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  •  I agree with the registration, background check (0+ / 0-)

    and gun show loophole closure proposals.   They don't impair my right to keep and bear arms.  

    The Second Amendment is not restricted to protecting the right to hunt and target shoot.  It protects the capability of the citizenry to protect their homes and families and to engage in armed insurrection if the Government becomes tyrannical.   That's a historical fact.

    Under the 2nd Amendment, I am entitled to bear a semi-automatic rifle with an extended magazine.  Leave that alone, and I am fine with the rest of it.  

    Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

    by SpamNunn on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 04:16:54 PM PST

    •  No, it doesn't. (2+ / 0-)
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      "It protects the capability of the citizenry to protect their homes and families and to engage in armed insurrection if the Government becomes tyrannical.   That's a historical fact."

      Bullshit. It's not a "fact," it's insanity dreamed up by people like Fred Koch in the 1960s.

      •  Read a history book. Just because you say (0+ / 0-)

        differently, that does not make it so.   Seriously.  Learn some history before you spout off or curse someone out.

        Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

        by SpamNunn on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:05:07 PM PST

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        •  And if you want some 'history' (0+ / 0-)

          regarding the recasting of the 2nd amendment, Frontline did a little piece on the matter:

          http://www.pbs.org/...

          •  Another load of crap. (0+ / 0-)

            Read Heller.

            Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

            by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 08:26:30 AM PST

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            •  I have read Heller (0+ / 0-)

              and it seems odd for you to refer me to the majority opinion of a contemporary conservative court as some vindication or evidence of a deeply informed aspect of history.

              Would the substitution of a liberal judge and a different majority opinion suddenly have rewritten history?

              How about instead of avoiding addressing the issues that were raised, you respond to the evidence provided that the 2nd amendment was about maintaining state slave patrols in the guise of militias, and that the recasting of the 2nd amendment as a safety valve for resisting government tyranny is a modern invention?

              Patrick Henry was a contemporary and deeply influential voice during the crafting of the Constitution and subsequent amendments. I tend to think that his words carry a bit more weight when it comes to historical context than Scalia's.

              •  The dissenters in Heller did not dispute the (0+ / 0-)

                history, only the result.   There is scant evidence or scholarly research to support the "slave patrol" theory.  

                Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

                by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 10:58:20 AM PST

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                •  Except, of course (0+ / 0-)

                  for the evidence and scholarly research that was posted.

                  If you wish to dispute that evidence, feel free. You don't get to invoke hand waving.

                  Here's a more in depth scholarly article, footnotes included:

                  http://www.saf.org/...

                  I don't know how you can read through that and still ascribe to your point of view, but I'd be willing to hear your counter arguments.

                  •  The overwhelming scholarly opinion is to the (0+ / 0-)

                    contrary.  I can find one or two articles to support any historical theory.  I don't know how you can read one scholarly article that supports your beliefs and hold it to be the sole truth.  That the author's name is "Bogus" is just an added ironic plus.

                    Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

                    by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 01:58:05 PM PST

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    •  The one armed insurrection... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...that actually did happen in this country, launched by states that claimed the Feds had gone tyrannical, failed.

      I also don't see the words 'semi-automatic' nor 'extended magazine' in the 2nd Amendment. It just says 'arms' and refers to regulation.

      If the 2nd Amendment supposedly entitles you to the right to a semi-automatic rifle, why doesn't it entitle you to a fully automatic one? Where's the distinction?

      Anyway, right now any kind of armed insurrection would probably be met with Hellfire missiles launched from drones. Think an AR-15 is gonna take out one of those? Or a 100-round magazine?

      "Don't ride in anything with a Capissen 38 engine. They fall right out of the sky." -- Kaywinnit Lee Frye

      by Technowitch on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 06:05:40 PM PST

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      •  Read the Heller case for a deeper understanding. (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.law.cornell.edu/...

        There are historical exceptions for "dangerous or unusual" weapons.

        Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

        by SpamNunn on Sat Feb 02, 2013 at 08:08:11 PM PST

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      •  Actually, that was a direct response to another (0+ / 0-)

        armed revolt that happened a few years earlier at Harpers Ferry.

        In the long run, though it didn't look like it at the time, that one succeeded.

        "I have often seen people uncivil by too much civility, and tiresome in their courtesy." Michel de Montaigne

        by JesseCW on Sun Feb 03, 2013 at 03:18:30 AM PST

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