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Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 09:31 PM PDT.

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  •  The Big Dog (none)
    I missed the LATE SHOW. Did President Clinton make any news?
      •  Actually, my question to Brokaw, et al. is: (4.00)
        How does it feel to carry John Stewart's water?  I mean he shows the hypocracy of aWol's statement that "the Murikan people are safer" juxtaposed against yesterday's quip "Murika is a nation in danger".  Is there a flip-flopper on the campaign trail?  You betcha.  Is it Kerry?  You tell me.  Even Faux News wouldn't be able to spin this after the VIDEO presentation...

        Jeebus, America.  Do you really like being played like a fiddle?  Is the Commander in Chimp really the antidote to the itch of curiosity?  (I suppose I've just answered my own question... sadly)  

        I'm just very pessimistic tonight.

        He who gives up liberty in exchange for security is deserving of neither

        by joby on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 02:07:40 AM PDT

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    •  Dave was simpatico (4.00)
      Letterman asked a lot of policy questions, including one on "troubled Africa" that seemed tailor-made for Big Dog to act serious and wonkish about--Clinton's advice to Kerry was to act more wonkishly and you''ll win on policy.

      Clinton got his biggest laugh by referencing a joke DL told in the monologue, where DL mentioned the urban legend about Richard Gere in the emergency room for "gerbiling" (Britsh spelling "gerbilling"--the gerbil joke refered to Alexandra K's talk of hamster revival). Clinton said "I was afraid to come out here after that gerbil joke," then looked downward.

      DL seemed very sympathetic to Ds in general, but I was a bit aggravated with Clinton. DL gave him the perfect opportunity to denounce the phony terror warning by Ridge this weekend, but Clinton sympathized with it, giving BushCo spin. That's OK, but Big Dog could easily have added that the warning was problematic because Ridge didn't mention that the info was 3-4 years old, and Ridge also praised W in the warning. While stilll being gracious, Clinton could have said, "I'm wondering who wrote Ridge's announcement, leaving out something relevant but important, while putting in sonething irrelevant and political."

    •  AP summary (4.00)
      here.

      "Of all the people I dealt with in Congress," Clinton said in part, "he cared the most about trying to find programs that would keep young, inner-city minority kids out of trouble and out of jail and in school.

      "There were no votes in this for John Kerry ... He just did it cause he thought it was right."

      Watching the show, it struck me (again) that the best thing about Clinton as a Kerry surrogate is just to remind voters of the intrinsic "American value" of brains.

    •  President Clinton (none)
      I thoroughly enjoyed his Late Show appearance. No, he didn't make much of the age of the intelligence, but he did make some solid points about the large number of plans that Al Qaeda makes. He also made a strong push for Kerry's strength on both foreign and domestic affairs, and expressed his belief that Kerry will be in a very strong position once he gets over the hump of convincing people that he will be strong when it comes to the war on terror.

      Letterman also brought up a relative of his who had the "let's not change horses in the middle of the stream" argument, and Clinton took it seriously while expressing his belief that Kerry can get over that by being very specific about his plans for when he becomes president.

    •  Clinton in Toronto today doing book-signings (none)

      Our hopes are high. Our faith in the people is great. Our courage is strong. And our dreams for this beautiful country will never die. - Pierre Trudeau

      by tribe34 on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 07:00:17 AM PDT

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  •  Dem bones, dem bones. (4.00)
    Dem bones, dem bones
    Won't rise again.
    Just exercise your
    Franchise, my friend!

    Make your own!

    ...And when they needed someone to go on a beer run, George W. Bush said, "Send me!" - A. McGruder

    by Pyewacket on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 01:36:01 AM PDT

  •  What is the Governor's race (none)
    doing right now in Missouri?
  •  I gotcha Bump right here, cnn (4.00)
    afp
    Grand Rapids

    afp
    Milwaukee

    •  are those two (none)
      large red pterodactils above his head?
      •  No, it's one of Giblets' giant robots (4.00)
        Unfortunately, it's not very well made, and it's walking in the wrong direction. So he isn't going to be able to kidnap the candidates and demand ransom in gold an ham jello while laughing maniacally and insisting that all the people at the rally BOW BEFORE GIIIIBLETTSS!!!

        "The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret" - T. Pratchett (change @ for AT to email)

        by bellatrys on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 02:25:20 AM PDT

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    •  On The Polls (none)
      Everyone who hasn't already should check out Saletan in Slate.

      Of course, Kos said the same thing, in fewer words ... but Saletan warmed my heart with his analysis of the details.

      (And get it? Not toast, but warm bread?)

    •  As reported elsewhere... (4.00)
      John Kerry drew 20,000-25,000 in Grand Rapids, heart of the Republican area of Michigan.  To give a little context, "about 4,000 people turned out to see Bush, who spoke Friday only a few blocks away in a filled-to-capacity auditorium at the downtown community college."
    •  Dubuque, Iowa: (4.00)

      The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

      by mikepridmore on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 01:54:46 AM PDT

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    •  Hope to see him (Kerry) (none)
      I guess an advantage for being a swing state is Kerry will most likely end up here at some time or another and I may get to see the guy.  The disadvantage is Bush might also come, and I wouldn't want to get within three states of him.  Last year he came to Oregon and in the exact spot he was going to speak, a forest fire started and burned umpteen acres long after he left.  He just brings bad energy wherever he goes.

      The opposite of war is not peace, it's creation. --Jonathan Larson

      by pacifica on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 02:16:47 AM PDT

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      •  I want to go see Kerry, too. (none)
        It is something we can DO. I wouldn't worry about Bush. I don't think you would be willing to sign the loyalty pledge. I wouldn't mind going to Bush, if I was allowed my dignity, but then we ARE talking Republicans.

        Kerry OTOH is drawing big crowds, and I am very heartened by that. I am also sure that the other side is worried as hell by it. Bush can't get in front of a big crowd. He can't give interviews or news conferences. He can't lead. What the hell can he do, anyway?

        Regime Change Begins at Home. Prune the Shrub and Cut the Dick.

        by oofer on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 05:06:08 AM PDT

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    •  Those ... FRENCH! (none)
      That "afp" caption next to your photos: would that be "agence france presse", perhaps?  
      Clearly, the dastardly French-commie propaganda machine has manufactured images designed to convince the American electorate that the belchin' waffling Kerry campaign has any life left after that Bush-bashing, appeasing love-fest in Boston.

      (For the humor-impaired: watch your head, parody above!)

  •  Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (3.93)
    http://www.swiftvets.com/

    Some research on this group

    Here are the 10 crewmates who served with Kerry in Vietnam. All but Steve Gardner support John Kerry and stood with him as he made his speech to the DNC. (except Tom Belodeau who is deceased .

    I'll let them speak for themselves, including Steve Gardner. The following are sourced quotes.  

    PCF-94
    Starting in late January 1969, this crew completed 18 missions over an intense and dangerous 48 days, almost all of them in the dense jungles of the Mekong Delta. The most intense action came during an extraordinary eight days of more than 10 firefights, remembered by Kerry's crew as the "days of hell."

    David Alston
    Rev. Alston is from Columbia, SC and served in Vietnam in the Navy as a Gunners Mate on PCF-94 with Senator Kerry.

     "David Alston was the gunner atop Kerry's pilot house. Kerry, he told an audience here, was a compassionate commander. `We were in a lot of firefights,' Alston said. `You learn a lot about people. After a firefight, John would come up to me and he would put his hand on me and he'd say, 'David, are you all right?' `I didn't know then that I had a man of God on my boat,' Kerry said. `That's probably why I'm here today'." [Orlando Sentinel, 1/31/04]

    `Down in the Mekong Delta, we lived together, we fought together, we bled together and we survived together,' said Alston. `Whether we were Democratic or Republican was not the issue,' he said. `The issues at that time were trust, courage, judgment and character.' Alston attached those attributes to Kerry and introduced his friend with no further ceremony." [Providence Journal-Bulletin, 3/23/03]

    Alston is the crewmate who gave a speech at the DNC last week. The text is here
    http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/

    Del Sandusky
    Mr. Sandusky is from Dunedin, FL and served in Vietnam in the Navy as the senior enlisted man on PCF-94 with Senator Kerry.

    "Kerry commanded a Navy `Swift Boat' that patrolled the Mekong delta. His crew recalls Kerry as brainy and extremely aggressive, `a good leader and a bit of a hard-charger,' says Del Sandusky from Elgin, Ill." [Washington Post, 6/2/02]
    "Del Sandusky, 58, of Elgin, Ill., and Clearwater, Fla., served under Kerry on a patrol boat in 1969. When another boat hit a mine, Kerry ordered the dead and injured brought on board and the sinking boat towed, six or seven miles, to the Gulf of Tonkin. Because Americans had died on the boat, Kerry, out of loyalty, wouldn't leave it behind for the enemy. `All the boat crew men volunteered to help in anyway we can,' with Kerry's political campaigns, Sandusky said. `Whatever he wants, we'll help him with. Because we believe in him.' " [AP, 12/6/02]

    Fred Short
    Mr. Short is from North Little Rock, AR and served in Vietnam in the Navy as a Gunners Mate on PCF-94 with Senator Kerry.

    "In 1969, I was Sen. Kerry's gun mate atop of the Swift boat in Vietnam. And I just wanted to let everyone know that, contrary to all the rumors that you might hear from the other side, Sen. Kerry's blood is red, not blue. I know, I've seen it.

    "If it weren't for Sen. John Kerry, on the 28th of February 1969, the day he won the Silver Star . . . you and I would not be having this conversation. My name would be on a long, black wall in Washington, D.C. I saw this man save my life."3
    3La Ganga, Maria L.   "Crewmates Attest to Kerry's Mettle as Wartime Commander."     Los Angeles Times.   29 July 2004   (p. A13).     Zoroya, Greg.   "Vietnam Crewmates Steady at Kerry's Side."     USA Today.   29 July 2004   (p. A4).

    Gene Thorson
    Mr. Thorson is from Ames, Iowa and served in Vietnam in the Navy as a Engineman on PCF-94 with Senator Kerry.

    In support of this grassroots deployment, 73,000 Iowa veteran households received a mailing in December from Kerry's Vietnam swift boat crewmate Gene Thorsen, of Ames, IA, rallying them to "stand up for John Kerry the same way he stands up for veterans."

    He said he knew back then that the skipper of his boat, John Kerry, was bound for high places. Almost 30 years later, Thorson got a call from Kerry asking for political help. Now, he often gives up his weekends to travel with other veterans and campaign with Kerry on his run for president.
    By: Matt Neznanski, Staff Writer July 19, 2004
    Ames Tribune

    "He took care of all of us. He really did," Thorson said.
    Des Moines Register

    Tom Belodeau is deceased, he served on PCF-94 with Kerry

    Kerry was helped by the fact that Belodeau stood beside him and said he had been misquoted."This man was not lying on the ground. This man was more than capable of destroying that boat and everybody on it. Senator Kerry did not give him that opportunity," Belodeau said. He also said that he was not sure whether or not he had hit the attacker.
    May 06, 2004 National Review Online

    Mike Medeiros
    Mr. Medeiros is from San Leandros, California and served in Vietnam in the Navy on PCF-94 with Senator Kerry.

    "He made good decisions, I believe proper decisions," said Mike Medeiros of San Leandro, Calif., who served for four months on Kerry's swift boat in Vietnam. "And the fact that we all returned alive is a good indication that they were the right decisions."Medeiros was reunited with Kerry in 1996, when Republicans were attacking his military record in a heated Senate race. Kerry's crew mates came to set the record straight at the Charlestown Navy Yard, the same place they stood shoulder-to-shoulder on the eve of his nomination acceptance.   
    ABCNEWS.com July 28, 2004 From  AP

    PFC-44
    Kerry captained this ship from November 1968 to January 1969. This command saw considerably less action

    Jim Wasser
    Mr. Wasser is from St. Anne, IL and served in Vietnam in the Navy as a Radarman on PCF-44 with Senator Kerry.

    Mr. Kerry took command of P.C.F.-44 with a veteran crew headed by Mr. Wasser, a radarman second class. "Always, when there's a new guy on the boat, you check him out," Mr. Wasser said. "It only took me a few days. We knew that we had somebody special that cared for us. We bonded."
    Combative and politically conservative, Mr. Wasser, from Kankakee, Ill., had a pair of American flags tattooed on his shoulder and still loathes Jane Fonda.
    NYTimes Febuary 24 2004

    What I saw back then [in Vietnam] was a guy with genuine caring and leadership ability who was aggressive when he had to be. What I see now is a guy who's not afraid to tackle tough issues. And he knows what the consequences are of putting people's kids in harm's way."
    2.   Braun, Stephen.   "Kerry's War Tour Serves as Theme, Target."     Los Angeles Times.   29 July 2004   (p. A13).     Brinkley, Douglas.   Tour of Duty: John Kerry and the Vietnam War.     New York: HarperCollins, 2004.   ISBN 0-06-056523-3.     Klein, Joe.   "The Long War of John Kerry."     The New Yorker.   2 December 2002.     Kranish, Michael.   "John F. Kerry: Candidate in the Making -- Part 2: Heroism, and Growing Concern About War."     The Boston Globe.   16 June 2003.

    Drew Whitlow
    Mr. Whitlow is from Huntsville, AR and served in Vietnam in the Navy as a Boatswain Mate on PCF-44 with Senator Kerry.

    "I figured with the abilities he had, he was going to go high, but I didn't have any idea about him running for president," said Whitlow, 57, wearing a cap decorated with Kerry campaign pins.
    Whitlow said he recalled Kerry as a humble seaman when he joined Whitlow's crew as a lieutenant junior grade in 1968.
    Kerry told crewmates, "I know you guys don't need me but I sure need you," said Whitlow, who served as a boatswain mate.
    "He accepted us for who we were," Whitlow said. "The decisions that he made saved our lives.
    "He never shot from the hip when it came to decisions," Whitlow said. "He'd always confront the problems head on."
    Whitlow, a Kerry campaign coordinator for veterans in western and southern Arkansas, began campaigning for Kerry in September 2003. In January, Whitlow traveled with Kerry to Iowa and New Hampshire.
    The Times Record Fort Smith, Arkansas  Thursday, July 29, 2004

    Bill Zaladonis
    Mr. Zaladonis is from Sanford, FL and served in Vietnam in the Navy on PCF-44 with Senator Kerry.

    "I never saw John back down from anything," crewmember Bill Zaladonis says
    April 13, 2004 USA Today

    Steve Hatch
    Mr. Hatch served in Vietnam in the Navy on PCF-44 with Senator Kerry.
    Stephen W. Hatch of Altoona, Pa., with four tattoos, who says he supports Mr. Kerry though he wants no part of politics.
    NYTimes Febuary 24 2004

    "He wouldn't let you go randomly down the river shooting up everything in sight," says Stephen Hatch, who served on the first of Kerry's two boats.
    April 13, 2004 USA Today

    Stephen M. Gardner
    Served in Vietnam in the Navy on PCF-44 with Senator John Kerry

    "Kerry was chickenshit," he insists. "Whenever a firefight started he always pulled up stakes and got the hell out of Dodge."    

    "I was driving down the road, and I hit that [radio] button and Rush was talking about Kerry and his campaign and how something just didn't feel right to him," Gardner recalled, his voice full of conviction. "Something about what John Kerry did or was doing, just really didn't set right with him. And you know I served with this guy, and the bottom line to it is; harsh as this may sound or as good as it sounds to any Democrat, out there, John Kerry is another `Slick Willy.' He's another Bill Clinton and that's exactly what he is. And I'm telling you right now, that if John Kerry gets to be president of these United States, it'll be a sorry day in this world for us. We can't stand another Democrat like that in there again. We'll get our asses in such a sling this time; we won't be able to get out of it. And the bottom line to it is, I don't care how much John Kerry's changed after he moved off my boat, his initial patterns of behavior when I met him and served under him was somebody who ran from the enemy, rather than engaged it. If I'd had Rush's 800 number, or known how to reach him, I would have called in."    

    "I've told a few of my friends that he was an asshole," Gardner says. "But I'm not looking to make news."    

    "Kerry sat some of them down and convinced them to buy into his side of what happened over there,"    

    "When you're as persuasive as Kerry it's not hard to make a guy change something that he saw."

    A recent interview with Gardner is at the Time link. The interview explains why he haven't been heard of until recently. All of the Gardner quotes are here and more.
    The author of the Time article states that he believes Gardner's motives are political, and after reading what he had to say I'm inclined to agree.    

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,599034,00.html     

    Jim Rassmann was not a crewmate but I think belongs here.
    Jim Rassmann
    Mr. Rassmann is from Florence, OR and served in Vietnam as a Special Forces Officer in the Army.

    He clung to the net as bullets whizzed past. `Next thing I knew, John came out in the middle of all this,' Rassmann says. `I couldn't believe it. He was going to get killed. He ran to the edge, reached over with his good arm [Kerry had been wounded in his right arm] and pulled me over the lip.' Rassmann later recommended Kerry for the Silver Star, and was upset when the Army instead awarded Kerry a lesser Bronze Star with a `V' for valor." [Los Angeles Times, 3/13/04]

    Under [Navy Admiral Elmo] Zumwalt's command, swift boats would aggressively engage the enemy. Zumwalt, who died in 2000, calculated in his autobiography that these men under his command had a 75 percent chance of being killed or wounded during a typical year.

    Here is Kerry's request to go to Vietnam
    http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Request_For_Swiftboat_Duty.pdf

    Swiftboats

    Interesting
    http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/mcherald/2004/07/13/news/nation/9142574.htm

    Research:

    I have seen this website. It reminds me of the attack on John McCain 2000.

    The leader of this group, John O'Neill didn't meet Kerry until 1971.

    from the website

    "our group includes men who served beside Kerry in combat as well as his commanders."

    The only man here who served beside Kerry in combat  is Steve Gardner.
    http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,599034,00.html

    Here is what his commanders said about Kerry in his fitness reports
    .

    Lieutenant Commander George Elliott

    In a combat environment often requiring independent, decisive action LTJG Kerry was unsurpassed. He constantly reviewed tactics and lessons learned in river operations and applied his experience at every opportunity. On one occasion while in tactical command of a three boat operation his units were taken under fire from ambush. LTJG Kerry rapidly assessed the situation and ordered his units to turn directly into the ambush. This decision resulted in routing the attackers with several enemy KIA.
    LTJG Kerry emerges as the acknowledged leader in his peer group. His bearing and appearance are above reproach. He has of his own volition learned the Vietnamese language and is instrumental in the successful Vietnamese training program.  
    During the period of this report LTJG Kerry has been awarded the Silver Star medal, the Bronze Star medal, the Purple Heart medal (2nd and 3rd awards).

    Lt. Commander Grant Hibbard

    Hibbard's evaluation was brief and incomplete because Hibbard oversaw Kerry's service for only about two weeks. Kerry's duty under Hibbard included "counter infiltration operations against Viet Cong forces. Engaged in combat operations." Hibbard marked a few performance categories, noting that Kerry's initiative, cooperation, and bearing ranked among the top few. But unlike other evaluators who wrote about specific actions by Kerry, Hibbard did not do so, providing this explanation: "The short period LTJG Kerry was attached to Coast Division 14 prevents further evaluation."

    Captain Adrian Lonsdale

    In the November 4, 1996, issue of South Coast Today, wrote: "Adrian Lonsdale remembers a young John F. Kerry as a naval officer who was a good debater, even back in his days in Vietnam. "'He and I and others used to have long discussions at the officers club,' said Mr. Lonsdale of Mattapoisett, a former Coast Guard officer who commanded a division in which the Massachusetts senator was attached back in 1969. 'They were very spirited discussions about the war and the politics back home.' "'He was opposed to the war but it didn't make any difference in his performance,' said the former owner and still instructor at Northeast Maritime Institute in New Bedford. 'He was a very good officer.' "Capt. Lonsdale was among a group of former Vietnam veterans the Massachusetts Democrat brought to the Charlestown navy yard recently to rebut a Boston Globe column that raised questions about Sen. Kerry's Vietnam service, particularly the Silver Star he won. "Mr. Lonsdale was in charge of a two-division flotilla opereating [sic] out of Phu Quoc, a big island near the Cambodian border. One division was made up of Swift boats, fast 50-foot offshore boats, while the other was composed of 82-foot Coast Guard patrol boats."
    Note this is not a fitness report

    Admiral Zumwalt

    Admiral Zumwalt signed Kerry's silver star recommendation. In 1996, he defended John Kerry in the midst of a close political campaign. Admiral Zumwalt is deceased, his son  decided to speak on his behalf on the website .

    Rear Admiral Roy Hoffmann
    I had a quote from Vietnam but I lost it. I will find it and out it another email.
    He did not write a fitness report.

    Captain Charles Plumly
    Kerry was under his command for a brief time. There are no reports from him about Kerry from 1969.

    Joseph Streuli and George M. Elliott

    Evaluation co-signed by Joseph Streuli and George M. Elliott on January 28, 1969, and March 17, 1969, respectively:
    ... exhibited all of the traits of an officer in a combat environment. He frequently exhibited a high sense of imagination and judgment in planning operations against the enemy in the Mekong Delta.

    Captain Allen W. Slifer

    October 19, 1967, evaluation from Captain Allen W. Slifer: "A top notch officer in every measurable trait. Intelligent, mature, and rich in educational background and experience, ENS Kerry is one of the finest young officers I have ever met and without question one of the most promising. "

    Admiral Walter F. Schlech

    March 2, 1970 evaluation from Admiral Walter F. Schlech:
    "... one of the finest young officers with whom I have served in a long naval career."

    Captain E.W. Harper, Jr

    September 3, 1968, evaluation from Captain E.W. Harper, Jr.:
    LTJG KERRY is an intelligent and competent young naval officer who has performed his duties in an excellent to outstanding manner.

    The last Four Commanders here are not mentioned on the website, but I think their evaluation of him belongs here. This list includes all Navy fitness reports.

    The other men on this website do not claim to have served with, commanded, or even know Kerry.

    I believe most of these men are anti-Kerry because of his activities after the war. If you read their statements, most don't even mention his service in Vietnam. The ones who do had something very different to say at the time. (except Gardner who said nothing then)
    It is their right to campaign against Kerry, but not to rewrite Kerry's service in Veitnam.

    The Commanders are career officers and I believe more likely to oppose anti-war activities

    This group has a couple big financial backers from Texas, who are not mentioned on the website. Their political donations for 2002 in Texas are noted below. They are also donors at the national level to republicans.

    Registered as a "527" organization with the Internal Revenue Service, the "Swift Boat Veterans" group can raise and spend unlimited amounts of money for campaign activities, but is prohibited from working directly with the Bush campaign or the Republican Party.

    http://membership.publicintegrity.org/527/docs/9558357.pdf

    This group has $158,000.

    $100,000  from Bob Perry he is from Texas
    Bob Perry donated $2,983,500 in fiscal year 2002 in Texas, 96,4% to republicans
    As far as I can tell he did not serve in the military, he is not mentioned on the website

    http://www.followthemoney.org/database/StateGlance/contributor.phtml?si=200243&d=562077

    $25,000    from Harlan Crow he is from Texas
    Harlan Crow donated $323,200 in fiscal year 2002 in Texas, 86% to republicans
    As far as I can tell he did not serve in the military, he is not mentioned on the website
    He is a Trustee of the Bush Library
    http://www.georgebushfoundation.org/bush/asp/OverView/Trustees.asp
    http://www.followthemoney.org/database/StateGlance/contributor.phtml?si=200243&d=562787

    $25,000    from O'Neill
    O'Neill is the leader of this group.

    •  why on earth did you do that? (2.07)
      it's your only comment.  are you a troll? (answer me honest now!)
    •  This is great (3.66)
      You should put it in a diary.
      •  I gave the post and the response (4.00)
        4's.  It was hard work and well worth the bandwidth.  And those who complain about the length while tolerating endless sub-threads on "you are a meanie" need to lighten up.  As for putting it in a diary, well apology to the diarists  but you might as well put it in a black hole.  There is a whole world of left-wing blogtopia out there (and yes skippy coined that term) and expecting busy people to not only scan main page dKos threads but also peruse diaries that disappear in a matter of moments is just too much.  Diaries are good practice for blogging, and if really good get elevated to the main page, but are in normal reality are just the equivalent of double A baseball, and comments to diaries are just whiffing into the wind.

        Diamondrock I am sure you meant well, but in real world terms "You should put it in a diary" is the equivalent of "Bury it on page A30" when the paper is only publishing "A1 to A15".

        •  That's why I suggested (none)
          posting the link to the diary; the problem with putting this in an open thread is that in a couple of weeks when I get up the gumption to go see my Repub mom and need talking points if she brings the subject up, I'm going to have trouble finding them. Plus, the link can be posted in an open thread, say once a week, for any new Kossians in the neighborhood who might need the info.

          Again, that's just me perhaps.

          "If this be treason, make the most of it." -- Patrick Henry

          Prune the Shrub!

          by Cali Scribe on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 12:06:15 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Thank you Polly (4.00)
      I knew the Bushies were going to do a Max Cleland on Kerry sooner or later -- well it has started.

      My only hope is that this time America will not stand for this sleeze once more --
      Enough is enough - this is not America - this is some sick demented parodi of America.
      God bless us all

    •  Thanks so much, Polly (none)
      My girlfriend's mom got the following chain e-mail several days ago from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth:

      "The truth does need to be known - look at the text.  Thank God for people
      not afraid to speak out the truth.  These come from people who were actually close to Kerry in Vietnam - with their pictures.  They are not afraid to speak out!  Pass this on to all your contacts - Republicans and Democrats!  Everyone needs to read it."

      ...followed by a bunch of bogus quotes from people who never actually served with Kerry.

      I sent your entire post to my girlfriend in the hopes that she can use it to convince her mom that Kerry's really a good guy.

      I like Paul Babbitt. After you read this, so will you.

      by Nonpartisan on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 04:40:58 AM PDT

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    •  That was one hell of a way (4.00)
      to make your entrance on DKos.

      Come on in, stay awhile.

      I have evidently Energised the Discourse and Made Politics Real Again. -Spider Jerusalem

      by agrajag on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 06:12:25 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  can you pull (none)
      this

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/8/3/234922/9088

      and your comment together in a diary and may be use a bit of bold and blockquote to format the white space so that it is easier to read?

      Great post, if it were a diary I would bookmark it for future use.

      "History is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued the self-defeating path of hate." - Martin Luther King

      by mimi on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 08:17:59 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  All I can think of... (none)
      is how much work you must have done to put this all together.  I, for one, want to thank you.  I do not care how long your post was, it was definitely worth reading.  For those who complain about it, scroll!

      Politics is what we create by what we do, what we hope for, and what we dare to imagine! - Paul Wellstone

      by Finn on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 09:41:08 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Advantage of a diary (none)
      If you put it in a diary, you (and others) can link to it in other threads, and people can save it in their hotlist for quick reference.
    •  One of your links is broken (none)
      The one about Kerry's 10th crewmate who is against Kerry, PCF-44 Gunner's Mate Stephen M. Gardner

      The correct link is
      http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,599034,00.html

      Time adds this juicy detail to Gardner's story:

      Which brought the interview to the crux of Gardner's beef against Kerry. Gardner--who remembers no important dates or times or locales--claims that Kerry once threatened him with a court martial. The incident happened when Gardner, who told me he had "no trouble shooting gooks," saw a Viet Cong guerilla with an AK-47 in a boat and started firing. "I lay the hammer down on him," Gardner explains. "I just put a finger on the gun: boom, boom, boom, boom. He's done. He got flipped out of the boat, he went straight down. That's when Kerry came running out of the guntub screaming `ceasefire, ceasefire, ceasefire.' Then he turned to me and said, `I ought to have you court-martialed for shooting.' I said, `Hmmph...sorry big boy. When somebody brings a gun up on me I'm gonna shoot and I'll ask questions later `cause I ain't goin' back in a body bag.'"

      The hardnosed Gardner returned from Vietnam in February 1969; Kerry came home a month later. The two men haven't spoken in nearly 35 years. Kerry has no recollection of any of Gardner's accusations, including the threatening of a court martial. None of PCF-44's crew trusts Gardner's memory. Today Gardner claims he works at Millennium Services (an insurance inspection company) and is bitter about Kerry's national prominence. At various times in our interview he complained about Kerry "running around with Hanoi Jane" after the war and having a "rich wife." And--like Limbaugh--he is determined to convince people that Kerry is Slick Willy incarnate.


      Excellent post, BTW!
  •  Internet Radio Show (none)
    What do you think about a new internet radio show?  It would be a left of center talk program on Sunday nights recapping the week's political events--kind of like a more fair and balanced MTP (though on a much smaller scale).

    I'll be working on something along these lines over the next month or so before the RNC.  Let me know if you have any ideas or feedback on this show.  I'll get back to the Kos community in the next while to solicit some more ideas and try to flush out the concept a little more.  Thanks!

    •  How would it be different from (none)

      "Right here, right now, watching the world wake up from history" - Jesus Jones

      by AlanF on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 11:04:26 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  AA programming (none)
          Isn't AA Sunday programs mainly repeats of their weekly shows?  I know from what I listen to at work and commuting on Sundays the programming leaves a lot to be desired.  
        I have no idea what the proposed show is truly like, but it might make a welcome addition to the AA line up.
         Just my $.02.and as a disclaimer I listen to AA on XM so there may be differences in programming.
        Oh a side note, I ask for everyone's help me get Allen Colmes removed  from the early morning time slot on XM's Radio Left. I have written them over and over.  At 5 in the AM his show is not something I want/need to hear.  http://www.xmradio.com/contact_us/contact_us.jsp

        "The mind once enlightened cannot again become dark." Thomas Paine

        by dukestriker on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 01:29:36 PM PDT

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        •  I'm sure Air America would love (none)
          to host your show. So why not work with them? I'm sure they program so many reruns out of necessity rather than choice. By the way, I like their weekday programming. I don't think I've listened to them on Sundays.

          "Right here, right now, watching the world wake up from history" - Jesus Jones

          by AlanF on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 09:48:21 AM PDT

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  •  Sy Hersh, where are ya? (4.00)
    I keep waiting to see the Abu Garaib (sp?) child abuse videos story break, but so far....? Has anyone seen anything to suggest that this really is moving forward and will acually get some coverage?
  •  Is more Abu Grabe news (none)
    about to break out?

    I know that it is probably partially motivated by the hearings today, but Nightline's interviews w/ Abu Grabe prisoners are powerful, and leaving me feeling very ashamed for our country.

    without love, a hearbeat is just a clock marking time

    by Madman in the marketplace on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 01:47:16 AM PDT

  •  is it just me (none)
    or should this story be getting more attention? if nothing else, to stop some other 'terrorist' from doing in the US...

    •  Whatever happened to.... (none)
      Seymour Hersch and his photos/videos of Abu Ghraib sodomy?  Is he saving them for release just before the election, or what?

      "Despite all your rage, you're still just a rat in a cage."

      by lowkell on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 07:21:22 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think there's more Abu Ghraib coming (none)
        On the one hand, in this morning's Philly Inky we have testimony that Lynndie England was just abusing for fun, and that there were never any orders from higher ups. (Obviously the legal team justifying torture and the fact that the same specific torture techniques were used in Texas prisons, then Guantanamo, then Abu Ghraib at the same time one particular Bush appointee was in charge in those places was just coincidental).

        Anyway, on the other hand, I have definitely been hearing hints that more torture stuff is coming, particularly by way of the European press. There was a German article (sorry, don't recall specifics) alleging abuse and rape of minors. I heard something about that this weekend in the blogosphere (again don't recall where) so that story is getting legs.

        Today (for this one I have a cite) the Guardian reports testimony of British citizens who were held at Guantanamo and eventually released, uncharged.

        These were terrorists and that justifies their treatment? Then why no charges?

        We need to get that out there into conversation: MANY ABUSEES HAVE NEVER BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING. I think when we start hearing about kids that is going to become even more obvious.

  •  Come again? (3.94)
    Repost!

    From Frank Luntz's talking points for Republicans: "It is better to fight the War on Terror on the streets of Baghdad than on the streets of New York or Washington."


    Cut to the streets of New York



    and Washington:



    Um. What?

    •  A drunken Luntz reveals:"Kerry will win" (4.00)
      Thomas F. Schaller at a Democratic convention party reports in the progressive Internet magazine Gadflyer.com:

      Luntz Spilz

      From the blog:

      Anyway, Luntz seems a bit tipsy, but there he is, a few feet away. I cannot resist.

      "What do you think?" I ask him, in a tone that indicates that I'm not talking about last night's Sox-Yankees brawl.

      "Kerry will win," he says. I feel myself jump back slightly.

      "Wow," I say. "How can you be so sure?"

      "Bush's numbers on the war are bad, and it's spreading."

      I follow-up: "So, it's that simple -- 'It's the war, stupid'?"

      "Well, not that simple...but basically, yes."

      "Ok, then, so what's the save-all scenario for Bush? Is there some way he manages to pull it out?"

      "Only by making Kerry look bad, inconsistent."

      "The flip-flopper thing," I say, seeking clarification.

      "Yes," Luntz said. "But even that may not do it."

    •  well, I am more scared (none)
      that overworked, hysterical and underpaid security guards lose their nerves and shoot to fast than about being attacked by a terrorist.

      If a bomb is smuggled in to the underground metro, the security guard can't help either, when the bomb goes off. So, what are they there for? To calm my nerves? No way. They make me really uncomfortable.

      "History is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued the self-defeating path of hate." - Martin Luther King

      by mimi on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 08:42:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Just gotta ask.... (none)
      ...what is the scenario that has that policeman with the rifle "protecting" us?  Are they expecting a frontal assault by Al Qaeda by Al Qaeda foot soldiers in NY?  Who are envisioning shooting - really?  Is it Al Qaeda or is it any "unruly" Americans who won't sit down and shut up during the Republican convention?
  •  Volunteer for Kerry (4.00)
    Just want to remind everyone that Kerry has a new Volunteer Center going on that seems quite good. Even if you are in a Blue state (as I am) there are ways for you to help in neighboring states.

    Here's the link to sign up and start helping. It's all about GOTV at this point.

  •  Young Turk (none)
    For counter spin analysis of the BOUNCE read this:

    http://americablog.blogspot.com/archives/2004_08_01_americablog_archive.html#109158400117471232

    The reality of the bounce is much better than the pundits indicate.  They are too lazy to do any meaningful analysis.

    Based on the analysis above (not to mention the various pols internals' which show strong improvements across the board by subject category) Kerry did as well as could be expected.  

    He is now leading Bush in the all important Commander-in Chief race which was the primary purpose of the convention.  

    Everything else is gravy!  Remember folks he is the CHALLENGER!

    The remaining undecided will only decide after the final debate.  Most of these will go to Kerry.  Bush is toast.

  •  SUGGESTION...Lots of polls but no big picture (none)
    I don't follow everything close enough to remember which states are battle grounds and who has what electoral votes.  Maybe a little picture of the US with a count of electorals next to each poll would be nice.  

    I understand counting votes this early is basically meaningless, but just the same it would be nice to know if Kerry had the lead in the EC.

  •  Howard Dean (none)
    Why is it that once again Howard Dean is the only one with the nuts to tell the truth on TV? And endure everyone jumping in his shit and then be proven right with no one defending him?

    And who on earth booked him on "McEnroe" tonight. They need to join the jobless. That was a million miles beneath him.

    And why do the cops in NY look like something out of Judge Dredd?

    Trying not to go to bed mad, but...

    •  Maybe it was a package deal (none)
      "OK, Howard, you can come back for Hardball tonight, but only if you try to pump up our newest anemic show."

      Or maybe it has to do with his new hairstyle.  Or something.

    •  possibility re McEnroe (none)
      I actually think it would be good for the Dems to try to make McEnroe's show successful by helping him out with good guests.  It would be nice to have one of these shows be genuinely liberal, and to have a success story to point to that everyone doesn't just want to watch f'ing Hannity.

      Plus it might be more fun for Dean to get to relax and talk to someone who's not trying to trip him up and attack him every other sentence.

    •  Uh... (none)
      I actually think Howard Dean needs to learn how to shut up sometimes. I respect his politics, but does he really need to give the GOP more ammunition against Kerry/Democrats? Especially before the election?

      Plus, I think it's pretty clear that the terror alert wasn't really motivated by politics.

      •  Do we really need to go through this again (3.83)
        First:  Dean never said that this latest threat was politically motivated.  HE even praised this threat warning for at least being specific.  He did say that some of the threats seems suspect in their timing and that it was Bush who was politicizing terror in the country.

        Second:  THE INFORMATION WAS 3 YEARS OLD!!!!  why raise it now?  Of course it was political.

        Third:  I am in a bad mood so would much rather people who are asking Dean to shut up, after he has been proved right over and over and over again, to shut up.

        Don't Blame America, we voted for Gore.

        by ETinKC on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 04:06:01 AM PDT

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        •  Well... (none)
          The information was 3-4 years old, but the government released the information when they did because they had only recently discovered it!

          Also, it is important to note that Al-Qaeda often times plans attacks several years before hand. So, put yourself in the administration's position: they either have to release information about a potential specific threat, or if they don't release it and an attack does occur, they're screwed!

          Look, I dislike the administration and this president as much as anyone else here, but I just think someone as divisive as Howard Dean needs to watch what he says.

          •  RNC commercial (4.00)
            "But we must understand that the kind of information available to us today
             is the result of the president's leadership in the war against terror"
            ~ Ridge during the threat "alert"

            http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0408/01/bn.00.html

            They say its not political, and their media lap dogs bark in the affirmative,
            still they stick a political advertisment into the "alert," then they cry foul, like Girlie men, when they're called on it.

          •  Kerry's team is orchestrating this (4.00)
            You're crazy if you think Dean is doing this without Kerry's approval. I think Dean is the designated scout: he advances an opinion that's just outside the conventional wisdom, and it becomes a game as to how soon he gets proven correct. You'll notice that the gap gets shorter each time.

            Dean does not need to watch what he says. And you do not need to worry about it. They're finally playing the media like the cheap violin it is.

            A word after a word after a word is power. -- Margaret Atwood

            by tmo on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 05:26:22 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Good Cop Bad Cop (none)
              Thank God the Democrats are finally getting smart, and thank God Howard Dean is willing to play his role.  He gets to go out snarling.  Kerry gets to say, "I want to believe the President--Dean must be wrong!"  Then when Dean is proved right, Kerry looks just as maligned and fooled as the rest of us.

              Dean gets to be the prophet, Kerry gets the electoral votes.

            •  Dean's 'screw-ups' are fine with me (none)
              Seriously, I think the way the campaign has used Dean has been excellent so far. He's a big enough celebrity that he gets wide play when he makes a controversal statement (whether you disagree or not, it was controversal to imply what he did). But people stick that statement to Dean, not Kerry. Then, when something like the 3-year old data comes out, people remember what Dean said, and even if it doesn't convince them, it begins to fester. It's 'screwing up' on purpose, and happens all the time - lower-level officials making some comment that draws fire onto them, but also brings attention to what otherwise might not have been noticed. Dean plants the seeds of doubt about Bush, and they are cultivated over time. In fact, I'm HAPPY that people jump on Dean every time he makes a comment, it means that that comment will get into greater circulation than it normally would have. It's free advertisement against Bush, especially when it gets backed up by the facts.
              •  Seeds of doubt (none)
                We were having a discussion in the diaries this morning about ways that seeds of doubt are being planted about terror alerts, even if people examine the alert and conclude it's not political in nature.  (Yeah, it's my diary and I'm pimping, but I think this issue is important.)

                The assumption is that a quick response (ie terror alert) to a credible set of chatterings is only a net positive for Bush.  However, by questioning the alert on political grounds, it's invited the attention of the media to poke around other questions about the alert.  The terror alert has become a story... but it's not a story that Bush controls.

                The White House has been forced to play a bit of defense on this alert, and they have been forced to reveal more specifics about the nature of the intelligence which the pliant media ordinarily wouldn't have asked.  I think we are getting a clearer picture of an administration that is really flailing around in the dark when it comes to dealing with our real enemies (Al Qaeda); if their motivation isn't politics, then it's just blind panic.  What's been revealed this week is an administration that really has no clue what to do about terror except hope they find Al Qaeda computers lying around, and then panic and issue a scary terror alert and hope for the best.

                With a dynamic Kerry campaign touting "Strength" as its theme, how long are Americans going to continue to accept Bush's panic-button act and the meme that these terror warnings are "state of the art"?  When are they going to finally start realizing that Bush has no real and useful policy on dealing with terror?

                The Brennan Center Report: Because New York State deserves democracy too!

                by NYCO on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 01:19:09 PM PDT

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            •  I agree (none)
              The headline on today's Oregonian was all about Tom Ridge defending the alert. Anytime we can put these assholes on the defensive it is a good thing. When we can do it in a way that makes it headline news that's even better.

              Go Howard!

              Ancient Chinese curse: May you live in Interesting Times

              by Chris Andersen on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 03:26:09 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  actually... (none)
            The information was 3-4 years old, but the government released the information when they did because they had only recently discovered it!

            actually it looks like the info had already been used to warn us back in 2002 here.

            appears to be why the NYT is now reporting that the WH sez 'oh yeah, there's other intelligence behind the terror alert, we just (cough) waited to tell you guys. (under breath: man, i hope they buy this..)'.

          •  Divisive? (none)
            Dean? For crying out loud. There is not a single other Dem who has done more to unite the party against Bush and his fascist agenda.

            You want divisive? Check out Media Matters highlighting Tucker Carlson's remark that the Dems are more enthusiastic about gathering racial data than Himmler!

        •  that bear's in another county by now (none)
          The DHS approach to this shit reminds me of a story fom my activist youth. In the late 70's, in company with another Kos community member who shall remain nameless, I drove to Rocky Flats CO from my native SF Bay Area to protest at the nuclear weapons plant there. We drove a car loaned by a prosperous sympatico who could not make the trip, which was equipped with the ultimate hip high-tech item of the time, CB radio. Wanting to bond with my working-class trucker brothers, I gleefully issued "breaks" on every "smoky" I saw for 1500 miles. After one of these urgent bulletins, an incredibly world-weary voice came back on the radio: "That's the kind of break that makes me sick to my stomach. That goddam bear is in another county by now". Listening to Tom Ridge, I'm finally bonding with that old trucker.

          A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free people.

          by faugh a ballagh on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 05:40:14 AM PDT

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      •  Steel And Dean (4.00)
        Howard Dean has a pair of steel cajones and a steel trap mind as well.

        And anybody who really believes that there wasn't a political motive for this "new" terror alert, I got a really nice piece of bridge real estate you'd love.

        You know what was the DEAD GIVEAWAY for me?  It was just before he made the "big" announcement, Tom Ridge was smiling.  Then, when the Chimpy was coming out to chitter about it, Powell walks over to Rummy and they are grinning and laughing up a storm.  If they were impressed and worried, they hid it really, really well.

        Anybody who wants to be the butt of their joke - welcome to it.  Include me out.

        Yeah, I believe in this new terra alert just like I believe in Tinkerbell.

        You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.

        by mattman on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 05:54:30 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  You Need To... (none)
        ...stop thinking!

        "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves."

        by skeptic tank on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 08:20:16 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Saw your post over at Redstate (none)
      But not until they'd acthived the story.  Yes, I am in AZ CD-1.

      In fact, you saw me at the last Babbitt Meetup.  

      Tom, this is Jeremy:)

      I like Paul Babbitt. After you read this, so will you.

      by Nonpartisan on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 04:45:35 AM PDT

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    •  Body armor... (none)
      I was thinking more Fifth Elementish.

      No, the Sultan's demands are still not sufficiently rational; the only lasting peace is one based on reason and scientific principle -- Horatio Jackson

      by rgilly on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 08:40:32 AM PDT

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  •  Collected Anecdotes of Patriot Act intrusions? (none)
    Is there any post where stories of regular citizens getting rousted courtesy of the Patriot Act are being collected?

    I say this b/c today Bush's Rose Garden speech mentioned the benefits of the Patriot Act.  It'd be handy to have a collection of intrusions and misuses of its provisions.

    <FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Georgia>"When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" &a

    by MilwMom on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 02:20:53 AM PDT

    •  It's a great idea (none)
      If these haven't already been collected, they should be.
    •  these may give you a place to start looking (none)
      link PA may have been improperly used in Las Vegas strip club case    also here link

      Steve Kurtz case here

      CBS report on the harassment of U.S. Muslims link

      ACLU report on the Patriot Act: "NEW YORK - Federal Bureau of Investigation documents turned over to the American Civil Liberties Union and other civil liberties organizations under court order reveal that the FBI invoked a controversial provision of the Patriot Act only weeks after Attorney General John Ashcroft publicly declared that this power had never been used.
      Among the records released is an FBI memorandum, dated October 15, 2003, indicating that the FBI submitted an application for an order under Section 215 of the Patriot Act less than a month after the Attorney General made his announcement. The records disclosed to the ACLU do not indicate how many times the FBI has invoked Section 215 since October 2003." link June 17, 2004

    •  Try the ACLU or People for the American Way n/t (4.00)
      ACLU
      American Civil Liberties Union
      www.aclu.org

      ACLU published a report of scary anecdotes.

      PFAW
      People for the American Way
      www.pfaw.org

      In September 2001, I gave both these organizations very large donations, with tears in my eyes, knowing what was coming.

      I wish to God I'd been wrong.

      Best of Luck

      "...And bunnies would dance in the streets, and we would find life on Mars." -Peter Singer, Brookings Institution

      by zentiger on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 02:59:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Being used against science fiction fans (none)
      remember when WB went after Buffy fans and Universal went after Trek fans for "copyright infringement" when all that they were doing was creating free advertising for the shows on their shrine webpages? Aside from the fact that it was wicked stupid and alienated a lot of fans, even fans who weren't targeted - all that they needed to do this, they already had the legal tools for. The dreaded C&D letter, from their inhouse legal departments.

      Now they're using the goddam PATRIOT ACT to harrass a Stargate fan - which is also ironic in that Stargate is a series about resistance to an intergalactic military-bureaucratic tyranny - which is a) like using a nuke to swat a fly and b) shows they have no compunction about using it to go after anyone and everyone regardless of terror connections.

      Yup, we heard it right, it wasn't a mispronunciation, it is the War on TerraTM like Jo Fish says.

      "The Truth Shall Make Ye Fret" - T. Pratchett (change @ for AT to email)

      by bellatrys on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 08:20:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Brown equals terrorist (none)

      check out: http://www.brownequalsterrorist.com/

      and this from the same site: http://69.93.170.43/

      Liberals are conservatives who have been through treatment.

      by marjo on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 01:07:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Bush suffers crushing defeat in Detroit (4.00)
    Despite the Federal money poured into an effort to defeat a medical marijuana initiative on the Detroit ballot, voters approved the measure 62%-38% today.

    The results were also a sharp rebuke for Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick who sided with Bush Administration.

    •  Huh? (none)
      They used Federal tax money to campaign on a local BALLOT MEASURE?

      Our schools could have used that.

      •  whodunnit (4.00)
        In general, it's illegal to use taxpayer money for campaigns, whether for candidates, or initiatives.

        In litigation over millions of Fed dollars funneled into the committees opposing the 2002 Nevada decrim initiative, the courts held that in funding the Czar's propaganda machine, the Congress had intended to exempt them from the statutory bar on campaoigning on the taxpayer dime. A House budget amendment last year to withdraw that authority was defeated, with a majority of both Parties backing the Bush campaign machine.

    •  Kwame (none)
      He sided with Bush on Gay Marriage, too.  On Real Time, Kwame came off as a high school jock talking about gays.  

      It's time for Kwame to go.

      "In an abstract love for humanity one almost always loves only oneself." --Fyodor Dostoevsky, "Notes From The Underground"

      by Subterranean on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 03:39:57 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I channeled SATAN today (none)
    but my timing was REALLY idiotic...

    Alas, my labor of love/hate creative writing tour de force: "GWB in Hell" got washed away over the noon hour in an avalanche of diaries unlike any we have seen here....

    hence this sad ass self promotion....

    For those who missed it, if you'd like to read something original that might make you laugh....and might even make you cackle, click here and take the poll....

    if not, well you can rot in hell.  Muhahahaha!!!   <humor>

    2004's the election, 2005's the prize...let'sTCB!

    by kid oakland on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 02:31:43 AM PDT

  •  If you've thought of voting absentee... (none)
    then take my poll

    Thanks!

    Idea:No Blood for Oil. Action:I use Biodiesel. site blog

    by KumarP on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 02:31:48 AM PDT

  •  Question (none)
    I vaguely recall there was some online video game where you could be a liberal and defeat conservatives.  I've been racking my brain trying to track it down myself, and I'm going to give up and ask for a link.

    I know one of you fine people can provide it.  Thanks.

    "... then after twenty minutes, they looked at this Argentina lot, these world champions, and said to themselves: Hey. We can beat these." -- Peter Davies

    by Pizza Driver on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 02:38:42 AM PDT

  •  Do you still trust SUSA polls??? (none)
    I know jack about polling techniques. I've been suspicious of SUSA since that poll from April or May that had Bush trailing Kerry by 1% in California.

    Many have trusted them since the most recent primaries.

    Does the fairly large (4-5%) win for McCaskill dent them in your eyes? Or do you still trust them?

    Are you worried about the SUSA poll on here that has Nethercutt gaining 6% in the last few months? He's gone from 34% to 40% since the last poll (when was that taken?) while Patty Murray remains at 50%. Is that just natural progression as he increases his name value, or are you surprised?

    •  No (none)
      I'm not worried about the Republican being 10 points behind Patty Murray in a solid blue state 3 months before the election.

      In fact, I think it a great tribute to the Democrats that THIS is what they call the second most endangered Dem incumbent after Daschle. Hot damn but we're doing good with the hand we were dealt!

      •  I think it's good that he isn't eating at her lead (none)
        I just wondered what some WA residents thought, because switzerblog posts here and works on Patty's campaign. I wondered what her campaign thought of the poll.
      •  I'm sort of nervous ... (none)
        between the money being spent on the governor's race (where the GOP has a real chance at picking up a gov.'s mansion) and the money promised to Nethercutt, Murray may be in real trouble. It will take mammoth turnout from the city of Seattle to offset Nethercutt/Rossi

        bomb allah president Marx encryption revolution Pat Buchanan unabomber occult -- hey Carnivore: *bring it on*.

        by niq77174 on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 03:51:06 AM PDT

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        •  Murray (none)
          I'll predict a big Dem turnout in E WA this election. There are a lot more Dems in this half of the state than you might think, and they're highly motivated this year.

          WA 4 and WA 5 were Dem districts until the '94 turnover, and (in our area anyway) we've picked up a lot of immigrants from Seattle, the midwest and CA. There's also a large Hispanic percentage (10% to 15% in some areas), which apparently hasn't been voting Dem recently, and hopefully that'll change too.

    •  With a MOE of 4.1% (none)
       the poll still stands.

      Holden 48% - 4= 44%
      Claire 47% + 4= 51%

      Pretty close to the actual results.

      Inbetween psyche and society is a slab of thinking meat.

      by exotrip on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 02:56:45 AM PDT

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      •  That's Only if You Straddle the MOE (none)
        8% is a huge MOE. Seems to me you can't go to the edge of it and still say that your poll is close to the actual results.

        Shit, if a candidate wins by 6.5 points, yet the pollster shows the loser ahead the night before, even if only by one point, he's plain useless -- regardless of the MOE.

        Nah, I'm done with SUSA.

        The best intentions in the world, placed on a shelf, are worthless.

        by chuco35 on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 03:36:43 AM PDT

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  •  Convention Speeches Free from iTunes Store (4.00)
    I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but I just noticed that many of the speeches from the Democratic Convention are now available for free download from the iTunes Store. For instance, here is Obama's speech (iTunes required to resolve URL). These are Audible.com files you can download and play on your computer or iPod. They are not streaming files (like those provided on C-SPAN's site).
    •  And (4.00)
      If you have Comcast digital cable, they have them archived on their "On Demand" service for the next 2 weeks. It's free! They also have the Daily Show election special and Dave Chappelle's "Black Bush" sketch.
    •  And.... (4.00)
      If you go directly to audible.com, you can download all the the DNC speeches for free (by day or by individual speech).  Just go to audible.com and search for "convention" and they'll all come up.  Been listening to speeches again on my iPod!
  •  Republicans (4.00)
    Why are republicans so angry?

    Anger is destroying their party.

    Obviously this man has gone nuts and can't be trusted to do his job with a clear head.

  •  funny pic (4.00)
    From Wonkette. Payback for the flap over Kerry in a clean suit...

    The Republicans need a divided country. We don't. --Big Dog

    by froggywomp on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 03:03:06 AM PDT

    •  Chimpy! (none)
      I finally get it. This is the first picture I've seen where the chimp thing is undeniable. Somebody please Photoshop a city skyline in the background and some biplanes.

      I'm &y and I approved this message.

      by abw on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 03:59:05 AM PDT

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    •  I like this one too. (none)
      http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9093/limpwristed.jpg

      sorry, I've not been able to make the pic show up on the page. I can't seem to get the <img src= thingy right.

      Bush war record: one avoided, two botched.

      by susanp on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 07:30:35 AM PDT

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    •  God bless Barney... (none)
      The dog's "why me?" expression is hilarious; the poor guy has certainly suffered indignities as First Dog, with photo ops and being dropped (but it was Laura's fault, I'M THE PRESIDENT!!)...  It's probably too much to ask Barney to give Shrub a good bite in the testicles, but I've got this site bookmarked just in case...

      --
      DONATIONS TO SCOTTISH TERRIER RESCUE
      Donations to assist needy Scotties are always welcome. Checks should be made out to STCA Rescue and mailed to:

      Pat Gruda
      STCA Rescue Coordinator
      P.O. Box 597
      Morrison, CO 80465

      Please note that contributions to STCA Rescue are not deductible as charitable contributions for Federal Income Tax purposes.

      •  Fala (none)
        FDR's dog, Fala, was a Scottish terrier. Could it be that this is yet another effort by Dubya to appear "preznitenshul"?

        In this world, things are complicated and are decided by many factors. We should look at problems from many different aspects, not from just one -- Mao Tse-tung

        by Mnemosyne on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 12:05:17 PM PDT

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    •  I'm not convinced... (none)
      ...that "Barney" is really Bush's pet.  I mean, I'm not convinced that Bush has any emotional investment in him.  Last year I read somewhere that, early in the 2000 campaign, Bush quietly got rid of his cat or cats, acquired Barney, and made sure to have a lot of photographs taken with the dog.  (Can anyone confirm this story?)  And a number of the photographs of Bush and Barney look as though Bush is uncertainly holding Barney away from him, like a man who's never had to deal with kids holding an unfamiliar baby, afraid that the baby might wet itself.  

      "What on earth is the matter with the American Government and people? Do they really covet the world's ridicule as well as their own social and political ruin?

      by Ernest Tomlinson on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 01:35:02 PM PDT

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  •  Bright Bulbs at the Washington Post (4.00)
    Dan Balz and Lois Romano at the Washington Post are usually okay, unlike Adam Nagourney or Elisabeth Bumiller at the New York Times. However, in an article in Wednesday's WaPo, Democrats Vow to Cut Deficit by 50% in Four Years, these guys state the obvious in a way that is supposed to sound like skepticism but is just plain dumb:
    Bush's campaign has challenged Kerry on fiscal issues since the general-election campaign began in March, saying that Kerry's health care plan alone would require him to raise taxes and asserting that his spending proposals far exceed the new revenue he can raise. "When it comes to fiscal discipline, John Kerry's claims lack credibility," said Bush-Cheney spokesman Steve Schmidt.

    Kerry advisers again challenged that assertion Tuesday by issuing a balance sheet that they said showed that over the next decade, his programs would generate about $365 billion more in revenue than they would require in spending. But those estimates would require significant changes in the tax code winning passage in Congress and are based on other assumptions that may prove challenging to a Kerry presidency.

    Unlike other fiscal policies that has been carried out as a result of executive order? Of course it would require Congressional passage. Did they think such a statement added to their analysis? Would they suggest Kerry not proprose policy because it might not pass in Congress? Have they ever heard of leadership? They are finally reporting on a substantial policy issue and they can't even go so far as to give us the details of what changes would have to take place in the tax code. Instead they make some dumbass observation that is supposed pass as journalism.

    "Strength and wisdom are not opposing values" ~ The Big Dawg

    by John Campanelli on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 03:11:13 AM PDT

    •  How government works (none)
      Doesn't the Congress technically control the budget, taxes and spending?  The Prez runs the "executive" branch which is supposed to carry out Congress's laws.  The Prez can make requests/recommentations to congress about the budget, but isn't he always dependent on "winning passage in Congress"?

      I think this is all in that Constitution-thingy.

      I learned this from the funny pages myself ("Non Sequitor") where it was pointed out that despite their campaign promises, no President can actually cut your taxes.  He can ask Congress to cut your taxes and maybe if he asks nicely they will.  Technically all he can promise to do is to ask.

      But it's nice to see the WaPo pointing this out for Kerry (whom I believe is aware of this) -- although forgetting that it applies to the sitting Prez might not be considered the height of "fair and balanced."  I'm sure they'll remember to point out that Bush will have to pass his proposals through congress when they editorialize on those.

    •  Kerry should add some humor (none)
      When Bushco alleges that Kerry's proposals don't "add up," Kerry should just say, "Well maybe I intend to use the Bush method; borrow and spend, borrow and spend, borrow and spend."  

      "In an abstract love for humanity one almost always loves only oneself." --Fyodor Dostoevsky, "Notes From The Underground"

      by Subterranean on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 03:44:30 PM PDT

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  •  Missouri politics (none)
    I think it sucks that the gay marriage amendment passed overwhelmingly, but meanwhile, I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about Linda Jacobsen. She's a Democrat running for Congress in the 7th House district, against a 4th-term representative named Kenny Hulshof. Anyway, she received 15,000 more votes in the Democratic primary than Hulshof in his Republican primary. As far as I can tell, no other challenger did as well in Missouri. Could this be a pickup?
    •  She is running for the 9th district (none)
       and I doubt it will be a pickup. Hushof's seat is pretty safe, as the conventional thinking in all partisan circles goes.

      Inbetween psyche and society is a slab of thinking meat.

      by exotrip on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 03:19:11 AM PDT

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    •  OurCongress had her saying (none)
      she had a poll where they were even. So who knows. But she has no money.

      I do wonder if she will get some money from DCCC just to help drive up Dem turnout in that part of the state.

      Democrats got huge turnout compared to the Republicans. If only that can last in November.

      •  I don't have stats for it (none)
        but wouldn't you expect the Dem turnout in November to be even better?

        I mean, if you're worried about Dem candidates winning seats, the primary is just the first step.

        My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. Sen Carl Schurz

        by Bill Rehm on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 10:57:15 AM PDT

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  •  oy (4.00)
    The folks over at HateState just had a collective brain implosion that Kos would even suggest that Catholics have a "natural allegiance to the Democratic Party."

    (Warning:  it's more of the same - "Don't vote for baby-killer Kerry, vote for lying war-criminal Bush!" argument).  They're really getting shrill (probably a good sign for our side).

    Anyway, my point here. . . isn't it a little bizarre that the same people who are rabidly anti-choice are the same people who oppose providing healthcare for children who need it here and now?

    Essentially:  no one should be able to have abortions, and when children can't get medical care because they lack coverage, they should die, because we do not engage in Communism here in Red 'Merica!

    oy.

    •  They have a right to suffer (4.00)
      <eom>

      Inbetween psyche and society is a slab of thinking meat.

      by exotrip on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 03:21:09 AM PDT

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    •  I've often wondered about that myself (4.00)
      isn't it a little bizarre that the same people who are rabidly anti-choice are the same people who oppose providing healthcare for children who need it here and now?

      Essentially:  no one should be able to have abortions, and when children can't get medical care because they lack coverage, they should die, because we do not engage in Communism here in Red 'Merica!

      Yeah, an embyro is soooo precious it must be protected at all costs but once it turns into a child or <gasp> an adult, it's trash if it can't take care of itself for some reason.

    •  pro life (4.00)
      means you care about health care for kids, about the environment (physical and emotional) in which they grow up, about quality education; and, then about a living wage when they start their own families. Pro-life means advocating health care and other programs for the elderly. Anything else is just "Pro-Birth."..and nothing more.
  •  DFA candidates who win (none)
    Someone in the Missouri primary win was devastated because so few DFA-endorsed candidates are winning.

    Well, if it cheers you up -- DFA-endorsed GA state rep Alisha Thomas Morgan, who was targeted for defeat because she dared to cry out against gay-bashing in the state legislature, won with nearly 90% of the vote in her primary a few weeks ago.

    So there's one.

  •  Dean on McEnroe (none)
    They booked Dean on that show as a trade off.

    He's hosting Topic A with Tina Brown on Sunday.
    I'm sure the negotiations were along the lines of "Sure you can host the show, come promote it on McEnroe."

    Win, win.

  •  Watching "Nightline" (none)
    Abu G again. Good. We need more press keeping the spotlight on this heinous situation.
  •  Some good news (4.00)
    Got an email from an old friend yesterday. Part of it ran like this:

    After almost exactly half my life as a member, today I sent in a Voter Registration Form without enrolling in the Republican Party.

    I was actually sad to see how it has been destroyed over the last 10 years or so, culminating with the absurdity which is our current leader. :(

    He lives in MA, which isn't exactly a swing state, but still, it's all good.

    •  My mother's been saying (none)
      she's going to get a Kerry sign for her front yard.

      Voted for every Republican since Nixon.

      To be honest, it kind of freaks me out.

      I have evidently Energised the Discourse and Made Politics Real Again. -Spider Jerusalem

      by agrajag on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 06:22:56 AM PDT

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      •  Call Kerry HQ and ask them to deliver (none)
        after clearing with your mom, of course.

        Thanks for sharing this. Which state does your mom live in?

        "Right here, right now, watching the world wake up from history" - Jesus Jones

        by AlanF on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 11:22:20 AM PDT

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  •  Bush's Frivolous Lawsuit (4.00)
    or where was John Edwards when he needed him? ;-)
    From the Daily Mislead.

    "On November 2, 2000, the New York Daily News reported that Bush sued
    Enterprise Rent-a-Car in Austin over a fender bender involving his
    daughter, even though no one was hurt, and insurance would have covered the
    collision.[3] Bush "also tried to sue the woman who was driving the
    rental car but was unable to serve her with papers." Lawyers familiar with
    Texas insurance law "said such a suit would normally be unnecessary."
    One lawyer involved in the case said Bush sued because he "had paid for
    the repairs out of his own pocket" and that Bush pursued legal action
    even though the parties "exhaustively tried to resolve it short of a
    lawsuit."

    •  did he file w/o a trial lawyer? (none)
      or is this an admission on his part that trial lawyers have a valid purpose for being?

      Or does he believe that when you work for a Republican or a big corporation you are not a trial lawyer but an honorable person?

      </sarcasm>

      Those that can, do. Those that can do more, TEACH!

      by teacherken on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 08:48:11 AM PDT

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    •  Could you try to (none)
      put references with your quotes.  This is the kind of stuff that is useful for the 'letters of the editor' thing to the local paper (i.e.: you do a great job (of being favorable to Bush), so why did you miss this tidbit to boost circulation and seem fair).

      If you're like me and not that familiar with HTML codes, just put it in the clear, it's faster to cut and paste than search for something already found.  

      Keep up the good work.  Nice tidbit.

  •  Has anyone else brought this up? (4.00)
    The Republicans bitch about Kerry not doing much in the Congress right?  Well if Bush if 57 years old and he quit drinking at 40, that means Kerry has been in Congress longer than Bush has been sober.  Thoughts?
  •  Update on Faith Based Misiles (none)
    We are protected... NOT! From Periscope:
    The installation of the first ground-based missile in an underground silo in Alaska last month was a major step for the program designed to shoot down incoming enemy ICBMs. This marked "the end of an era where we have not been able to defend our country against long-range missile attacks," said Army Maj. Gen. John Holly, director of the Joint Program Office for Ground-Based Midcourse Defense (GMD)

    While the ICBM defense program is happily spending it's $10 billion on a system that may not work, Port Security has to fend off terrorists on a shoestring budget of $46 million as Kos has pointed out

    Over the last 3.5 year Al Qaeda has sneaked at least 200 operatives in and out of countries using cargo ship containers AKA Al Qaeda Cruise Line

    Oh, and Bush gave $65 million of our Homeland Defense budget to help his oil buddies buy security cameras, while giving ZERO for nuclear, biotech or chemical plants...

    •  great, we are finally safe from the USSR (none)
      Poor old George, all of his ideas are a decade late and a trillion dollars short

      By my count, that is two nonexistent threats Bush has successfully defended us against

      George does real good against the windmills, doesn't he

      •  Not safe from USSR, China or even North Korea (none)
        As Daily Kos original article shows us, the damn $10 billion thingy does not even work..

        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/12/211526/401

        It's never been tested fully assembled

        Senator Jack Reed:  "So at this time, we cannot be sure that the actual system would work against a real North Korean missile threat?"

        Thomas P.Christie, the Pentagon's director of Operational Test and Evaluation: "I would say that's true."


        And it only supports a limited amount of missiles
        We don't mention China in this topic because they have lots of missiles, this Bush system is puny in scope, and the Chinese could overwhelm the system easily. China may have decoys and countermeasures built into their ICBMs, too, so that the first wave of launches could overwhelm it. So far as I know, the designers of the anti-missile system have never answered how it will disregard a decoy made to appear and behave as a warhead, or--more importantly--how it would seek out a warhead disguised as decoy. In our actual antimissile tests, the targets have been helpfully fitted with signalling devices to help the anti-missile warhead find the proper target and home in on it.

        Even should North Korea perfect its missile technology but build only a few warheads (say, ten, which seems the most likely course for Kim) this system is nearly useless. If there are only 20 anti-missile units, then the North Koreans can build thirty missiles and scatter the ten warheads among them, or fire the armed ones last. The anti-missile system would be used up on the first waves, leaving the targets undefended

        •  do you think North Korea is that stupid (none)
          An ICBM leaves a very traceable trail

          to launch ONE missile against the United States would invite a response of THOUSANDS of warheads

          we could draw a grid of lines that would be one mile apart over a map of North Korea and target a warhead on every intersection of the lines

          In short, we could plow every square mile of North Korea

          Do you think North korea really wants to fuck with us ???

          this is a defense shiel for the last war, not the next war

          It is the new Maginot line. It protects us from an attack that will never happen.

          Just as the invasion of Iraq protected us from a nonexistent threat

          Saddam was never going to attack us either

          •  Seul is NK "Human Shield" (none)
            Nope, they are not stupid. Nor humanitarian

            And to prove it, North Korea already has tons of conventional artillery targeted at Seul, which is only about 20 miles from it's border.

            Any attack on North Korea would trigger their retribution over Seul. Casualty estimates of even one convetional missile barrage on such a heavy populated city are staggering:

            We can't do anything against North Korea without causing the immediate death of at least 1 million innocent people

            And Saddan was the "monster"...

      •  This Is the Cold War That Never Ends (none)
        Does anyone keep track of how much we're continuing to spend defending against USSR?

        I wonder if we're even capable of ending the Cold War?

  •  Aaron Brown (3.00)
    I've long been a "Newsnight" viewer because, like  "The News Hour," it presents an hour (minus ad time) of news and analysis.  Still, I have always been ambivalent about Aaron Brown.  On the one hand, I like his attempts to be "fair and balanced" and he's such a dork he can't help but be endearing.  Also, I think he's done stints in Minnesota and Washington state so he's not a NYC/DC clone.

    But I have to say that, along with the rest of CNN's "talent," he's really losing his credibility with me.  To wit:

    1. He got on his high horse a few weeks back when Wolfie said that reporters in Baghdad were so scared to go out into the city that they were left to report only rumors.  Brown rightfully denounced this particular chickenhawk who apologized the next day.

    BUT:  Brown said he did not report rumors.  Wrong!  Back when the Evil Emperor's campaign (via Drudge) claimed the JFK had had an affair with an intern, Brown reported it.  At the time he said it was legitimate to report this specious rumor because "it was out there on the Internet."

    2. He has this really annoying and insulting habit of treating New Yorkers (and Americans) as children. His reports on terrorist attacks/threats are incredibly maudlin and make me want to scream:  We are not in day-care here!  Brown appears to me to be the advocate par excellance of the Nanny State.  

    TODAY:  He not only did his best "I am such a narcissist" bit (by airing extensive excerpts of his speech at the Statue of Liberty) but devoted a good portion of his broadcast to a saccharin, smaltzy story about the re-opening of that monument--which, of course--is now Bush's version of the West Bank.

    3.  After wasting all this time on the Gitmoization of  Lady Liberty, he ended with the "Morning Papers" segment in which he remarked that "we really should spend more time on" the story of Iraq (where the headline said that Sadr's army is in control of city streets.)  Where the f*** are the CNN reporters in Iraq?

    Thank you DailyKos, the Internet and Jon Stewart for providing us with real news.  Without you, I think I'd go mad.  

    So long, Aaron, you sell-out.  :)

    Never underestimate the destructive power of a ruling clique that's painted itself into a corner.

    by clarkista on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 04:48:13 AM PDT

    •  Don't get me wrong (none)
      after balloon-gate I fully support all of the CNN bashing around here- their recent trickerations have often reminded me of the famous Elvis quote "if you have a .45 any TV is remote control". ( I've often thought this is the ultimate American quote, since it includes Elvis, TV, and guns). However, I heard Lou Dobbs say something a few weeks ago that dropped my jaw and contributed to my feeling that something extraordinary may happen this fall. I'll have to paraphrase, but he said to some pro-buisiness Repiglickin " I'm an unabashed promoter of free-market capitalism, I bow to no-one in my respect for our economic system, my show even used to be called "Moneyline', and yet there are times lately when I wonder if the pendulum has swung so far in favor of untrammeled corporate power that our liberties are in jeopardy". Make of it what you will. I just remember that when Johnny Carson started making really pissed-off comments about Nixon, I thought "stick a fork in him, he's done". And so he was.

      A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free people.

      by faugh a ballagh on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 05:17:05 AM PDT

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      •  Lou Dobbs (none)
        I used to think Lou Dobbs was a run-of-the-mill GOPer.  But, for the past few months, I have found his program the only one on CNN that I can stomach.  He's got the repulsive anti-Mexican angle but he's also sustaining the "middle class squeeze" riff ala John Edwards.

        My own take on this is that Dobbs is an old-style Republican who is appalled at the ultra-right-wing nonsense offered by the Evil Emperor.  He's done great pieces on the Evoting disaster and the outsourcing of America.  Look at his polls of the day and you'll see that his audience is muy anti-Bush.  

        If Ms. Pilgrim can just keep up....

        Never underestimate the destructive power of a ruling clique that's painted itself into a corner.

        by clarkista on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 05:41:05 AM PDT

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      •  I'm with you (none)
        I think CNN is trying to compete with FOX lately for their demographic.  Balloon-gate was the most disgusting thing I've seen in years--it ruined my buzz that night, and almost made me throw the remote through the TV.

        However, as far as anchors go, Aaron Brown's not the worst.  He _tries_ to be fair, but he doesn't have the spine to stand up sometimes.  Every now and then, he delivers a blistering critique of the administration, but then I think the rest of his colleagues jump down his throat and he tries to bumble out of it.

      •  right as rain, faugh (none)
        i'm old enough to remember johnny in the '70s, and when he started dumping on nixon, you knew that middle american had turned on him.
    •  Aaron, Paula, Chris, Joe, Wolf, (none)
      During the convention, I sent an open letter to Chairmen and Presidents of GE/NBC and Time Warner/CNN. I basically said "See Ya'"!

      I became really enraged, not good for me, at their coverage of the convention and the 'punditry' that was in fact propaganda. I am boycotting them. They need me, but I don't need them. What they are doing is un-american, un-journalistic, and disrespectful of our collective intellegence.

      I liked Aaron for a while, too, but .....really, are they so stupid, or arrogant to think they will not suffer?

      Regime Change Begins at Home. Prune the Shrub and Cut the Dick.

      by oofer on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 05:27:33 AM PDT

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    •  I think Aaron is "so so" (none)
      and in the end a bit boring, because he seldom takes a stand.

      CNN has failed IMO during the build-up of the Iraq war and during the Democrats convention to report straight forward. Their questions and comment were loaden with a pre-judgement that "we have to support everything that's being said about the war" and "we have to question anything what's said on the convention".

      They just survive because they still can get any politician to appear on CNN.

      A while ago I found Matthews refreshing, lately I like Oberman, he very artfully sometimes gets the truth out through the hole in his teeth under out of the tongue in his cheek so to speak.

      "History is cluttered with the wreckage of nations and individuals that pursued the self-defeating path of hate." - Martin Luther King

      by mimi on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 08:34:09 AM PDT

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    •  cnn knows, Mer'ca loves its homegrown murders (none)
      The Iraq story is so June 28th.
  •  diaries appearance (none)
    has something changed about the way the recent diaries page opens up, or have my prefs been changed or something?  i click on the link at the bottom of the diaries box on the main page, and now i get a list of the diary titles, without any of the text- listed like a search result.  before today, the 10 recent diaries opened up with the text visible.  any way i can change this back?  thanks.
  •  Don't let the bedbugs bite (none)
      And never Google your name or user name with "dailyKos" or some topic you are interested in.  Because the truth, or whatever inanity you ever posted is out there.  I just spent an unsettling thirty minutes reliving some proud, and not so proud posts I have put out on one site or another.  I didn't find anything profoundy stupid, but then again I gave up quickly.

    On a weirder note I just put the name of one of our guest hosts at random into Google and got referred to a blogspot blog established in July 2004 with exactly zero content to date.  On balance it would seem up to the host to announce that he was the latest to become a valued dKos alumnus (hey Billmon and Steve!!) and it would only be fair to let he/she/them actually establish the site before anyone could actually link to it.  But I guess that was your grandfather's expectation of privacy.

    I have been toying with establishing my own blog, if only as a place to link to Social Security Trustees' reports, but after tonight neither "Bruce" nor "Webb" will link to it.

    "Call me Ism$%^X34"

  •  pay, pay, pay (none)
    we're the rapolluters, we need planets to trash
    we ain't too fussy, long as we can make cash
    this earth's been a bonanza, easy as pie
    all we had to do was learn the lingo and lie

    the sheeple lined up and paid up in blood
    while we piped them their petroleum from the sand and the mud
    their kids were choking, eyes streaming with tears
    while we worked on dumbing down the space between their ears

    oil, black gold, miracle juice
    you need it, we got it, just turn that free market loose
    suck it up baby, we like it that way
    guzzle it up now, and pay, pay, pay

    progress, we told them, and they sure believed
    while the cancer rates soared, and the mothers they grieved
    the ceo's bought themselves a getaway plan
    a little bit of texas in uzbekhistan

    very own oil well right right out  the back
    big SUV, i'm alright jack
    don't give a toss about the future, won't be there you see,
    and don't ever forget, this is all about me

    oil, black gold, miracle juice
    you need it, we got it, just turn the big boys loose
    suck it up baby, we like it that way
    guzzle it up now, and pay, pay, pay

  •  Increasingly angered by broadcast news (4.00)
    I find myself more and more annoyed by the next-to-open support given by the SCLM to the Bush presidency.  Last time it was Andrea Mitchell, during a brief discussion on Hardball of the "middle class squeeze" (this is a rich mine for Kerry) where it was slighly mentioned as a problem for Bush because of his proclamations that the corner was turned, in defiance of most people's experiences.  You could see her visibly attempting to come up with a counter, and she finally said that she thought Bush had "finessed" the issue.

    I always thought I could at least listen to opposing viewpoints.  I never wanted to get my news from sources that only reinforced what I felt.  But I'm getting to that point.  The 80% of "issue time" that is actually spent on the "horse race' angers me.  The lack of independent reporting angers me.  And most of all, the parroting of Republican talkig points angers me.

    I only turned into television for the convention coverage.  I had already gone to mostly newspapers and radio, but NPR seems to be drifting rightward.  I find myself listening more and more to Air America, which does not exactly challenge my opinions.

    I agree with those of you who say that it is a waste of our allotted time on this earth to listen (or view) these programs, but where then do you go to figure out what the Republicans (or maybe conservatism more generally) is saying, what the rest of the country is hearing?

    BTW, I don't think "true conservatism" if such a thing still exists, is well served by this trend either.  Conservatism, so far as one could tell from the media, is, as some of you have put it, God, Guns, Gays and of course, the needs of the Rich.  Is there anything left of conservatism with which to have a dialogue?

  •  File this under countries we should have invaded.. (none)
    Anyone check out the nytimes article this morning regarding the Taliban being allowed to train fighters in Pakistan?
    •  And joined the Afghan government (none)
      That's what I woke up to yesterday morning on NPR, that Karzai had begun inviting some elements of the Taliban to join his government.  I blame Bush for this failure!  Had he finished the job in Afghanistan, would we be facing the reintroduction of members of the government responsible for 9-11?
    •  Not suprising (none)
      I've heard more than one CA historian (yes, there is more than one guy interested in CA; suprised the hell out of me too) say Pakistan recruited and armed the Taliban from refugee camps in Pakistan so the Pakistanis would have control of Afghanistan.
  •  Anybody catch Bill Maher on NPR yesterday? (3.80)
    He makes a lot of sense. He's getting lots of press lately, a la Jon Stewart. I can't quite articulate my thoughts, but there's something very Bizarro World about these two guys.

    For one thing, I let out mordant chuckles (as Bob Somerby would say) when I hear mainstream network guys express concern that these guys are not actually "journalists,'' and express worry that people are actually going to their shows for news.

    The other thing is that it just seems kinda funny (no pun intended) that in a sea of "serious" news, the only two guys who are unafraid ("Jon Stewart is my hero," Tweety says, without a hint of irony) to cut through the mashed-potato-thick layer of spin are freakin' comedians. It's a bit sad that the best fit for analysis of and reporting on presidential campaigns is comedy.

  •  How to Tell a Real Terror Alert (none)
    Red: When Cheney appears of television telling America that America is under threat but Bush is handling the crisis, with Cheney in an undisclosed location.

    Orange: It is a real, as opposed to political, terror alert when Bush gets off the campaign trail and hides in his rabbit warren in DC or the other one in Omaha.

    Yellow: An early warning is when he gets that "My Pet Goat" deer-in-the-headlights look on his face.

    Blue: Bush is on the campaign trail talking about how safe we are and how we don't need any government reform of intelligence because he has already done it.

  •  Laura Bush criticizes media (none)
    Did anyone else find this as funny as I do? Laura Bush criticizing "the media" for being sensationalistic and divisive -- while she was appearing on The O'Reilly Factor.

     "I think there are a lot of reasons to be critical of the media in America," she said in an interview Tuesday with Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor."

    Link.

  •  THE BOSS COMES THROUGH!!! (none)
    FL, MI, OH, PA....oh the joy!!!

    http://www.moveonpac.org/vfc/

    •  One more reason the electoral college sucks (4.00)
      Why should all these swing voters in battleground states have all the fun all the time, while us solid blue Dem states (or solid red states for that matter) get the shaft all the time.  The only time we get any attention is when the parties want to open our wallets.

      One more reason that that electoral college HAS GOT TO GO!!!!

    •  drive-time bias (none)
      On a local comedy morning drive-time radio show this morning (in the Charlotte market, KISS 95.1) one of the DJs s read a news item about MoveOn.org. He described MoveOn as a "radical liberal" group. MIND YOU - this is NOT talk radio, just a pop music station. Then he read the list of musicians on the tour and said he was surprised to see Jimmy Buffet on the list because "he is a businessman and I would think he'd be a Republican."

      I wrote them a note saying how disappointed I was that they were putting their political views on display for thousands of listeners during what was supposed to be an entertaining show.

      •  Hmm (none)
        Who owns that station>  Wouldn't be Clear Channel by any chance, would it?
      •  "Radical liberal" (none)
        and "radical conservative" are both oxymorons.  As in, there ain't no such animal, by definition.  Your area must be lacking in radicals.  I live in Portland, so I could send some over to you.

        You might, however, be a member of the "radical right" or the "radical left."  You can be a "radical anarchist" but that's neither right nor left, and besides how could you be a non-radical anarchist?  I doubt that you can be a "radical progressive," but this is an arguable point.

      •  yeah, I stopped listening to 98 rock in baltimore (none)
        in the afternoon because of one guys screaming love for Bush.  He spent one night going on a tirade about move on and when I sent him a detailed listing of why he was wrong, he replied something to the effect because I supported them I was biased.  He was polite enough to respond but there was no reaching him.

        And his baseles bashing of the Dem mayor of Baltimore, who's a great guy and rising star, while sucking up to the Rep Governer just completely turned me off.  

        I wish they'd just stick to playing music

        Will sleep with Democrat for "I sleep with Democrats" button.

        by slapshot57 on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 01:52:00 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Button (none)
          Yo slapshot, are you really looking for one of those buttons? Email me at demimonde_nc - AT - hotmail.com (my spam account) - I am pretty sure a friend brought me back one from the DNC. He snagged a bunch of different ones.

          Mailer: Keep thinking how much the R's want anarchy on the street. Don't march into their trap.

          by gogaddy on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 05:54:30 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Clarification (none)
            There will be no need for you to sleep with me, even though I am a hot Southern Democratic woman. I am happily married, which is why I don't need the button myself. ;-)

            Mailer: Keep thinking how much the R's want anarchy on the street. Don't march into their trap.

            by gogaddy on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 05:56:09 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  Woohooo! (none)
      The universe must be happy with me today, because of all the places in Florida, Bruce is coming back to my town!  Woohoo!
  •  Lynndie England clarification (none)
    The other day, we had us a nice diary go-round about PFC England arriving at her hearing in an SUV with a BC04 sticker on the back (w/photos).

    Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be her car.

    According to the video, she's actually getting out of the other car visible in the photo (a Mitsubishi, is it?)--she'd been riding in the back, on the passenger side.

    Just wanted to clear that one up.

    "Do not offend the Chair Leg of Truth. It is wise and terrible!"
    Send Steve King back to Crawford County!

    by section29 on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 11:29:11 AM PDT

  •  Outfoxed to the silver screen! (none)
    Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism is going to get a theatrical release.
    The documentary, which portrays Fox News Channel as far from its motto of "fair and balanced," opens Friday in one art-house theater in each of four cities: New York, Los Angeles, Washington and San Francisco. Then it will expand to other cities in upcoming weeks, distributor Cinema Libre Studios said Tuesday.

    I'm not sure what effect this will have for us. Will it expose GOPNews as the spincrazy whores we know them to be? Or, will it play into the repub's 'Hollywood libral elite' meme? Stay tuned.

    According to the article, another lefty doc, Bush's Brain will also be getting a theatrical release.

    The film by Joseph Mealey and Michael Paradies Shoob, based on the book of the same name by Texas journalists Jim Moore and Wayne Slater, is scheduled to open Aug. 27 in New York and Los Angeles and expand to more cities in September.

    The links
    http://www/outfoxed.org
    http://www.bushsbrainthemovie.com

  •  EARFUL (4.00)
    I live in BC part time and was on a ferry 2 days ago from Vancouver to Victoria. 2 elderly couples sat next to me from Texas, so I decided to have a little fun. " Oh I see you are from Texas, what part" They answered 90 miles south of Dallas, 60 miles east ( near Crawford). "Oh thats Bush country isnt it?  You have a big election in Nov" ( I pretended to be Canadian) " what do people up here think about the war and Bush" the lady asked... so I started on my diatribe. "You were lied to about WMD, your economy is in shambles, you soldiers are dying" I hope you are supporting Kerry" oh no cant stand him " one said. " oh so I guess you are better off today then you were 4 years ago" "Well I am not pleased with our foreign policy said one man"  but I cant vote for kerry, cant stand him. Hmm isnt the whole COngress and the President Republican? You cant blame the democrats.... sounds like you have a dilemna then, I said. Have you seen F911?  Have you seen where he says a dictatorship would be easier to run? Have you seen where the president sits for 7 minutes while after being informed of the planes hitting the towers? ?   People are jumping to their deaths as he sits and reads my pet goat... does this seem strange for someone who is commander and cheif? If I were king, I would be getting as much info as possible", wouldnt you?   "well, others were taking care of it one responded" " then why do you need a president?" I pounded them with shock and awe statements to the point where they couldnt respond. They were getting very nervous and couldnt defend his recored at all.  This went on for about 15 minutes. Then they got up and went " shopping" on the boat before boarding their bus to Victoria on the ferry. As they left I said " enjoy your trip!! , and good luck to you  Americans, eh? You sure will need it with the  horrible mess Bush has gottne your country into I sort of left out that I lived in Texas for 20 years and am registerd to vote there. They are on the defensive.. they arent use to Democrats being bold and aggessive. Plant the seeds of doubt. Dont argue, because you wont win.. just the seeds of doubt. Their minds will do the rest.
    •  Travel tips -- if you need 'em eh (none)
      The BC ferry rides are great.  The blueberries up there are really good this time of year.  And I could really go for an A&W drive-in with poutine, which A&W used to carry throughout the chain (not just in Quebec).

      Make sure to warn the Texans off of the Nanaimo bars too -- leave more for us.

    •  Sorry my bad (none)
      Sorry, my bad, I didn't catch that you actually live in BC, even though you're an American.
  •  Q: What is meant by "tinfoil hat" ? (none)
    ...I can sort of guess, but could benefit from a more thorough explanation - thanks.

    "We should pay attention to that man behind the curtain"

    by Ed Tracey on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 12:12:45 PM PDT

    •  from dkosopedia (none)
      Tin-Foil Hat
      A disturbed person who wears tin-foil on their head to ward off the voices and signals from outer space. A label for outlandish conspiracy theorists from both left and right. A reference to stereotypical crazy conspiracy theory. Now beginning to come into use as a self-deprecating term to acknowledge that what the person is about to say sounds somewhat outlandish. Used similarly to asbestos long-johns.  
  •  Some "mainstream" positive news on Kerry (none)
    For those on here who complain the traditional news media havent been reporting all there is to know about Kerry... here's something that should re-assure you:

    ---
    Kerry is attracting massive crowds in places where Democrats don't often campaign. The tens of thousands who have seen him this week have been overwhelmingly enthusiastic
    ------------

    http://us.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/04/kerry.map.ap/index.html

    Our hopes are high. Our faith in the people is great. Our courage is strong. And our dreams for this beautiful country will never die. - Pierre Trudeau

    by tribe34 on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 01:31:15 PM PDT

  •  Voting Right in Ohio (none)

    Many of you may have already seen reports discussing purges of registered voters in Hamilton County, where Cincinnati is located.
    http://www.legitgov.org/essay_monroe_ohio_voter_purge_071904.html

    Such purges can be a legitimate means to keep records up to date, but - as the Florida experience has taught us - sometimes the consequence is that citizens who vote less regularly, or those with prior criminal records (or who have names matching convicted felons), will arrive at the poll on Election Day only to be turned away.  

    In Ohio, only currently incarcerated felons are deprived the right to vote, but in an email exchange (which can be found in the link I provide above), a representative for the Hamilton County Bd of Elections indicated that they removed those with felony convictions (but who may or may not be currently incarcerated).  If true, then the Bd. is sweeping too far.  

    There are some new reports suggesting that felons are receiving misinformation about their right to vote.  On Tuesday, August 2, the WB Cincinnati news at 10 interviewed someone from the Prison Reform Advocacy Center, which just issued a report outlining problems with the protection of felons' voting rights in Ohio, including Hamilton County.  The Center interviewed felons and discovered that many of them had been given erroneous information about their right to vote.  Here's the report: http://www.prisonreform.com/reports/Ohio%20Felon%20Voting%20Rights%20Paper.pdf.

    In this report, it does not state how and with what criteria Hamilton County's Board of Electors remove citizens convicted of a felony from the list of registered voters. This part of the story is important. Can we trust these Boards to do what is right in such a close election? In Florida, the state recently attempted to use a purge list that included only African-Americans, but not Hispanics (which some people criticized because the discrepancy may have been motivated by partisan concerns). http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=13873  

    In addition, many Ohio viewers may not be aware that they will be removed from the list of registered voters if they did not vote in 2000 and in the midterm election in 2002.  Because voter participation rates will likely reach historic highs in the fall election, these "inactivity purges" may affect large numbers of voters.  Even if boards of elections send notices -- and I have not verified that they have done so or are required or planning to do so -- many voters may not have received them or read them.  

    Because the deadline to registrar is 30 days prior to the election, there is plenty of time to do the investigative work and determine whether anything serious or controversial is occurring here.

    I have contacted local news stations, and the DNC's Voting Rights Institute. The Cincinnati Enquirer ran a very brief piece today, with no independent reporting:  http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/08/04/loc_exfelons04.html

    Many of you may have already seen reports discussing purges of registered voters in Hamilton County, where Cincinnati is located.
    http://www.legitgov.org/essay_monroe_ohio_voter_purge_071904.html

    Such purges can be legitimate means to keep records up to date, but - as the Florida experience has taught us - sometimes the consequence is that citizens who vote less regularly, or those with prior criminal records (or who have names matching convicted felons), will arrive at the poll on Election Day only to be turned away.  

    In Ohio, only currently incarcerated felons are deprived the right to vote, but in an email exchange (which can be found in the link I provide above), a representative for the Hamilton County Bd of Elections indicated that they removed those with felony convictions (but who may or may not be currently incarcerated).  If true, then the Bd. is sweeping too far.  

    There are some new reports suggesting that felons are receiving misinformation about their right to vote.  On Tuesday, August 2, the WB Cincinnati news at 10 interviewed someone from the Prison Reform Advocacy Center, which just issued a report outlining problems with the protection of felons' voting rights in Ohio, including Hamilton County.  The Center interviewed felons and discovered that many of them had been given erroneous information about their right to vote.  Here's the report: http://www.prisonreform.com/reports/Ohio%20Felon%20Voting%20Rights%20Paper.pdf.

    In this report, it does not state how and with what criteria Hamilton County's Board of Electors remove citizens convicted of a felony from the list of registered voters. This part of the story is important. Can we trust these Boards to do what is right in such a close election? In Florida, the state recently attempted to use a purge list that included only African-Americans, but not Hispanics (which some people criticized because the discrepancy may have been motivated by partisan concerns). http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=13873  

    In addition, many Ohio viewers may not be aware that they will be removed from the list of registered voters if they did not vote in 2000 and in the midterm election in 2002.  Because voter participation rates will likely reach historic highs in the fall election, these "inactivity purges" may affect large numbers of voters.  Even if boards of elections send notices -- and I have not verified that they have done so or are required or planning to do so -- many voters may not have received them or read them.  

    Because the deadline to registrar is 30 days prior to the election, there is plenty of time to do the investigative work and determine whether anything serious or controversial is occurring here.

    I have contacted local news stations, and the DNC's Voting Rights Institute. The Cincinnati Enquirer ran a very brief piece today, with no independent reporting:  http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/08/04/loc_exfelons04.html

  •  Missouri Primary election map (none)
    Right here: http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Aug/2004843096657022858309.jpg

    Claire really "ran the table" on the state

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