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  •  That is very good news! (16+ / 0-)

    Am I understanding this correctly? I'll go read the links, but they seem to be saying that they'll leave the decision about banning members up to the individual, local group? If so, that's a big step forward. Even the Mormon church has softened its position on this issue. I think most units would not ban a member that they personally know. I may be wrong, but it's still clearly a step in the right direction.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 10:21:24 AM PST

    •  That's what the MSNBC report indicated (10+ / 0-)

      Each unit, and it's sponsors and parents, would make the decision. I expect if this goes forward there will be a lot of realignments - parents pulling kids from both groups that keep or abandon the policy, and moving to units that are suportive of their positions.

      "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

      by Catte Nappe on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 10:25:27 AM PST

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      •  BSA confirms NBC's reporting (5+ / 0-)

        with a statement on their website.

        "Currently, the BSA is discussing potentially removing the national membership restriction regarding sexual orientation."

        It kind of reads like pre-spin talking points:

        Scouting would accept membership and select leaders consistent with each organization’s mission, principles, or religious beliefs. BSA members and parents would be able to choose a local unit that best meets the needs of their families.  
        Like, hey bigots, you're gonna have to fight locally to keep the gays out. If the local troop doesn't agree, that troop may not "best meet the needs of your family."

        Maybe start your own "no gays allowed troop?"

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        —Dan Savage

        by Scott Wooledge on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 03:46:13 PM PST

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        •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

          Not just that, Scott... but the young boys who do not know they are gay growing up through cubs and scouts to become young scouts don't have a choice what troop they are going into and in many cases will have no idea of their sexuality when they join Tiger or Cub scouts.

          Who's going to be there to protect these kids from bullying or harmful discrimination?  No one, because apparently BSA national thinks it's OK because religious freedom and stuff.

          ~ Nothing insightful to say ~

          by EagleOfFreedom on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 08:15:01 AM PST

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    •  This is actually a really good move forward (10+ / 0-)

      and I think credit should be given to the individual units who fought for this after the meeting recently where they decided to reaffirm the ban.

      As a very involved parent who has one Eagle scout and another Life scout working towards Eagle this ban has been a huge problem for my family. I believe the kids in scouting can make this change.

      Our charter organization is a very progressive Presbyterian church which would not approve of a ban like this.

      People need to understand that each charter organization has final say over who can be in the troop. If a church wants to prevent muslims from being in their boy scout troop they can do that and the involved members have no say.


      Members can choose to move to another troop and their advancements and awards follow them. If one troop chooses to ban homosexual members then people can move to one that is more accepting.

      I really hope this happens soon!

      Since when is the party that embraces all the top tenets of Satan allowed to call the God shots?--wyvern

      by voracious on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 11:09:14 AM PST

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      •  The cool troop will attract more kids (1+ / 0-)
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        Catte Nappe

        The troop my son joined as a cub scout 15 years ago in very wealthy town in Marin County, CA made a decision that we wouldn't discriminate. Because all of us were intelligent and accomplished we had less hesitance to run things our own way.

        I have to admit it wasn't in our charter, but as we formed our cub troop one of the parents, a medical professional, offered to lead with the understanding he was agnostic, wasn't into the religious stuff, didn't discriminate against gays, and expected everyone to be welcome and respected.  I have gay relatives, too, so this made it easy to sign on.

        I eventually ran our pack and enjoyed it.  We were one of the cool troops whenever we went places and encountered other troops. Kids had fun, parents participated, we did lots of energetic outdoor activities because the parents were in good shape, the cubs pulled each other along and earned lots of badges.

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