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  •  Yeah, the beginning of Republican rule (4+ / 0-)

    Archie Bunker and his thinking had a hell of a lot more power after 1973 than Meathead and his.  And I'd say your average Tea Partier was watching this show at a formative age.

    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

    by slothlax on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:03:53 PM PST

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    •  Nixon was more liberal than Obama (11+ / 0-)

      The Right only started organizing into its present shape under Carter.

      Sure, Nixon's team invented the Southern Strategy, which is what Republicans used to get into the White House from then on. But the rightward shift of the country began under Reagan, not Nixon.

      Nixon said "We're all Keynesians now", wanted to introduce a negative income tax, and created the EPA (and the DEA, unfortunately, but some liberals still support the war on drugs, so that was not necessarily a right-wing thing).

      •  The fact that Obama is more conservative... (3+ / 0-)

        proves my point.  Nixon used Bunker to lay the foundation for four decades of GOP and conservative Democratic White Houses.  Four years after the triumph of Lyndon Johnson and the Great Society, forty years since the last conservative occupied the White House.  Nixon was the beginning of the end of the liberal order, so of course he was more liberal.  Obama is the beginning of the end of the conservative order, so of course he is more conservative.

        At least that's what I hope.

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:58:29 PM PST

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        •  I am agnostic as to whether Obama is the end... (4+ / 0-)
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          of the conservative order. Anyway, presidents, including Reagan, act as symbols of historical forces much larger than they are. (I think Tolstoy had something to say about that.)

          As for Archie Bunker, the fact remains that in the 1970s, you had a show, All in the Family, which every week made the same joke over and over, that "conservatives" are nothing but hating idiots. Obviously, such a network TV program is not possible today, although it would be more relevant than ever.

          The change started in the second or third year of Reagan's presidency. It was then that the media started treating right wing points of view seriously, no matter how crazy they obviously were.

          •  I think you are missing my point (2+ / 0-)
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            I'm agnostic about the future too, I was just making a hopeful assertion.

            But I see the media as a lagging indicator here.  Sure, the media was making fun of conservatives in the 70s.  But who were the voters who put Nixon and Reagan in office?  And a middle of the road Democrat?  The people who were pissed at the way Bunker was taken apart week after week on national television.  They were the "silent majority" of Nixon and the Reagan Democrats.  The underlying culture was more in tune with Archie Bunker than the people making the show realized.  They thought he was the end of Goldwater kookery, but he was really the backbone of the conservative ascendency that followed.  Archie Bunker got the last laugh.

            There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

            by slothlax on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 10:02:31 PM PST

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