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  •  That's because Navy men are gentlemen as well as (8+ / 0-)

    officers.



    Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

    by Wee Mama on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 04:58:54 PM PST

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    •  Why thank you, ma'am. :-) NT (3+ / 0-)
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      "Forecast for tomorrow? A few sprinkles of genius with a chance of doom!" -Stewie Griffin

      by quillsinister on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 06:19:41 PM PST

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    •  But the enlisted still have to walk around those (5+ / 0-)

      gentlemen's "officer country" and say "by your leave sir" when passing from behind on ships.

      I always found that the Navy was the worst for officer/enlisted class differences. Their officers are the most like aristocracy IMO.

      "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

      by ranger995 on Thu Jan 03, 2013 at 09:15:00 PM PST

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      •  Older Traditions. The Air Force is pretty young (3+ / 0-)
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        It used to be the Army Air Corps.

      •  Wouldn't be lovely to keep the civility for all (2+ / 0-)
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        and shed the class differences?



        Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

        by Wee Mama on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 07:12:37 AM PST

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      •  This is true. (3+ / 0-)

        To understand why this is, we must realize two main things.  First, there was a strong aristocratic tradition in European navies going back hundreds of years, and old habits die hard.  Second, the CO of a naval vessel is effectively a military governor of a floating piece of staggeringly expensive sovereign U.S. territory that also carries enough firepower to devastate entire coastal cities.  Command of a warship also carries with it all the responsibilities of diplomacy, and ship's captains often act in that capacity.  There is no other piece of military equipment comparable to a warship, nor any other military position comparable to command at sea.  And the sea is unforgiving, allowing less room for error than most of Earth's surface.  Armies are seldom slaughtered to the last man, particularly by the elements alone, but if disaster befalls a ship, the possibility of "going down with all hands" is very real.

        All of this being the case, the captain rules his ship as an absolute monarch, and that extends down through the XO, department heads, and division officers, who act almost like vassals carrying out the policy of the realm.  Your choice of words is spot on; we are very nearly aristocratic, and while I lean very far to the left and would rage against a similar state of affairs in civil life, I honestly do not see how a warship could be effectively run any other way, nor do I see how a human being could shoulder the burden of command without also wielding such vast powers.

        It's a rough system to live in, but it does serve its purpose.

        "Forecast for tomorrow? A few sprinkles of genius with a chance of doom!" -Stewie Griffin

        by quillsinister on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 07:23:19 AM PST

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        •  I disagree with you, but you do a very nice (1+ / 0-)
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          job of presenting the reasoning. I also respect the fact that you don't try to pretend it doesn't exist. I just think that with the level of education and professional training enlisted personnel receive today coupled with the fact that they are volunteers, the class system does not need to be so obvious or oppressive.

          I was a Marine years ago, and I did some service on a ship. Not very long. I hated that environment and longed for the dirty business of ditch digging and walking all day.

          "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

          by ranger995 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 at 11:45:22 AM PST

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