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  •  If I'm afraid of anyone, it's our own (0+ / 0-)

    DOJ and security apparatus--and their friends in the private sector.

    If this is what it takes to keep me safe from terrorists, I'll take my damned chances, thank you.

    if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 09:45:14 PM PST

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    •  Your unreasonable fear... (0+ / 0-)

      ... is what fear-mongers count on to take away your rights - as well as the constitutional rights of those who were never afraid in the first place.

      I'm not willing to give up my constitutional rights because you are afraid of your own shadow.

      "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
      — Benjamin Franklin
      Your safety can never be guaranteed.  Ever.  In fact, your chances of dying from an accident at home, or within 25 miles of your home, are greater than your chances of dying at the hands of a ter'rist.  The statistical probability is that someday you will die at home in your own bed or in a bed at your nearest hospital or hospice.

      Why should those of us who know our safety can never be absolutely guaranteed be forced to give up our constitutional rights because you, and people like you, fear your own shadow and buy into the "be afraid" fear-mongering done by the reichwingnuts?

      Why are you willing to force me, and people like me, to give up our constitutional rights to placate your unjustified fears like you're a child who needs a parent to check under your bed every night to make sure there's no monster under your bed?  That makes the rest of us who understand statistical probability victims of your fear, and puts the rest of us into the role of rescuer and parent to placate your childish fears, and we're forced into that role because you're afraid of your own imaginary fears.

      No thank you.  I'd rather have my constitutional rights back.

      I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

      by NonnyO on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:24:09 AM PST

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      •  you don't at all understand (1+ / 0-)
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        what I said.

        I said, I am more afraid of the DOJ, the NSA and what they're doing to the Constitution (and the law) than I am of terrorists of any stripe.

        If this abuse of the law and the Constitution is what it takes to keep me safe from terrorists, I'll take my chances, thank you.

        Read some of my comment history and you'll see I am for civil liberties all the way. I've been having this damned al-Awlaki fight with the pro-Administration people ever since the goddamned thing happened.

        if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 12:00:50 PM PST

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        •  I apologize (1+ / 0-)
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          I said, I am more afraid of the DOJ, the NSA and what they're doing to the Constitution (and the law) than I am of terrorists of any stripe.

          If this abuse of the law and the Constitution is what it takes to keep me safe from terrorists, I'll take my chances, thank you.

          You are correct.  I understood the first paragraph quoted above, but not the meaning of the second one.  I believe you mean you'll take chances with terrorists (as I mean) because in sheer mathematical proportions, there aren't that many criminals compared to the number of good people who would not harm anyone.

          I'm sorry I misunderstood you.

          We are in agreement about what's happening with our Constitution and how our elected officials are abusing power and misinterpreting or just making meanings up that were never in the Constitution - or treaties or in US law - to begin with.  I believe somewhere down the line historians will condemn America from ca 1999 forward to some point in the future that has not yet arrived where we can correct the errors of the last 15 years.  As of this immediate moment in time, I can't even see an end point of this nightmarish insanity.

          I'd like to see the US go back to being a country that obeys and reveres our Constitution and Bill of Rights and the rule of law..., but I turn 67 in a couple of weeks and time is not on my side (even if I do plan to live to age 100 in spite of health issues).

          Again, I apologize for misunderstanding you.

          I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

          by NonnyO on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 10:13:26 PM PST

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