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I really did not want to write about guns; however, after seeing the crap that has floated through my facebook feed the last couple day that has been posted by people I thought were sane and who I respected - I can stay silent no longer. If you think Sandy Hook was a conspiracy, if you think the President is going to take your guns away, that the President wants to be a dictator or that you are going to fight tyranny with your guns - I have a big problem with you.

The President has proposed some very common sense ideas to control gun violence in our nation. Some of which are background checks for all firearms sales, bans on large capacity magazines and assault rifles.

I do not understand how anyone can be against a background check on every single firearms purchase. Will some people slip through the cracks? Yes, they will; however, it will eliminate a legal way for some very bad people to get a hold of a firearm and could very well prevent a mass shooting.

Bans on large capacity magazines. If you need a magazine that holds thirty rounds to hunt deer, rabbits, squirrels, or other assorted forest creatures and you cannot shoot any of them with your first, second or third shot (if the animal hangs out that long while you are attempting to kill it) then maybe you need a different hobby, glasses or a better scope. Putting more rounds down range is not going to assist you. The only purpose for a high capacity magazine is to put a lot of lead down range quickly and they only time and place you really need to do that is if you are in the middle of a firefight taking place during a war.

The President is not going to take your guns away. Period, not gonna happen. The President is also not going to become a dictator and if you think Sandy Hook was a setup...then you are batshit crazy and shoud have your firearms taken away from you. Please put the tinfoil hats back on and stay in your mom's basement. It will be better for all of us that way.

You need your guns for protection? Protection from what? Are you so afraid to come out of your house that you need to armed like you are walking through Afghanistan? In my 45 years on this planet I have never, ever, felt like I needed to carry a firearm to feel safe. If you are serious that you need it for protection then carry pepper spray or a least that way if you make a mistake the person on the receiving end is not dead.

You need your firearms to fight against tyranny. Really? What tryanny? I am fairly certain that making you get a background check for a hunting rifle is not tyranny. But if you insist on that argument I have to ask you why you call yourself patriotic? You say you need weapons of all kinds to fight the government but then turn around and say how great our country is. This confuses me because I always thought if you armed yourself to fight the government that you were committing treason. You cannot be patriotic if you are arming yourself to fight government tyranny. The two things are mutually exclusive by their nature. Of course, if you want to hold on to that particular fantasy, fine. Let me know how it turns out when that M1 Abrams tank runs you over as you are shooting at it and your body doesn't even feel like a speedbump to the tank crew inside.

Seriously folks - we have a problem in this country. The problem is the glorification of guns. What President Obama has proposed is a start; however, we have a long way to go. The weaponization of America and the gun fetish this country needs to end. I get that people need/want rifles for hunting - but the deer don't shoot back. We need to stop glorifiying these weapons that for all intents and purposes military hardware.

Originally posted to Mark E. Andersen (Kodiak54) on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 10:18 AM PST.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA) and Shut Down the NRA.

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Comment Preferences

  •  GOP delusion is terminal (10+ / 0-)

    Why should the gun issue be any different.

  •  well said...I'm going to share on facebook. (9+ / 0-)


    We are not broke, we are being robbed.

    by Glen The Plumber on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 10:26:56 AM PST

  •  I Had A Long Conversation With My Mom (9+ / 0-)

    and she isn't close to what you'd call a liberal.

    On gun control she said "something has to change."

    And she doesn't mean more guns.

    She went on to say she could not imagine me with 3+ bullets in me as a little kid.

    I hate to get political but that is where we have to go ....

    When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

    by webranding on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 10:33:03 AM PST

  •  current state of affairs in US is this case (5+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, tardis10, Boppy, blueyedace2, BachFan
    2 guys in their backyard with what is described as an "AK-47" (.223 or 7.62 rounds?)  I am guessing .223 since the problem was ricochets or "skipping".  At any rate, neither round is a "backyard" round.  When we sight in weapons, we are in a rural area (nearest neighbor is one mile with lots of woods in between) and we fire at a 55 gallon drum filled with dirt placed in front of a tree which is in front of a 20 foot dirt berm.  These guys were shooting into the ground

    However for a prediction, guys are in the most trouble for the weed and second for public intoxication.  Chances are any felony charges will be for the weed and there will be no felony charges for negligent discharge of a firearm

    •  Just a question. (1+ / 0-)
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      If you are convicted of a felony, are your guns confiscated since you are no longer qualified to own them?

    •  Would it be a (4+ / 0-)

      terrible idea to make various weapons available via gun clubs only so that you can go and shoot whatever you want in a secure environment?  I am not aware how current clubs work so forgive my ignorance.  It just seems to me that if I wanted to experience the thrill of firing various weapons that really have less value to society in general  - in terms of protection, hunting etc  why couldn't we restrict the ownership of such and have those weapons maintained in some sort of licensed club that is responsible for their security?

      "You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity"

      by newfie on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:10:45 AM PST

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    •  the AK-47 fires 7.62×39mm (3+ / 0-)
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      Apart from low cost of manufacture its most notable atribute is reliability . . . but there is some loss of accuracy associated with that.  It is not much use past 100 yards, and even at shorter range its military use is suppressive (automatic) fire, hence the large magazine normally fitted.

      The restricted versions (no full auto) now legal for "civilian" use have no realistically useful purpose . . . there are far better choices available for hunting or "home defense", where the high magazine capacity serves no use and neither would (illegal) conversion to full auto.  It is a toy for the Rambo wannabes (and as such mostly harmless in fact).

      It is also so uncommon in criminal use (and where used there will be a raft of other charges to levy) as to be almost a sideshow in the gun control debate where it, like the "AR" style weapons, attracts attention far in excess of its actual abuse.

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:40:15 AM PST

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  •  Behind the conspiracy theories and cult/religion (4+ / 0-)

    fervor that we find, it is all about the money.  The NRA and gun manufacturers have succeeded at, not only buying and scaring politicians (mostly Republicans), but at creating this cult that is more zealous than any religion and is willing to do anything for the idols that they worship.

    It is then easy for the NRA to mobilize the cult members and all they need is for one of their subsidiaries (Fox News, Limbaugh, etc.) to start talking about any of these conspiracies and the cult members and Republicans obey blindly.

    We certainly have an uphill battle on this. If even in a liberal blog we have so many that, while claiming to be liberals, only spew the NRA talking points all the time, how much harder will it be to deal with the cult at large?

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:06:19 AM PST

  •  I would agree the presidents (2+ / 0-)
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    proposals are acceptable.

    As for how many shots? I don't have an answer for that. I have read that groups of feral hogs in Texas can require more than 10 for the safety of the shooter. I do not believe in putting people in danger so someone else can be feel safe.

    I know that when you shoot a critter another critter loves you had best be prepared to unload some bullets or get hurt. I have put 8 shots into an advancing snarling raccoon any one of them should have killed him instantly but I had shot his mate out side my chicken pen with a dead chicken in her possesion. He very much intended to battle to the death with me. He was also the size of a german shepard so I am guessing I would have been on the losing end. Every shot hit him but he was so angry that the adreniline kept him going and going even with massive injuries. I don't believe I have ever been more frightened. I am so glad after that the rest of my raccoon neighbors have decided the chickens are off limits...........

    Because of my experience I am not likely to want to go hog shooting. Hogs are big and and can be agressive when tame. They have teeth like needles. My experience above makes me sympathize with someone who wants 30 rounds to feel safe in trying to deal with them.

    It is the heart that makes a man rich. He is rich according to what he is not what he has -Henry Ward Beecher

    by PSWaterspirit on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 11:32:03 AM PST

  •  Consider yourself among the fortunate: (0+ / 0-)
    In my 45 years on this planet I have never, ever, felt like I needed to carry a firearm to feel safe
    Many of us are less fortunate.

    Having a gun saved my mother's life and my own on several occasions. If you want details see Have Gun, Will Carry With Great Reluctance

    Consider the following comment to this diary by an urbanite from a high crime area:

    Israeli Arms sold for 80$ on 67/Flora (7+ / 0-)

    Guy has been in business since I was ten.  Through the Heroin wars, though the Crack Wars, through the 'Sewn Ups' (Marijuana wholesalers) currently going on.

    The cops don't give a shit about anything east of International and 11th.  They drive through, but if you ask, they'll tell you, "Nothing we can do, it's...political."

    I visit Oaktown 3x a week.  All my friends are there.  I maintain a variety of reasonable offenses, and gentrified safe zones are appearing as Whites get over their parents irrational fears.  Still, something will always drag you to East Oakland, just a matter of time.  I'm from the deep East Oakland (Murder Dubs/69 Ville Projects) and you have to be ready.

    If you look at the dead children in Oakland unmourned and causing hardly a ripple nationally, and then look at the flailing over the white kids at Newtown, I'm sure you can grasp my perspective on the current gun debate.

    My entire family has arsenals, but have had no incidents
    in 41 years, other than my Dad scaring off a few thieves.
    That's not trackable in gun defense metrics.  Neither is my daily stomp through bad neighborhoods.  The realities of urban living in Poverty are being ignored completely; not a shocker to the brown skinned.  Well, anyway, do your thing, we'll see what the House lets through.  Should be interesting.

    I greatly enjoyed your post.

    A lot of decent people live in dangerous neighborhoods and own guns to protect themselves.

    The frog jumped/ into the old pond/ plop! (Basho)

    by Wolf10 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 at 04:25:38 PM PST

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