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Just now on AC 360, Anderson Cooper had someone from the Israeli government giving us the usual blather.  

Infographics: Where Does Hamas Hide Its Rockets?
       IDF propaganda.
But have a look at this photo.  It shows Israelis watching rocket fire from Gaza.  You may gauge the level of threat felt by these civilians by the fact that two of them are walking their dog, and two more have set up portable lawn chairs as if this were some type of sporting event.  

Oops.  That's not quite the optics that the IDF wants you to get -- see here for their version, complete with bomb craters, children in air raid shelters, and the usual  propaganda.   According to IDF:  

In response to the incessant rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip, – the IDF has launched a widespread campaign against terror targets in Gaza. The operation, called Pillar of Defense, has two main goals: to protect Israeli civilians and to cripple the terrorist infrastructure in Gaza.
Now I fully realize that Hamas is a gang of thugs with a strong stake in escalating the confrontation and no real interest in peace. And certainly rocket bombardment of Israel is danger and needs a response.  But just this once -- should Israel maybe consider whether its response is grossly disproportionate?  Again, you can get the IDF version here:
The IDF is currently engaged in Operation Pillar of Defense against the Hamas and other Palestinian terrorist groups in the Gaza Strip. As a result of Hamas’ strategy of using civilian areas for military purposes, it is inevitable that there will be civilian casualties in Gaza. Nonetheless, the IDF goes to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties and to minimize collateral damage.
It goes on from there.  Oh yes, it's truly humanitarian bombing we're talking about here!  For example, the Daloo family was killed, all 11 of them, including the children, when an Israeli bomb destroyed their house.  Let's hear from the Israelis on this one:
The peroration was magnificent, though difficult to remember, you know. It gave me the notion of an exotic Immensity ruled by an august Benevolence. It made me tingle with enthusiasm. This was the unbounded power of eloquence—of words—of burning noble words. There were no practical hints to interrupt the magic current of phrases, unless a kind of note at the foot of the last page, scrawled evidently much later, in an unsteady hand, may be regarded as the exposition of a method. It was very simple, and at the end of that moving appeal to every altruistic sentiment it blazed at you, luminous and terrifying, like a flash of lightning in a serene sky: 'Exterminate all the brutes!'
Oh dear.  How did that get in there?  I'm sure I meant to include Gilad Sharon's statement that Gaza should be nuked, or at least given the nuke equivalent:
Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn't stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren't surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too."

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  •  Tip Jar (14+ / 0-)

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 08:46:56 PM PST

  •  It's been going on for over 70 years. (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm not going to be able to successfully decide what should happen here tonight.

    I personally love Israel because of what it represents, not because of its actions.  I support Israel because it is needed, not because it is infallible.

    When something has gone on for this long, there will always be a justification on one side or the other for why the killing/bombing/self-defense/whatever term you want to use to characterize the violence MUST continue.

    It's sad.  It's a horrible thing.  It cannot continue forever, but until real forgiveness and willingness to put aside righteous retaliation occurs, it will continue.

    It's not that both sides are guilty.  It's because both sides see themselves as equally righteous.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 09:37:07 PM PST

    •  I used to comment a lot in these kind of diaries. (4+ / 0-)

      I've recognized the futility of doing so. Let's just say I have no longer any hope for Israel, so why bother. For a while now, Israel's just been dead to me.

      And I think most of the international community agree. Cause the cleaning up after each and every Israeli outburst has all the characteristics and feelings of cleaning up after a natural disaster.

      Dissolve Israel; stop distinguishing between jew and non-jew in Palestine.

      by high5 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:37:13 PM PST

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  •  The Horror (1+ / 0-)
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    the horror...

  •  More Like Colonel Kurtz (1+ / 0-)
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    The Israeli policies being advocated here do sound quite a bit like those practiced by Colonel Kurtz from the movie Apocalypse Now.  Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail.

    "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

    by PrahaPartizan on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:19:30 PM PST

  •  Both can be true (2+ / 0-)
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    People die all the time when they stay in an area authorities have told them to leave, often for dumb reasons. Also, I am fairly certain that air raid sirens going off all the time (some days every few minutes) you may get a bit desensitized.

    Israelis tend to take pride in their laid back attitude to dangerous situations. This (satirical) image is a good example of that.

    I ignore most of the propaganda images because I don't think they do anything but reinforce the viewer's preconceived ideas about who is right and who is wrong.

    As for Israel's response, and whether it is proportionate or not - proportionate compared to what standard of warfare? What army in the world would you consider to be the moral standard against which the IDF should be judged?

    Jerusalem Post on the Dalu family:

    Whether or not the army had a good reason for targeting the building, the result was exactly what the government has feared – the deaths of innocent, defenseless Palestinians.
    If Israel does not care, why even report on the deaths of this specific family as just about every Israeli news source has done?

    You then end with the statement of a paid columnist who has nothing to do with official Israeli policy. As I wrote elsewhere, that is like assuming that something Megan McCain sais is US policy.

    If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
    If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
    If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

    by A Gutin Daf on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 10:27:10 PM PST

    •  Sharon (son of the former PM) is a reserve major (6+ / 0-)

      and his opinions are apparently significant enough to consider publishing.  Insofar as that opinion apparently calls for measures against Gaza comparable to attack with atomic weapons, I think it worthy of note.

      It is common for regimes with air superiority sufficient to allow bombing of enemy civilian areas at well to claim that its bombing campaign is somehow so precise that any civilian casualties are the fault of the enemy.  This claim has been advanced repeatedly by the US with regard to drone warfare.  Such claims should always be regarded with skepticism.

      In terms of the nature of the threat of Hamas rockets, certainly there is some, and there have been Israeli casualties caused these attacks.  However, the imagery put forth in IDF propaganda is belied by the photo I linked.

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:20:10 PM PST

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      •  Thank you for being consistent in your approach (1+ / 0-)
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        one of my frustrations is with those who only complain when Israel does something but are silent when the same action, with the same rationale, is taken by our own or another country.

        On the whole I suspect, though I can not assert, that the US has made more "mistakes" than Israel per, say, 1000 bombs dropped.

        A question is whether to approach the situation cynically or not. Were the deaths of the Dalu family a horrible mistake or willful negligence on the Israeli side?

        If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
        If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
        If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

        by A Gutin Daf on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:57:33 PM PST

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    •  Sharon illustrates how some on Israeli side think. (3+ / 0-)

      Enough of the populace that the Jerusalem Post finds his piece a worthwhile contribution to the national dialogue, or at least to morale. Doesn't have to be an official statement to be pernicious.

      With an election coming up, like politicians everywhere Israeli leaders tend to pander to what they think popular sentiment is. Columns like the one quoted go far to validate popular sentiment of an especially extreme kind.

      The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

      by lotlizard on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:15:13 AM PST

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      •  Yes, but (4+ / 0-)

        The usual use of the Sharon quote on DKos today has been to present it as illustrative both of how Israelis as a whole feel and of what the Israeli government ultimately intends to do. Neither of those uses of the quote is valid.

        If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
        If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
        If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

        by A Gutin Daf on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:52:38 AM PST

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        •  Publishing such a column serves as a trial balloon (5+ / 0-)

          Strategists observe the public reaction to such things. Based on those observations, leaders gauge how far they can go — in this case, how much destruction they can wreak weighed against how much adverse effect that would have on Israel's standing in the world.

          Letting a trial balloon like the Hiroshima comparison go by without protest runs the risk of sending the wrong message. To the leaders it says they can go as far as they like, without suffering any consequences. To the world, it says: "Hm, pro-[whichever side] people didn't repudiate that extremist talk, so even if they wouldn't say such a thing themselves, they must feel the extremists speak for them."

          The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

          by lotlizard on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 01:46:20 AM PST

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          •  Singling out one opinion piece to assert this (2+ / 0-)
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            is empirically irresponsible. It is also worth pointing out that Sharon's Jpost editorial has a lot of discussion beneath it and not all of it in the cheerleading section.

            Just perusing ynetnews.com and jpost.com (I don't pay for Haaretz though they are my favorite) it is easy to find even worse pieces that Sharon's but also much better ones. For example, the conclusion of this pieceby Eitan Haber, a close confidant of Yitzhak Rabin's:

            In any event, neither Pillar of Defense nor any other military campaign will solve the difficult problem called the Gaza Strip and the terror organizations which have found and are still finding shelter there.

            There was never, there is no and there will be no military solution for the abscess called the Gaza Strip. If we fail to find the road to a peace agreement, many more of us will still participate in Pillar of Defense 2, Pillar of Defense 3, and so on.
             

            If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
            If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
            If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

            by A Gutin Daf on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:10:05 AM PST

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            •  It's regrettable that Haber chose word "abscess" (4+ / 0-)

              to describe Gaza strip.  While the article is reasonable in tone, this word makes his sentence sound closer to Sharon's "flatten Gaza" remark.

              You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

              by Cartoon Peril on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:48:11 AM PST

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            •  A message may be a non-representative outlier (1+ / 0-)
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              … yet still have an inordinate impact on moving the Overton window, simply by becoming part of public consciousness. Desensitization sets in.

              The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

              by lotlizard on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:49:19 AM PST

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              •  If that is the case (2+ / 0-)
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                then the Overton Window either (a) already moved long ago or (b) can not be moved to this point.

                There has always been a group of Israeli leaders (both within and without govt) calling for a "kill them all" approach to Arabs in general, or at least to Palestinians. Another approach has been to suggest ethnic cleansing through forced relocation to other Arab lands. People have been publicly advocating ideas like these for at least since the 1990s.

                Based on public opinion surveys likethis onethe window has to move a lot further before we would see policies based on ideas like Sharon's.

                If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
                If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
                If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

                by A Gutin Daf on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:03:38 AM PST

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        •  Or to put it another way, it's the Overton window. (3+ / 0-)
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          We've seen how even extreme rhetoric in America from fringe pundits has succeeded in terms of dragging the so-called Overton window far to the Right.

          If there is not strong pushback, talk of a new Hiroshima-Nagasaki or a new Shoah will start being perceived as acceptable instead of outrageous.

          The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

          by lotlizard on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 01:58:29 AM PST

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        •  It's not just the most extreme quotes in Sharon's (3+ / 0-)
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          column.  

          The rest of his reasoning is echoed over and over by pro-Israel voices.  I could easily find a hundred posts here on DK declaring some version of Sharon's assertion that Israel has the right to defend itself and that Palestinian rockets are morally equivalent [because they have NO military effectiveness whatsoever] to Israeli response and that every other country would do the same.

          So most of Gilad Sharon's points are completely internalized by the majority of Israeli defenders (who repeat them over and over and over and over again).  It's just not that far from that position to "flatten Gaza."

          I have come to understand that Israel would just like the Palestinians to go away. The apartheid policies, the second class citizenship for Palestinians living in Israel, the horrendous conditions in Gaza restricting food and medicine, the bombing, bulldozing of homes, orchards, not recognizing right of return, all of this points to the logical conclusion that Israel wants the Palestinians to give up and self-deport, go to Argentina or where ever.  For obvious reasons, there is no political will to engage in genocide of Palestinians, but there is definitely a systematic removal of Palestinians from their homeland.  I hear a lot of rationalization, but basically this is the Israeli problem: to remove the Palestinians one way or another.

          •  But it is the extreme quotes (2+ / 0-)
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            that are being pulled and used all over DKos as representative of Israel's "true" intentions, conspiracy-theory style.

            So most of Gilad Sharon's points are completely internalized by the majority of Israeli defenders...  It's just not that far from that position to "flatten Gaza."
            Advocating genocide is leaps and bounds apart from the (essentially) tit-for-tat defense of Israel's actions.

            Since I am a Jewish professional I have gotten plenty of the pro-Israel propaganda pieces by both email and on Facebook over the past few days. Here is what they have in common:

            • Quoting the number of rockets that have fallen on Israel.
            • The phrase "Israel has a right to defend herself"
            • Various versions of complaining about the world only paying attention to Israeli violence but never to violence committed by her enemies.
              • Yesterday this type began to include charts comparing daily deaths in Gaza to daily deaths in Syria.
            • Mentioning that the trucks of humanitarian aide continue to go into Gaza and that Palestinians continue to be brought out to Israeli hospitals when necessary.
            • Item's comparing how the IDF and Hamas deal with civilians (Hamas targets civilian population centers and fires from within their own, Israel theoretically only targets Hamas)
            • Images of Israelis in bomb shelters or in ruined homes.
            • Basic solidarity stuff, like a picture of Masada with the caption "The Nation Of Israel Lives"
            • Items that are both overtly and covertly racist.
              • When these show up in my Facebook feed  point out in what way the item is racist/offensive to Palestinians in general and have succeeded in getting some of my friends to remove their posts.
            • AIPAC's big thing has been pictures of world leaders with their quotes blaming Hamas.
              • There is some cognitive dissonance in these because either Israel is the victim of a world prejudiced against her or she is not. AIPAC and others definitely play it both ways.
            • Some very funny/disturbing political cartoons.
            • Prayers for peace
            • What has been almost entirely absent from the mainstream Jewish community's pro-Israel apparatus is any calls for total destruction or genocide. As for the rest of Sharon's points even when his points are within the kind of discussions I see in the Jewish community they are on the fringe. For example, he asserts that Gaza should be treated as a state actor. Most of the discussion I have seen and participated in is about how to deal with Hamas as a non-state actor.

              Gilad Sharon represents a slice of both Israeli society and the pro-Israel community as a whole - but only a slice, and certainly not a dominant one.

            If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
            If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
            If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

            by A Gutin Daf on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:30:34 AM PST

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            •  Unfortunately the backdrop to Sharon's "flatten" (2+ / 0-)
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              remarks is an intense aerial bombardment of Gaza that appears to far exceed the harm caused by the rocket launches into Israel, both in terms of the property damage and human lives lost.

              I have seen the IDF propaganda, of course all of it is in English, and you have described it accurately.  Basically it causes me to react the other way.

              Normally I don't give an opinion on IP issues, but here where the claim of "humane" bombing is being made, I make an exception.  I don't think it's possible to bomb a city like Gaza in a "humane" way.

              You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

              by Cartoon Peril on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:44:50 AM PST

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              •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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                that "humane" is always a terrible word for any warfare anywhere. However, once warfare has begun there is a spectrum of morality and immorality upon which every tactical decision lies. In general I think the IDF's tactical decisions, once engaged, live on the more moral end of that spectrum (which exists within an inhumane framework shared by all warfare)

                As for the backdrop:

                • Israel has decided that it needs to stop the rocket attacks by force. This point is debatable as to its merits, but that is what they have decided.
                • Every human life should be equal in general but a sovereign state has an obligation to place the lives of its citizens and, by extension, soldiers, above the lives of non-citizens.
                • Based on the previous point, Israel has an obligation to protect the lives of its conscripted soldiers before protecting the lives of Palestinians in Gaza. This is why Israel a few years ago went with the aerial approach to their use of force.
                • Once the aerial approach has been decided upon the IDF works to only have bombs fall on legitimate targets. They have always been honest that there is a high likelihood of civilian deaths. There have always been mistakes that kill innocents for no reason at all but if you look at the total number of targets Israel hits versus there are very few.

                The result of all of the above is that there are a disproportionate number of deaths and injuries among Palestinian civilians than there are among Israelis.

                War is not sports; there is no advantage to parity once you are engaged. A country with better weapons or greater numbers is never expected to take a handicap for the sake of some sense of "fairness". The world would be better off if other state actors showed the restraint that Israel does when engaged in battle with groups using asymmetrical tactics.

                If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
                If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
                If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

                by A Gutin Daf on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:56:47 AM PST

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                •  Drone warfare in Pakistan was justified on similar (3+ / 0-)
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                  grounds as the argument you posit for the Pillar of Defense Operation (and I understand that you are not making the argument, but setting out what the best Israeli case is.)

                  The problem that I have with that is that it never reaches a point where bombing of civilians is seen as wrong, and in fact it operates to absolve the bombing power of responsibility for civilian deaths.

                  It also sells well domestically, as the political costs associated with loss or possible hostage taking of pilots and aircrew are minimized or eliminated by the use of stand-off munitions, "smart" bombs, etc.  This has the effect IMHO of permitting the war to continue for longer (as war becomes seen as harmless to the bombing power), resulting in more civilian deaths.

                  You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

                  by Cartoon Peril on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:59:28 AM PST

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                  •  The difference between Israel and US drones (2+ / 0-)
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                    is that the US is operating thousands of miles from US soil where there has not been a single life lost to or injury caused by the actions of a foreign state or non state actor since 2001.

                    Israel has citizens with rockets being fired at them right now.

                    The problem that I have with that is that it never reaches a point where bombing of civilians is seen as wrong, and in fact it operates to absolve the bombing power of responsibility for civilian deaths.
                    Yes, which is why I believe we need to be looking for solutions that put an end to the violence, period, as opposed to spending time debating the morality of this or that tactic.

                    Israel is, however, prepared to send in troops (God help everyone if that happens) AFAIK. I do not think this is posturing as the IDF tends to not mobilise reserves to make a political point. If troops go in we will all be lamenting how much bloodier urban warfare is than smart bombs.

                    If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
                    If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
                    If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

                    by A Gutin Daf on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:33:39 AM PST

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            •  Thanks for elaborating so extensively. (2+ / 0-)
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              I've been paying a lot of attention to your posts as I try to figure out how to understand what is going on in Israel and Gaza, so thanks for being patient in your responses.  I find I have a lot of questions that are difficult to ask because the I/P discussions can derail into emotion pretty quickly, but it's important to me to understand because some of my family are  Jewish and support Israel unconditionally; unfortunately, it's actually harder to ask questions in that context because even questions are perceived negatively.  (From your sig line I would have to conclude my bro-in-law is an idiot.)

              I'm not even sure I completely understand the problem, although my current hypothesis is the dispossession of Palestinians is at the root, and there seems to be plenty of injustice to go around.  I would be very interested in learning what you think would be a way forward to a good resolution to the issues between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

              I pray for peace, too.

              •  Thanks for your kind words (3+ / 0-)

                Am planning some diaries.

                Don't be afraid to ask your questions, but beware of the answers :). I try to give links as much as possible and not to state anything as fact that I lack a source for. Diaries and discussions on hot button topics need links in order to make a distinction among facts, analysis, opinion, and emotion.

                If you believe that ALL criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're an idiot.
                If you believe that NONE of the criticism of Israel is antisemitic, you're a fool.
                If you call EVERYONE who criticizes Israel antisemitic, you're just an a$$hole

                by A Gutin Daf on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:59:44 AM PST

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          •  If the Palestinians go away (0+ / 0-)

            Israel would just widen their scope. We'd end  up with the same situation, just another foe.

            Let me be a bit provocative here; I think part of the problem with Israel feeling insecure all the time has a lot to do with the indulgence in the holocaust. Yes, I said indulgence. Israeli jewish kids are brought up on, and spoonfed, the holocaust.
            So it's no wonder they see the German Gestapo in every imagined foe.

            Dissolve Israel; stop distinguishing between jew and non-jew in Palestine.

            by high5 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:20:14 PM PST

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  •  your photo is of people in Tel Aviv. (2+ / 0-)
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    so that's kind of pointless.  Despite the one or two intercepted missles, they're not really under much of a threat.

    And actually CNN has been doing a very good job showing far more of the Palestinian side than I would have ever given them credit for.  They have a reporter on the ground in Gaza, they've shown footage of patients at a Gaza hospital, they've shown injured children.

    Of course they'll also have the IDF line as well.  I don't take issue with that.

    CNN usually sucks--but every now and then they do an ok job on an international story.

  •  I wonder if Arutz Sheva / Israel National News, (2+ / 0-)
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    … the settler movement's news agency, realizes that having the full-throated support of Glenn Beck is not necessarily a positive talking point.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/...

    The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

    by lotlizard on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:25:41 AM PST

  •  Sharon op-ed: article in Dutch newspaper Trouw (2+ / 0-)
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    The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

    by lotlizard on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:05:32 AM PST

  •  "Enough is enough" — Rabbi Michael Lerner (2+ / 0-)
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    The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

    by lotlizard on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 07:39:20 AM PST

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