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  •  It is not just the toxicity (9+ / 0-)

    After all, fulminated mercury is not nice either but it is used in every cartridge.
    Agent Orange was specifically designed to cause major harm on a massive scale to biological systems (this case foliage) via the introduction of chemical toxins.
    there is no other use to agent orange beyond that.
    If you spray DDT in such large amounts on populated areas with the goal of causing major harm  I would argue that it constitutes CW as well (even though DDT has its beneficial uses)

    As to when one crosses the line, this is the classic heap paradox

    Queror Ergo Sum. -- Rene Descartes Shakshuka

    by The Revenge of Shakshuka on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 01:34:07 PM PDT

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    •  It depends on how you use it (2+ / 0-)
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      Claudius Bombarnac, caul

      One could theoretically use it to kill people quickly by poisoning, but if used as a defoliant, then it wouldn't be a toxic agent, and this a chemical weapon

    •  Definition from the Chemical Weapons Convention: (2+ / 0-)
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      high uintas, caul
      1. "Chemical Weapons" means the following, together or separately:
      (a) Toxic chemicals and their precursors, except where intended for purposes not prohibited under this Convention, as long as the types and quantities are consistent with such purposes;
      (b) Munitions and devices, specifically designed to cause death or other harm through the toxic properties of those toxic chemicals specified in subparagraph (a), which would be released as a result of the employment of such munitions and devices;
      (c) Any equipment specifically designed for use directly in connection with the employment of munitions and devices specified in subparagraph (b).
      Agent orange is (a)...intended for purposes not prohibited under this Convention. Defoliating trees is not a purpose prohibited under this Convention. Instead, defoliating trees is:

      9. "Purposes Not Prohibited Under this Convention" means:
      (a) Industrial, agricultural, research, medical, pharmaceutical or other peaceful purposes;
      (b) Protective purposes, namely those purposes directly related to protection against toxic chemicals and to protection against chemical weapons;
      (c) Military purposes not connected with the use of chemical weapons and not dependent on the use of the toxic properties of chemicals as a method of warfare;
      (d) Law enforcement including domestic riot control purposes.

      (d) a military purpose not connected with the use of chemical weapons

      It is not (b) Munitions and devices, specifically designed to cause death or other harm through the toxic properties Agent orange was not a munition. It was a chemical version of a weed whacker.

      That said, it was still terrible stuff, and we shouldn't have been using it.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Wed Aug 28, 2013 at 02:31:48 PM PDT

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