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The sad details of Mega-Evangelist Rick Warren's son's suicide has taken a sudden political turn.  Here are the facts:

Pastor Rick Warren said his son killed himself with an unregistered gun he purchased through the Internet.

Warren sent a tweet Thursday saying he forgives whoever sold the weapon to his 27-year-old son Matthew, who committed suicide last Friday.

The Orange County Sheriff's Department is trying to find the seller but it won't be easy. The gun's serial number was scratched off, making it impossible to trace, spokesman Jim Amormino said.

"We can't tell if it's registered or not because the serial number is scratched off," he said. "At one point in time, it may have been, but it's going to be impossible to find out."

It's illegal in California to buy a gun without a background check and purchasers are supposed to register their firearms. Defacing a gun's serial number is a federal offense.

Now, let's juxtapose this with the ignorance coming from my lame Senator Marco Rubio:
Marco Rubio – a new senator, but already looking past Florida, thinking of running for President. And that has Rubio running to the right – opposing a bill on comprehensive background checks. Rubio would let criminals and the dangerously mentally ill get guns without a background check.  

Even worse, Rubio has said he would filibuster the vote in Washington – so the Senate won't even be able to vote on background checks.

http://www.miamiherald.com/...

I can't wait to see if the millions of evangelicals who adore Rick Warren will turn their wrath on a system that allows the internet sale of guns to a completely mentally ill American.

This is an example of a sad scenario that cons are fighting so hard to protect.

Those who participated in the gun filibuster are a national disgrace. Those who vote against the background checks are even worse.

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  •  I wouldn't be so forgiving (0+ / 0-)

    The vendor has not demonstrated repentance, has he/she?  Setting that aside, I would certainly not forget.

    If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

    by marykk on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:19:52 AM PDT

  •  Ah beat me to it (1+ / 0-)
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    TomP

    I'll take down my diary.

    "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

    by Steven D on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:23:57 AM PDT

  •  ** a moment of respect for the deceased ** (6+ / 0-)

    * another moment *

    If we could pass Evangelism Control, it might actually save more lives from suicide, than guns.  The hate and intolerance that evangelism fosters ill prepares a person to cope with the stresses of adjusting to a diverse and challenging world.   Children of these people are taught that what they are is something to be hated, sometimes by evangelist parents who don't realize what they are doing, because the kids are too scared to share what's on their minds with their parents, because their parents are so busy hating.  

  •  Let's see... (3+ / 0-)
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    TomP, Steven D, Buckeye Nut Schell

    ...in the past year we've had two mass killings with guns (Aurora, Newtown), one of which was particularly horrific because the victims were all young children, and countless handgun deaths; and two mass knife attacks (one in China, one in Texas) in which no one died.

    And now rick Warren't son, also dead by gun.

    You really have to believe an infinitely patient God is watching all of this, waiting for Americans to see the light.  Guns might not be evil, but love of guns is the root of much evil.

    The road to Hell is paved with pragmatism.

    by TheOrchid on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:25:44 AM PDT

  •  What, Warren did not say that his son's suicide (3+ / 0-)
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    fat old man, dss, S F Hippie

    was a cost we must pay for our Second Amendment rights?  The NRA will be angry.

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:28:44 AM PDT

  •  I interpret Warren's comments to mean (1+ / 0-)
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    Joy of Fishes

    that he thinks selling a gun on-line is a sin.  That's an interesting position.  I wonder if he thinks it should be illegal.

    So I see only tatters of clearness through a pervading obscurity - Annie Dillard -6.88, -5.33

    by illinifan17 on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 05:31:13 AM PDT

  •  Don't hold your breath (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, mdmslle
    I can't wait to see if the millions of evangelicals who adore Rick Warren will turn their wrath on a system that allows the internet sale of gun to a completely mentally ill American.
    I really won't be surprised if Warren himself comes out against gun control soon.
  •  They won't do this (2+ / 0-)
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    campionrules, VClib
    I can't wait to see if the millions of evangelicals who adore Rick Warren will turn their wrath on a system that allows the internet sale of gun to a completely mentally ill American.
    unless Rick Warren does it first, which it doesn't seem he has.  

    I just hope nobody is crass enough to use this very personal family tragedy for political exploitation, on either side.  Those parents have lost a child to suicide.  I hope they are able to grieve in peace.  

  •  Evangelicals won't care (6+ / 0-)

    Mr. Warren was mentally, ill, but he only killed himself. Not my problem.

    And if he had killed 20 Kindergartners plus himself, still not my problem.

    If he had killed MY Kindergartner, then it's my problem, and why didn't the government do something about it?

    Hopefully ...... soon, Mom. My political compass: - 8.38,-6.97

    by pucklady on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:04:34 AM PDT

  •  Most People Who Murder Themselves Or Others (2+ / 0-)
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    greengemini, createpeace

    get their guns from personal sales.  Need to put a stop of any guns being sold personally by anyone that does not have license to sale weapons.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 06:21:59 AM PDT

    •  This is already the law in California. (3+ / 0-)
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      createpeace, ancblu, erush1345

      Has been for years. Along with a 10 day waiting period.

      It hasn't really helped,  and it's clear why... regulations of legal markets don't have much effect on black markets.

      --Shannon

      "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
      "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

      by Leftie Gunner on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 10:42:40 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  A legitimate question (5+ / 0-)

    Since the seller chose not to do a background check, and was selling an illegal (serial number removed) weapon and the weapon involved was apparently not an "assault weapon"...

    How exactly would any of the proposed laws done anything to prevent this from happening? The sale was already illegal under current law since it involved an illegal weapon.

    If the new laws being proposed would have made no difference, then there is no "political" angle to the story.

    comment:

    I just hope nobody is crass enough to use this very personal family tragedy for political exploitation, on either side.
    first line of the diary:
    The sad details of Mega-Evangelist Rick Warren's son's suicide has taken a sudden political turn.
    •  I do not see why they are not proposing... (0+ / 0-)

      a federal gun license.  Take the training, take the test, get your license (just like getting a driver's license) and you are pre-cleared to buy or sell a gun whenever you want to or from whoever you want as long as they have a valid license as well.  

      One quick hotline call verifying the license is still valid before any transaction is all that would be required.  It could be monitored through the ATF.

      Would it stop every sale? No.. but it would reduce and it would give an avenue of traceability if something goes wrong.

      "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

      by Buckeye Nut Schell on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 01:36:09 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  see what i wrote below.... (0+ / 0-)

      and see if my research holds as to why laws could have helped..

  •  More to this tragedy than meets the eye... (2+ / 0-)
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    greengemini, Buckeye Nut Schell

    Everyone is crying out for peace; no one's crying out for justice...

    by mojave mike on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 07:10:51 AM PDT

  •  "Illegal guns?" (1+ / 0-)
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    greengemini

    Aren't we supposed to say "undocumented guns?" There's no such thing as an illegal gun - unless you believe in those "laws" and such.

  •  To folks here saying the gun was already illegal.. (1+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA

    ....as it had it's serial number removed.... I think if my research is right, that the Toomy Manchin bill if it were in place could have discouraged this still. Folks do help fact check me here but i think this is true:

    It seems that each state varies in how they handle this but In CA, it's only a misdemeanor to sell a firearm with no serial number inside state lines.

    (That surprised me but seems so:
    http://law.onecle.com/...)

    And as we know it's fully legal to sell firearms online via this loophole with no background check. Which should not be but it is.

    But hypothetically, if the Toomey-Machin bill were in place the act of selling a weapon like this to Matthew Warren an illegal gun with no background check would have jumped from being a misdemeanor, to becoming a misdemeanor PLUS A 10 YEAR FELONY.

    THAT could have possibly changed the sellers mind if it was worth it for the low dollar sale of a hot shotgun over the web.

    •  Curous what people think of this (0+ / 0-)

      And if my research holds up. Also i am pretty sure that under Toomey-Machin, violating that background check would be the same felony that licensed firearm sellers would see NOW if they didn't do a check and sold a firearm. But do help me confirm that.

  •  Pulling weeds (0+ / 0-)

    Hope you don't mind, I quoted your post in my post to that right-wing  sewer, WashTimes, on death of Matthew Warren. Also included hard words for E Miller after her dishonest interview with A Cooper.

    Rest in Peace, Matthew. I suffer from depression as well. It is a struggle EVERY day.

    Now, on to more unpleasant (if that is possible) business. Since WashTimes in general, and Ms Miller specifically, view gun regulations as a left wing conspiracy with no social benefit, the following is offered in opposition. Curiously, none of this information was "reported" by the WashTimes.  Go figure.

    "Pastor Rick Warren said his son killed himself with an unregistered gun he purchased through the Internet. Warren sent a tweet Thursday saying he forgives whoever sold the weapon to his 27-year-old son Matthew, who committed suicide last Friday.

    The Orange County Sheriff's Department is trying to find the seller but it won't be easy. The gun's serial number was scratched off, making it impossible to trace, spokesman Jim Amormino said.

    "We can't tell if it's registered or not because the serial number is scratched off," he said. "At one point in time, it may have been, but it's going to be impossible to find out."

    It's illegal in California to buy a gun without a background check and purchasers are supposed to register their firearms. Defacing a gun's serial number is a federal offense.

    I can't wait to see if the millions of evangelicals who adore Rick Warren will turn their wrath on a system that allows the internet sale of guns to a completely mentally ill American. (Joelgp)

    They actually had to pry Matthew's "cold, dead hands" off the weapon. A self-fulfilling prophesy.

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