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  •  Yes, because (5+ / 0-)
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    taking away manufacturing jobs is oh so good for the economy.

    •  part of the change we are living (12+ / 0-)

      Is that the very nature of the economy has to change, if we do this right none of us will be wage slaves anymore. Socialism is actually the best answer here.

      "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

      by US Blues on Sun May 26, 2013 at 08:23:52 AM PDT

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      •  The problem is that we (5+ / 0-)

        never get the socialist solution.  Instead we've seen jobs dry up as a result of outsourcing and the mechanization of factories.  This has functioned to depress wages, discipline labor into making ever more concessions with regard to wages and benefits, and to a stagnation of class mobility.  Meanwhile, because standards of living haven't kept up, people become more and more indentured through debt just to get by.  As a consequence, we also get more conservatives among the middle and working class because people become filled with bitterness and resentment and cast about for scapegoats.  I among anti-technology by any means, but I am quite disturbed to see a diary such as this talking about how rosy things are without any awareness of these things.

        •  I'm sure those exact same things were said (2+ / 0-)
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          By blacksmiths, silversmiths, tailors, etc. as those industries became more mechanized - in the 1800s.

          And of course, by the custom buggy makers as well, when Henry ford came out with his new fangled machines.

          Things will change. They always have. Now isn't any different.

          •  Actually, the car destroyed millions of jobs. (3+ / 0-)

            Until the internal combustion engine showed up, the horse was the primary form of both transportation and power in this country.

            In the mid-1800s, a horse disease swept the country, leaving horses too sick to work for weeks.

            The country literally ground to a halt.  No transport. No way to get goods to market. The trains couldn't run because there were no horses to transport coal from the mines to the stations. Ditto for steam boats.

            Stores ran out of goods. Commerce ground to halt. Firefighters couldn't get their tankers to fires. Ambulances couldn't get sick people to hospitals

            The horses recovered and life went on. But it was an illustration of how many people depended on horses.

            Carriage makers? Sure But also horse breeders and trainers, grain and hay farmers,  farriers, wheelwrights, the people who made buggies, wagons, horse-drawn street cars, milk wagons and meat wagons, harness makers, saddle makers, livery stable owners, grooms, teamsters, manure haulers....

            When the car and the truck showed up, those jobs disappeared. By the millions. BUT.....

            The teamsters became Teamsters. The buggy makers learned to build cars. The livery stable owners realized they had good locations for gas stations.  The carriage drivers become chauffeurs or taxi cab drivers....

            And life went on.

            A man who knows how to put up an oil derrick can be trained to build windmills. A man who knows how to mine coal can be retrained to mine the minerals used in solar panels.  Those who know build gas-powered cars can learn to build cars powered by electricity or natural gas.

            We change or we wither away. And we can change.

            Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

            by Sirenus on Sun May 26, 2013 at 08:59:10 PM PDT

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          •  Yes, they were. (0+ / 0-)

            And they were right.  Thousands of them were plunged into poverty.

    •  Forgive me, but I think that's a stupid (0+ / 0-)

      and reactionary comment.  A Luddite comment.  New technology opens up new opportunities for workers.

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