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The Catholic bishops are getting desperate, so now they say this:

Before the Supreme Court rulings on two marriage equality cases expected in June, American Catholic Bishops are urging Catholics to pray, fast and sacrifice “for life, marriage, and religious liberty,” warning that these cases are the “Roe. v. Wade of marriage.”
Marriage equality ? Abortion ? Same thing, according to them!

Does the paragraph below from the bishops make any sense to anyone ? I just don't understand this:

Redefining marriage in the law says many false things: women – mothers – are dispensable; men – fathers – are dispensable; what adults want trumps what a child deserves and has a basic right to.”
The only thing I can understand from the bishop's statement is that marriage is all about sex, and nothing else.

Watch out! The bishops are preparing a bulletin insert for ALL Catholics to tell everyone the evils of marriage equality!


Originally posted to varii on Thu May 09, 2013 at 03:14 PM PDT.

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  •  And meanwhile, sex continues its obsession (10+ / 0-)

    with Catholic bishops.

    I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

    by commonmass on Thu May 09, 2013 at 03:38:52 PM PDT

    •  All the Catholics I know will ignore this (2+ / 0-)
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      sturunner, commonmass

      My best friend is a Catholic and from what she's said, her priest will ignore this as well. Catholics I know just are not very obsessed with gay marriage. Gay former Catholics I know are former Catholics and attend my (Episcopal) church.

      I think the bishops are way out of touch. DUH.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Thu May 09, 2013 at 09:21:44 PM PDT

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  •  and bishops are experts on marriage/sex how? (8+ / 0-)

    or are they doing things about which their faithful are unaware?

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Thu May 09, 2013 at 03:42:14 PM PDT

  •  So much concern abut sex from thes aged, celibate (7+ / 0-)

    and so little on Jesus of Nasareth's hope for a New Creation, Neuva Creacion in spanish.  Will the new pope take this up and help the billions of souls in need of real leadership on this Green-Earth-World of ours?

    •  I don't think (2+ / 0-)
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      wintergreen8694, Remediator

      the Pope will make any direct changes regarding marriage, abortion or birth control.  I do see signs that he's trying to refocus energy on things like poverty and income disparity.  Whether he can get U.S. bishops to buy in is another matter.  They are heavily invested in sex issues.

      -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

      by luckylizard on Thu May 09, 2013 at 05:44:25 PM PDT

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  •  well, of course they are the same thing (6+ / 0-)

    to Catholic Bishops, because what both of these issues say is that the Catholic dogma on these issues is out of touch with real world lived experience of them.

    That's all they see: a threat to their authoritative positions on these subjects.

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:02:52 PM PDT

  •  So mothers who brought up their kids by (8+ / 0-)

    themselves after their husbands deserted both them and their kids (e.g., the mothers of my two great daughters-in-law) committed a sin by not remarrying, thereby depriving their kids of their "right to a father & a two-parent family"?  

    What planet do these people live on?  

    It's almost 50 years since my Jesuit profs taught me that "natural law" is the philosophical equivalent of the miasma theory of disease and had been outmoded for considerably longer.  The Church is maybe the world's greatest example of the incompatibility of power with truth & enlightenment.  

    "If you don't read the newspapers, you're uninformed. If you do read the newspapers, you're misinformed." -- M. Twain

    by Oliver St John Gogarty on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:18:29 PM PDT

    •  This, indeed: (7+ / 0-)
      The Church is maybe the world's greatest example of the incompatibility of power with truth & enlightenment.  
      Now, if one looks at other churches where not only is power more transparent and decentralized but the hierarchy includes women and in powerful, transformational ways, you'll see churches which are much more successful and functional if you'll ask the people who attend and support them.

      I know lots of Roman Catholics who have refused to put money in the collection plate for years now but the only time I ever hear of an Episcopalian doing that, I also hear a story about how that Episcopalian didn't get his way on the building committee--not a story about people who preach about human dignity are violating it constantly in the most shocking, the most vile manner. My Roman Catholic friends who continue to have the fortitude to attend Mass are truly Herculean in their faith and resolve.

      I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

      by commonmass on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:34:19 PM PDT

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    •  Not just deserted either (4+ / 0-)

      What about those who lost their husbands (or husbands who lost their wives) to death while still having young children at home? There's no guarantee that you'll find someone who wants to be an "instant parent" or will treat the step-kids fairly.

      My father died when I was only 11. My mother never remarried. Maybe I deserved a two-parent family, but my father's Pall Mall habit begged to differ. And what about all those children who have lost one or both parents to drunk drivers or drive-by shootings, or were killed on 9/11 or in Iraq or Afghanistan?

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Thu May 09, 2013 at 05:52:58 PM PDT

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  •  How many SCOTUS judges are Catholic? (4+ / 0-)

    Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr...Roman Catholic
    Justice Antonin Scalia...................Roman Catholic
    Justice Anthony Kennedy.............Roman Catholic
    Justice Clarence Thomas..............Roman Catholic
    Justice Samuel Alito......................Roman Catholic
    Justice Sonia Sotomayor..............Roman Catholic

    Think it will make a difference?

    •  Will the Bishops be able to resist threatening (6+ / 0-)

      them with a communion ban or even excommunication if they decide the wrong way?

      •  Will they be able to resist doing that (3+ / 0-)

        to every supporter of same-sex marriage everywhere? Some Bishops have already said people who support marriage equality should not receive communion, I think.

        I resent that. I demand snark, and overly so -- Markos Moulitsas.

        by commonmass on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:39:06 PM PDT

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        •  Years ago in Michigan (6+ / 0-)

          Then Governor Blanchard, a Democrat, picked a Catholic nun, Sr. Agnes Mary Mansour to head the Michigan Department of Social Services.

          She was forced to resign from her order and was excommunicated for her refusal to speak out against abortion.
          If I am remembering this correctly, as it was the 1980s, Sr. Mansour believed that as long as wealthy women could legally obtain abortions that poorer women should also be able to have them, those on government assistance.
          She promised to uphold the law and reminded citizens of the separation of church and state.

          I seem to recall there was quite the hoopla over that back then, but the majority of people were supportive of the former-nun and sympathized with her for being excommunicated.
          She still attended daily mass but did not receive communion or maybe she left before communion was served, I can't remember how that worked back then.

          I think if Sr. Mansour were alive today and under similar circumstances that her life would most likely be threatened by those filled with hate.
          Times sure have changed.

          When did the Republican Party get so mean and hate-filled and violent?
          It wasn't like that back then.
          Was it when the evangelicals joined the GOP?
          Was it the surge of popularity of Rush Limbaugh?
          FOX didn't exist back then, or if they did, they weren't like today at all.
          I'm trying to remember when it changed so drastically.

          All we need is LOVE!

          by arizonablue on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:56:10 PM PDT

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      •  That's what I am wondering (1+ / 0-)
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        Am fairly certain most of them will put their religious beliefs above the law, but not sure about Justice Sotomayor.

        All we need is LOVE!

        by arizonablue on Thu May 09, 2013 at 04:39:23 PM PDT

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  •  What it really tells us is (5+ / 0-)

    Catholic Bishops are dispensable.  

    That is their real fear... That people will catch on that tere is nothi to fear from the gays and that the Bishops are wrong on this as they are on so many things.  

    Who need 'em.  

    •  I think the bishop here (3+ / 0-)
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      ruscle, sturunner, Remediator

      is threatened by that idea. He closed a bunch of churches, infuriated several ethnic communities which appealed to the Vatican and won. He had to reopen the churches. Meanwhile, the congregation and priest of another church he closed simply rented a space elsewhere and continued to hold services. He recently excommunicated that priest. The priest and congregation basically said "Whatever — you aren't God." I heard the bishop was going to meet with them, but it's unlikely they are going to let the bishop tell them what to do. He's dispensable to them, and I don't think he likes that.  I also suspect that he doesn't like that the diocese isn't getting their collection money. But they have rent to pay and a priest to support and a bunch of ministries to the poor they need to keep afloat.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Thu May 09, 2013 at 09:28:14 PM PDT

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  •  oh, like freedom from molestation? (5+ / 0-)
    "what adults want trumps what a child deserves and has a basic right to.”
    Who knew the bishops were concerned with that?
  •  The bishops object to nearly (2+ / 0-)
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    Batya the Toon, Pandoras Box

    anything that represents a reduction in their control over essential events in others' lives, sex most certainly included.

    They are furious that SCOTUS may throw Prop 8 off the train.  They are furious that more states than ever now grant same-sex couples the right to marry.  

    They're so furious that they forgot that they are antiquated and medieval and listened to far far less than they ever have been.  

    And they have certainly forgotten Matthew 6, in which the faithful are instructed to keep their prayers private and not jabber like magpies on the street corners.

    The Catholic Church doesn't need new material.  It needs to begin following the old material.  For a change.

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