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So parts of the Islamic world flew into a rage on 911 over the sudden but year long revelation of an obscure film made a year ago.  The film, entitled "The Innocence of Muslims" was supposedly made by a Jewish/Israeli real estate mogul/developer in CA by the name of Sam Bacile.  "Sam" or a man claiming to be "Sam" gave an interview yesterday with the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) making a number of claims, claims which triggered my bullshit meter.   Naturally I had some questions and here they are with a few answers.

Please feel free to ask your own questions, encourage others to as well, and dig deeper for answers.

Claim: There is someone named "Sam Bacile."
Answer: There is a YouTube Video of with a clip from the movie that was uploaded by a user named "Sam Bacile."

Claim: In an interview with WSJ and picked up by AP along with hundreds of other news outlets, "Sam Bacile" claims to be a CA real estate mogul/developer.
Answer: Doing a google search, I can't find anyone by that name, CA or otherwise.  This might be because I am a bad searcher, someone else might find what I can't, but calling a few attorney friends I know who deal in real estate, etc, none knew of him off the bat.

Claim: The movie was made with a budget of $5 million dollars and a production crew of 45 people.
Answer: Internet Movie Database (IMDB) lists productions as well as credits.  There is no one named Sam Bacile in any capacity, no movie listed as "Innocence of Muslims."  If one is willing to risk losing brain cells, go to youtube and look at the clips from this movie and tell me if you think this was a $5 million dollar budget film.   My guess is that it was made for $5000 and a production crew of writer/director, a videographer/lighting person and editor.

Claim: The movie was shown in a movie theatre in Hollywood last year.
Answer: Really? Which one?  Was it a real theatre or was it a rented hall space with chairs set up.  If it was shown in a real movie house, which one was it? And how did someone without a distribution deal get it shown?  If they rented an independent theater for the night, who was it that put the money up, or negotiated the deal?  

Claim: "Sam Bacile" during his several interviews with MainStream Media (MSM) yesterday claimed to be 52 and 56 years old, a Jewish American/Israeli Citizen.
Answer:  You would think someone knows how old they are, giving 2 different ages in separate interviews raises suspicions.  Who knows if this "Sam Bacile" is actually Jewish or not, but Israeli sources were quick to point out that they don't know of a "Sam Bacile" as an Israeli citizen.   http://www.timesofisrael.com/...

Claim: In his WSJ interview "Sam" claimed that his film was produced with the help of 100 Jewish donors.
Answer:  Hmmmm.  First off, anyone in Hollywood knows that getting backers to produce a film is hard.  100 people is a lot of people unless by donors "Sam" is meaning people who donated $20.   Finding out who these supposed Jewish donors are is going to be as successful as finding out all the shadow donors are to PACS after Citizens United or getting a hold of Mitt Romney's taxes, but isn't curious that all the donors identified were supposedly Jewish?   Bullshit meter set to high.

So what we have SO FAR, is a man who is claiming to be a Jewish American Israeli citizen real estate mogul film maker who with the support of 100 Jewish donors and a $5 million dollar budget produces a crap film that shows on YouTube but was supposedly shown in a theatre as well.  Uh huh.

What we DO know is that there IS a "consultant" to the film by the name of Steven Klein.   Now Steven Klein, unlike Sam Bacile is actually traceable.   Here's a photo of the guy.

Steven Klein

Notice the copyright on the photo?  Courageous Christians United.  Steven Klein is listed as the CEO as well as founder for the group.  And what is the purpose of the group and who is Steven Klein?

Courageous Christians United can be found on the web and they apparently run anti-Islam, anti-Catholic as well as anti-Mormon sites.  

But there is more to Steven Klein.  He's been active in protesting the construction of mosques in the Southern CA area...http://www.nctimes.com/...

More than 100 Chaparral High School students received fliers Friday afternoon from a group opposed to plans for the construction of a mosque in Nicolas Valley, a rural community in the northeast corner of Temecula.

....

The other flier said students are being subjected to "serious brainwashing," and it urged students to "exercise your First Amendment rights to be well informed" and visit websites, including one that purported to show an Arab terrorist....

The group handing out the fliers included Steve Klein, a San Jacinto man who has staged similar events in Southern California; Jim Horn, a Menifee-based author, and Ernie White, a Temecula resident who has spoken out against the planned mosque at public meetings

Southern Poverty Law Center has a report in which Steven Klein is listed
In a 22-acre compound at the southern edge of Sequoia National Park in California, a secretive cohort of militant Christian fundamentalists is preparing for war. One of the men helping train the flock in the art of combat, a former Marine named Steve Klein, believes that California is riddled with Muslim Brotherhood sleeper cells “who are awaiting the trigger date and will begin randomly killing as many of us as they can.”

“I know I’m getting prepared to shoot back,” Klein says.

At the head of the Church at Kaweah is Pastor Warren Mark Campbell, who sees yet another enemy on the horizon: the “New World Order,” that chimera of the conspiracists who populate the resurgent, antigovernment “Patriot” movement.

From this in depth report from the SPC there is some alarming information on Steven Klein:
Over the past year, Johnson and the church militia have developed a relationship with Steve Klein, a longtime religious-right activist who brags about having led a “hunter killer” team as a Marine in Vietnam. Klein, who calls Islam a “penis-driven religion” and thinks Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca is a Muslim Brotherhood patsy, is allied with Christian activist groups across California. In 2011, as head of the Concerned Citizens for the First Amendment, he worked with the Vista, Calif.-based Christian Anti-Defamation Commission on a campaign to “arm” students with the “truth about Islam and Muhammad” — mainly by leafleting high schools with literature depicting the Prophet Mohammed as a sex-crazed pedophile.

Klein, based in Hemet, Calif., has been active in extremist movements for decades. In 1977, he founded Courageous Christians United, which now conducts “respectful confrontations” outside of abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques. Klein also has ties to the Minuteman movement. In 2007, he sued the city of San Clemente for ordering him to stop leafleting cars with pamphlets opposing illegal immigration.

In addition to working with Johnson and the Church at Kaweah’s militia, Klein conducts drills with the Christian Guardians, a San Francisco-based group headed by Andrew Saqib James, an American-born Pakistani Christian who calls Islam “a giant crime syndicate” and hopes his group will become “the most feared militia in the world.” For the past year, the Church at Kaweah’s website has advertised joint trainings with the Christian Guardians and other likeminded groups. Based at the church’s sprawling grounds, the series of trainings is described as a “unique system of learning how to survive the Muslim Brotherhood as we teach the Christian Morality of Biblical Warfare.”

So maybe who is really behind the "Innocence of Muslims" aren't Jewish donors, an Israeli citizen, but really a militant, Christian militia group looking to stir up violence in pursuit of their stated goals.  A holy war between Christians, Jews and Muslims.

Maybe in the interests of getting the story published first, the MSM and by that I mean the WSJ and AP got punked by these guys posing as "Sam Bacile."

There  are more questions, more coincidences that make my bullshit meter go off as well.  How did this low budget English speaking production get translated into Arabic?

How did protests for this film  explode on 911?  What incited it? WHO incited it?

Hopefully, some investigative journalists start looking into these questions more deeply.

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  •  those are the questions I have been asking myself. (2+ / 0-)
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    Bob Love, ProChoiceGrandma

    who has the power and money to disseminate this video widely within the muslim world?  who showed this video or pointed it out to the people of cairo, libya, tunisia?  how is it that it's supposed target, american people, have never heard of it?  who benefits from the conflict and deaths of our diplomats?  are there agents provocateurs involved?  
    why does this coincide with netanyahu's visit and 9/11?  why did romney feel so compelled to strike quickly?  who notified him or advised him to do so?  something is stinky here....

    "Fear is the Mind Killer"--Frank Herbert

    by vmm918 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 12:31:04 PM PDT

  •  Just came here from (1+ / 0-)
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    Joieau

    this article.

    "Gussie, a glutton for punishment, stared at himself in the mirror."

    by GussieFN on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 12:31:55 PM PDT

  •  Very interesting. Sounds like the entire MSM (3+ / 0-)
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    Lost and Found, MKSinSA, hanswall

    has a huge homework assignment due ... immediately.

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 12:32:49 PM PDT

  •  I can't evaluate most of your points but (3+ / 0-)
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    Bob Love, dougymi, hanswall

    based on the trailer, this one sure looks right:

    My guess is that it was made for $5000 and a production crew of writer/director, a videographer/lighting person and editor.

    Michael Weissman UID 197542

    by docmidwest on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 12:37:50 PM PDT

  •  Pieces of the puzzle. If he had $5 mil. for a very (3+ / 0-)
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    MKSinSA, Bob Love, hanswall

    low-budget movie, then he probably could afford to have it translated into Arab.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 12:37:51 PM PDT

  •  Here's a crazy thought (0+ / 0-)
    Klein conducts drills with the Christian Guardians, a San Francisco-based group headed by Andrew Saqib James, an American-born Pakistani Christian who calls Islam “a giant crime syndicate” and hopes his group will become “the most feared militia in the world.”
    If I were of a more conspiratorial bent, I would hypothesize that the militants who attacked the Consulate were not necessarily entirely Islamic in nature.

    But such speculation is pointless and has little if any bearing on reality.

    You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

    by Johnny Q on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 12:45:31 PM PDT

    •  Klein said that Bacile is a pseudonym - DailyMail (2+ / 0-)
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      http://www.splcenter.org/...

      Steve Klein, who served as a consultant for the Islam-bashing film that sparked the deadly assault on a U.S. Consulate in Libya, is a longtime religious-right activist who has helped train paramilitary militias at a secretive church in California.
      Klein told the UK’s Daily Mail that Bacile is a pseudonym and that he knows little about the filmmaker but that he is committed to the film, “like the rest of us.” Klein said that he did not feel guilty about Stevens’ death. “It’s not our fault, we told the truth,” he said.
  •  More information on Morris Sadek, who (6+ / 0-)

    has been publicizing the movie.

    American Who Sparked Libya, Egypt Unrest Hates Obama, Hearts the GOP

    Morris Sadek, an Egyptian-American anti-Muslim activist, managed in one week’s time to take an overlooked YouTube video featuring a lame attack on Islam and turn it into a flashpoint with violent extremists, with deadly consequences. As the New York Times reported last night, Sadek drew attention to the obscure video clip “in an Arabic-language blog post and an e-mail newsletter in English publicizing the latest publicity stunt of the Florida pastor Terry Jones, reviled in the Muslim world for burning copies of the Koran.” Within days the clip was making the rounds in Egypt, prompting denunciations from politicians and generating press coverage, and culminating in protests and a deadly attack in Libya.

    Sadek, who has worked with Jones in the past, says he is fighting for the rights of his fellow Coptic Christians in Egypt.

    ...  Sadek is a man of many interests. He’s a member of these groups, among many others: Islam is of the Devil, Warriors of Christ, and OBAMA IS THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER! Agree?. Sadek is also a fan of the Republican Party, George Bush, Allen West (for president no less!), and number of other Islamophobic, conservative and/or Republican institutions and leaders. Ironically enough, he’s also a fan of the American embassy in Cairo, which was overrun by the protests that he sparked.
    http://www.rightwingwatch.org/...

    It's beginning to appear that this whole thing was planned and orchestrated by a group of far-right Christian militia/ terrorist types whose names are now coming to light.

    I hope this gets intense scrutiny.

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 12:46:09 PM PDT

    •  Yep and Sam Bacile's real name is ... (0+ / 0-)

      .... Steve(n) Klein

      Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again. Karl Popper

      by hanswall on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 01:51:04 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Not according to Klein. (0+ / 0-)

        But something tells me we're gonna find out pretty quickly.

        "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

        by Bob Love on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 01:56:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  It's easy to find out (0+ / 0-)

          when he is asked how much he was paid for his "consultant" work. I bet he will claim he  worked for free.

          Also,  the "translator" Morris (Maurice) Sadek is probably in on this from the very beginning and they named their joint fake producer S(teve)&M(orris) Bacillus/ Bacile to reflect the film's intent to infect minds/ instigate hatred.

          Actually I sort of pity this religious bigot. His hatred for Islam has a very tragic reason. His son served in Iraq and suffered horrific injuries from an IED.

          Good tests kill flawed theories; we remain alive to guess again. Karl Popper

          by hanswall on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 02:12:18 PM PDT

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    •  How must it feel if you are Romney, (0+ / 0-)

      being supported by people of this sort? The Republican party is attracting so much filth, pretty soon nobody is going to want to go anywhere near it.

      "Here's another nice mess you've gotten me into." - Oliver Hardy

      by native on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 04:49:20 PM PDT

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  •  Atlantic and Slate are on this pretty good... (2+ / 0-)
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    The more I read today the more this whole thing sounds so fishy. Do they then basically use Terry Jones as a front, knowing that he is such a lightning rod for this type of controversy.

    Bacile/Klien: "And then we will get Terry Jones to promote the film... They really hate him, hahaha" Sounds plausible to me...

    Is there even a complete film or just the trailer to incite people.

  •  A cusory anagram check yields "camel bias" (1+ / 0-)
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    hanswall

    and "Abscam lie", fwiw.

    Where are we, now that we need us most?

    by Frank Knarf on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 12:59:28 PM PDT

  •  It sounds like they might be anti-Jewish as well. (2+ / 0-)
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    hanswall, native

    This is a militant "Christian" wet dream- Muslims attacking the US State Department in reaction to a movie created by an Israeli Jew. They want a full-fledged war in the Middle East to prepare for the Second Coming, and thi is a good start.

  •  Sam Bacile also doesn't exist over at... (1+ / 0-)
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    Intelius, the public records site.  If he is a real estate developer, then he would likely own a home, which means he'd be listed at Intelius.

    This diary has some of the same things written about the whole issue of Bacile and Klein by Max Blumenthal (see his blog today for the details).

    Failure to Publicize Acts of Hatred Only Allows Them to Fester and Metastasize.

    by BoxerDave on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 01:19:58 PM PDT

  •  Can;t make this up, but do screengrab it or (0+ / 0-)

    ...something.
    Thanx to all who are doing searches and documenting media coverage.

    Might pick up more eyes if there were screen grabs of the search results; MSM loves those visuals.

    "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

    by BlueStateRedhead on Wed Sep 12, 2012 at 02:21:37 PM PDT

  •  A direct attempt to incite violence (0+ / 0-)

    ... and right before the 2012 election.

    Did this man act on his own, or did he work with the connivance of the GOP? Was someone hoping for a repeat of the embassy seizure that brought down the Carter White House?

    Was this an act of treason - an intentional act to put our troops and our diplomats in harms' way?

    Who is the MSM will actually have the guts to follow this to its conclusion? Because the men who would do this to attack Obama and support Romney would certainly be willing to get us involved in a nuclear war in the Middle East. Freepers are already calling for it to start now.

    They say "cut back" - we say "fight back"!

    by Louise on Fri Sep 14, 2012 at 12:09:01 PM PDT

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