Let me start out to say it comes from a vein from a FB friend who is from my childhood past. That said, I have learned that it is inappropriate to allow fantastical political or social extreme perspectives not to go unchallenged. Not through opinions or calling out names, but with facts or citing sources where almost entirely there is not a response in kind, merely more expression of extremism. What I learned is over the last couple of weeks we have many who are lost to the psychological warfare, this is not normal times to be discounted. Let me get to it.
My friend going all the way back to kindergarten has this as an open post on FB yesterday;
So, here's where it stands. Democrats used mail-in voting, the Dominion machines, and other common means of voter fraud to steal the election from the American people. Estimated actual voter count nationwide....Trump 105 million, Biden 47 million. Trump CAN prove it. And be sworn in on the 20th. But it will take a call out to our military to seize machines and ballot warehouses, and recount, along with monitoring the Georgia runoff. The military is ready and Very willing.
There is more but this as I responded to his posting: “OK since I teach HS Math in my growing old age, and Math is Math, you are subtracting 34m votes and giving them to Trump but it still does not reconcile by 3m and saying that Trump won 67.7% now this is fantasy, not even Tolkein could write. Now you can have this opinion, but electoral politics is my bally wick.” A friend of his then chimes in:
“If this voter fraud happened then not only Biden wins, but also several more democratic senators and representatives, and the dems would have full control of both houses of Congress. All those fraudulent ballots would not only have an X for Biden. They’d have X’s for every democratic candidate on there. Sorry, but that’s just self-evident.”
I respond by simply requesting that he cites his sources for this allegation.
My friend replies to this post with even greater fantasy:
“Most of the fraudulent ballots had only Biden checked. Time was short. New York had offices with persons filling in only Biden, then truckloads shipped out to Pennsylvania that night. Dominion machines were programmed to switch millions from Trump to Biden.. No effect to other races.. Common sense.. The Republicans WON the House races.. Yet Trump lost them?? I'm not missing anything. What you're missing, is what you'll (and the country) will experience if this monstrous lie gets Biden sworn in. A little logic. Something you are missing....how does an elderly challenged, locked in the closet candidate set an all-time record number of votes?? Impossible. In case you dream up a justification for that, ...common sense...tell me WHY Trump was kicking tail at 10 pm and the voting tabulation stopped?...only to be resumed the next morning. Come on. At least an objective democrat should be saying,"go ahead...RECOUNT!...make sure!" But no one is. Because the Landslide would appear. Even though several million have been destroyed to inch Biden a bit closer in his losing total.”
I attempt to educate my friend and his people by going through the entire registration and canvassing process as I have been an observer, election judge, elected official and served on voter protection forces. I discuss how ballots are verified and certified, counted, audited and secured. No one replies. I also inform him that the counts are not done in most states in precincts but by county clerk operations and then they are often audited again for accuracy. How scan machines are audited but this was to no avail.
Here is the reveal from his friend:
Not enough time to put a couple more X’s on those fake ballots? They had weeks and weeks with early voting. Smart enough to break into the electronic voting machines? Then they’d be smart enough to vote for the congressional candidates also.
The whole scheme is so good that voter fraud covers their tracks by splitting the ballots. I explain it is a constant that there is a descending percentage of voting participation in the down ballot in every election. But that does little to quell the xenophobia. The someone who doesn’t know me responds:
“He's quite the educated Democrat. Looking closely at his posts, I see quite a bit of not dealing with the fraud or possible results of a militarization of the election processes and materials. They definitely do not want any investigations into vote tampering. Bob treats the whole Trump questioning as preposterous. Again. Trumps commanding lead only went away after the precincts "paused" the tallying for several hours election night. They also don't question how a hideaway candidate ended up with record smashing totals. We'll see if Trump goes all out for the reveal.”
I explain that counting was paused in most places because they went home for the night. Other states waited till the next day to process mail-in ballots etc. If he really had read my posts or researched he would have found that in 2016 I was a Hamilton Elector and even went to the Supreme Court. Back to the discussion, in every counting there are at least two party observers and paid election officials. I failed to understand the code of militarization of election processes characterzation. Then my old friend responds:
Yeah. Well I guess we'll see how it all falls out. Since none of us have any power to credit or discredit the vote. Won't be long.
I ask how do you discredit the vote? I explain that I was a Presidential Elector and know this stuff having observed and having been an election judge. To discredit the vote a court would have to judge and deem through appeals that there was a “failed election”. That to move the election to state 2 of the XII Amendment they would need three states to be declared failed. To discredit their certified Elector slate and replace them they would need a law passed by the legislature and have it signed by the Governor. That takes MI, WI, NV and PA out. But further once voters are certified to vote their ballots are secret? I take them down the entire process how Colorado and Wisconsin processes the votes and how they are secured. No response to these points. The response is:
I dont have proof. The President has thousands items of proof...Time for Republican Senators to step up and fight for the Presidency, like the Democrats would do if they had actually won. The proof is irrefutable! Massive late night mail-in ballot drops in swing states, stuffing the ballot boxes (on video), double voters, dead voters, fake signatures, illegal immigrant voters, banned Republican vote watchers, MORE VOTES THAN ACTUAL VOTERS (check out Detroit & Philadelphia), and much more. The numbers are far greater than what is necessary to win the individual swing states, and cannot even be contested. Courts are bad, the FBI and “Justice” didn’t do their job, and the United States Election System looks like that of a third world country. Freedom of the press has been gone for a long time, it is Fake News, and now we have Big Tech (with Section 230) to deal with. But when it is all over, and this period of time becomes just another ugly chapter in our Country’s history, WE WILL WIN!!!
I respond with the NY Times and Wapo articles categorially going through the court filings and hearing refuting every allegation above.
After bringing some 60 lawsuits, and even offering financial incentive for information about fraud, Mr. Trump and his allies have failed to prove definitively any case of illegal voting on behalf of their opponent in court — not a single case of an undocumented immigrant casting a ballot, a citizen double voting, nor any credible evidence that legions of the voting dead gave Mr. Biden a victory that wasn’t his.
My friend continued:
Understood. More illicit votes cast than voters. Some changed, possibly. We'll see.
Are you talking about these charges again refuted:
“Forty-two thousand people in Nevada voted more than once, according to your work,” Mr. Lankford said during questioning of a Trump campaign attorney, Jesse Binnall. Mr. Lankford went on to repeat the Trump campaign’s claims that dead people, out-of-state residents and noncitizens had cast illegal ballots in Nevada in substantial numbers. The campaign had based those charges on analyses that matched voting lists with records from commercial and governmental sources.
But the trial judge in the Nevada case had dismissed the suit nearly two weeks earlier, rejecting those analyses as unsound and unconvincing, declaring that the campaign “did not prove under any standard of proof that illegal votes were cast and counted.” ...one-time Texas congressional candidate named Russell J. Ramsland Jr. One of his reports alleged that various Michigan counties had vote tallies that exceeded their populations, implying their totals were padded with illegal ballots; the counties in question, it turned out, were in Minnesota, not Michigan.
Likewise, several specific accusations that people illegally cast ballots in the names of dead people have been born of amateurish data analysis that later proved faulty.
In a federal case the Trump campaign brought seeking to delay certification of the results in Michigan, the specific mention of a ballot cast by a dead voter was incorrect: No vote was cast through the dead man’s registration. Rather, a man with his same exact name voted legally. (Mr. Trump’s team pulled that case from the docket as Michigan moved forward toward
A new person joins the conversation and states:
I agree with most of these people, but Trump is going to have to use the military and institute martial law. We cannot become a banana republic, we can’t let criminals win, Trump won this fair and square.
Followed by another who also went to elementary school with me:
He will be president again. Watch for Monday events, for Jan 5th, when perhaps the election will be decertified or at least the Electoral Vote disputed. Watch for much more evidence of the massive corruption of the Bidens, and, best case scenario is that Joe sees the light (somehow) and concedes. There may be a large military presence in CA, OR and WA soon to clean up some of the 100K + Deep State/Cabal criminals.
My friend concludes:
We'll have to wait and see. Assumptions won't matter. Trump is not going for a coup. Possible in 6 states. Then we'd find out whose assumptions are right about fraud. Yours or mine. Have to wait. Difference is, I will support the man sworn in. Most of the country is too split to be civil. Good info. Thanks.
I came away seeing how effective Trump and his attorney’s have been in psychological warfare. Also how few of them are challenged to defend their beliefs with proof and when they are they don’t actually engage. I once conducted a class in critical thinking and used old geometric proofs as a structure to go through critical thinking works I used an old cartoon us Math geeks love. Because in the end all this post election Trump crap is about hoping for some miracle summed up by the last post.
Let's DO IT!!!
Do what, I ask?
