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UpDating an earlier post that followed the growing questions about the Esquire article about the SEAL Team 6 member on the raid on the bin Laden compound.

The author of the controversial Esquire article about 'the shooter' of bin Laden popped up again but this time in an interview on the PBS Newshour.

AIR DATE: Feb. 12, 2013 - Navy SEAL Who Killed Osama Bin Laden Faces Insecurity, Financial Challenges

After the article hit the online Esquire site many started calling out the information within, like Stars and Stripes. And comments like this:

“Misinformation like this doesn’t help veterans,” Brandon Friedman, a former VA public affairs officer, told Stars and Stripes. “When one veteran hears in a high-profile story that another veteran was denied care, it makes him or her less likely to enroll in the VA system.”

By veterans of Afghanistan, Iraq and other military veterans.

From the Newshour interview this caught me by surprise as I didn't know this journalist:

For more on this, story I'm joined by the article's author, Phil Bronstein. He's the executive chairman of the Center for Investigative Reporting.

The article in Esquire clearly shows a total lack of simple, especially related to the Veterans Administration and even DoD made even easier with much more accessible information over the past four years, investigative journalism. Which was the reason for the almost instant corrections by many that just grew since the article was posted, along with the questions about the articles purpose itself.

You can read the original Esquire article, the response to from Stars and Stripes and the response to the Stars and Stripes from Esquire with their updated, easy to get originally, corrections.

You can also now hear in his own words, not after the original was posted and he was interviewed by a few others, answering questions about.

Summary: Ray Suarez talks with journalist Phil Bronstein who wrote an Esquire profile of the Navy SEAL credited with killing Osama bin Laden. Since the SEAL -- known as "the shooter" -- retired from service, but he's been met with significant challenges, or as Bronstein writes, "no landing pad in civilian life."

Watch Navy SEAL Who Killed Bin Laden Faces Insecurity, Challenges on PBS. See more from PBS NewsHour.

Or read the Transcript of.

You can read the Esquire article, the Stars and Stripes response, even search out others, and the Esquire response to Stars and Stripes and the others since the article hit.

I'll let you decide what's going on here and if there's a deep problem, I'm trying to figure out what the original is selling, though as a Vietnam vet I have strong feelings about the reasons.

My questions over the past decade plus, frankly adding to others about many issues, has been about the state of journalism in this country and that opinion is now called news. As to journalism what is a real investigative journalist, as many who really are have been pushed out of the main stream and rarely heard from but with the occasional explosive reports that hit quick then die as quick, opinion takes over as facts and reality, especially on the political scene.

I understand why SEAL Team 6 members, in the raid that killed bin Laden, have been sought out, as a certain recent past CiC stated "mission accomplished" years prematurely. I understand the importance of this ex-SEALs story especially related to a clear history related to 9/11.

Esquire could have written a much better article and much more important as to All Veterans, but so could all of the media outlets, written and spoken, by taking this SEALs story as a Military Veteran now, and his importance in the history, and expanded it into what all Veterans go through after Serving the Country, so many issues, and what is the Responsibility of the Country as to those that Serve and Defend them.

What came with these two wars, why tax cuts to all but especially the already wealthy. By the then congresses and the bush administration, told to the country by bush "to go shopping" as the economy and jobs had already started collapsing with the growth in deficits. Virtually nothing as to the peoples responsibility, the Veterans Administration, were called for let alone that with two more wars the country should Sacrifice as we demand the military and their families to.

It's interesting that the article comes with the Obama SOTU address, reminding us of a not to far back other SOTU and the blatant lie told, from the same that wasn't demanding Sacrifice of the country. Many are calling the most memorial statement ever from any SOTU.

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." This one line in President George W. Bush's 2003 State of the Union address overshadowed all the others, becoming infamously known as the "16 words."

As even Rachel Maddow reminded us last night.

This Esquire journalist, executive chairman of the Center for Investigative Reporting, should write or oversee an article about how the country wasn't asked to Sacrifice while being lied to and abandoning the main missions of why the military was sent into that region, how the Veterans Administration has been under funded for decades, since Korea, but especially the last decade plus, and how much more it costs to correct problems from that long under funding. How the wars have yet to be paid for, and all related costs to wage the policies that surrounded them including the damaged National Security. But especially as to the results of and what the country that waves flags, has welcome homes now, even for us Vietnam vets 40plus years later, puts on parades occasionally, owes to those that serve it! And not only Esquire!

Esquire does have another article up 'The Shooter' On the Hill and you can bet that those he's meeting with in Congress will once again miss the bigger point!

Long, way too long, overdue!

How does a Country HONOR It's Fallen, by Their Own 'Sacrifice' in Taking Care of the Brothers and Sisters They Served With!!
That's the real tragedy, as a military veteran within the veterans community, that should come out of the history of the SEALs who did the Mission and finally got bin Laden!!
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  •  Adding a few links below (6+ / 0-)

    That I was going to pop into an open thread but they're related to these two wars so might as well use this diary.

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 06:58:34 AM PST

  •  Afghanistan, Peace Through Music (2+ / 0-)
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    Afghan youth orchestra hopes to bring peace through music
    February 12, 2013 - New York's Carnegie Hall has hosted some of the greatest musicians in history. The group performing Tuesday night is perhaps the most unlikely ever to take the main stage. CBS News caught up with them when they performed in Washington.

    Milad Yousufi grew up in war-torn Afghanistan, and though he didn't have a piano, he did have an imagination.

    "I was drawing piano on the paper, and then I was playing it," Milad says.

    There was no access to a piano, because the Taliban, who controlled Afghanistan for five years, banned all non-religious music, saying it was "un-Islamic."

    "If they knew that you were listening to the music, probably they would kill you, because they did not like music," Milad says.  read more>>>

    A Better Place | Playing For Change

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:10:33 AM PST

  •  Did anyone see this on our msm (4+ / 0-)

    I certainly didn't, nor on any of the many media sites I visit, only caught it in my in-box in a google alert send:

    Italy's ex-spy chief convicted over 2003 CIA rendition
    12 February 2013 - Italy's former intelligence chief Nicolo Pollari has been sentenced to 10 years in prison for his role in the rendition of a terror suspect.

    The court in Milan also sentenced his former deputy Marco Mancini to nine years in jail over the 2003 kidnapping.

    Italy's courts have already convicted in absentia 22 CIA agents over the same case. The abducted Egyptian cleric said he was flown to Egypt and tortured.

    Pollari and Mancini are expected to appeal against their convictions.

    Defence lawyer Nicola Madia says he has not been able to properly defend his clients because the Italian government has declared the case covered by state secrecy laws.  read more>>>

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:13:09 AM PST

    •  And as to 'Accountability' (3+ / 0-)
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      Heads up, this isn't about the once United States, we don't discuss failed policies that put us in deeper damage and potential problems for years to come, we also don't do accountability as to those who lead 'In Our Names' those failed policies! We do allow them to walk into the comfortable sunset with the booty they've made off of while laying all blame on those that take up the leadership after and try to clean up the destructive disasters, or not!

      For democracy's sake, let's talk about our war in Iraq
      An inquiry would help us avoid repeating mistakes made 10 years ago

      February 14, 2013 - The largest anti-war demonstrations in Australian history began 10 years ago today

      Millions of people protested worldwide, in about 800 cities - including in Australia, Britain, Italy, Spain, Germany, Switzerland, Ireland, the United States, Canada, South Africa, Syria, India, Russia, South Korea, Japan, and even McMurdo Station in Antarctica.

      In Melbourne more than 100,000 people protested. They clogged Swanston Street for more than three hours, stretching all the way from the State Library down to Federation Square, demanding Australia not follow US president George Bush into war, and that we must allow UN weapons inspectors to do their work.

      Even though globally millions marched, their collective will was ignored, and a tragedy of monstrous proportions unfolded in Iraq.  read more>>>

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:15:35 AM PST

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  •  And for the Brother, and Sisterm Vietnam Vets (3+ / 0-)
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    Operation Homecoming for Vietnam POWs Marks 40 Years
    Newly freed prisoners of war celebrate as their C-141A aircraft lifts off from Hanoi, North Vietnam, on Feb. 12, 1973, during Operation Homecoming. The mission included 54 C-141 flights between Feb. 12 and April 4, 1973, returning 591 POWs to American soil. U.S. Air Force photo

    WASHINGTON, Feb. 12, 2013 – Forty years ago today, a C-141A Starlifter transport jet with a distinctive red cross on its tail lifted off from Hanoi, North Vietnam, and the first flight of 40 U.S. prisoners of war began their journey home through Operation Homecoming.

    By the day’s end, three C-141A aircraft would lift off from Hanoi, as well as a C-9A aircraft from Saigon, South Vietnam. In a steady flow of flights through late March 1973 under terms set through the Paris Peace Accords, 591 POWs returned to American soil.

    Americans were spellbound as they watched news clips of the POWs being carried in stretchers or walking tentatively toward U.S. officers at the awaiting aircraft for the first flight from Hanoi’s Gia Lam Airport.

    The POWs ranged from privates first class to colonels, all wearing new gray uniforms issued by the North Vietnamese just before their release.  read more>>>

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 07:42:59 AM PST

  •  more on Phil Bronstein (9+ / 0-)

    regardless of the debate about the facts of the article, people should know that Bronstein was until recently the editor of the San Francisco Chronicle, a paper that never saw a self-serving slam on a democratic politician it didn't like. During his tenure the paper did atrocious work related to Schwarzenegger, in particular, and provided plenty of column inches to conservative hacks like Debra Saunders. Under his leadership the chronicle occupied that "not quite right wing" space in the media where its primary job is to act as an engine of cynicism with moderates and liberals.

    He also got bit by a komodo dragon once at a southern california zoo while showing off to his then-partner sharon stone, but that's another story.

    •  I Still Think (3+ / 0-)
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      There's a book hype here.

      But More Importantly, just watch or listen to a Congressional Veterans Issues Committee Hearing, either house, especially with Veterans Administration personal invited to testify, and after the usual "what can we do to help" meme's come the usual suspect people's reps, tepubs and even conservative dems, start on the Attack, asking questions then not allowing answers but giving more attack speak, been going on for decades but especially the past decade plus!!

      Not a one feels guilty about what they've done but especially what they haven't as the spokes persons for those who hired them on the National Level!!!!!!!!

      And that's what the original piece was all about, while now he's been trying to walk it back, saying in the Newshour interview things like the SEAL isn't exactly broke etc. etc. etc.. And he's a so called top notch 'investigative reporter' My Ass!!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 08:27:30 AM PST

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  •  recently retired, there is a "line" for services (3+ / 0-)
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    I am recently retired Army.

    I do not have the same problems as people who are recently discharged, nor do I speak in any official capacity.

    However, the VA and other official and unofficial service providers have admitted there is a backlog of cases.

    Some official statements put that backlog at several thousand, others at several hundred thousand, and that's just for disability.

    I retired under the previous administrations' now uncovered urgings not to "hand out" disability. So I got 1% and 0% rating  (won't bore you with details).

    The backlog means people are looking, really looking at VA claims. That's good. The VA just needs about a trillion or so new dollars to do the job of cleaning up after these wars.


    Supposedly, some are flirting with the idea of "fastlane" treatment for some veterans, such as this guy who was in Navy Special Operations. While an interesting proposal, that does not solve the problem.

    •  Contact me. (1+ / 0-)
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      503SixTwoFour6072

      Those who fought the war in Afghanistan won it. Get them out of Afghanistan NOW . . . It's long past time. Those who want to wage the next war in Afghanistan are condemned to lose it.

      by llbear on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 09:25:29 AM PST

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    •  No Kidding!!! (0+ / 0-)

      And Why? Simple, the VA, as I keep saying, has been under funded for Decades, but Especially this past decade and the two more wars of choice, it's not rocket science, as they say!!

      What wasn't done previous was carried over into, DeJa-Vu all over again, not being done as the extremely quick growth in the needs of the VA came with both new wars, thus backing up the system totally, hell I could buy better up to date technology off the shelf then the VA was using let alone the rush of programs used on them!

      This All costs tons more in playing catch up and trying to find the right systems to handle the overload, that's been a constant as the country ignores not only the VA but the veterans when they return!!

      It isn't the VA, ever here anyone condemning any related problems to those found in the private sector that correspond, especially a hired rep. as they bash the VA also, their jobs being to make sure the agency is fully funded Especially when we send the military into invade others and they turn into long destructive occupations!

      Like I said above, too long, way too long, for the country to get what their responsibility is to those that serve and defend it, instead of giving their reps what they do no questions asked!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 09:54:04 AM PST

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  •  I called a Navy SEAL about this (4+ / 0-)

    SEALS process out of the service differently than other enlisted people. In order to protect their identity SEALS were exempt from the fairly new and still developing repatriation program.

    Well, part of that program includes a briefing about the VA and what it will do for you, how to access it from where you plan to live, and the degree of VA healthcare to which you are entitled. As an intrigal part of the program, regular enlisted personnel are enrolled into the VA then and there. They come out of the program with a primary care doctor and an appointment to see her/him.

    That's what the SEALS are missing. DoD is changing that right now - but it's not a done deal yet. Everyone working on out-processing SEALS needs a Top Secret Clearance. All SEALS have to remain in contact with the SEAL program for 6 years following discharge [and can be re-activated any time during that 6 year period], so all of those SEALS will be contacted and enrolled in the VA.

    Those who fought the war in Afghanistan won it. Get them out of Afghanistan NOW . . . It's long past time. Those who want to wage the next war in Afghanistan are condemned to lose it.

    by llbear on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 09:21:58 AM PST

    •  That's what the Hit (1+ / 0-)
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      Piece, the original and even his attempts to walk back the simple to find proof of the spin wrote in it, was about, and done with no research and by a so called 'investigative journalist' who put his name to it even if he didn't write it.

      bear, anyone could have found out the information very quickly including this SEAL, and he was processed out with it all there.

      What I'm posting about isn't so much about the SEAL, hell one can find these young returning military joining the veterans community all over the place and many going through even worse, like homelessness, married, single, whatever.

      It's about a hit piece by an established rag that frankly doesn't exist in the real world, like the country and it's ignored obligations, and like most of the media continues to show it doesn't!

      Now they're trying to sell that the family isn't covered. You find a veteran, special forces or not, that's having trouble, jobs, economic, whatever, and is a young vet covered, the family is to, not by the VA but by medicaid etc..

      This SEAL is an easy to use tool of the hit because he claims he shot bin Laden, #1 on the international criminal terrorist list, so the easily gullible, not caring they haven't sacrificed a dime, start screaming "we should be treating him like a hero" because he happened to go on an important mission and according to his story was the one who pulled the trigger killing binny!! Fine, they buy that then pony up, a decade plus of tax cuts, especially for the wealthy, and growth in deficits means they haven't paid a dime, as they scream for more tax cuts, wars and vets of forgotten, even by their reps who rubber stamped the mess!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 10:08:25 AM PST

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      •  IIRC Bronstein had a good rep as a writer (0+ / 0-)

        But this is an inexcusable mess. The guy being used - the SEAL - can't very well call bullpucky on him either.

        Those who fought the war in Afghanistan won it. Get them out of Afghanistan NOW . . . It's long past time. Those who want to wage the next war in Afghanistan are condemned to lose it.

        by llbear on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 04:04:21 PM PST

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    •  Outside of the Health and Money (0+ / 0-)

      Now this Bronstein saying he isn't exactly broke, same goes for saying the SEAL is worried about his and his families security because of that mission. Even in the Newshour interview he gets that all wrong as well. Siting the previous SEAL and his book and how his name came out and was instantly posted up on jihad websites. The reality could be quickly found if researched. According to reports he was outed by either another SEAL  or SEALs who were pissed off that he wrote the book, his name, where he was from and where living now and they bragged about it till getting caught and called out but extreme damage already done!

      This Bronstein's agenda seems to be the normal decades long bash the VA but especially this Administration, the only branch of government doing anything on a regular basis for the military their families and all veterans, what they can with what limits they have, and the country eats that up, DeJa-Vu all over again, as I keep saying!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Thu Feb 14, 2013 at 10:50:00 AM PST

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