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even though i think these red vs blue stereotyping is overblown, the Christian Science Monitor runs a decent article on how Georgia went from Dem to GOP. people who drive Hummers and live in gated communities are the worst scum IMO.

http://csmonitor.com/2004/0715/p01s02-uspo.html

I don;t think jesus would drive one, nor would he want us to live barricaded from our other in-Christ brothers and sisters.

Originally posted to ihlin on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 10:31 AM PDT.

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  •  but Supply Side Jesus would... (none)
    The Gospel of Supply Side Jesus
    By Al Franken
    Illustrations by Don Simpson
    excerpt here:
    http://www.beliefnet.com/story/132/story_13245.html

    Conservatives think America is a Christian nation... Liberals think America ought to act like one.

    by its simple IF you ignore the complexity on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 10:44:00 AM PDT

  •  VERY interesting (none)
    I wonder if this is a series of articles on different states.
  •  I wonder (none)
    ...though he is firmly against gay marriage, and on abortion says: "Only the good Lord has the right to choose life and death."

    I wonder what his stance is on the death penalty?

    "Our lives begin to end when we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by Bob in Atlanta on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 10:52:56 AM PDT

  •  I have a hunch (none)
    that "Mark and Sandy," who previously supported dems but are now registered repubs since the GOP is supportive of their type of corporation, work for that security firm that is providing security/mercenary services in Iraq [and protecting the shrub against protesters here in the states].  

    Isn't it based in Georgia--I think it's called Vance something or other.

    •  "Mark" and "Sandy" are me (none)
      first, small 'r' Republicans.  There is hope for them, if only because at some point they might wake-up and realze that the so-called-conservative Republicans (big R's because they run the party) would be coming after them if they finish off the Democrats.  "Mark" and "Sandy" are useful idiots.  

      "Reality" is the only word in the English language that should always be used in quotes.

      by LionelEHutz on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 11:12:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I nearly cracked up when I read these passages... (none)
    Pilcher, a Baptist deacon and retired data cruncher for SunTrust Bank, says he's an independent. But as a self-described conservative, he identifies with the GOP far more than with the Democrats. Like many in Crabapple, he admits his vote for President Bush this fall is pretty much assured.

    It's not just because he sees Bush as standing up for "traditional" morals...

    ...The main thing driving his vote is a fervent belief in "self-reliance," the responsibility of all men, as he puts it, to make their own way in the world. He took this lesson, he says, from his father. But while Pilcher's father was a Democrat, he now finds these values and beliefs in the platform of the GOP.

    The kool-aid down there must be pretty strong if he thinks that Bush stands for making one's own way in the world.  I guess this deacon believes that starting life on 3rd base is hitting a triple.  Can we reach people that are this oblivious to reality?  I don't think so.  

    "Reality" is the only word in the English language that should always be used in quotes.

    by LionelEHutz on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 11:03:32 AM PDT

  •  Civil Rights Act of 1964? (none)
    I think the article is kind of ridiculous- "2002 as a tipping point?"  Not really- everyone had been expecting a republican majority for years- just like the rest of the South.

    If the author wants a tipping point, I'd look at the 1990 redistricting when blacks and the GOP united to create more districts for themselves and eliminated white moderate Democrats.  But even that simply speeded an inevitible occurance.

    Sure, Atlanta exurbs have exploded and created a 'new conservatism' but it really goes back to the 'Southern Strategy'.  

  •  Ah, Mark and Sandy (none)
    "We know this will mean death and destruction and the erosion of rights for many in the country. But it's more important to us to have a humongo mansion. Sorry poor women, gay folks and soldiers!"
  •  To be honest (none)
    it is very steroidal, as in outsized portions of cheap food, Hummers vs the new Cadillac every two years and whatever, but it sounds like the Old South to me.  Parking for "rednecks".  Got the message.  

    I guess we have Gen. Boykin Rules of Engagement: our god is bigger.

    by Marisacat on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 11:14:45 AM PDT

  •  Religious Right justification of SUVs (none)
    See the attached link for a view on how IRD (Istitute of Religion and Democracy) = religious right views driving hummers and suvs.

    "what would Jesus drive?"

    Two wrongs don't make a right. But two rights make a wrong.

    by zephyr on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 11:30:44 AM PDT

    •  and their bottom line is: (none)
      "The "What Would Jesus Drive?" campaign is not really about helping the poor, or glorifying the Creator.  It is instead one more liberal guilt trip for wealthy people in the West whose greatest angst is determining what their next vehicle will be."

      Of all the theories floating around about the voting priorities of gated-dwellers, the one that's making more sense to me of late is the one that says their votes are about feeling victimized.
      +they're 'victims' of affirmative action
      +they're 'victims' of crime-in-the-streets if only because they're scared
      +they're 'victims' of environmentalists
      +they're 'victims' of alternative lifestyle messages

      ...and all this because right wing radical radio tells them so.

    •  Summary (none)
      "Sure, Jesus wouldn't want people driving expensive SUVs.  But liberals are bad, baaad.  They really just care about the environment, not Christianity.  Jesus didn't care about the environment.  The environment will be fine if we indulge by driving SUVs.  Don't let the liberals distract you by bringing up God.  (P.S. Praise Jesus, vote Republican!)"

      "I pledge resistance, to the grass, that hides the snakes of America."

      by WAmod on Thu Jul 15, 2004 at 11:44:13 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Misleading article. (none)
    Clinton won Georgia in '92 in large part due to Ross Perot. Yes, Perot took votes away from Clinton as well as Bush, but if Perot hadn't been running, Bush would have won GA.

    Thanks for the article, ihlin. I have to admit I couldn't get past the first page. It broke my heart, especially when they glossed over Chambliss' ugly slander and Osama/Saddam ads.

  •  Crabapple? Birmingham Highway? (none)
    Holy crap — this is more or less where we live.

    Mr. Pilcher, a man who still tends his own tomatoes, likes to tell the story of his neighbor who spent $200,000 on a polo field that has rarely been used.

    I think I know where he lives, then.  Heck, along his side of the road, if I'm counting right, there may only be one house between ours and his (of course, it's still about two miles away from us).



    From his cluttered antique shop on Crabapple Corner, Emory Reeves has watched his town change for 35 years. These days, the talkative D-Day veteran shares a ZIP code with singer Kenny Rogers, media mogul Ted Turner, and several of the Atlanta Braves. With wealth, he notes, has come a rise in Republicanism.

    Well, then, we're not talking about Crabapple anymore; while his shop may be at Crabapple Corners (an intersection which has approximately 5,324 antique shops), the aforementioned celebrities live at County Club of the South, which is several miles east of Crabapple, well over on the other side of Georgia 400 (unless, of course, the ZIP code for Country Club of the South is as stretchy and elongated as our ZIP code is, which I doubt).

    Anyway, this is just kind of freaky. I mean, in Atlanta terms, we live in the back side of beyond — it's strange to see something like this in a national publication.



    For what it's worth, though, y'all don't have to worry about me turning all Republican on you — I have, if anything, been moving steadily Demwards over the last decade, in part because the Georgia Republican party simply sucks. Georgia has exactly one prominent Republican politician whom I can stand, and, as luck would have it, he's my current Representative.

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