way that Granholm and Ferguson would have supported the plan unless they had been told by the Clinton campaign that it was OK to move forward with the proposal.  So that means that Hillary Clinton accepts the plan, right?

Wrong:

On Wednesday, Clinton called again for Michigan's votes to be counted -- mentioning it at an appearance in West Virginia, which holds its primary Tuesday, and, according to her staff, greeting protesters outside the DNC who were demanding the state's delegates be seated.

On Tuesday night, speaking in Indianapolis, she said: "I am running to be the president of all of America -- north, south, east and west, and everywhere in between. That's why it is so important that we count the votes of Florida and Michigan."

This means that we now have Clinton supporters who will either have to argue against the Clinton campaign at the Rules and Bylaws Committee, or they will have to retract their support for the proposal.  It's an awful place for a candidate to put her supporters.

This may have have been caused by a screw-up within the Clinton campaign, where some staff/leadership spoke with the Michigan supporters and expressed the acceptance of the compromise plan, but others within the campaign either didn't know about the plan or are sticking a shiv in others within the campaign, and in the process hurting Granholm, Ferguson et al.  Or maybe Clinton simply changed her mind, in which case the F.U. to Granholm and the Clinton supporters in Michigan is even worse.  

It's been obvious for 2 months that Clinton's only chance to become the nominee was to hang around and hope Obama blew up.  That's not going to happen, so now the only question is how the loser loses.  Screwing over your steadfast supporters in a key state isn't a good sign that she will be acknowledging her loss gracefully or quickly, and is evidence that Clinton's continued candidacy can still delay the movement toward unity and hurt our chances in November.  

Spend Your Stimulus Check On A Kossack Running For Office!

Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:00:16 PM PDT

Hello everybody.  My name is Donald Bortz.  For the past four years, DailyKos has known me as djtyg.

A few days ago I posted a diary declaring my intention to run for office.  Being inspired by NYBri's 2006 campaign, I decided to run for County Commissioner of Oakland County, Michigan.

Oakland County has been reliably Republicon for the past 30 years.  But that started changing in 2002 when David Woodward became chair of the Oakland County Democratic Party.  In 2004 our county won the vote for John Kerry.  In 2006 we went blue for our Governor, Jennifer Granholm.  This election our Repug County Executive will have a strong challenger for the first time since the 1990's.  Our county's 25 member board went from having six Democratic members to 12 in four years.  We're one seat away from ending three decades of Republicon rule in one of Michigan's largest counties.

Go below to learn more...

Florida & Michigan – the Question to Ask

Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:44:46 AM PDT

I have yet to hear a reporter ask Mrs. Clinton the key question in this controversy: If the DNC cannot make rules that stick, how is it going to keep states from holding early primaries in future elections?

Poll

When will the Florida/Michigan dispute be settled?

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| 42 votes | Vote | Results

The Daily Flipper - Vol.1 No.9 - May 9, 2008

Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:27:10 AM PDT

The Daily Flipper by greenchiledem Read what the Republicans Wish You Wouldn’t

Today's Daily Flipper - McCain Corruption Edition you will read:
McCain Pushed Key Land Deal For Fundraiser
McCain Misses The Mark In Michigan
McCain Doesn’t Know Much About The Judiciary Either
McCain Gets Support From EU Trade Minister
Cindy On Release Of Tax Returns
As The Money Woes Continue
McCain Wants His FEC
Ron Paul Supporters Plan Takeover of GOP Convention

Read all the detail and take action on the flip. Flip it good.

MI-09: Gary Peters Live Blog

Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:33:55 AM PDT

Right now at MichiganLiberal.com, Gary Peters is participating in a live chat.

Gary Peters is the Democrat running against Joe Knollenberg to represent Michigan's 9th Congressional District in Congress. For those of you not from Michigan, the 9th is in Oakland County, in the suburbs north of Detroit. It was considered solidly Republican for years, until 2006, when Knollenberg barely won against Nancy Skinner - even after outspending her 7 to 1. And, as we've all seen from Foster and Cazayoux, being a solidly Republican district doesn't mean that much anymore.

Go Ahead, seat MI and FL as Clinton 'Victories'

Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:43:20 AM PDT

It's even better for Obama.

This is gonna be a short diary, but I hope it might get some recommends because I think a lot more people need to start making the point that Obama looks like an even stronger candidate right now if you count MI and FL as huge Clinton wins. Just imagine a new retroactive timeline where those two states were HUGE wins for Clinton. Doesn't that just mean that Obama had a huge swing in momentum after those two 'victories', supporting the reality that is his actual momentum?

If I'm not mistaken, even if they seat those states giving the fullest advantage to Clinton in pledged delegates possible, Obama will still end up slightly ahead at the convention and this thing will still be decided by supers. Looking at the full election narrative in this sense, how do the supers not go with the candidate with the biggest 'mo?

Poll

If we count the states, will this end?

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"Voices": Hillary Contradicts her own FL and MI Arguments

Fri May 09, 2008 at 07:50:52 AM PDT

Not that the Clinton campaign values intellectual honesty, but her main argument for staying in the race completely undermines her argument for having the Florida and Michigan delegations seated "as is".  And this contradiction takes her campaign to new heights of intellectual dishonesty and cognitive dissonance.

Here is her argument for Michigan and Florida being seated as "voted":

"I am asking you to join me in working with representatives from Florida and Michigan and the Democratic National Committee to arrive at a solution that honors the votes of the millions of people who went to the polls in Florida and Michigan," she concluded. "It is not enough to simply seat their representatives at the convention in Denver. The people of these great states, like the people who have voted and are to vote in other states, must have a voice in selecting our party's nominee."  Link

michigan decision

Thu May 08, 2008 at 09:43:01 PM PDT

You know Obama has run an amazing and well thought out campaign.  The only big mistake he has made....

Some Chutzpah: HRC, MI and FL Delegations w/Poll

Thu May 08, 2008 at 08:18:25 PM PDT

I must be dense.

Florida and Michigan moved their primary dates in violation of DNC rules.

They were told that their primaries would not count and their delegations would be not be seated.

And now this:

Poll

Which movie encapsulates that current state of the Clinton Campaign?

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