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a sneaky diary for the old gang
WELL WITH MB LEAVING and all attention turned there I thought I'd sneak in an announcement regarding the former diary series here known as Saturday Night Uforia that's ...
two roads 08/10/2011 8 7 2 115
My July 4th in prison, or what it really takes to be a foster family
(reposted) I HAD ORIGINALLY PROMISED SEVERAL KOSSACKS that I would write this diary on the ins and outs of foster care, and becoming a foster dad (or mom) weeks ago. I'm late in posting ...
two roads 07/04/2010 141 360 13 99
The Carriage Held But Just Ourselves
THIS IS A DIARY ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED on January 6, 2007, during a time when my primary activity -- outside of tending to my son -- was keeping the human cost of the war in Iraq front and ...
two roads 05/31/2010 6 11 - 30
Kagan: No constitutional right to marriage equality
ALTHOUGH SUPREME COURT nominee Elena Kagan comes without a record of written judicial opinions, according to her ...
two roads 05/11/2010 277 22 - 29
Saturday Night Uforia: Time for a break
THOSE REGULARS READING THE TITLE could ...
two roads 03/13/2010 91 17 3 111
Saturday Night Uforia: In the news, 1952 (Part 11)
Above: From the Waukesha Daily Freeman, Wisconsin, August 2, 1952. NINETEEN FIFTY-TWO might be remembered for many things, large and small. The election of Dwight Eisenhower as President of the ...
two roads 03/06/2010 13 19 1 293
Saturday Night Uforia: In the news, 1952 (Part 10)
Above: From the Hutchinson News-Herald, Kansas, July 31, 1952. NINETEEN FIFTY-TWO might be remembered for many things, large and small. The election of Dwight Eisenhower as President of the ...
two roads 02/27/2010 32 20 - 125
Saturday Night Uforia: In the news, 1952 (Part 9)
Above: From the News-Palladium, Benton Harbor, Michigan, July 30, 1952. NINETEEN FIFTY-TWO might be remembered for many things, large and small. The election of Dwight Eisenhower as President of ...
two roads 02/20/2010 62 21 - 88
Saturday Night Uforia: In the news, 1952 (Part 8)
Above: From the North Adams Transcript, Massachusetts, July 30, 1952. NINETEEN FIFTY-TWO might be remembered for many things, large and small. The election of Dwight Eisenhower as President of ...
two roads 02/13/2010 65 24 3 56
Saturday Night Uforia: In the news, 1952 (Part 7)
THE SEVEN YEARS FOLLOWING the end of World War II brought to the world only a turbulent and troubled peace. By 1946 Winston Churchill was warning that the Soviets had lowered an "iron curtain" ...
two roads 02/06/2010 57 21 1 54
Saturday Night Uforia: In the news, 1952 (Part 6)
Above: From the Daily Telegram, Eau Claire, Wisconsin, July 29, 1952. NINETEEN FIFTY-TWO might be remembered for many things, large and small. The election of Dwight Eisenhower as President of ...
two roads 01/30/2010 73 17 2 51
Saturday Night Uforia: In the news, 1952 (Part 5)
Above: Featurette from the Sunday newspaper supplement Parade Magazine, July 27, 1952, with text sections enlarged at bottom of image. NINETEEN FIFTY-TWO might be remembered for many things, ...
two roads 01/23/2010 82 19 - 132
Saturday Night Uforia: In the news, 1952 (Part 4)
Above: News feature from the Long Beach, California, Independent, July 25, 1952. NINETEEN FIFTY-TWO might be remembered for many things, large and small. The election of Dwight Eisenhower as ...
two roads 01/16/2010 95 23 2 183
Saturday Night Uforia: In the news, 1952 (Part 3)
Theater ad from the Monessen, Pennsylvania Daily Independent, June 30, 1952. NINETEEN FIFTY-TWO might be remembered for many things, large and small. The election of Dwight Eisenhower as ...
two roads 01/09/2010 88 22 - 177
Saturday Night Uforia: In the news, 1952 (Part 2)
Above: One of a series of five pictures taken in Brazil in May, 1952. Story below. NINETEEN FIFTY-TWO might be remembered for many things, large and small. The election of Dwight Eisenhower as ...
two roads 12/19/2009 85 16 2 36
John Edwards Was Right
THERE'S A WALL AROUND WASHINGTON and we need to take it down. The American people are on the outside. And on the other side, on the inside, are the powerful, the well-connected and ...
two roads 12/16/2009 118 17 - 37
Saturday Night Uforia: In the news, 1952 (Part 1)
Above: April 4, 1952 full-page newspaper ad for Life Magazine. NINETEEN FIFTY-TWO might be remembered for many things, large and small. The election of Dwight Eisenhower as President of the ...
two roads 12/12/2009 63 19 - 122
Saturday Night Uforia: Through a lens darkly (Part 3)
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two roads 12/05/2009 58 25 2 59
Saturday Night Uforia: "The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects"
Left: Captain Edward J Ruppelt, standing, and Air Force Director of Intelligence John ...
two roads 11/28/2009 78 22 3 152
Saturday Night Uforia: A beginner's guide to flying saucers
THE WARNING ABOVE was contained in every issue of Air Intelligence Digest -- published by the ...
two roads 11/21/2009 122 26 1 110
Saturday Night Uforia: "The Flying Saucers Are Real"
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two roads 11/14/2009 50 26 1 90
Saturday Night Uforia: Death of a legend
ANY LIFE IS A COLLECTION of memories, merged into ...
two roads 11/07/2009 67 22 - 388
Saturday Night Uforia: Halloween-A-Palooza! 2009
two roads 10/31/2009 38 21 - 241
Saturday Night Uforia: Through a lens darkly (Part 2)
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two roads 10/24/2009 62 22 1 72
Saturday Night Uforia: The pilot's tale
WELL, LIFE DECIDED to ignore all my best-laid plans this week and go its own way (mostly for the good, though). The unfortunate byproduct being that suddenly it was Friday afternoon, with this week'...
two roads 10/17/2009 88 20 1 157
Saturday Night Uforia: Through a lens darkly (Part 1)
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two roads 10/10/2009 71 22 3 48
Saturday Night Uforia: Ladies and Gentlemen... Frank Edwards
Left: Frank Edwards LAST WEEK , while rifling through the ...
two roads 10/03/2009 53 23 - 81
Saturday Night Uforia: Hynek, in his own words (Part 4)
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two roads 09/26/2009 57 18 2 80
The real Rahm bombshell (sigh)
Forest, meet trees ... ...
two roads 09/24/2009 42 12 - 28
Saturday Night Uforia: Hynek, in his own words (Part 3)
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two roads 09/19/2009 63 22 1 268
Saturday Night Uforia: Here there be monsters
Deep ...
two roads 09/12/2009 33 16 - 117
Saturday Night Uforia: If you go out in the woods today...
If you go ...
two roads 09/05/2009 29 18 3 314
Saturday Night Uforia: Hynek, in his own words (Part 2)
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two roads 08/29/2009 10 14 1 69
Saturday Night Uforia: Hynek, in his own words (Part 1)
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two roads 08/22/2009 29 18 - 84
Saturday Night Uforia: Anatomy of an Explanation, Astronomical (Part 5)
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two roads 08/15/2009 22 16 4 244
Saturday Night Uforia: Anatomy of an Explanation, Astronomical (Part 4)
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two roads 08/08/2009 25 20 2 134
Saturday Night Uforia: One year on
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two roads 08/01/2009 69 24 1 45
Saturday Night Uforia: Anatomy of an Explanation, Astronomical (Part 3)
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two roads 07/25/2009 45 21 4 225
Let them eat pie charts...
...and clothe themselves in graphs. Let them pay for their houses with tabulations, and provide for their children with data points. If they doubt, show them the X and Y axes, ...
two roads 07/20/2009 4 6 - -
Saturday Night Uforia: Anatomy of an Explanation, Astronomical (Part 2)
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two roads 07/18/2009 47 17 2 143
Man Walks the Moon Again... Starting Thursday
THIS THURSDAY will mark the beginning of ...
two roads 07/12/2009 34 51 6 191
Saturday Night Uforia: Anatomy of an Explanation, Astronomical (Part 1)
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two roads 07/11/2009 41 24 3 192
My July 4th in prison, or what it really takes to be a foster family
THIS DIARY IS A REPOST from one year ago. I believe its message is especially important now, as the states -- in the name of economic emergency -- begin to drastically cut back ...
two roads 07/04/2009 67 135 8 103
BREAKING! Not so fast with that Macbook, Markos!
-- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE -- Spokesbloggers for Daily Kos user two roads confirm he is filing suit against Markos ...
two roads 06/30/2009 31 34 - 30
Saturday Night Uforia: Anatomy of an Explanation, Streamers and Birds
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two roads 06/27/2009 19 13 3 152
Saturday Night Uforia: Anatomy of an Explanation, Rockets and Flares
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two roads 06/20/2009 25 17 2 42
GBCTUS
THIS DIARY WON'T MEAN MUCH TO ANYONE but a few ...
two roads 05/27/2009 35 17 1 41
Saturday Night Uforia: The Belvidere Bird
Above: Reconstruction of a Teratorn. IT BEING ...
two roads 05/23/2009 45 22 2 33
Friday Night at the Movies: From Stage to Film
ASK ANY SCREENWRITER and they'll tell you most movies consist of three basic elements: settings,
two roads 05/22/2009 90 21 2 44
Saturday Night Uforia: Anatomy of an Explanation, Balloons and Aircraft (Part 3)
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two roads 05/16/2009 19 19 1 91
Saturday Night Uforia: Anatomy of an Explanation, Balloons and Aircraft (Part 2)
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two roads 05/09/2009 22 15 1 85
Friday Night at the Movies: Guilty Pleasures
THIS EDITION OF Friday Night at the Movies is ...
two roads 05/08/2009 206 24 - 51
Saturday Night Uforia: Anatomy of an Explanation, Balloons and Aircraft (Part 1)
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two roads 05/02/2009 48 20 2 65
Saturday Night Uforia: The Year of Many Explanations (Part 6) (Finale)
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two roads 04/25/2009 29 19 1 237
Saturday Night Uforia: "It seems impossible -- but there it is" (Repost)
Note: This week is a re-post. A special comment follows in the comments section. ON JUNE ...
two roads 04/18/2009 44 14 - 93
Saturday Night Uforia: Caught in the Light
Above: Vertically-aimed searchlights form Albert Speer's 'Cathedral of Light' at a ...
two roads 04/11/2009 27 19 2 119
Saturday Night Uforia: Flights of Fancy
IN THE LATE NINETEEN-FORTIES , Ambridge Pennsylvania -- sixteen miles northwest of ...
two roads 04/04/2009 46 15 3 261
Gov't pledges now 90% of GDP: Bloomberg
ACCORDING TO Bloomberg , the total government/federal reserve commitment has climbed 73% since ...
two roads 03/31/2009 11 8 1 10
Saturday Night Uforia: The Year of Many Explanations (Part 5) (Heavy Graphics)
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two roads 03/28/2009 28 20 4 184
Saturday Night Uforia: The Unfortunate Mr. Gass
Note : Part 5 of The Year of Many Explanations was delayed once again due to a continuing chest cold and trying to catch up on those other areas of my life (yes, I do ...
two roads 03/21/2009 22 16 2 32
Saturday Night Uforia: The Mysterious Mr. Rhodes (heavy graphics)
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two roads 03/14/2009 52 22 5 56
Saturday Night Uforia: The Year of Many Explanations (Part 4)
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two roads 03/07/2009 27 17 2 25
Saturday Night Uforia: The Year of Many Explanations (Part 3)
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two roads 02/28/2009 77 21 2 129
Saturday Night Uforia: The Year of Many Explanations (Part 2) (Heavy Graphics)
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two roads 02/21/2009 57 15 4 97
Saturday Night Uforia: The Year of Many Explanations (Part 1)
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two roads 02/14/2009 62 22 7 200
Saturday Night Uforia: January, 1949
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two roads 02/07/2009 33 14 4 213
Saturday Night Uforia: Year of the Sign
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two roads 01/31/2009 20 16 2 45
Saturday Night Uforia: Great (Green) Balls o' Fire! - Part 6 (Finale)
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two roads 01/24/2009 28 20 4 233
Saturday Night Uforia: Great (Green) Balls o' Fire! - Part 5
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two roads 01/17/2009 32 14 3 272
Saturday Night Uforia: Great (Green) Balls o' Fire! - Part 4
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two roads 01/10/2009 47 16 2 275
Gaza: Starving children found near mothers' bodies
ITEM : Israeli military denying/delaying aid to wounded ...
two roads 01/08/2009 1286 521 17 44
Saturday Night Uforia: A break for the holidays
Above: ...
two roads 12/27/2008 32 11 4 9
"I'll be saying a prayer for Rick Warren"
Above: The Lutes-Stein family. Note : Jeff Lutes is executive director ...
two roads 12/24/2008 284 235 5 67
Melissa Etheridge is a fool. A tool. And a Quisling.
MELISSA ETHERIDGE at Huffington Post : I told my manager to reach out ...
two roads 12/22/2008 236 11 2 19
Saturday Night Uforia: Great (Green) Balls o' Fire! - Part 3
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two roads 12/20/2008 18 14 3 48
Saturday Night Uforia: Great (Green) Balls o' Fire! - Part 2
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two roads 12/13/2008 43 14 3 22
Saturday Night Uforia: Great (Green) Balls o' Fire! - Part 1
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two roads 12/06/2008 51 11 9 272
Saturday Night Uforia: Air Pursuit, 1948
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two roads 11/29/2008 22 11 1 201
I'm Getting Dizzy: Paulson's Bait and Switch AND Switch
two roads 11/25/2008 29 11 - -
Saturday Night Uforia: From the (X-)files of the FBI, 1947
THE EXACT RANGE OF INVESTIGATIVE interests covered by the FBI's Security Matter Dash ...
two roads 11/22/2008 35 13 1 37
IRAQ: Sorry Kossacks, but time for a cold splash of truth
...
two roads 11/16/2008 39 34 2 91
Saturday Night Uforia: In the News, 1947
CHRONICLING THE HISTORY of the UFO phenomenon, if it is to be done well, is no task for the lazy. There are dozens of reference books to pour through, scores of scholarly websites to cross-check, ...
two roads 11/15/2008 29 8 1 48
'Obama has no credentials in my mind' (CORRECTED)
CORRECTION: Well, this is embarrassing. Turns out it was McCain supporter Mike Libman who said the part about credentials. Mea maxima culpa, and I apologize for any disrepute my error might ...
two roads 11/14/2008 229 457 16 46
BREAKING & W.T.F.!? Paulson's bait and switch (Updated)
FIRST, JUST FORGET all the problems that the $700,000,000,000 Wall Street bailout has had before it's even in place: AIG's $400,000 spa retreat, the bonuses to be paid out of bailout money,
two roads 11/12/2008 99 39 - 31
Saturday Night Uforia: 'Matters of National Interest' (Part 7) (Finale)
5 August 1947 Subject: Matters of National Interest To: Commanding Officer, Alaska Communication System... 1. Per AGAO-S 319.1 the following report is submitted on a matter which may become of ...
two roads 11/08/2008 24 8 1 146
Saturday Night Uforia: Halloween-A-Palooza!
two roads 10/31/2008 23 7 - 28
Saturday Night Uforia: The balloon master's tale
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two roads 10/25/2008 49 11 2 41
POLL: Obama's positives higher than Reagan and Clinton; Palin's negatives worse than Quayle
In the just-posted NY Times story on the latest NYT/CBS Poll: Mr. Obama’s favorability is the highest ...
two roads 10/20/2008 31 27 - 21
Saturday Night Uforia: The death of Capt. Mantell, Part 3 -- ('Matters of National Interest' Part 6)
5 August 1947 Subject: Matters of National Interest To: Commanding Officer, Alaska Communication System... 1. Per AGAO-S 319.1 the following report is submitted on a matter which may become of ...
two roads 10/18/2008 16 5 - 16
NY Times: "Real Deal on ‘Joe the Plumber’ "
GREAT MINI-EXPOSE of JTP at NY Times . Wonderful development for 2 reasons: 1) NY Times widely syndicated and 2) NY ...
two roads 10/16/2008 140 63 1 15
Saturday Night Uforia: The death of Capt. Mantell, Part 2 -- ('Matters of National Interest' Part 5)
5 August 1947 Subject: Matters of National Interest To: Commanding Officer, Alaska Communication System... 1. Per AGAO-S 319.1 the following report is submitted on a matter which may become of ...
two roads 10/11/2008 28 7 1 44
Saturday Night Uforia: The death of Capt. Mantell, Part 1 -- ('Matters of National Interest' Part 4)
5 August 1947 Subject: Matters of National Interest To: Commanding Officer, Alaska Communication System... 1. Per AGAO-S 319.1 the following report is submitted on a matter which may become of ...
two roads 10/04/2008 10 7 - 108
The (Financial) Wisdom of My Father
MY DAD HAD A LOT of failings. He was short tempered. He felt no compunction about being rude or cantankerous. Being with him in public would produce any number of cringe-worthy moments.
two roads 09/29/2008 23 21 1 -
Saturday Night Uforia: An Unplanned Interlude
AH, WELL ... this entry was supposed to be Part 4 of 'Matters of National Interest', but I simply could not get it done in time for tonight's edition of Saturday Night Uforia (it involves ...
two roads 09/27/2008 15 11 4 31
Saturday Night Uforia: 'Matters of National Interest' (Part 3)
5 August 1947 Subject: Matters of National Interest To: Commanding Officer, Alaska Communication System... 1. Per AGAO-S 319.1 the following report is submitted on a matter which may become of ...
two roads 09/20/2008 26 7 6 247
It's time to go all-out for the popular vote
THIS DIARY will be short, and succint. Dear Senator Obama and David Axlerod: Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. It's time to jettison the focus on a ...
two roads 09/17/2008 9 3 - -
Saturday Night Uforia: 'Matters of National Interest' (Part 2)
5 August 1947 Subject: Matters of National Interest To: Commanding Officer, Alaska Communication System... 1. Per AGAO-S 319.1 the following report is submitted on a matter which may become of ...
two roads 09/13/2008 46 7 1 98
Saturday Night Uforia: 'Matters of National Interest' (Part 1)
5 August 1947 Subject: Matters of National Interest To: Commanding Officer, Alaska Communication System... 1. Per AGAO-S 319.1 the following report is submitted on a matter which may become of ...
two roads 09/06/2008 10 5 2 31
Saturday Night Uforia: "It seems impossible - but there it is"
By the end of July 1947 the UFO security lid was down tight. The few members of the press ...
two roads 08/30/2008 24 11 2 25
Saturday Night Uforia: The tale of the Nazi saucers
IF THIS TALE WAS an episode of the X-Files, the script might start like this:
two roads 08/23/2008 33 11 5 249
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