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  •  There is a real possibility......... (13+ / 0-)

    Boner loses his speakership when the vote comes up tomorrow.  Even if he doesn't; it will probably bring to light a very real split in the House Rethugs you are talking about.  

    The rabid Teahadists and "scared of a Tea Bagger primary" Rethug moderates will not back Boner's re election to the speakership.  Whatever remaining “Wall Street” caucus Rethugs will back Boner.  It could get very messy before we have a speaker.

    Regardless, we are looking at a House Rethug caucus that will be deeply divided between the far right loons and the more moderate pragmatists. Further, Wall Street and the rest of the Northeast Rethug establishment does not want to see shut downs and debt defaults-bad for business. Therefore, there must be compromises worked out with the Dems in the House and Senate plus the White House; compromises that the Teahadists will have no part of.

    What will be interesting to watch will be to see how far the Teabaggers are thrown under the bus by their fellow Rethugs and if they are pulled back out and dusted off to fire up the base again for the 21014 mid-terms.  The Baggers drove much of the news, and the narrative, in the Rethug successes in 2010 but were a huge liability in some of the 2012 races.

    The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

    by cazcee on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 07:34:23 AM PST

    •  Boner is going to need dem votes to be speaker (14+ / 0-)

      to get to a majority vote for speakership= predicting Pelosi cutting a backroom deal with boner about throwing dem votes behind him

      Pelosi gets the devil you know vs an unknown teahadist

      repubs freaking out that their leader/ speaker will be speaker thanks to dem votes

      and Boner owing her and Dems a huge favor to be called in later

    •  is there any way Dems could put forward (8+ / 0-)

      a candidate for Speaker that could get just a few Rep votes?

      I don't think Perlosi could - but how about someone else?

      Just a pipe dream - but wouldn't it be fun?

    •  And that's how we move the debate back to center (9+ / 0-)
      Regardless, we are looking at a House Rethug caucus that will be deeply divided between the far right loons and the more moderate pragmatists.
      Drag those pragmatists into supporting government where it is effective in terms of the long term health of the country. Make it known that addressing things like infrastructure investment at a time when interest rates are at or near zero is the pragmatic thing to do, and that cutting government in the middle of a recovery is not the pragmatic thing to do.

      Wall St. Republicans aren't bad to have on your side when it comes to things that demonstrably improve the economy. Wall St. may be evil, but it isn't stupid.

      The Tea Party is mostly stupid.

      Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

      by trevzb on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 07:57:48 AM PST

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    •  No such animal in the GOP (15+ / 0-)
      deeply divided between the far right loons and the more moderate pragmatists
      There are apparently only far right loons and corporate / Wall Street stooges that populate the House GOP.  There are no moderates and there are no pragmatists; only prostitutes and nihilists.

      "Mitt who? That's an odd name. Like an oven mitt, you mean? Oh, yeah, I've got one of those. Used it at the Atlas Society BBQ last summer when I was flipping ribs."

      by Richard Cranium on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 07:58:57 AM PST

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      •  Regardless of the semantics……………. (3+ / 0-)
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        there are Rethugs who are more beholding to Wall Street and the financial establishment as opposed to the loony Astroturf TeaBaggers, the  Koch Brothers, Adelson and the other rogue billionaires who feel tanking the economy is better than paying any amount of taxes or following any federal regulations.

        While they are definitely not on our side they are at least smart enough to know that government shut downs and debt defaults are bad for business.  That is where the votes to pass this deal came from.

        While I was for going over the Fiscal Curb, given the situation right now; I will take Rethugs that are driven by macro economic interests over ideologues.  They are at least willing to compromise to keep the Federal Government limping along.  Not the best situation but until/if we can get the House back in 2014 and keep the Senate; it is what we have to work with.

        The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

        by cazcee on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 08:29:08 AM PST

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      •  Just because they support Wall Street doesn't (5+ / 0-)

        make those guys able to work with Democrats.  Their primary purpose in supporting Wall Street is reducing taxes on the rich and reducing regulations.  It's not about generating a better economy.  More people with more jobs and better pay is not something Wall Street supports anymore.  It appears to me all Wall Street is about is the greed and more money now rather than investing in the future.

      •  There are remaining Republicans in blue states (0+ / 0-)

        who must feel somewhat endangered, right? They would have to feel the heat a bit.

        For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

        by Anne Elk on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 08:54:42 AM PST

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        •  you'd think so, wouldn't you? (0+ / 0-)

          and yet, even in nj, they get back in. chris smith gets 70%.

        •  The magic of gerrymandering has left almost all of (1+ / 0-)
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          those NJ Republicans in very safe seats.  Chris Smith was originally elected as a one issue anti abortion candidate, but superior constituent work over the years has apparently given him those numbers.  

          Districts were just changed here in Jersey, to make all the seats more safe for Republicans and Democrats.  As a result, I lost the privilege of voting for Rush Holt for Congress, but am now stuck with Leonard Lance.  Lance was once thought to be a Republican honest voice for good government when he served in the State Assembly and Senate, but as a Congressman, he has been almost indistinguishable from the Tea Party candidates he defeated in the primary.  

          It is very discouraging that a NJ Congressperson can vote against HCR and Planned Parenthood, and still be re-elected, but that seems to be the case, thanks to our incredibly complex Congressional Districts.

          And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

          by MrJersey on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 09:36:10 AM PST

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    •  The Newtster does NOT see happy times... (1+ / 0-)
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      ahead for the GOP.  Says passage of the Senate Bill ..."will lead to a profound fight within the GOP.

      Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

      by dweb8231 on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 09:58:55 AM PST

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