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Some of my FB friends (or acquaintances) are becoming more openly radical conservatives. They don't seem to mind how they come across as long as they can disseminate a lie that will paint Obama and the Democrats as evil destroyers of all that is dear in America.

This particular lady, my former Tae-kwon-do teacher is getting really rabid. And I don't mind if she "unfriends" me, but before she does that, I want to post my reply to her crazy posts on her wall to give her an incentive to disassociate from me.

I want to ask my fellow Kossacks to help me find the best reply for the following post. I am too upset and short on time to find the right info and answer. Perhaps we should do this as a frequent exercise, share some crazy stuff the right is saying and post the best response that informs and quiets them down.

She writes:

Obama is about to cut spending to our military. This will hurt our military families and make the U.S. weak!
And she posts the following photo (after the fold):

 photo soldier_like_and_obama_lie_zps5144702b.jpg

I know of all the efforts by Obama, Michelle and the Dems to help improve services for our veterans and that the defense spending cuts will mostly go to cutting wasteful spending for outdated military equipment, but I am not fact checking. I will do that while I read your posts.

My favorite response is currently my own, courtesy of wikipedia:

It is about time we cut wasteful military spending! Brown University reports that the cost for the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan started by the Republican Bush administration is at least $3.2-4 trillion. No wonder the US debt is so large. Meanwhile, Obama and Michele have pushed for efforts to provide for veterans when they come back from the wars. On the other hand, the Republicans want to cut veterans benefits to lower the deficit. Isn't that ironic? After they sent thousands to an unnecessary war in Iraq and a botched one in Afghanistan?

I need to make it shorter of course.

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  •  Your data was quite clear in your post. I would (2+ / 0-)
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    healthy, gffish

    say, give her the facts so she can see that what he wants is to cut  waste in programs some of which even the military does not want.  Does she dislike Obama or is she poorly informed, it is too bad you can't remain connected to her because she might shift with some help from you.  But this is not your job in life and you sound quite done with her.  Just give her the unvarnished facts, however.

    •  The problem is, I can't find links from reputable (0+ / 0-)

      news organization about what exactly Obama proposed to cut or not to cut.

      Once you vote smart, you never go back. Four more years!

      by healthy on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:32:04 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  because he hasn't said what they are (1+ / 0-)
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        Ginny in CO

        There are no "specifics".

      •  Tricare (military healthcare) will be affected (3+ / 0-)
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        gffish, Dave in Columbus, Bob Love

        by sequestration.  Retirees would see benefit cuts.

        But Congress agreed to the bill (the BCA of 2011) and is responsible for spending moreso than the executive branch.

        "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Thomas Paine

        by shrike on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:57:02 PM PST

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        •  sequestration is going to hurt the little guy (1+ / 0-)
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          Ginny in CO

          We are defense employees. Barring some great compromise we have been told to plan for 176 hours of furlough (that's one month in personnel-speak, 22 days)

          One day off a week, every week, for 22 weeks. No pay for that day. approximately 1/2 of the year (just shy) we will see a reduction in our paychecks of about 20%. No taking leave for that day, no work (so one also falls further behind productivity-wise)

          We watch the PIIGS (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece and Spain) do austerity. it's not really working out for them.

          Now, does defense spending have to be reigned in? Absolutely.

          But I can hazard a bet there's a war or two to stop paying for, and a couple of fat defense contracts for something we don't need (the Daily Show had some story about our continued purchase of tanks) that could cut the budget in the same manner, without hurting us.

          And hundreds of thousands like us.

  •  I just ignore my right-wing facebook friends (10+ / 0-)

    I notice most other people do as well.

    "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change things, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."-Buckminster Fuller

    by NCJan on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:28:48 PM PST

    •  If you want to keep them as friends, I understand (0+ / 0-)

      I do the same with some who are otherwise quite nice. But if they get to the extreme of posting very radical stuff they become less nice and maybe, just maybe it would be good to confront them with some reality check.

      Once you vote smart, you never go back. Four more years!

      by healthy on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:33:59 PM PST

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      •  I don't even want to keep them as friends (9+ / 0-)

        One in particular I haven't see in forty years and wouldn't, frankly, ever want to from the extreme crazy she exhibits.

        I think that some of them are just doing it, like 2-year-olds, as a kind of temper tantrum. That's why it's escalated since the election.  I think they want attention and would really pounce if you responded.

        I thus think that the best way to respond is not to talk directly to them--that would give them the engagement that they seek.

        Rather, do a "parallel play" type thing--create your own posts about what Obama and Michelle are doing to support our troops.

        "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change things, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."-Buckminster Fuller

        by NCJan on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:40:36 PM PST

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        •  Yep, I just said as much elsewhere. (2+ / 0-)
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          NCJan, PinHole

          Facts, a calm demeanor, and a refusal to entertain teh crazy will -hopefully- go a long way.

          These children are going to tucker themselves out- 2nd term has just begun!

        •  Well, with her at least, I enjoy posting replies (3+ / 0-)
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          gffish, Bob Love, BachFan

          to her posts.

          Last time she posted an image of Hillary with Blood on her hands and superimposed image of the Benghazi killing and said that was shocking.

          I compared Benghazi to 911 and reminded her how the Bush admin failed to prevent 911.

          She just answered "equally shocking".

          And I left it at that.

          Once you vote smart, you never go back. Four more years!

          by healthy on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:43:55 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  "By making them spend more time together" (2+ / 0-)
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    gffish, jayden

    Instead of years overseas in endless multiple deployments in wars of choice they were lied into fighting.

    New Arizona State Motto; "Yeah, but it's a dry hate!"

    by Fordmandalay on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:34:11 PM PST

  •  What is best for military families (3+ / 0-)
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    healthy, Linda1961, Ginny in CO

    Speaking as someone with multiple family members in the military is to work quickly and diligently to bring them home safely.  

    What has been worst for the military is deployment which is costly for our country and for people at home who must maintain a single parent household.

    The quicker we deploy troops to their homes, the more money we save and the better we do.

    If they want an example of where things can go wrong with military spending, they should find an HBO Comedy (seriously) called "Pentagon Wars".  It's both funny and hits the nail on the head.

    Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle

    by Chris Reeves on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 05:48:28 PM PST

  •  A lot of these people (7+ / 0-)

    are just pissed because a black man is in charge, because deep down they truly believe that the smartest black person out there is still dumber than the average white guy. Obama could eliminate the debt, cut all taxes by 90% while balancing the budget, and send every American a check for $50,000, and they would still whine. They won't be happy until someone who looks more like them is running the show.

    You can't fix stupid...

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:09:33 PM PST

  •  military families are already hurt by multiple (2+ / 0-)
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    Linda1961, TrueBlueMajority

    deployments and slow response to those WIA (though it is much better than it was under GWB)  If someone wants to support our guys (male and female) in service, then advocate getting them out of Afghanistan  

  •  Obama better for M families than Cheney-Bush thru (4+ / 0-)
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    skod, Linda1961, jan4insight, PinHole

    smaller wars,

    fewer overseas deployments,

    ending mandatory re-enlistments,

    more funding of treatment for injury and other health,

    more civilian jobs,

    longer compensation if unemployed,

    more protection against abuse by banks and insurers,

    more fun photo-ops (see photos and youtube videos of Obama's visits with troops for a much higher level of excitement than those of W).

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    by emorej a Hong Kong on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:16:42 PM PST

  •  There's no good answer. (0+ / 0-)

    Cuts will be made to TriCare that will seriously affect their health care and, similarly, force reductions will result in forced retirements and decreased opportunities for promotions.  

    Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

    by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 06:21:23 PM PST

    •  That's sequestration... (4+ / 0-)

      Those are all the results of sequestration, which is a mechanism that Republicans in Congress put into place, and which Congress hasn't been able to work past due to Republican intransigence. Not sure how Obama is responsible for Congressional Republicans.

      •  Please. That passed both houses, with (1+ / 0-)
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        valion

        bipartisan support, and the President signed the bill.  Unless someone used the Autopen again, and didn't tell him, you are just being an apologist now.  

        Many hands make light work, but light hearts make heavy work the lightest of all.

        by SpamNunn on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 08:23:54 PM PST

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        •  Has the President veto'd anything sent to him? (0+ / 0-)

          The central premise of the President's entire time in office has been observance of process.  He's threatened a few times, but has let Congress do whatever it wants every time, no?

        •  YES, spamnunn, GOP is still to blame. (0+ / 0-)

          They're more interested in upward distribution of money to the wealthy, and yes threw a hissy fit at the President and Dems/Indies to make this bad deal to begin with.

          Obama isn't responsible for the GOP's sole place in politics now, which is making sure the wealthy pay no taxes and everyone else pays their living expenses for them.

          "Both parties are to blame!" is what conservatives cry when we're on to their bull.

  •  nothing (6+ / 0-)

    the best response to these things is nothing.

    if you give them facts, they will not believe them.  you by yourself cannot overcome the propaganda others are feeding them.

    but if you must reply, send them a link to Michelle and Jill Biden's work with veterans' families.

    and explain that the Republicons are the ones pushing for the sequester and the cuts to the military budget.

    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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    by TrueBlueMajority on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:16:39 PM PST

  •  Best Defense is a Good Offense: pre-emptive strike (2+ / 0-)
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    PinHole, jayden

    Tell this 'friend' that as long as she continues to post ignorant lies, you can no longer waste your time viewing her drivel, nor can you in good conscience maintain her as a friend.

    Post your quote.

    Then post ps  Obama supported the troops by ending the war in Iraq and by bringing them home.   And he is scheduled to do the same in Afghanistan.

    Then nuke her as a 'friend.'

    Don't give here the pleasure of de-friending you, why should she deserve that little smug feeling of superiority which is rightfully yours?

    •  Yes, but... I have a little political blog that (0+ / 0-)

      I was just going to close because I found no inspiration recently and she just inspired me twice today.

      See this: http://www.dailykos.com/...

      I won't be able to see what she's up to if she de-friends me. So, although I posted that reply in her wall today, I will hold back and not reply to the other posts. At last for a while.

      Once you vote smart, you never go back. Four more years!

      by healthy on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 07:47:16 PM PST

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  •  A Republican Congress voted to sequester funds (1+ / 0-)
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    Dr Erich Bloodaxe RN

    including military funding. Ask her why they voted for the bill.

    It's so entertaining to ask them questions they can't answer without ... learning something.

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Sun Feb 10, 2013 at 10:51:32 PM PST

  •  Perhaps when you are doing your research you (0+ / 0-)

    can discover why this happened. It doesn't exactly scream support for military members or family's.

    Bottom line, if that DoD press statement is true, either OSD or the Navy is led by unprepared, incompetent fools, because that is basically what the press statement is saying if OSD and the Navy didn't react to budget problems until 2 days before an aircraft carrier with 5000 sailors was set to deploy. Yes, I realize I am repeating the same point... because if you say it a few times to yourself and think about it, the budget reasons cited don't make any sense.

    Unless people whom I know to be really smart have suddenly become really incompetent, it looks to me like there is a lot more going on than what is being said.

  •  P.S. Norfolk is about a 30-45 minute helo ride (0+ / 0-)

    from Washington. A little pep talk from the CIC doesn't seem, in the circumstances, too much of a burden.

  •  Ask her what she thought the Republicans meant (2+ / 0-)
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    Dr Erich Bloodaxe RN, healthy

    when they insisted on spending cuts.

    "Democracy is a life; and involves continual struggle." ---'Fighting Bob' LaFollette

    by leftreborn on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 12:25:18 AM PST

    •  I will! Just read what she answered to my post: (1+ / 0-)
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      leftreborn

      She wrote:

      You failed to get the complete information there. China and Russia are out spending the U.S. three to one. By 2025 China will have the largest military force. Russia will be #2. Have you seen their human rights? You libs who only go to liberal media to get your information will never get it until they take your freedom and round you up into camps. Stength=Security and Freedom. The only way to keep countries who do not value human life and the freedom of all people to acheive their Godly potential is to have the ability to use force if necessary. Until you go back and learn how and why America was founded, you will always be repeating history and that's foolish!

      Once you vote smart, you never go back. Four more years!

      by healthy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 06:35:47 PM PST

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      •  And I answered with the help of your comments (0+ / 0-)

        This:

        That's scaremongering. It's not the liberal media. It's math, scientific research and reporting the truth. Where are the links for your misinformation? A Republican Congress voted to sequester funds including military funding. Why do you think they voted for the bill?

        Once you vote smart, you never go back. Four more years!

        by healthy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 06:42:04 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  This is ridiculous and not worth taking seriously. (0+ / 0-)

        The US military expenditure is by far the largest in the world.   The US is spending about $650 billion a year on its military.  In 2011, China spent $146 billion and Russia spent $72 billion.  Those figures are from the World Bank.  

        Whenever I hear people fear mongering about China I tell them to turn over the appliances in their kitchen to look at the bottom and see what it says there.  Where were they made?  

        "Democracy is a life; and involves continual struggle." ---'Fighting Bob' LaFollette

        by leftreborn on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 07:40:34 PM PST

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  •  It's not 'Obama's sequester'. Congress passed it (0+ / 0-)

    not the President.  They've blocked every other bit of legislation they didn't like, so if they hadn't wanted this one, it never would have gone to his desk.

    And wasn't this deal the one on which Boehner said he got '98% of what he wanted'?  Wouldn't that make it Boehner's sequester?

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