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                      Gore knocks Obama on climate change inaction

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By JAKE MILLER

In a speech before the New York League of Conservation Voters on Thursday, former Vice President Al Gore criticized Obama's lack of concerted action to address climate change, saying that while he deeply respects "our president and the steps he has taken," it's time to move beyond lip service.

"We cannot have four more years of mentioning this occasionally and saying it's too bad that the Congress can't act," said Gore, according to Reuters, arguing that the White House must act more aggressively to dispel the inertia that has gripped Capitol Hill's response to climate change.

"Our democracy has been hacked," Gore said. "And when the large part of polluters and their ideological allies tell the members of Congress to jump, they do say, 'how high?' And we need leadership in the executive branch as well."

I am in total agreement with Vice President Gore.

"If not now, then when? If not here, then where?" ~Naderev Saño Philippines Negotiator

               

In Doha, Philippines Negotiator Delivers Emotional Plea For Climate Change Action

He closed:

"I appeal to the whole world, I appeal to leaders from all over the world, to open our eyes to the stark reality that we face. I appeal to ministers. The outcome of our work is not about what our political masters want. It is about what is demanded of us by 7 billion people.

"I appeal to all, please, no more delays, no more excuses. Please, let Doha be remembered as the place where we found the political will to turn things around. Please, let 2012 be remembered as the year the world found the courage to find the will to take responsibility for the future we want. I ask of all of us here, if not us, then who? If not now, then when? If not here, then where?"

                 

Originally posted to Lefty Coaster on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 06:50 PM PST.

Also republished by Climate Hawks and DK GreenRoots.

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  •  If not now, then when? If not here, then where? (48+ / 0-)

    “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” ~ John Kenneth Galbraith

    by Lefty Coaster on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 06:49:38 PM PST

  •  Yep On This Issue Message Pragmatism is Suicide. (19+ / 0-)

    Leaders in our time have the responsibility to speak and teach beyond the immediately achievable.

    And as Mr. Gore is demonstrating, now is the time when we're most free from immediate party election concerns to push for our needs and for reality.

    "Now is the time." --MLK

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 07:01:32 PM PST

    •  Too much pragmatism may not have been helpful..... (4+ / 0-)

      But one thing I've noticed over the past few years is an overabundance of hyperbole may have turned out to be even more damaging; the deniers couldn't refute the basic science to any degree, so they've been taking some of the most extreme claims made by what I call the "wannabe Cassandra" set(people like Guy McPherson, Malcolm P.R. Light, etc.), and they've been trying to spin the narrative to make it look like that ANYBODY who accepts the reality of anthropogenic climate change as some sort of nutter. The bad news? It's worked to an extent. The good news? Even with all the roadblocks being thrown out by the deniers and those who enable them(the inanity and irrationality of the "Cassandras" has unfortunately ended up helping them), people are still waking up: It looks like Sandy might have been just another catalyst for such. Now it's up to the President, and other Democrats to keep the wheels turning......and we, too, can help with that. =)

      •  ONE (3+ / 0-)
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        problem with your "analysis" is the fact that Cassandra was cursed by the Gods to be ALWAYS RIGHT and therefore, to be disbelieved.

        The actual consequences of unfettered global warming have not yet been understood; even by researchers. However, every single study has proven to underestimate both the rate of change and the consequences.

        The Pentagon planners and the insurance industry are certainly taking the danger very seriously!

         "Pragmatists" with attitudes like yours are actually dangerous to our survival.  No horse is high enough to ride above  the ineffible danger we all face. Facts are not hyperbole, no matter how inconvenient.

        •  You may wish to re-read my statement. (0+ / 0-)

          What I was trying to say is, these, well, "doomers", as some call them, do indeed imagine themselves to be the Cassandras of climate change. Trust me, I saw this thinking firsthand while on DU.

          However, though, while they may indeed be correct on a few things, they are still off the mark on many others. And unfortunately, I have indeed seen deniers jump on the more extreme claims, and try to make it look like we're ALL nuts(Steven Goddard is one of those more well-known deniers who happens to be particularly devious in that regard). Sad thing is, the wannabe "doomsday prophets" haven't gotten the memo just yet.

          I'll definitely admit, that once again, too much pessimism really never did us any good, that seems to be true. But it's also obvious that the "we're all gonna die!" approach isn't working, either.

          What DOES work, and HAS worked, is what people like Jeff Masters, Peter Sinclair, Kevin Trenberth, Katherine Hayhoe, and many other good people are doing: Laying out the facts, and connecting the dots. And I'm thankful for what they do. =)

           

    •  No, suicide is NOT pragmatism! (6+ / 0-)

      Pragmatism, when silence = death, is not short term opportunism but doing what works. That rumbling sound may be earthquakes triggered by fracking, or it may be John Dewey turning in his grave.  

      The pragmatic course is not to be distracted by the fiscal kabuki when we are drifting rapidly toward the climate precipice, the continental divide between the disasters we are already being hit with and a planetary catastrophe on a scale comparable to the ice ages.

      The counsel of pragmatism is to seize the teachable moments presented by Sandy, Typhoon Bopha, this summer's US drought, polar melting and extreme weather worldwide to launch a MAJOR transition to clean energy. That would have the added merit of creating millions of good jobs.

      Obama should embrace Gore and work with him to reframe the national discourse.

      There's no such thing as a free market!

      by Albanius on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:14:17 PM PST

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  •  I wish there were a prominent scientist... (7+ / 0-)

    who had as much clout as Al Gore.

    Why I respect the Vice President and heartily agree with his message.  He's not the right voice.

    He is a politician and will always be suspect.

    We need to hear more voices of Scientists.

    I know they are out there, but they do not come across in any popular way.  

    •  As a collected society... (7+ / 0-)

      ...we haven't grown out of high school: it's still the action-of-choice of those who seek to be popular to look down on the nerds. That conservatives can take such pride in ignorance and anti-intellectualism is depressing.

    •  maybe that's because (14+ / 0-)

      the media ignore them. they're there, they're working hard, they're speaking out, and they rarely get access to the major media.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 07:56:44 PM PST

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      •  Yes but except for eg Hansen they need to study (7+ / 0-)

        the science of communication.  

        Fortunately, Joe Romm of Climate Progress has just published an excellent primer,
        Language Intelligence to solve that precise problem.  Early in the book he discusses the claim by a classical sophist that he could win a debate on medicine before a lay audience against an actual doctor.  The book was written to explain to scientists (and the rest of us who have learned what science is saying) how to talk about these issue in a way that engages the passions without departing from the facts.

        Scientists when addressing the public need to be  alarmists when they are, in Paul Ehrlich's phrase, very goddamn alarmed.

        There's no such thing as a free market!

        by Albanius on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:58:59 PM PST

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        •  They just need to read and then do... (2+ / 0-)
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          George Lakoff's work from the 1990's. Moral Politics - How liberals and Conservatives Think.

          --United Citizens defeated Citizens United...This time. --

          by chipoliwog on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 10:23:25 PM PST

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        •  they understand how to communicate (9+ / 0-)

          many of them are quite good at it. they are kept out of the major media because the gatekeepers don't want their science to be known.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 10:46:17 PM PST

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          •  Communicating in soundbites differs from (3+ / 0-)
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            communicating in a seminar.  

            Too often I still see scientists lead with "we can't attribute any particular extreme weather event to AGW" rather than "As the planet warms, extreme events like Sandy will become more and more frequent and severe" and then say "individual events result from a combination of short term conditions with long term trends."

            Romm's book shows how to get these nuances right, and push emotional buttons (righteous indignation, not despair!) while explaining facts and principles, to minimize the risk of dwelling on uncertainty, giving viewers an excuse to shrug off the issue.

            There's no such thing as a free market!

            by Albanius on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 11:06:32 PM PST

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            •  they can do soundbites (2+ / 0-)
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              that's an excuse. plenty of scientists understand how to talk to the media.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 11:25:56 PM PST

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              •  both/and (0+ / 0-)

                There was a de facto news blackout on climate issues after the landslide of disinformation from the fossil fool industry in response to Gore's movie etc.  Science was drowned out by propaganda, and Dem leadership stopped pushing after Cap and Trade died in the Senate, fearing that they would be blamed for high gasoline prices.

                Sandy, in the media capital of the hemisphere, ended that; mass media are now starting to report on the climate crisis.  Some but not all the of the scientists now getting a little air time know how to communicate key points forcefully; others hedge, qualify, and bury the lead.  The latter should read Romm's book.

                There's no such thing as a free market!

                by Albanius on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 03:23:01 PM PST

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                •  no (0+ / 0-)

                  they're not reporting it.

                  http://mediamatters.org/...

                  http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

                  and have you seen much coverage of doha?

                  The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                  by Laurence Lewis on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 04:36:09 PM PST

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                  •  Both your cites were pre-Sandy (0+ / 0-)

                    Since then, Andrew Cuomo (not my favorite NY politician) has publicly linked Sandy and extreme weather to AGW. The cover story  It's Global Warming, Stupid in Bloomburg Business Week was a non-trivial breakthrough.  NY Times had an Op-Ed on Doha today, though Amy Goodman's Doha coverage puts the MSM to shame.

                    This is a teachable moment; if the media were less obsessed with the fiscal kabuki it would be clearer, but I am seeing more climate coverage in the month since Sandy than I saw in the preceding 2-3 years.  

                    Unfortunately Obama has also been distracted from dealing with the climate cliff, buy I continue to hope that the pressure from Gore, 350.org et al, as well as the scientific community and the blogosphere  will get a serious response once the administration is through the fiscal showdown.  

                    There's no such thing as a free market!

                    by Albanius on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 07:44:27 PM PST

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                    •  there is a dribble (0+ / 0-)

                      partially because of sandy, and because bloomberg himself raised the issue. but overall the media coverage has been limited and terrible. we're still not seeing actual climate scientists on tv, particularly on the sunday shows, and there are some who are very prepared for the format. we're all going to keep pushing, and events themselves will continue to force the issue, but overall the major media will do as little as possible to cover the issue in a factual manner.

                      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                      by Laurence Lewis on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 08:10:09 PM PST

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    •  like Michael Mann on facebook (1+ / 0-)
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      follow him on twitter.

      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:09:47 PM PST

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  •  And, if I may add one more video :-) (7+ / 0-)

    we've just released, and a petition to get Obama to do more:
    TELL PRESIDENT OBAMA YOU EXPECT ACTION NOW

    -Joylette

    Don't Just Sit There - Do Something! --- a humorous take on climate news, climate science, with easy things everyone can do to make a difference.

    by Dont Just Sit There DO SOMETHING on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 07:09:43 PM PST

  •  VP Gore was recently part of a panel, along... (1+ / 0-)
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    ..with Richard Branson.

    http://www.theclimategroup.org/...

    Did Gore take Branson to task for his Virgin Galactic boondoggle, whereby space "tourists" will emit in several minutes the equivalent CO2 emitted by a passenger on a San Francisco to Boston commercial flight?

    Why is he then calling attention to the President's alleged shortcomings?

    Furthermore, the US has decreased per/capita CO2 emissions by 5% since 1990.  Other countries have significantly increased theirs.

    Why not go to Asia and ask them to reduce their CO2 emissions.

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

    by PatriciaVa on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 07:32:26 PM PST

    •  So being on a panel w Branson destroyed Gore's (15+ / 0-)

      credibility somehow? I don't follow the logic of that.

      Americans still have a far bigger carbon footprint than people in other affluent countries, not to mention the countries with less development like China.  

      “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” ~ John Kenneth Galbraith

      by Lefty Coaster on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 07:49:42 PM PST

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    •  Cute (10+ / 0-)

      So the nation that easily produces more CO2 than any other nation in the world, has the highest per capita usage of any large nation, has a slight decrease, and we want the rest of  the world to be impressed with us?

      Although I think it funny that Doha is running this charade as they are one of the highest per capita spewers of CO2 in the world.

    •  why don't we (14+ / 0-)

      do what we can and then worry about what others are or aren't doing?

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 07:57:52 PM PST

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      •  Let's do what we can, without negatively... (1+ / 0-)
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        ..impacting the working and middle-class in this country, who have seen their wages stagnate/decline over the past 12 years, while their peers in Asia have seen their wages double.

        Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

        by PatriciaVa on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:01:36 PM PST

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        •  why don't we talk about (14+ / 0-)

          the economic devastation that climate change will cause and already is causing? read the stern review. why don't we talk about the economic opportunities that will be there if we do address climate change? why don't we stop with the right wing talking points, as if economic and climate responsibility are in conflict rather than intricately connected.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:04:27 PM PST

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          •  Don't talk to me about RightWing talking Points.. (3+ / 0-)
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            I'm one of the few people in this community who have proposed a tax on wealth, starting at 1% for households with net worth of at least 50M, to 8% annually for the likes of Buffet and Ellison.  I advanced this over 18 months ago, and over the past month references to a wealth tax have begun to appear in the NYT and WSJ.

            You want to accuse someone of RightWing Talking Points?

            Then accuse fellow Kossacks who have embraced a Carbon Tax or Cap and Trade, both which originated in RightWing Think Tanks, like the one that Senator DeMint today announced he was going to lead.

            Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

            by PatriciaVa on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:11:18 PM PST

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            •  wealth taxes are irrelevant on this issue (7+ / 0-)

              they are a distraction from this issue.

              carbon taxes and cap and trade once were considered a good first step. they no longer are.

              The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

              by Laurence Lewis on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:13:50 PM PST

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              •  LL - that's good because we don't even have (5+ / 0-)

                the political will to implement cap and trade or a carbon tax.

                "let's talk about that"

                by VClib on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:22:56 PM PST

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              •  This is the sticking point. (1+ / 0-)
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                What are the solutions?

                Wean the combined economies of the entire
                world off of carbon based fuel and energy sources,
                starting with the most profligate and egregious sources.

                How can this be achieved?

                Cap n Trade? Carbon taxes? Buy in tariffs for alternatives?
                Smart grids? Fusion? Greater efficiency? Conservation?
                A global Apollo/Manhattan sized initiative of academy,
                government, and business, including their disparate
                and often competing economic interests and factions?

                Increased funding for research and implementation of it all?

                Add to this the emerging evidence that amelioration
                of actual environmental impacts that will effect millions and
                cause severe global economic and sociopolitical stress must
                now be factored into this endless and exponential equation.

                Is there a triage? A path forward? A coherent tactic or strategy?
                A unified vision with any remote semblance of hope?

                I may be mistaken, but I believe I have heard not just
                our recently re elected president, but other international
                leaders discuss many of these issues at various times.
                Perhaps not enough, but at least they are discussing it.

                Barring immediate severe economic and sociopolitical
                pain and dislocation, how may the tipping point of elite
                global consensus be reached that action is in the utmost
                self interest of everyone involved? Who can best sell this?

                This is a perfect storm of environmental, economic, and
                political conditions. When enough of the 1% is displaced
                or affected, we shall see some movement on this issue
                politically, and legislatively. Then it may already be too late.

                It does not surprise me that the evidence based activists
                have come to the conclusion that we are nigh well doomed.

                Thanks for all of your efforts.

            •  There's also a few people on D.U. who've...... (0+ / 0-)

              made the claim that significant reductions of emissions would bring the world economy to a screeching halt; which, btw, is a claim that's been pretty popular with some skeptics, like Chris Booker, as here: "The fact is that there is no one in the world who can explain how we could cut our emissions by four fifths without shutting down virtually all our existing economy. What carries this even further into the higher realms of lunacy is that such a Quixotic gesture would do nothing to halt the world’s fast-rising CO2 emissions, already up 40 per cent since 1990. There is no way for us to prevent the world’s CO2 emissions from doubling by 2100"

              Ironically enough, every single one of the guilty culprits, to a "T", was actually a climate "doomer".....

              •  Ignorance is hardly factual (10+ / 0-)
                The fact is that there is no one in the world who can explain how we could cut our emissions by four fifths without shutting down virtually all our existing economy.
                 -- that is Tea Party level ignorance!

                What would shut down the world economy would be business as usual, leading to immense droughts and many Sandy's and Katrinas, inundating coastal cities.

                Many people have explained how to ramp down greenhouse emissions over the next few decades.  Amory Lovins of RMI outlined of a solution starting in the 1970s.

                Profs  Socolow and Pacala have explained a Stabilization Wedges strategy championed by Joe Romm at Climate Progress, for example here:

                The crucial climate strategy is aggressive deployment of every last bit of available low-carbon technology starting ASAP.  Anyone who isn’t in favor of that strategy understands neither climate science nor the current state of clean energy.  Sadly, that covers most of the traditional media and so-called intelligentsia.

                Even the traditionally staid and conservative the International Energy Agency explained two years ago that “The world will have to spend an extra $500 billion to cut carbon emissions for each year it delays implementing a major assault on global warming.”

                Princeton Professors Robert Socolow and Stephen Pacala became leading champions of the “deploy now” strategy with their 2004 in Science paper, “Stabilization Wedges: Solving the Climate Problem for the Next 50 Years with Current Technologies.”....

                There's no such thing as a free market!

                by Albanius on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:36:28 PM PST

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                •  I often referred to that P & S paper....... (3+ / 0-)
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                  when I was a somewhat frequent commenter on DU's Environment & Energy board.

                  And yes, I've pointed out some to the people whom I call the "wannabe Cassandras", that is, the people who believe that the worst case scenarios, (or worse), human extinction, etc. are inevitable, that they've been duped into buying into a few of the "skeptic" talking points. Unfortunately, the reaction I received was, sadly, less than positive from these folks.

                  What's really strange about this is that I was eventually labelled a "denier" by some of these very same people, simply because I didn't subscribe to their mantras; even though I do realize that climate change is a real and serious threat!

                  I'm thinking about writing a diary on this, and ACC in general at some point; there will be a portion of it that'll cover my experience at Democratic Underground in regards to pointing out the facts......stay tuned, if you're interested.

              •  interesting (5+ / 0-)

                that you quote a climate change denier. interesting that you call such a dishonest hack a "skeptic."

                The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                by Laurence Lewis on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:55:02 PM PST

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            •  how would you regulate carbon, Patricia? (3+ / 0-)
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              without a fee on it, how to get people to use less fossil fuel?

              And do you not think climate change impacts the economy?

              An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

              by mightymouse on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:21:46 PM PST

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            •  Carbon Tax originated in right wing think tanks? (1+ / 0-)
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              You have a link for that, because I am pretty sure that's total BS.

        •  According to projections (8+ / 0-)

          climate change will negatively impact poorer countries more than wealthier countries.

          So screw those poor countries, lets help ourselves at their expense?

          Wow...

          If global warming were a bank, we would spend trillions taking action.

          No, we must act, or all of our progeny will suffer. It isn't a choice between rich and poor. It is necessary to save ecosystems, species, human habitats.

          Or would you rather have massive starvation, floods, violent conflicts, poverty, geopolitical upheaval?

          My god... you are coming off like a global warming skeptic.

          Frankly, the lack of leadership in addressing climate change should be prosecutable as an international crime.

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:25:48 PM PST

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    •  Methinks a few extra cross-country flights... (3+ / 0-)
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      won't have nearly the same impact as ending the silly "all of the above" non-strategy that dominates the political discussion.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:45:38 PM PST

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    •  HR GOPers (0+ / 0-)

      Inability to discern reality is the hallmark of schizophrenia. And because the Republicans control the US House of Representatives, there is no hope any legislation will be passed to address the climate crisis. ~ Dr Brian Moench

      by anyname on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:43:32 PM PST

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  •  how about a step like solar panels on the WH ? (3+ / 0-)
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    without the ants the rainforest dies

    by aliasalias on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 07:50:02 PM PST

    •  Good for the symbolism (3+ / 0-)
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      and some progress has been made but there is so much more that needs doing.

      “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” ~ John Kenneth Galbraith

      by Lefty Coaster on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 07:52:17 PM PST

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      •  it's not just symbolism it shows whether the WH (6+ / 0-)

        will even do that much, and the fact that this many years later something that simple can not have been done causes me to doubt the sincerity of any effort.
        That subject has not even been part of any conversation for 4 years and yet it's just "symbolism" ? Right now that would be a big step up and that is quite an indictment of this administration by itself.
        No knock on you, please don't take it that way ,but the fact that something so trivial hasn't even been done says a lot about this administration in the last 4 years on climate change.

        We have an administration that brags about permitting 'enough pipelines to circle the earth" and "opening up 70% MORE Federal lands than ever before" to gas and oil drilling. Right now I'll take a little symbolism over nothing, and who knows it might lead to someone acting on it.

        without the ants the rainforest dies

        by aliasalias on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:21:45 PM PST

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    •  Apparently an "all of the above" strategy really.. (3+ / 0-)
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      means Drill Baby Drill, while failing to even engage in one of the few specific acts of climate leadership the President had committed to.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:29:36 PM PST

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      •  "All of the ABOVE" should mean energy from heaven (2+ / 0-)
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        in a phrase I learned from Tom Friedman, who though not always reliable is a mean man with a metaphor, ie solar, wind etc, as opposed to fossil "energy from Hell"

        It is time for Obama, with the election behind him, to face his historic challenge and stop equivocating.

        There's no such thing as a free market!

        by Albanius on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:43:42 PM PST

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  •  no matter how much good they may do (11+ / 0-)

    in other arenas, the politicians and business leaders of today who fail to act on climate change will be seen in the future as failures. it trumps all other issues. it trumps all other issues combined. and what happens on so many seemingly other issues will be determined by what happens with climate change.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 07:55:31 PM PST

    •  there may not be people to make that observation (1+ / 0-)
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      without the ants the rainforest dies

      by aliasalias on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:02:22 PM PST

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    •  Climate Change will become the lens history views (9+ / 0-)

      this whole epoch through. I suspect history will not be kind either. Maybe it will be called the age of squandered opportunities.

      “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” ~ John Kenneth Galbraith

      by Lefty Coaster on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:04:11 PM PST

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      •  the medieval age (4+ / 0-)

        before the real medieval age.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:07:56 PM PST

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      •  I must admit that using Al Gore to make you (3+ / 0-)
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        nod your head because he demanded 'more leadership'
        of our president strikes me a just a tad bit disingenuous.

        Pick any metric you like. And simply compare what the
        two have accomplished in the ADW/CC legislative arena.
        New mileage standards? Increased Renewables and
        alternative energy research and application funding?
        Related tax credit rules? Conservation and building
        energy efficiency rules and regulations? How many
        times did Al Gore request that the fossil fuel industries
        not receive taxpayer funded subsidies while he was in office?
        Or that those billions in our money be used to
        address many of these issue we are discussing?

        It is not like the evidence was not amassing when he
        was a US senator or Vice President and had the leverage
        and power to push this all forward when all of these
        warnings were widely first being given. Now that he is
        high tech hedge fund free to speak as he pleases it is
        much more of a systemic indictment, wouldn't you say?
        Still nodding your head?

        Of course, this is what is driving the problem, right?
        Until the scientists and activists have the honor and
        courage to specifically address the economic system
        that underlies AGW/CC, and surprise, other major and
        presently more dominant reckonings, little will change.
        And yes, I am including Al Gore in this group. Good
        deeds and 1% and all he has achieved in AGW/CC.

        The president was not elected to 'fuck the economy'.
        Quite the opposite. If anyone here feels that he was
        re elected to be an authoritarian global climate dictator,
        I believe they are severely mistaken and or delusional.
        Espescially concerning the nature of our government.

        I am confident that our current president will do more to
        address this one issue than all those who preceded him
        combined. If he has not already. Will it be enough? Doubtful.

        Can we help push the agenda forward? Absolutely.
        Where, once again, is the gridlock, holding back our
        forward motion on this and so many other issues?
        Isn't it fossil fuel state congress members, some in our
        own party, who have largely held up critical legislation?

        Imagining the future lens of history will judge
        our present times harshly is not so hard to do.
        Especially when you consider human history.

        Thanks for all of your efforts.
         

        •  What he said. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

          by Bush Bites on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 03:33:35 AM PST

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        •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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               “Anyone who thinks that the vice-president can take a position independent of the president of his administration simply has no knowledge of politics or government. You are his choice in a political marriage, and he expects your absolute loyalty.”~Hubert H. Humphrey

          “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” ~ John Kenneth Galbraith

          by Lefty Coaster on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 12:13:46 PM PST

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          •  I grant you that one. Loyalty is a must for VP. (0+ / 0-)

            I could swear I heard Cheney
            laughing as I typed that.

            And I realize the science was
            just then 'emerging' at the
            time that he ran for president.

            The point I was making is that
            Al Gore is, and was, every bit a
            champion for the 'free market'
            that so many denigrate in other
            elected and appointed officials.

            The states that have 'nationalized'
            their resources have the capabilities
            to address this impending catastrophe,
            if they so choose to do so. But that
            will not happen here until dire conditions
            create the required political will and demand
            among the majority to address this and other issues.

            Thanks for all of your efforts.

  •  If addressing climate change... (2+ / 0-)
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    ...with everything we've got is somehow "bad for the economy," then fuck the economy.

    Freedom isn't "on the march." Freedom dances.

    by WarrenS on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:04:07 PM PST

  •  Al became quite the talker AFTER he left office. (0+ / 0-)

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 03:29:49 AM PST

  •  For all the very important issues that (1+ / 0-)
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    the President must address, I cannot think of anything that is more important, yet more neglected here in America, that of climate change.

    It is happening at a pace that is far outstripping even the most pessimistic predictions, and yet the USA dithers.

    I fully recognize the ghastly obstruction and ignorance on the part of the Republicans, but if ever there were a time and an opportunity to act despite those assholes, it is now.

  •  Please explain to me (0+ / 0-)

    In the second video, at about 4:55, he mentions that 1.4 degrees is greater than the difference in average temperature between Washington DC and Charleston SC.

    But I went to worldclimate.com and looked at the 24-hour average temperature over the year, and Charleston is 65.5 degrees and Washington National Airport is 57.9 degrees.  

    What am I missing here?

    •  I don't have an answer (0+ / 0-)

      “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.” ~ John Kenneth Galbraith

      by Lefty Coaster on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 12:16:39 PM PST

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