To understand just how discredited is Witness #40, you need to read at least part of her interview and testimony.
The night of the first Ferguson riots, Witness #40 was posting racist rants online, including [brace yourself, for real]: "They need to kill the fucking niggers. It is like an ape fest."
She formed an organization to raise money for Darren Wilson and to get schools to send him Christmas cards. For real.
She's the person who allegedly came home and wrote down the events of August 9 -- but she didn't reveal this fact until months later, at the very, very, very end of her testimony to the grand jury, long after she'd been contacting county officials, been interviewed by the FBI and DA, and testified to the grand-jury, and the split-second before that jury adjourned for the day, only then does she mention the 'journal' entry.
The only person she told was her ex-husband, but he has mental issues so he allegedly doesn't remember it. How convenient.
She emailed her 'friend' in Ferguson, which would at least prove she her story that she was coming to visit, but she deleted that email. How convenient.
The FBI cannot find any video of her or her car being where she said it was, including in a Ferguson gas station near the crime scene, which -- she testified -- she both walked in and drove through. She lied about how she exited the parking lot (because the FBI checked and that exit has long been blocked, although the roadblock doesn't show up on the Mapquest page she used).
She 'refreshed' her memory by reading right-wing websites about the shooting.
She was convicted of check fraud c.2007. She apparently had a traumatic brain injury from a head-on collision some time ago. She seems to have some other mental challenges herself, since age 15.
Etc. Etc. Etc. E.t.c...
Sorry for the lack of further commentary, but I think it's best to read the transcripts themselves. There's not much more I can say. This has been covered in a couple diaries, but still hasn't received the attention it deserves. To me, at least, it is very clear that she committed perjury.
If you're short for time and want a 'flavor', jump ahead to page 153: http://www.documentcloud.org/... (On the top-left, click on “Document” for the PDF, click on “Text” for an ASCII version. The top right has a search field to find text, and Previous / Next buttons for paging back / forward. It will take you to the ASCII version; click on Document to come back to the PDF at that page.) Or click on -- I've pasted the relevant pages below, after the fold. I've marked in bold some of the key passages.
Grand Jury Testimony, Vol. 15.
Witness #40 is from p.85-231.
p. 85-86 is the grand jury, introducing a recording of Witness #40 interviewed by the FBI the previous day.
p. 86-184 is Witness #40’s recorded interview with the FBI.
p. 184-231 is Witness #40 testifying to the grand jury.
[The FBI interview seems to include both a male and female FBI agent, and maybe someone from the DA's office. In the transcripts, one interviewer is labeled "MS.", the others are not labeled. Sorry if the formatting isn't perfect, rush job, and the ASCII from which one can cut-and-paste text is not always identical with the PDF (some errors).]
Starting on p.133:
MS. Okay. So when you say you locked yourself in your house for two weeks, did you literally not go out for two weeks?
No, I didn't leave my complex for two weeks. I didn't have any communication with anybody or go out. I took my kids to and from school and took them to their activities right there in [ ].
MS. Did, anybody in your family or anybody that you know, that you talked to anyone about what you saw?
I talked to my ex-husband, but he swears up and down he doesn't remember the conversation. So I don't know. But my ex-husband is heavily medicated, so I can fully understand him not.
How convenient. The
only person she tells, after such a traumatic experience, is her ex-husband and he doesn’t remember it. He tells her not to tell anyone, but he doesn't remember telling her this, either? This makes no sense. She didn’t mention it at all to the friend in Ferguson who she was allegedly visiting that day? That makes no sense, either.
MS. Heavily medicated with what?
He's [ ] and he's on like three or four different medications.
MS. Okay. When did you tell him what happened?
Almost immediately after because I gave him step by step instructions on how to get there and everything that happened.
MS. What do you mean?
I told him everything. And the first thing he said was, you know, better not tell nobody.
MS. Why not?
Because he doesn't want anybody to cause any problems for the [ ].
MS. Why did you think your would have problems?
By this time, I mean, this was because that happened Saturday, this would have been Sunday, and by this time you already had death threats on whoever did it, I guess, is what he says. I don't know, we don't have cable.
[MS.] You don't have cable, but do you have the internet?
Yes.
MS. Do you look at the news at all?
I did for about the first week and then it drove me nuts and that's all there is.
MS. Did you consider reporting what you saw to either St. Louis County or the FBI, it took you a while to come forward?
It's been a long time. I didn't consider it, not really at first.
MS. Why?
Because I didn't want anything to do with it. In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, I felt like the officer does his job and it just kept going on, and on and on and on, and it was like.
MS. Yeah, well, I guess this is my question. You said you were (inaudible) you know where the attention was?
That is where I learned the name and which one was which.
MS. So not only was there a lot of attention nationally and all of that, there was actually riots going on and not far away from where you live, right?
Yeah, I I knew, I heard about them.
MS. My next question is right when you came in earlier, you know, from your dad to come in and do the right thing and that's why --
There is a difference…
MS. All right. So explain what's right and…
…that's what ultimately made me come in. But at the time I just, I mean, at the time I just didn't want to be in the middle of it. I still don't want to be in the middle of it.
MS. I don't think nobody ever does no matter what the investigation, right, whether it gets media attention or not. But so -- so giving what you're saying where your dad, you know, tells you and all of that and doing the right thing, but you're saying it never even dawned on you to come in and report it?
I didn't say it didn't dawn on me, I mean, yeah, because it's, you don't get into the middle of an officer and his job. Do you know what I mean? Does that make sense?
MS. I understand what you are saying, but yet …
That's what finally broke me was the fact that it just kept going and going and going. Every time you logged onto Facebook or any of the news websites, that's all there was. Nothing existed but Ferguson.
MS. Okay. What prompted you to call St. Louis, that's what you did, right, you called St. Louis County [Police] too, right?
Correct.
MS. So what prompted you to call them?
I actually called a few times before that and then I guess I made a comment that went too far.
MS. What sort of comment?
I have no idea. I called Clayton and made the comments, you know, about the situation.
MS. Like what, like what sorts of comments? You don't have to tell me like word for word.
Just that the officer had done his job and that, you know, he had been hit. I don't know word for word, because this is back in August.
MS. So you called Clayton, you called Clayton where?
From my cell phone.
MS. Okay. Did you call the police department?
Clayton nonemergency police department.
MS. Okay. You did this how soon after the shooting?
Probably within the first day or two, well, Tuesday, so one, two, I believe the first three or four days.
MS. This is why I'm confused. Because first you are saying you didn't really consider reporting it, but yet you were calling information out and then commenting. So tell me what's going on.
I did. But when I commented, not give them my name. I did not want anything to do with it, it is a different type of violence, it is a different type of people.
MS. What do you mean?
The situation is scary.
MS. We are not judging you at all, we just need to know.
It is not the environment that I grew up in.
MS. What do you mean by that?
It is just not the environment I grew up in. I grew up, you know, from the day I got at five. I grew up right there by and that's where I spent my whole childhood, It was just different, you know. I remember the day I got stopped for jaywalking when I was 13 and the officer threatened to turn me over my knee and take a belt to my rear end, and that was just the way times were back then. And we didn't dare tell them no, it was yes, sir, or we caught it, you know trouble outside the house, we got in trouble inside the house for disrespecting our elders or something else. So to me up there it is just not…
MS. You don't think there is any repercussions for their actions, for anyone's actions.
What do you mean?
MS. Well, you said an officer stopped you for jaywalking and if you did something wrong, you respected it. But if you got in trouble there, you are getting in trouble at home.
Right.
MS. And you're saying that's different because people in North County don't have responsibilities for their actions?
It is not so much North County as it is the times.
MS. For anyone?
The situation that I had witnessed is not the same as what it was, is not the environment that I live in.
MS. So you didn't want to tell us.
I didn't want anything to do with it, I still don't. I know it doesn't make any sense. I want to tell you because it is the right thing to do. I don't because I don't want to get in the middle of it.
She ‘doesn’t want anything to do with it’, and yet she is repeatedly calling police anonymously, posting racist statements on Facebook, and forms an organization to raise money for Darren Wilson and send him Christmas cards from schools? This is bullshit.
[snipped. . . ]
p.143
Did you say at the beginning you talked to after this?
Correct.
What did you tell her?
I told her I got lost up in the Ferguson area and that's all I said. She never really asked and we agreed that we would get back together, but we never have…
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[snipped...]
p.146
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You have her email address also?
At home, yes.
You said you sent her an email also after that.
Yes.
Did you say anything in the email about this?
I emailed her the day I got lost. I got lost and I will get in touch with her in a few days.
Do you still have that email, do you know?
Sure, I mean, somebody could get it off of my computer.
Just like go into your Sent items or whatever?
No, everything is gone as far as that goes.
Why is that?
I mean deleted.
Okay.
I don't do the fancy stuff like wipe hard drives or anything.
It might still be on there somewhere?
Right.
You think after we leave here today, we're probably going to take a break here and talk a little bit before we finish up, but after we leave here today, do you think you could get us her email address and phone number?
Uh-huh, yes.
[short break, resumes]
When I get nervous I have a tendency of cracking my knuckles, so I apologize in advance. You are going to hear a lot of that later on.
So we just have some more questions to just help us understand some stuff.
Okay.
WTF? She is so careful about writing down the events that evening, but then she deletes all the emails that would have confirmed her story? This is bullshit.
[snipped . . .]
Next, she gets caught up in a lie about where she allegedly drove that day. It turns out the road is blocked that she claims she took. Evidently she made it up based on a Mapquest map. But the FBI checked, and the road has long been blocked.
p.153
Our job as prosecutors, you know, we're trying to decide, you know, we're among the people who would decide whether this case is charged or whether it is not or whether it would go to trial or not, okay?
Okay.
So we have to evaluate witness as we sit here.
She's making me nervous like I told her the wrong way.
Oh, no.
I only know I went that way.
We're not worried about the details when you turn left or right whatever.
Okay.
There are a few things that do concern us some, okay, and just to be upfront with you.
Okay.
We want to let you know that basically what you are telling us is that you went further down into the apartment complex and you were able to get out that way without going back the way you came?
Correct.
There is no way out that way, that's the thing. We've got investigators who have been up there plenty and know all of those streets and...
Yeah, there is because when you go around that thing, there is buildings and buildings and you go right through that parking lot.
Uh-huh.
And it pops out on a street that goes along the QT.
MS. Right now, here is kind of a map of the area. I think that's the circle you are talking about, here is Canfield Drive, here is the way you can't get, there is a blockade here and there is a blockade there. The only way to get out once you go down this street is to go all the way down here. And it has been that way a long time, long before August 9th and it is that way today. You cannot get out through that circle.
I came out…
Okay. Well, …
…right there because QT is right there.
MS. Right, correct, but you cannot get there from these two streets, it is impossible.
And there is around the corner I went somewhere because …
MS. The street, the QT goes here and you cannot get to those streets. There are blockades, because we've had investigators try to get out on Canfield and you just can't.
I don't know, I know for a fact I popped out on the side of QT.
MS. Okay.
I can't change that because that's where I popped out at. How I got there, I don't know, but that is how I came out.
MS. You have a tremendous level of detail in some respects, but then very little detail in very simple things that I'm not quite understanding.
I don't know the area. I apologize if I'm screwing it up, I just remember I came out alongside QT.
MS. Right.
I know I didn't go the same way that I did. Did I zigzag and end up how I got there, I really don't know. That's just an example, I mean, there are a few other things. I could go back up there, not that I want to, but I could.
Let me ask you this, we talked about your computer and your emails earlier. [ ] You think after you leave here you can get us [ ] email address and phone number? [ her friend that she was allegedly visiting]
Yes, sir.
Would she tell us that you were coming to see her that day?
Um, I don't know what she would tell you, but she definitely tell you that I had, we were going to, oh, yeah, okay.
Did she know to expect you that day if we asked her to come in and we said to her, were you expecting your friend to come visit you on August 9th?
I don't know.
What would she say?
She knows I was on my way.
What were the two of you going to do that day?
She has a [daughter?] the same age as my [ ] and we really want the two kids to meet, but I wanted to get to see her, I haven't seen her since 1988.
Why do you hesitate about what she'd answer, what would you expect to say? Were you expecting?
I don't know if she'll remember if she was actually, because it was nothing, we had her address, I told her I was going to try to stop by. You know, did she really expect me at a given time on that day? I don't know. But she will be able to tell you that she knew that I was headed that way that day after the fact, does that make sense?
Her friend will only 'know' she was coming 'after the fact'? After the riots, when she emailed and told her that she had been coming but got lost? So the friend didn't know in advance that she was coming for lunch? This makes no sense.
She knew you were on your way?
I don't know what she knows.
So you didn't make a plan?
It wasn't an actual, I will be here at 2:00 I will be here at 1:00 p.m.
Had you emailed her beforehand to say I might stop by?
Yes.
So that email should be on your computer too?
Yes, ma'am.
Would you give us permission to look on your computer?
Yes.
What if we looked at your search history, were you doing a lot of reading about the case and looking at articles about it?
I was for about a week or whatever trying to find out as much information as I could as far as, you know, where was it going.
What about like in the last few days or in the week or so?
It would have been just this past week.
Did you read about it in just this past week?
As far as like what, are you asking if I what?
Did you do internet searches about the Ferguson shooting, about Dorian Johnson, about Michael Brown?
I did maybe one or two searches about Dorian Johnson, that's the skinnier one. And then when you do a search for any of that, the easiest way to do is just type in Mike Brown because everything comes up then.
MS. You think you have done it in the last few days?
Yes.
MS. You did some searching before you talked to the County detectives?
Um, yeah, yes, I'm sorry.
MS. Do you remember a specific articles that you read?
No, I don't do well reading and this is why I told, that's why I was held back and that's why I told the officer that I didn't think I was the best witness.
MS. All right. Can I ask you something about that?
Because of the reading.
MS. What do you mean about the reading, why you wouldn't be the best witness?
Reading is not the easiest thing.
MS. Okay.
I mean, it's, it does not. And then when I start to read the words get jumbled and I get bored.
MS. Okay.
I don't know if that's [ ] or what, but I become frustrated with it and I just won't read it. I'll skip and I'll get hit and miss stuff, and then I will just say forget it and I'll it out.
MS. What about, do you take any sort of like, is there any reason that medication would affect your ability to remember things or recall things or receive things?
I went to [ ] through the [ ].
MS. Okay. You said somebody was born in [ ]?
[ ]
MS. You said …
It was a head-on collision.
MS. Did you have a traumatic injury from that?
[ ]
I had and then the short term memory still is affected, and then the word thought process, like what's in my brain doesn't come out of my mouth properly.
MS. Can you tell me about the short term memory, what kinds of stuff do you forget?
I get lost really easy.
MS. Okay.
For a while it was really bad. Like I would go for a walk, I grew up in at the time of the accident. And I took a two block walk to [ ] and got lost and didn't know how to get home.
MS. How does that affect your memory on a day-to-day basis?
On a day-to-day basis, I will never remember your name, numbers are ridiculous. I will never remember numbers. Unless I deal with something day-to-day or it's a traumatic experience, 99 percent of the time I will forget.
MS. Okay. And so is it possible that there were things you forgot from this that you want to refresh your memory by looking at things to make sure that your memory stayed intact for that?
You want me to look at things?
MS. No, I want to know was your memory, does your memory problems affect ...
My memory was affected by where I was standing because I remember standing in front of a building, with the parking lot and a parking lot and a fire hydrant across the street. But I kept, I remember being on the officer's driver's side. But I could not remember, you know, which parking lot or which way I went to get back to QT.
MS. Do you take medication?
Not any more. I used to have to take [ ].
MS. Do you take any sort of medication now that would affect your ability to remember things or
No, no, I'm not on any medication, no.
MS. Okay. One of the questions I have was the guy that you spoke to that you were going to ask directions for, what did you say he was wearing?
Heavy set, green shirt with braids.
MS. Okay. So you know before had mentioned there were things we were having trouble kind of putting the pieces together and in your previous statement when you spoke to the guy you described this guy as wearing a, the same color wife beater shirt.
That's what Dorian Johnson had on.
MS. Okay. You also said that the guy that you were talking to was wearing that wife beater shirt.
Okay. I don't, I know he had a green shirt and he was heavy set.
MS. Okay.
I might have talked to somebody else.
The searches online that you may have seen, does this look familiar to you at all? Would you have seen that if you were searching, does that look familiar to you?
Yes.
Okay.
Because I was trying to figure out if that was the gold thing that I had seen.
Note: a right-wing site made a big deal about the dropped gold bracelet, here:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/... (
archived here) This is likely the web page that Witness #40 read, before she testified. It seems likely that she incorporated this into her story and into her fabricated ‘journal’. She can't remember so many things, but this little factoid she remembers -- a gold bracelet, that so happens to be on a website that she acknowledges reading? And it just so happens to be mentioned in her short journal that she doesn't tell anyone about until the very, very end? This is bullshit.
Okay.
That's what I asked you before, right, that's what I was wondering if you used if you looked or used the article.
I'm sorry.
MS. Did you look online to remember things?
Yes, yes, ma'am because I remember the gold thing and the officer's car. I remember it coming off, a gold thing coming off Dorian's right wrist and, yeah, I remember looking at this.
Okay. So what did you search to get to that article?
I have no idea, Mike Brown, Mike Brown shooting or Mike Brown shooting in Ferguson. I think I searched the name Darren Wilson a couple of times because I was trying really hard to figure out how... You know, but other than that, I've never searched.
Did you say earlier the friend that you were going to go by her house, you Is that when you …
[ ]
Okay, all right. How did you guys get in contact initially?
Facebook.
Okay.
She's on my friends list.
Okay. So you know what, (inaudible) you give us to look at?
Facebook, oh, yes, ma'am.
Okay.
That's just an article we're showing you. Can we take one more quick break, I don't want to take up a lot of your time. If we just pause for a minute, we'll be right back, okay.
Okay.
(The interview takes a break at this point.)
(Resuming of the audio interview of [ ] )
We're going to wrap things up here in just a minute, thanks for your time.
Okay.
you know what, we have been through your account, obviously, especially the news article we just showed you. You know what, here is the thing, I know there's so much been going in the community around here and people that just want to help in either way. And so I just need to ask, what you told us sounds a lot like what we have read in the newspaper.
I haven't read any of that, I swear to God on a stack of Bibles, I looked at pictures to try to figure out which way I left the neighborhood and where I was parked.
We know that you looked at that article that we just showed you because we just showed --
I looked at the picture, I swear, I swear I did not read any articles.
We know that you read articles, and that's fine.
Well, no, like this, I know, yes, I looked at that, I looked at that multiple times because I was trying to figure out if that's the gold thing that I seen.
What we are trying to determine here, and you're not in any kind of trouble. ...
I swear I have not ...
That's fine. You are not in any kind of trouble. What we need to be able to do out of fairness the witnesses to this, okay, is just to be able to tell you is what you are telling us doesn't add up in with some ways, okay.
Okay.
And that's our concern. Listen, I know this has been all over the media, it's been all over the internet. And you talked before about how you did go back, and you know, it is human nature to want to go back and look at what's going on about this thing, okay. Right.
Our concern is that maybe you were very much sort of emersed [sic] in going through this on the internet, or whatever. And you're hear and you think you are trying to help, but maybe that you didn't see everything that you said that you saw, okay. And it is important for us to be able to determine who is telling us exactly what they say and who might have just seen some things and sort of put those together.
I'm not 100 percent sure where I was parked.
That's fine, we're not concerned about where you were parked.
Refresh my memory on where I was parked and the MapQuest that you showed me, when you do get down and get close, I used that to help me figure out how I got out of there.
Right, that's our concern is because on a map it looks like you could get out the way that you've described.
I don't know how I got out.
Yeah, I understand that. Those are details, okay. The point is are you 100 percent sure that you were up there that day. That's our big question, okay. If you're not sure about that, we just need to know that, all right?
I was there that day, I just don't remember how I got in and how I got out. I don't remember, you know, I didn't hear words that were said or anything like that. I remember, can I look at this?
MS. Yeah, go ahead.
I remember looking at this because I was trying to figure out if that was the gold thing, what it was. And then I remember watching that a half dozen times.
Did you comment on this article, did you send any comments?
When this first happened, I made comments for the first few weeks. Some were really obnoxious, some were pretty vulgar and then I realized that that is not the Christian thing to do.
You talking about actually typing comments?
On Facebook.
On Facebook, okay. What sort of comments did you make?
I used the N word a few times, a half a dozen times. I used the F word a few times. I was not, I was having a hard time dealing with what I did see and trying to remember things that I knew I seen, but I couldn't remember.
That's what we're worried about. It is understandable you said you have memory problems, if you are trying to fill in the gaps by using the internet and reading things, is that possible?
That is possible. I know what I seen though, I know that I seen the altercation in the car and I know I seen the shot that killed him.
But a lot of what you told us today you've actually had to fill in the blanks because your memory problems by looking at the internet.
As far as where I park and I how I got in and out, yes. And where I was standing, I remember being in front of that building and the only thing I remember is there was a fire hydrant right across the street, that I do remember.
MS. Did you notice any other cars in the area, any other people standing around?
When I left over here, when I was over here, there was a really nice yellow car, really nice.
MS. It the parking lot or in the street? Half and half. It was like it had pulled in this way, because I couldn't get out that way at first.
MS. Out of the third parking lot?
Correct.
MS. I'm talking about in the area, a lots of people were in that area and you said you saw lots of people around, but other than that guy you were standing right next to as you are watching this scene unfold, did you see cars on either side of the street because it is noon, there's going to be cars there that want to come through.
There was that and then over here there was a white car, I think it was a two-door and then there was that really nice yellow car. I remember thinking it was really sweet.
MS. Right behind the white car, Two-door car.
No, I remember the yellow car being in the third parking lot. Like it just had pulled in.
MS. So the white two-door car, was that really close to where?
There was another car there too because that entrance was blocked, I could not 5 go out right away.
MS. The third entrance?
Correct. The white car with the two door –
This is something else I want to ask you about. These pictures here, neither of those are your car, right?
No, I remember being it like white.
I'm talking about your car, would that be your car?
Oh, my car. What kind of car is that?
What kind of car is yours?.
That's like a small sort of station wagon? [ ] Yeah says it's a station wagon.
Okay. But neither of these is your car; is that right?
No, sir. Doesn't look like it, I don't have tinted windows.
Okay. And these are two different cars here.
I thought you were asking me what it looked like the car that I seen.
Yeah, no, I'm talking about your car. Neither of these pictures is your car; is that right?
No, sir. My car that was I in was there.
It is actually out there today, right?
Yes.
It's a [ ]
It is a [ ] .
And that's the thing is, we, you know, were aware of your previous statement and the investigators went back and pulled pictures of any cars that would have been going down the street when all of this happened that day. There doesn't appear to be any car that matches the description of your car. That was another concern that we had as it appears that this car was not there at the time that this happened.
Okay, well, I was there.
How do you explain that?
I don't know how I got in and out. I don't know what cameras took pictures.
Whoa. There is no video of her on the scene. She walked into a gas station and "talked to a gentleman that was pumping gas" (her words), and later she exited through that gas station. But there is no video of her car nor her. The FBI looked for her car on videos and can't find it.
Next, she admits she used the internet to 'remind' her of details, like the gold bracelet.
Okay. Is it fair to say at least that at least some of your account you have had to go back and find that information on the internet in order to fill in the blanks; is that right?
Yes, sir, because like here I was trying to figure out if that was the gold thing I seen. This one I remember looking at because I was trying to figure out which hand it was because I knew it was the hand that had nothing on it.
Okay. But some of the details in your account you have had to go back on the internet to get those details?
Not what I seen, just details as far as the way cars were positioned, yes, and where I was located and how the parking lot.
Some of the other things that you talked about, the bracelet and those things?
Well, the bracelet I remember. That I know that he had on and I watched that come off and I don't know if that's it or not, but that's what I was looking for, yes. I was trying to figure out where (inaudible) and so forth. I couldn't remember if it was the right or the left. I couldn't remember actually where it landed, but I do remember it fell off his wrist cause I remember him trying to pick it up. I remember looking at this, I'm sorry, because I was trying to figure out what parking lot I was in.
Okay. You are talking about a picture that's in the article that we showed you?
In this one?
Yeah.
Is that the same article? I was more into the pictures.
Okay.
Because I was trying to figure out, you know, because there's the first building parking lot, parking lot and there is a way to get over to this third parking lot.
All right.
So I don't know, I mean, I don't know how I got out. I mean, I could have ended up going in circles and I could have ended up going over here, I don't know.
MS. Just kind of go onto after it happened, you were making some comments, you were really angry. You said you used the N word, what kind of comments would you make when you used it?
Word for word?
MS. Uh-uh.
They need to kill the fucking niggers. It is like an ape fest, and then, it just, it is just not right. It is just not right. So I put my, focused my energy into [ ] with a couple of Wilson supporters and we made [ ] and we have been collecting donations and we have schools making homemade Christmas cards.
Pause for air. This is Witness #40.
You are doing what you can to help Darren Wilson?
Right, I quit posting on any, you know.
MS. Okay. But when you did post, can you give me that user name you used? Did you
just use your …
Yeah, I don't Twitter, I don't know how.
MS. Okay.
I think I have Twittered three times in my entire life.
MS. And is your name
Yeah, my [ ] is the blue
The...
...have no idea what my banner is.
MS. You said EIN number, what is that?
[ ]
Social Security account number for a business.
Right, you can apply through the IRS and make it nonprofit.
If you are going to buy and sell and do things, then you need something called that?
I don't need a they said because we're not doing that, all we're doing is straight up collecting donations for, like we have [ ] is making homemade Christmas cards.
MS. Okay.
[ ] is decorating homemade Christmas box.
MS. How many people are in this organization that you formed?
Three. There is myself [ ] cell phone, and then another girl that keeps saying she wants to be in it. I have a ton of emails with her, but her husband won't let her. Her name is [ ].
MS. [ ] what?
I don't know.
MS. Do you have position in this organization, there is two of you?
Two of us are the [ ] .
MS. Okay.
And the ETN number things is in my name.
MS. What's the name?
The [web] page?
MS. Yeah.
[ ] and then it is nonprofit, and we label that it is nonprofit.
MS. You just started this after the shooting?
Correct.
MS. How long after the shooting did you start it?
I don't know when the [ ] was created in August. I don't know when the page itself was created. I believe the was created in August, or whatever. And then it got changed to [ ].
MS. Okay.
Actually, only been doing with that name for what, a few weeks now.
Basically, you are doing what you can to kind of help Darren Wilson with all of these efforts, is that fair?
I think a lot of the [ ] is kind of selfish. It was more for myself being, because I do support law enforcement and I felt bad with what I had [ ] I can't [ ].
In coming in here and talking to us, are you trying to help Darren Wilson by talking to us here today?
I don't know if that helps him or not.
Okay. You mention before that your [ ] husband, [ ], is that right?
Uh-huh.
Have you had any kind of similar issues at all?
I was diagnosed as [ ] when I was 15.
Okay.
I'm not medicated for that. That is one of the things that they say later on in life they said which also interferes with my ability to focus on reading and so forth. But as I got older and worked my way through therapy.
Okay. Listen, it was good to meet you today and thank you for your time.
I'm sorry if I wasted
No, you didn't
I know what I seen, I know you don't believe me. As far as being out there, I know I probably searched too much to try to refresh my memory.
It is not a matter of believing you, it is difficult when you say to us that you are posting things online that people might consider racist.
It is racist and that's why I turned to the other thing.
So you are posting racist things online and you are telling us, you know, and you are telling us, you know, your account and then there are videos that doesn't show your car. And then there is a map that shows you couldn't left the way you left from.
I don't know how I left.
But, obviously, we find out what people's motivations are when you say you posted things online that are racist and you come in here and tell us an account that supports Darren Wilson. We're not saying …
Well, it is not for Darren Wilson, it is all first responders. Because we do fire department, we do EMS, or whatever, and local law enforcement. We do not focus, we do not post on Darren Wilson.
You raised money for Darren Wilson.
No, we're doing it for the local law enforcement that have been dealing with the riots, not Wilson himself.
All right. But as you said in your first statement, I mean, you may not be the best witness because of your memory problems and the other issues that you have.
Right, oh, I know that.
Okay.
And in part why I didn't come forward.
Okay. I know you said that you think we don't believe you, but do you think overall we treated you fairly here today?
Oh, I do yes, ma'am. I have no problems with, you all make me nervous as heck.
Okay.
I have no problems with law enforcement, even the officer that was forced to arrest me when I grabbed the wrong checkbook.
Okay. Did we force you to say anything you didn't want to say?
No, ma'am.
MS. Okay. I'm going to end the recording. The time 3:52 p.m.
[That recording was played to the grand jury. Then Witness #40 is called in to testify to the grand jury and to answer questions.]
MS. WHIRLEY: So that ends the recording of It is approximately 1:43 p.m. October 23rd, 2014. Let me go get that witness.
[witness sworn in] of lawful age, having been first duly sworn to testify the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in the case aforesaid, deposes and says in reply to oral interrogatories, propounded as follows, to?wit: EXAMINATION
BY MS. ALIZADEH: Could you please introduce yourself to the grand jurors?
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Fast forward past her 'testimony', 30+ pages of it. Not until the very end does she ever mention that she 'wrote down' events that day. This is truly unbelievable. She was calling county police the first week, and she was interviewed by them. She was interviewed by the FBI for 1.5 hours. She is called in to testify the next day. And only at the very end of that last day does she mention for the first time that she'd written down the events, she claims on Aug 9???? Truly, there are some things one finds hard to believe, but this one is just impossible. ]
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MS. ALIZADEH: Let's do this, let's break. I'm sorry, we have to break at 2:30 today because of other obligations that the grand jurors have and I'm going to walk her out to a waiting room. Why don't you all discuss if you would like to have her come back on a day next week and we'll see about what we can do help get her back here. And then I'll come back, before know if you want to have her return.
[Witness #40:] Can I ask one question or may I?
MS. ALIZADEH: Is it of them or me?
Just a general question, I guess --
MS. ALIZADEH: We can …
-- I guess for them too. On August 9th after this happened when I got home, I wrote everything down on a piece of paper, would that be easier if I brought that in?
MS . ALIZADEH: Sure. Sure, why not.
Because that's how I make sure I don't get things confused because then it will be word for word.
MS. ALIZADEH: Sure. Okay.
(End of the Grand Jury Hearing Volume 15.)
And the testimony ends for that day, adjourned.
Her 'journal' entry from August 9 is in the grand-jury documents, here:
http://www.documentcloud.org/... It begins:
Witness #40 'journal' allegedly from Aug 9
Witness #40, re gold bracelet
Witness #40. Did she commit perjury?
To me, it is clearly an after-the-fact creation, written to buttress Darren Wilson's version of events.
If you've read her interview and testimony, especially the bold sections, there's not much more I can add. This witness is totally discredited and IMHO her 'testimony' should never have been admitted to the grand jury. (If the defense wanted to bring it up in a trial, that would be fine, and then she would be subject to cross-examination by the prosecution.) Lets at least give credit to the FBI agents or whoever interviewed her and who clearly saw through her lies.
What else is there to say?
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Update: don't miss these followup diaries by Shaun King and VetGrl, also about Witness 40:
Hannity's favorite witness for Darren Wilson is a self-admitted racist with severe memory loss (with video of just how often Sean Hannity relies on the liar Witness-40, and a dissection of just how implausible is her alleged 'journal' from that day)
and
Witness 40: The Rest of the Story, All the Way to the Bottom of the Bus