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He's made it official. After going ballistic over Hillary's NY Senate run, Keyes couldn't resist the siren song of another political race, even if halfway across the country from his Maryland home.
At a press conference, Keyes, who is from Maryland, took a significant amount of time explaining why he was deciding to parachute into Illinois to run. One of the biggest reasons, he said, was because of Obama's support for abortion rights, especially so-called partial-birth abortions.

"Barack Obama abandons the principles of our Declaration (of Independence) and destroys the foundation of our national union," Keyes said.

Keyes admitted his lack of knowledge of Illinois and spoke a great deal about his love of Maryland, where his father is from.

"I might not know the streets yet and the neighborhoods and all the things that go to make up the everyday life of the people," Keyes said. "But if in fact, the people of Illinois still stand together on the American creed, still assert their right of self-government, still have the sense of responsible citizenship, then I believe I know their spirit and their conscience and their heart."

Ask Keyes the name of our state bird (I'm always going to be a Chicagoan, even if I have settled in the Bay Area), ask him for an intelligent discussion of Peotone, ask him which football team he roots for. Which basketball team. Ask him which baseball teams Illinois residents root for (hint: it's more than two).

Ask him what part of "I wouldn't imitate it" wasn't a flip flop?

I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented by Hillary Clinton's willingness go into a state she doesn't even live in and pretend to represent people there, so I certainly wouldn't imitate it.
The big question is whether Keyes' cynical run (and race) will depress GOP turnout in a state Bush has no chance of winning. Because if so, we may be looking at two or three stronger pickup opportunities in congressional races in the state.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 05:49 PM PDT.

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  •  Keyes "needs help" - from a doctor (nt) (none)
    •   Here's his explanation for move to Ill. (none)
      The real Keyes:
      "'I must leave the land of my forefathers in order to defend the land of my spirit, of my conscience and my heart -- and I believe that that land is Illinois.'"

      Channeled Keyes:
      Not sure it is Illinois, but I believe it is. Maybe its one of those other "I" states--Iowa, maybe, or Indiana. My spirit does tend to wander.

      Effing inspiring.

      •  "I believe that that land is Illinois" (4.00)
        man that's rich.  what he probably means is "i believe that land is illinois.  at least that's what it sounded like god was saying..."

        god, of course was actually saying: yo alan. chill. annoy some other deity, wouldja?  i have this on excellent authority.

        get US troops out of iraq and into sudan

        by zeke L on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:43:25 PM PDT

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    •  This really boggles... (none)
      the mind. Don't you think that it would have been better for the Repubs to just concede this race? They couldn't get anyone in all of Illinois to run as a Repub...not a one! Amazing...

      Bush/Cheney '04: Thanks for Not Paying Attention!

      by mugsimo on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:43:32 PM PDT

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      •  Yes and No (none)
        It would have been better for Illinois if the GOP had just conceded this race.  The choice of Keyes smells worse than imported cheese.
        But now Barack has to hang around home more often.  It'll still be an easy win, but he won't be able to get to Detroit and St. Louis and Cleveland as often as he could have with no competition.
        •  Why would he be going... (none)
          to those places if he's "running" for office in Illinois? Do you mean to help other campaigns? Besides, even with Keyes foaming at the pulpit, it's easier for Obama to go to Ohio or Michigan than, say, Florida.

          Bush/Cheney '04: Thanks for Not Paying Attention!

          by mugsimo on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:26:21 PM PDT

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          •  Obama said that if Kerry (none)
            asked him to campaign in other states, he would.

            I think he should concentrate on getting Melissa Bean and Christine Cegelis and Tari Renner elected. When he was touring downstate some local candidates appeared with him. So did Lane Evans.

            •  Would that really go over well? (none)
              I mean, he's definitely going to be elected, but it's kind of odd for a state senator to campaign in other states?

              "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

              by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:09:43 AM PDT

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              •  That's my point... (none)
                he isn't a Senator, yet. Yes, it's a given. (Then again, these days I never take anything for granted.) However, he can stump for others on the basis that he's a good Democratic representative from Illinois, but is that most effective? I don't know.

                Bush/Cheney '04: Thanks for Not Paying Attention!

                by mugsimo on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:16:51 AM PDT

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                •  Hey, be quiet! (none)
                  After all, if Obama leaves IL to go help other people campaign, what's the GOP gonna say?

                  "Dang!  How can you have someone come in from out of state to tell us what we ought to think and..."

                  Oh.

                  Yeah.

                  Soundbites from the campaign trail--they'd make a superb Obama ad, very ironic.

                  "What do Republicans outside of Illinois say about a politician coming from out of state to campaign for an office in their state?"

                  <recorded remarks>

                  "So why is it different inside Illinois?  Why is it ok for a Republican to come from MARYLAND, where he's lived for years, where he ran UNSUCCESSFULLY for a senate seat <number> years ago?"

                  "Perhaps Illinois Republicans ought to listen to other Republicans on these issues.  Something's just not quite right."

                  "Heck, maybe they ought to just listen to what the Republican carpetbagger candidate said four years ago, when someone else moved to another state to run for the Senate there...

                  He said it was wrong, and that he resented her going "... into a state she doesn't even live in and pretend to represent people there, so I certainly wouldn't imitate it."

                  "Four years later, he's imitating it.  If that's how long his strong feelings and opinions last, how long will his views on other things remain reliable?"

                  A liberal is a conservative who's been through treatment. -- Garrison Keillor

                  by ogre on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:41:36 AM PDT

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                  •  Ha-ha... (none)
                    Good point! I'm not saying that he shouldn't stump wherever he wants or would be effective, I just can't see why having Keyes throwing apoplectic fits over in Illinois should stop him.

                    Bush/Cheney '04: Thanks for Not Paying Attention!

                    by mugsimo on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 05:37:14 AM PDT

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      •  Ah, no-- (4.00)
        If they just conceded, they'd miss this great opportunity to insult the shit out of every single black voter in the great state of Illinois, by saying to them -- and not even subtly -- 'come on now, you all will vote for anybody who's got a black skin; well, here, vote for this guy!  Yeah, he's an asshole who's opposed to everything that would make life better for 99.999% of you, but hey, he's black, so shut up and vote for him!'

        It'd be infuriating if it weren't so funny.  Or do I mean the reverse.  In any case, it would be news, and I mean news with a capital N, to the Rethugs here in Illinois that being black is about more than just skin color.  I'm sure they think that 'Uncle Tom' is a laudatory title; and I'm sure they consider Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice black as black gets.

        Here I was, a Chicago native and resident, just feeling really smug that my state is being spared the campaign ads for BushCo this time around; and now I'm in danger of seeing this fuckwit Keyes on my TV screen spewing heaven only knows what disgusting filth.  I am so not happy about this.

        "Often it does seem a pity that Noah and his party did not miss the boat." (Mark Twain)

        by cinnamondog on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:07:35 PM PDT

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    •  Whats the deal with keyes? (none)
      Oh man, I'm going to be hearing a lot of about him soon here in Chicago. I'm sure the term carpetbagger will be tossed around quite a bit.

       Every quote I've read from him is high on the political theory scale, and en masse don't seem be at all very consistant.  He plays himself off as this hardcore constitutional thinker, but clearly his words and actions are two different things.  Not to mention he's in the party of suspending civil liberties, including right to a trial. The party of the modern day theocrat. The party of the biggest welfare state in the world, that is corporate welfare including the defense industry.  The party that believe gays, atheists, and other undesirables do not deserve the same rights as good xtian people.  The party whose idea of race relations is producing a fictional "welfare queen" in Chicago to use as a strawman to help keep office.

      And Keyes is coming here to fix our system? Buddy, you should be fixing your national party as the GOP can't even rightly be seen as conservative anymore.  If anything you guys are dangerously close to being theocrat/kleptocrats right-wing extremists with your current neocon fad and Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft triple threat to democracy.

      This whole campaign sounds like a bad running dirty joke.  I mean Seven-of-Nine wouldnt put out in a club in Paris. Mike Ditka decides doing ads for impotency medicine is how he's doing to spent his retirement.  And now they drag in this Keyes character who, for all his faults, rightly attacked carpetbagging only to carpetbag a few years later? I don't care who is doing the bagging, its harmful to local politics when the national party can drag in anyone to run for Senate.

      If there's a threat to state's rights and if federalism has gotten too out of hand, as Keyes seems to be claiming, carpet fucking bagging is the epitome of that problem.  Man, someone hit this guy with the clue bat. Hard.

      Why does the GOP get a free pass on open hypocrisy, yet if Kerry changes his mind between the ages of 18 and 60 he's a waffler?  Man, the dems really need a better soundbite machine and need to buy more media.  The fairness doctrine just ain't coming back, buy some media to at least stop the massive hemmoraging of propaganda and partisan crap coming out of the local Fox and NBC affiliate and 90% of the cable networks.  Please.

  •  Now, now. . . (none)
    even if thousands of miles from his Maryland home.

    Let's not get carried away (we can leave that Keyes in his speeches).  Baltimore to Chicago is 605 miles.

    George W. Bush -- It's mourning in America.

    by LarryInNYC on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:56:22 PM PDT

  •  Better yet (none)
    ask him where Carbondale, Cairo or Peoria are on a map.

    I don't think Keyes will play too well in Southern Illinois.

    George W. Bush -- Disaster Accomplished

    by Unstable Isotope on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:56:26 PM PDT

    •  Um. . . (none)
      ask him where Carbondale, Cairo or Peoria are on a map.

      Pennsylvania, Egypt, and Arizona?

      Did you know that Pennsylvania is not named after William Penn (who, as a Quaker, would not be so vain).  It was named by the King after W. Penn's father.

      Further south, in Virginia, you can visit Spotsylvania.  It was named after William Penn's dog.

      George W. Bush -- It's mourning in America.

      by LarryInNYC on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 09:59:46 PM PDT

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    •  I agree... (none)
      He's going to tank.  Huge political miscalculation on his part.  He might have some political/ideological similarities to conservatives in Southern Illinois, but they're not going to like him much (I just don't see him relating to the American farmer, let alone the unemployed worker).  I think it's just a sign of how bad the Republican party in Illinois has gotten.  It'll make for an interesting debate I suppose, but that's about it.  Anyway, Obama was fantastic in the debates for Congress a number of years ago when he ran against Bobby Rush (who oddly enough didn't show up for the debate I watched).  Furthermore, people in Chicago (and Illinois in general) don't take much to imposters.  PREDICTION - he'll drop out of the race or it'll be a non-campaign because he won't have any money...
      •  I think he'll have his share of money. (none)
        He's well-known among bigots and far-right groups on a national level. He will also be used to drive up the GOP ticket and get big turnout to knock off Democrats in the legislature and possibly in a few Congressional districts. This probably saved Hyde and Phil Crane, and may hurt others like Evans. He will also be given a fair share of money because they want someone who can wound Obama before he becomes too well-known, or too respected. I mean, I saw Obama's photo on the main page of AOL today. Imagine the most popular ISP out there showcasing the photo and name of some state senator from Illinois? It's mania.

        Any of you in IL just make sure that the turnout is high among Dems this year. Don't let anyone take this race for granted.

        •  You're too pessimistic, James. (none)
          Explain to me again why a non-white carpetbagger is going to inspire people to go to the polls.  I'm extremely skeptical.  I predict that for every wingnut who shows up, two mainline Repubicans stay home in disgust.

          "The longest journey begins with the first step. And that first step is electing John Kerry." -- Howard Dean, 3/25/04

          by Go Vegetarian on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:54:24 PM PDT

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          •  Moderate Republicans won't have a (none)
            problem voting for a black Republican. They also may support him because of the partial-birth abortion ban. The fundies just adore him and they will go the polls in record numbers.

            I've said many times that I think Obama is going to win. Keyes isn't going to beat him. That isn't the point of his running. The point is to make Obama look bad, tarnish him for future races, and to drive up turnout in downticket races. And we shouldn't forget that.

            •  No, but (none)
              moderate Republicans will have a problem voting for a raving wingnut. Abortion is really not that big an issue in Illinois, apart from the raving wingnut fringe, which is pretty doggone small here, so I don't think that's going to do much to drive up turnout. Ditto with the fundies, of whom, fortunately, we have relatively few.

              Keyes has zero chance of winning. He also has zero chance (or near enough to it for the two to be indistinguishable) to "...make Obama look bad, tarnish him for future races, [or] to drive up turnout in downticket races." It's not going to happen.

              Fact: Keyes is a raving wingnut. That doesn't go over well in Illinois. Our Republicans have a tendency to be moderates--socially liberal and fiscally conservative for the most part. (See, e.g., Jim Thompson from the 9/11 commission, a former governor.)

              Fact: Keyes isn't from around here. That doesn't go over well anywhere, including Illinois. Doubly so for politicians who are trying to woo local voters.

              Fact: Keyes is black. There are, regrettably, still some people in Illinois for whom this is a huge issue--and it tends to trump most other issues, including party loyalty, abortion, or what have you.

              Put all three of those together in the same person, and it's a walking disaster. And that's what the Illinois GOP gave the citizens of Illinois when it picked Alan Keyes as its candidate for U.S. Senate.

        •  He'll have his share of money (none)
          But Keyes won't drive up the GOP vote ANYWHERE in Illinois.  There's some deep seated racism in the "white flight" collar counties and downstate.
          For the life of me, I still can't understand why they sought out a black candidate.
        •  Was Henry Hyde really in trouble? (none)
          And who is Phil Crane? I feel like I should recognize the name, but I don't.

          Also, how is Keyes well-known (and presumably liked) among bigots?

          "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

          by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:18:54 AM PDT

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          •  asdf (none)
            Yes, Henry's in a race, though he may not yet realize it. Keep your eyes on IL-6. The district gave GWB a 5% margin over Al Gore in 2000. Christine Cegelis (DFA endorsed) is the first serious candidate Hyde's ever faced, and her fundraising really spiked after the convention. Full-time experienced professional campaign staff for this first-time campaigner who does understand how to work the district. (House parties Wednesday night this week.)

            Phil Crane's been around forever. Okay, not for ever, but in Congress since the 60s. His vote numbers have dwindled over recent years. Melissa Bean, who ran against him in 2002 in a 55/45ish race, has a huge bunch of volunteers. State GOP leadership may be getting tired of Crane's apparent lack of interest in campaigning, and gossip sez that he's lost touch with his district. Reasonable chance for an upset, especially given the externals (Bunnypants, Keys)

            vote early - vote often

            by wystler on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 02:14:51 PM PDT

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      •  He's not going to drop out (none)
        Neither is he going to fight hard for a seat he's got to know he has absolutely no chance of winning. I think he's entirely in this race for his own personal aggrandizement. He's been slipping on the national conservative lecture circuit lately, and this is an opportunity to get some free publicity, boost his visibility, and then raise his fees. He's still half a million dollars in debt from his last campaign (I don't remember if it was the MD Senate race or the last presidential run), and he has a history of paying himself handsomely.

        I'm also going to disagree with JamesB3, below: I don't think Keyes is going to amass a whole lot of money, even from the national wingnut fringe. It's late in the day, and I think an awful lot of people have already maxed out on their political contributions for the year. They may be wingnutty, but they've also got to realize that he stands zero chance of winning this election--and that's not much of an incentive to give cash. Keyes won't be able to raise much from the GOP nationally, either: they're already backing away from this race. And there's no way the local party is going to be too enthusiastic about supporting somebody who has zero connections to the state, and who is going to fly away off to Maryland on November 3 after he loses, big-time.

        My prediction: If Keyes scores in the high 20s, I'll be amazed.

      •  I'm thinking he might drop out too (none)
        Kinda early to be thinking that, but he's not used to Midwestern grassroots campaigning and if he becomes a drag on the already lame ticket, I can see these GOP white boys asking him to just go away.
        And who cares how "interesting" the debates might be.  No one in Illinois watches Senate debates.  I know it's the land of Lincoln-Douglas, but people here just don't watch debates.  I don't even think the broadcast networks air them,at least not during prime time.  I've been in Chicago for fifteen years and I think I've seen only one IL Senate debate.
        •  Wonder if.... (none)
          Cheney will come to IL and campaign for him. wouldn't that be a scream.

          Bush war record: one avoided, two botched.

          by susanp on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:30:18 PM PDT

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        •  Not true (none)
          No one in Illinois watches Senate debates.  I know it's the land of Lincoln-Douglas, but people here just don't watch debates.  I don't even think the broadcast networks air them,at least not during prime time.  I've been in Chicago for fifteen years and I think I've seen only one IL Senate debate.

          They are broadcast, though probably not on any of the broadcast networks. PBS covers them, as do the local stations. I distinctly remember watching the debates between Rich Wilkinson and Carol Moseley Braun in 1992.

          •  That's funny! (none)
            The one debate I could remember seeing was the Carol Moseley Braun/Rich Williamson debate.  
            I'm sure you're correct that PBS will air the Obama-Keyes debates, but for every Illinoisan tuning in, there'll be 200 watching The Simpsons, not particularly concerned that "history" is being made.
            •  I love politics, but (none)
              I'd rather watch "The Simpsons," too.

              "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

              by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:20:21 AM PDT

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            •  Williamson (none)
              My bad! I'm amazed I remembered anything even close to his name, considering he totally dropped off the radar after losing that race. I should remember him, though, since his loss and Clinton's win that November earned me $50 from a Republican colleague of mine at the office, now deceased. (God be good to him.)
            •  What's the point? (none)
              We all know who we're going to vote for (of course, i can't vote for Obama, wish i could), so if i were in Illinois, i'd probably wouldn't bother to watch the debates. Alan Keyes turns my stomach and if i wanted to feel sick, i'd just watch Fox News all day.

              Keyes is such a dick. Is this GOP's lame attempt to get some black votes? If so, they really picked the wrong candidate. All the black people i know, they basically hate Keyes more than Bush. Keyes should take a hint.

              On the other hand, it's quite nice to see Keyes gettin' slaughtered at the polls.

              Republicans best friend is ignorance.

              by Jonesyboy on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 07:38:22 AM PDT

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    •  What was the famous question? (none)
      Where is Chicago county?  Or was that Lincoln county?  I forget now.  
      •  *snort* (none)
        If Keyes needs any help remembering what county Chicago is in, he should just think about his goose.

        This is the final nail in the Illinois GOP's coffin.  How many House seats do you suppose we'll pick up as a result of this?

        Bush is a divider, an eraser, and a protractor. But not much of a ruler.

        by AdmiralNaismith on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:44:34 PM PDT

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      •  The QUESTION (none)
        Mr. Keyes, how are you going to do in Lincoln County?

        This question was asked more than once of Chicago politicians who wanted to run statewide. The only right answer is that there is no Lincoln County in Illinois.

        vote early - vote often

        by wystler on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 02:45:07 AM PDT

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  •  I hope in the debates (none)
    Obama pins him down on the carpetbagger thing, and if he avoids admitting his flip flop there shoud be a video ready to show the voters what a phony and a hypocrite Keyes really is, as are all the wingnuts today.
    Fight fire with fire Obama, that is acceptable when dealing with scoundrels like this.
    Although your class and compassion should carry the day in the end.
    PEACE!
    ABB&B!!!
    KERRY/EDWARDS 2004
    •  Obama should ignore Keyes (none)
      for as long as possible. Why give him any more publicity?

      --- My opinions are my own and not my employer's.

      by Aexia on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:00:57 PM PDT

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    •  Disagree (none)
      Fighting fire with fire will only drag down the level of debate - at whatever level. It's completely the wrong approach, especially when Obama is an ideologically and oratorically superior candidate. Further, nationally, Bush has no record to run on, the more we can facilitate an honest, civil debate on the issues the better we do.

      Politically, negative campaigning appears to, more and more, lead to undesirable backlash.

      You will not see Obama fight fire with fire - he never has and his stardom is based partly on that fact. Second... he doesn't need to! Why should he risk damaging himself or his image when there is simply no need?

  •  Obama can suck up all the attention (none)
    Obama is going to win...everyone knows it. But the race is 'sexy'...it has the good looking rising star, the former sex fiend candidate, the carbet bagger (with Hillary like links)...this race has everything a race needs...except of course the possibility for any surprise

    I have been frustrated how little attention the media has spent on the race for control of Senate. There are about 10 races that can go either way including the Dem Leaders. And there are some weird twists and turns like the possibility of a tie and special elections in MA and LA.

    I just hope the DNC/DCCC is spending as much time and money on winning back the senate as they are the White House...I dont remember hearing anyone talk about it at the Dem Convention.

  •  Keyes' connection to Lincoln (none)
    Did that title get your attention?  :-)  Seriously, I just blogged on this myself, and I found Keyes invoking Abraham Lincoln just a bit too much to stomach.

    Seems he noted that Lincoln was not a native of Illinois, either.  Of course, Lincoln was 21 when he moved to Illinois and lived there for the next 30 years, until he left to take office as president.

    Nice try, there, Al.

    Announcing the birth on August 7, 2004 of a progressive oasis in Florida's center of wingnuttery: Blast Off!

    by Sinfonian on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:03:22 PM PDT

  •  Despoiling the Egyptians... (none)
    This flip-flopping thing is hilarious. When Hannity used to go on about it (maybe he still does), I'd always laugh so hard, and it's still funny to this day!

    Of course, the biggest flip-flopper of all is my local whether man. One day he says partly cloudy, the next he says sunny with a chance of high winds. When is this guy going to make up his mind?

  •  Will this move leave a void in Maryland? (4.00)
    I'm an opportunistic egomaniac who's prone to saying ridiculous things and my integrity is rock bottom...maybe they could use me for...what was it he was doing before he took up this campaign?

    Mankind faces a crossroads: One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.

    by PBJ Diddy on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:10:51 PM PDT

  •  Hey Kos... (none)
    Don't ask Keyes what the state bird is, if I'm any indication, 9 out of 10 Illinois residents will not know the answer to this question (Cardinal?). I could do a quick internet search but that would ruin my natural Illinois naivete on this subject. Instead, ask Keyes what pizza toppings are acceptable. If he mentions pineapples or ham he will be promptly tarred, feathered and put onto the next plane headed for Maryland. Also, it's pop, never soda. The plural form of the word you is "you guys" or "yooz guys" never "y'all" and if I'm not mistaken, uttering the phrase "all y'all" is a misdemeanor in IL.
    •  Not (none)
      in Southern Illinois...it's y'all.

      George W. Bush -- Disaster Accomplished

      by Unstable Isotope on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:13:05 PM PDT

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    •  Y'all (none)
      is actully quite common outside of the state of Chicago. Just as are TheATEr and VEEhicle.

      In the Chicago area it depends on who you are speaking to. It could be 'yooz all', or 'all yooz', or' yooz guyz', or just guyz for short.

      Then there is the true tell tale sign: "Acrosst." Proper use of said term might be: "I saw yooz guys acrosst da street."

      No joke.

      The more I know the more I find I know very little.

      by michael in chicago on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:22:00 PM PDT

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      •  Okay, okay (none)
        mea maxima culpa, when I make sweeping generalizations about Illinois, I should stick to the Chicago area. In my world, the absolute edge of the known world to the south is 159th street-you fall off if you go any further.

        I will be more careful in my comments from now on. Thankfully I'm not running for Senate, although if I had asked nicely, I'm sure the Republicans would have let me.

    •  I'm down with (none)
      about 90% of that. I must respectfully disagree about cheese on a dog. I proudly order cheese dogs with impunity anywhere in Chicago or the greater Chicagoland area!
      •  Fond memory Of Chicago (none)
        I'm visiting my college roomate and we decide to go out and scout for the best Italian dinner we can get.

        He sez to me he sez: "We gotta find a Mafia hangout to get the best food."(His family had just moved there)

        So we get an early start and start scouting.

        We wander into a likely place but it's deserted except for the bartender.

        We go up to the bartender and ask about getting something to eat. He barely looks at us but sez" "Sammitches.  We just got sammitches 'til 5:00."

        We're about to leave when he suddenly yells to someone just walking in: "Yo, Loowie, ya packin'?"

        Best damned Italian food I ever ate.

        You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.

        by mattman on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:06:14 AM PDT

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    •  Illinois has (quite) a few Cardinal fans (none)
      After all, it's the state bird, and St. Louis is closer to more of downstate than Chicago is.
    •  I'm in trouble, then (none)
      The state bird is, in fact, the cardinal. (Though around these parts, it should really be the crow, as they vastly outnumber the cardinals.)

      As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter what one puts on a hot dog, it should be illegal to sell the things in the first place. Just....eeeuw!

      "Y'all" is not a misdemeanor even in Chicago, which is a lot more cosmopolitan these days than in the past. I got my bachelor's degree at Knox College in Galesburg, and my second master's degree at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, and I heard more authentic "Southern" accents in both places than on my last visit to Kentucky. And it is perhaps an artifact of my Greek teacher (who, although from Down East originally, did his Ph.D. at the University of Texas at Austin), but to this day I have a tendency to translate the second person plural as "y'all..."

    •  3 kinds of pizza (none)
      We do thin crust but ya gotta answer "Slices or Squares?"

      And Kraut on a dog is pretty questionable, although it's fine on a brat (imported from Wisconsin of course). Don't forget the relish which should glow in the dark. And a Polish should have grilled onions, tomato and slices of cucumber.

      Can't wait til he has to negotiate a Mr. Beef Combo (Hot and Wet), in public. Maybe Leno will explain.

      Do you suppose his articulate head will explode when he has to go see "Dez Planes" out by the airport?

      •  It still does! (none)
        Had a Villa Nova pizza not more than a week ago.  Grew up in unincorporated Lombard, live in Wheaton now, and they've still got the best thin crust I know of.

        That cocaine snorting, drunk driving, felony concealing, execution dealing, election stealing, smirking AWOL fratboy ain't MY president!

        by jazzmaniac on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:32:09 PM PDT

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    •  Pop/soda (none)
      Is it "pop" in Chicago?  I'm not so sure.  I've been a Chicagoan for a long time and I say "soda."  I didn't learn that growing up in Iowa.
    •  Ashamed to be a Chicagoland Native (none)
      Damned straight it's a cardinal. I'd expect only a White Sox fan to fail to answer that question (all 37 of 'em).  

      Pizza doesn't have "toppings" in Chicago - check the menu at Uno's, Due's or Lou Malnati's.  They're "ingredients".  They're "toppings" at Dominos. But ask him what belongs on a Chicago style hotdog (yellow mustard, relish, chopped raw onions, a pickle spear, sliced tomatoes, sport peppers and celery salt) and on a Maxwell Street Polish (yellow mustard, grilled onions piled high, and sport peppers).  Ain't know way he knows, and if he sez ketchup on either, give him an autographed 8x10 of Teresa Kerry and a one-way bus ticket back home.

      In St. Clair County, it's definitely soda. And Little Egypt is closer to Jackson, MS, than it is to Chicago.  The others who've made mention are definitely right about "y'all".

      vote early - vote often

      by wystler on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 02:58:14 AM PDT

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  •  ask him to pronounce (none)
    that street in the Gold Coast of Chicago spelled "Goethe."
  •  Dat would be... (none)
    Da Bears
    Da Bulls
    Da Cubs

    Carpetbaggers won't play here, especially ugly sweaty preacher types with high whispy voices with no Chicago or Illinois accent.

    The more I know the more I find I know very little.

    by michael in chicago on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:15:00 PM PDT

  •  I think it's great (none)
    that Keyes is running. From what I read, he has no money - lot's of debt from previous runs. That means the repubs will have to pour alot of cash into this race to even give it the appearance of a contest - And Chicago ain't cheap!

    Because it's 2 black candidates, it will probably draw more national attention than usual. This should be great for Obama, and good for Dems in general.

    "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." GWB

    by JoeWPgh on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:16:18 PM PDT

    •  Are they really going to (none)
      put a lot of money into this race? Unless Obama is caught in a bathroom high with a farm animal, he's going to win - and even then, it would be close.

      "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

      by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:28:50 AM PDT

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      •  I have no (none)
        idea whether they will or not. My hunch is that they will have to put something in, or it becomes a bigger joke than it was. After all the comedy of finding a candidate, they have to at least pretend to be behind it. Chicago media market size makes this an expensive place to do so.

        "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." GWB

        by JoeWPgh on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 06:08:45 AM PDT

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  •  oh woe is us (none)
    you know what i think? well i'm gonna tell you anyway...

    we should act like we're all a bunch of self-doubting worried liberals over keyes getting into the race. (his oratory! it will overpower us! all hope is lost!)  

    that will make this latest ridiculous GOP miscalculation all the more funny.  plus i'd love to see the SCLM jump on this race as a big ticket item.  my big hope is that the obama-keyes debates will be nationally televised.  maybe even hyped up as the modern lincoln-douglas debates.  because obama will cream this sucker.  

    putting keyes' pseudo-grandiloquent blather that comes up empty up against obama's no-nonsense straight-to-the-heart common sense rhetoric could set the stage for the conservative-liberal landscape for a generation.  right now we're still playing on the reagan era "there you go again you tax'n'spend libruls" playing field, and it's high time we changed all that.

    get US troops out of iraq and into sudan

    by zeke L on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:18:46 PM PDT

  •  I happened to catch (4.00)
    Dennis Hastert on Meet the Press (?) this morning at my parents' house. Hastert did the best he could trying to explain away the grab-bag of disasters that passes for the Republican governance of this country and the pitiful state of the Republican party in Illinois. My mother told me she used to work with Dennis Hastert about twenty or so years ago here in Illinois, to which I replied, "Oh, really I didn't know that". She said, "Yeah he was an asshole then too."
    •  On the local news tonight (none)
      I saw some GOP talking head (can't remember who) say that Illinios was a Republican state, but Chicago had more population that was democratic that cancelled out the rest of the state.

      Illinois is Republican in the collar counties, but I'm not sure about the rest of the whole state. I have friends and in-laws out in rural Illinois, and the communities their in are really anti-Bush and Democratic.

      The more I know the more I find I know very little.

      by michael in chicago on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:26:25 PM PDT

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      •  I think (4.00)
        it's a moderate state. Chicago is obviously more Democratic and downstate more Republican, that's why moderate Republicans have been so successful up until recently, downstate Republicans plus collar county Republicans and some moderate "Reagan Democrat" types had been giving Republicans the state offices for many years. Now, the wingnuttiest elements of the party are taking over by default.
        No moderate wants to jump onto the flaming funeral pyre that is the Republican slate for IL Senate against Obama.
        •  There Ya Go Again (none)
          (I'm from Chicagoland, but my employer's biz markets statewide).

          "Downstate" is a figment of a Chicagoan's imagination. Doesn't exist. Might just as well say "those ignorant f____s who don't live in the Chicago area" for all the "love" you'll get when you lump folks from Rockford, Moline, Peoria, Champaign, Decatur, Edwardsville and Olney together. There are more than 10 different broadcast media markets that serve the rest of the state. The geologic regions are different. The economies are different. The voting patterns are different.

          There are 101 counties that aren't COOK in Illinois. Some are pure rural, while others are mostly urban/suburban in nature. Take a bigger look around at it some time.

          vote early - vote often

          by wystler on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 03:14:39 AM PDT

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      •  Actually... (none)
        ...Illinois is pretty Republican.  Lots of the Democrats are Republicans in disguise.  (Thank you, Mike Madigan, for reallly widening the tent!)  Several Illinois "Democrats" co-sponsored anti-woman, anti-choice legislation this year.  Outside of Chicago, Illinois is pretty conservative.  (Collar counties are heavily Republican.  Du Page County is Hastert territory and a Republican bastion.)  

        Gay-bashing outside of Chicago is so ingrained that folks don't even realize what they are saying.  Teenagers frequently run around saying, "That's gay!  That's gay!" when they mean, "That's stupid!")

        And, boy, do people hate "Spics."  Especially in the Belvidere (Boone County) and Marengo (McHenry County) areas.

        In a way, Illinois, outside of Chicago, Oak Park and Evanston, is pretty much a one-party state right now.  Demoblican!  Republicrat!

        I grew up in McHenry County, Kane, DeKalb and Boone Counties as my stompin' grounds.  Pretty darn Republican.  As is Lake County.  A few scattered Dems in Rockford (Winnebago County) but not enough to oust U.S. Rep. Manzullo, who founded the Northern Illinois Crisis Pregnancy Center in order to prevent women from utilizing the women's health services at the Northern Illinois Women's Center in Rockford.

        Down south, there are a few patches of Dems here and there, but they are of the conservative flavor.  I wouldn't be surprised if a few secretly vote for either Bush or Keyes.  

        There are pockets of African-Americans around Springfield and other areas that will likely vote Obama, because this municipality that houses the state capitol has not exactly been kind to these folks over the years.

        But Keyes will stumble because he's not familiar with Illinois economic woes.  I doubt he'll have sufficient time to come up to speed without relying on Judy Baar Topinka et al writing all his lines for him.

        Welcome to the Land of Al Capone, Mr. Keyes!

        Stop Bush. Just DO it.

        by Daemmern on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:24:48 PM PDT

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        •  If it's so Republican, (none)
          why did Bush lose by over 10 points in 2000? It wasn't even close.

          I thought some of the collar counties were becoming more moderate. CSM had an article last month about the suburbs around Chicago becoming more socially liberal.

          At least this explains why the legislature refuses to pass pro-gay bills. Jesse Jackson's friends are also instrumental in blocking them.

          Do you think that the state will support hard-right types if the IL GOP begins running them over the next few years?

          •  Yeah, it's changing fast (4.00)
            The collar counties used to go heavily Republican, but Gore almost won in 2000.  Obama-Ryan polls had Obama ahead in them back in April.  I'm betting that Kerry and Barack win the collar counties this year.
          •  Local v. State v. National (none)
            Do you think that the state will support hard-right types if the IL GOP begins running them over the next few years?

            I mean that Illinois -- outside Chicago -- is a Republican state.  It's Chicago-Oak Park-Evanston that throws the national vote to Democratic.  Take away Chicago, and Illinois is a red state.

            But as to state politics, things are much more conservative.  Good luck finding a place to have an abortion in peace, for instance.  The rightwingnuts have commandeered WLS talk radio, with the result of sowing bigotry & hatred across the state.  Good luck picking up a liberal radio station as you drive away from Chicago and out of the range of public radio from WNIU in DeKalb and WBEZ.  (Too bad we lost Air America!)  The state universities are pretty boring and conservative.  The community colleges outside of Chicago are pretty conservative.

            Illinois is a farm state, outside of Chicago and pockets of labor in Peoria, Rockford, etc.  A gradual influx of fundies is already happening.  Rural areas are susceptible to this sort of thing.  

            Some Muslims were recently attacked in Freeport (northern Illinois, just west of Rockford).

            Hard righters could easily infiltrate county and state offices, outside of Chicago.  Gays, guns, God & abortion play pretty well here.

            Stop Bush. Just DO it.

            by Daemmern on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:58:36 PM PDT

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            •  It should also be noted... (none)
              ...that a number of African-American religious leaders in Chicago came out in favor of banning gay marriage.  They are opposed to a comparison of the black struggle for civil rights and the civil rights of gays.  See an issue of The Chicago Defender about a month or so back.  Preachers came out and blasted Jesse Jackson and Rainbow/PUSH for being pro gay rights.  They see homosexuality as immoral.

              Stop Bush. Just DO it.

              by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:03:31 AM PDT

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              •  Yes, I know all about (none)
                how much blacks hate gays. I also know that some PUSH-affiliated legislators killed pro-gay legislation in the IL senate this year. I just didn't realize it was that awful in your state.

                Do you think that if some nut runs for governor in 2006, he'd win? Is it that awful there now? Is Chicago the only place which doesn't have hatemongers everywhere?

                If abortion is as huge an issue as you say, then doesn't Keyes have a pretty good chance? His main issue is abortion.

              •  Where are the (none)
                fundies coming from? Have they taken over everything?

                I guess the state will be red again pretty soon. Like what happened in Minnesota.

                I hadn't realized the place was so horrible. I'm sorry that I had the wrong ideas about Illinois. Thanks for correcting me.

                •  A candidate for 2006 Governor (none)
                  wouldn't win because of abortion.  It would be because of taxes and the state budget.  But someone who shouts taxes AND abortion will find many ears.

                  I don't think a rabid social conservative would win the governorship in 2006.  But a moderate Republican could win it back, if his/her record was squeaky clean.

                  Stop Bush. Just DO it.

                  by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 09:03:44 AM PDT

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            •  Really!!? (none)
              I trust, since you know all 102 counties and regions in Illinois, that you will tell us that Rock Island County, St. Clair County, and Madison County are just like the rest - dead red.

              No? What's that? The vote for (shock!) Democrats there too? How could that be????

              Did you move to California or Florida?

              vote early - vote often

              by wystler on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 03:20:15 AM PDT

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              •  Quad Cities & St. Louis (none)
                are some of those Democratic pockets of which I've spoke.  Outside of pockets in Quad Cities, St. Louis, Peoria, things look pretty red.  There's a lot of conservative blue out there.

                Sorry...Never lived in Florida or California.  What does Florida look like?

                Stop Bush. Just DO it.

                by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 08:23:56 AM PDT

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                •  Pockets? (none)
                  Metro-East (across river from St. Louis) is the most concentrated urban/suburban area in Illinois outside Chicagoland.

                  Rock Island County - Quad Cities (IL side) - is a large population center, too.  Almost as many as in Winnebago County.

                  Macoupin County elects democrats. So do Adams, Bureau, Champaign, Clinton, Effingham, Franklin, Fulton, Kankakee, Macon, Montgomery, Peoria, Randolph, Saline, Tazewell, White, Williamson,

                  Believe it or not, Dem. State Rep. Jack Franks is from Woodstock in (gasp!) McHenry County. Grab the kids, and get 'em to the root cellar!!

                  vote early - vote often

                  by wystler on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 01:56:44 PM PDT

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            •  But if you only (none)
              include the rural and suburban counties in every state, the Republicans are in a MUCH better position to win.

              "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

              by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:16:04 PM PDT

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            •  UIUC is NOT conservative!! (none)
              Heck it's practically Berkley east.  The problem is that the rural areas and the local politicos are all quite conservative in this area.
    •  you get a 4 (4.00)
      just for the phrase grab-bag of disasters that passes for the Republican governance of this country.  that definitely bears repeating.

      grab-bag of disasters that passes for the Republican governance of this country.

      get US troops out of iraq and into sudan

      by zeke L on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:37:25 PM PDT

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    •  Hmm (none)
      He seems like a charming guy, at least on television. I can't imagine ever agreeing to most of his policies, but he seems like someone I wouldn't mind talking to at a party. But perhaps I am missing something.

      "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

      by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:30:13 AM PDT

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      •  Well (none)
        He tends to . . . go off.  That's about the only way I can explain it.  He goes on these very weird stream of consciousness tangents and begins spouting these extremely peculiar ideas in this excited, passionate, almost weepy tone.  The contrast with what I'll call his other self, which is articulate, intelligent, and quite likable, is startling, and suggests someone who's taken leave of his senses.

        I'm basing this on having seen him a couple of times at GOP presidential debate performances.  I also caught a glimpse of him making his official announcement yesterday, and at one point he kind of started to take off, but remained essentially grounded.  But if he can't stay under control, he runs the risk of getting less than 30% of the vote.  Between being a complete stranger to Illinois, being extreme even by GOP standards, and (let's face it), being an African-American trying to appeal to GOP voters, he's already got a lot to overcome, and if he looks like a screaming loony, that will guarantee not just a defeat, but a defeat of historic proportions.

        "[A] great empire and little minds go ill together." - Edmund Burke

        "History. We don't know. We'll all be dead." - G. Bush, II, The Son King

        by JJB on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 11:48:56 AM PDT

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  •  Even better: (none)
    Ask him about the rights of Illinois gays and he'll tell you they don't deserve any. What an import he is!
  •  12.5 Million Unsuitable Candidates (none)
    Illinois has 12.5 million people.  What does it say about the Illinois GOP that they don't consider any of those 12.5 million people suitable for running as their candidate?  It's almost a slap in the face of the state.
  •  Downticket effects (none)
    Since Keyes has little -- if any -- base in Illinois, I wonder how many Republican voters will just stay home this November.  This represents a great opportunity to knock off a couple of Republican House incumbents; maybe Phil Crane, maybe Jerry Weller, maybe even Henry Hyde.  The state GOP may wish they'd kept Ryan or replaced him with George Ryan instead.

    As for Keyes, I no longer live in Illinois (I'm going to give my senate vote to Fingerhut this fall), so I'll have to hope that his debates with Obama will be released on DVD.  

    •  In a word (none)
      Huge. And not good from the Goopers' perspective. My read is that the moderate Republicans have all just shifted to Obama. Many of the rock-ribbed GOP-ers (including my stepfather) are seriously pissed off that the party imported a rental candidate. Some of them may vote Obama, others may skip the Senate race, and others may well stay home, especially as there isn't another statewide race to drive up voter turnout. The wingnut base in Illinois isn't large, and it's concentrated in areas of the state that Keyes isn't likely to visit at any point during the next 85 days, so I'm not sure how many of them are going to come out for him. His race isn't going to help with some of that fringe base, and his being from the East Coast is a definite minus there as well.
      •  So we could definitely knock off a few (none)
        GOP House members.

        Is it illegal for Obama to transfer some money to them?

        "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

        by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:33:36 AM PDT

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        •  I can barely keep up with my 403(b) (none)
          I have no hope of ever understanding campaign finance laws. But I think he can kick in some cash, yes. And there are a couple of races where the GOP stands a chance of losing a seat. (Not in my district, alas: I'd love to kiss Hastert's fat arse goodbye!)

          On the other hand, I suspect that those are some of the precincts where GOP turnout will be high. They just aren't going to be coming out to vote for Keyes.

  •  Poor Keyes! (none)
    He's a buffoon posing as a pseudointellectual. I can't imagine any element of the Illinois electorate that will be attracted to him. Obama's going to wipe the floor with him.
    •  The Repubs dont intend to win here.. (none)
      ...with Keyes running.. they've put forth a just enough high-profile name to keep Obama honest and campaigning in his own state/district, rather then having him travel to neighbouring states/districts to get voters enthusiastic about their own Democratic Candidate (I suppose Keyes could claim he was arrogant by taking the voters of Illinois for granted).

      This is merely a rear-guard action.

      Our hopes are high. Our faith in the people is great. Our courage is strong. And our dreams for this beautiful country will never die. - Pierre Trudeau

      by tribe34 on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:50:31 PM PDT

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  •  Tribune? (none)
    Hey folks, is there a Kos username/password to see articles in the Tribune site? I know a month or so ago our host proposed setting up an acocunt for all free registered sites. I tried dailykos/dailykos but no luck.

    Thanks
    -JH

  •  Oh hell, Kos.... (none)
    ask him if he prefers CARAMEL or CHEESE corn, or MIXED, and why.

    that answer alone will tell you why he ain't fit to represent the state.

    Bush war record: one avoided, two botched.

    by susanp on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 10:38:05 PM PDT

  •  Split Personality (none)
    Keyes tends to swing from foaming-at-the-mouth right wing kook to faux-intellectual "i'm way smarter than you so listen to my extended lecture" mode.  Neither of these "sides" of his personality can appeal to more than 10-20% of the electorate.
  •  racist choice (none)
    Does it strike anyone else as racist that the repubs came up with Keyes? To me this is reminiscent of when King George H.W. Bush wanted Clarence Thomas to replace retiring Thurgood Marshall on the Supreme C.
    •  Not Racist Choice (none)
      I wouldn't say it's a racist choice, but it does show how sensitive the GOP is about seeming like it's racist.  They went so far as to pick a candidate from another state just so they can claim that they aren't a lily white party.  

      I do think it's hypocritical though that so many Republicans come out against affirmative action but clearly choose candidates on the basis of racial preferences.

  •  Some Keyes quotes (none)
    Keyes says gay rights akin to adultery, pedophilia, rape:

    http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Alan_Keyes_Civil_Rights.htm

    If we're going to have special legal protections for homosexuals, shouldn't everybody else's uncontrollable sexual orientations be protected? Shouldn't adulterers, pedophiles, rapists, and other sorts of sexual aberrants be eligible for the same benefits?

    Gay rights akin to public sex:

    http://www.renewamerica.us/archives/speeches/00_04_06vermont.htm

    Starting with the laws that regulate public decency--because, after all, homosexuals want to say they can't control their inclination to do it with people of the same sex. What about folks who can't control their inclination to do it in front of other people, to do it on the swing, to do it in the public place, to do it in the library, to do it in the schoolyard, wherever?

    ....let us even assume, for the sake of argument, that we are going to say that, well, yes, it's somehow got a genetic basis or a biological basis or whatever. Well, so does adultery, I think. It's pretty deeply rooted, too, in the biology of most people.

    What one of Alan Keyes' guest writers says on Keyes' Web site:

    http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/cox/040315

    If one claims to be "born gay," one is claiming to be a biological mistake, a freak of nature. America must never allow this unnatural, unhealthy and immoral life style to become normalized.

    Keyes wants to reinstate the full ban on gays in the military, i.e., the old policy:

    http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Alan_Keyes_Civil_Rights.htm

    "I have signed the following pledge: In the interest of national security and the morale of our armed forces, if elected president of the US I pledge to reinstitute the ban on homosexuals serving in our nation's military."

  •  Forgive my naivete and my laziness... (none)
    but isn't there a residency requirement in Illinois?  I'm kind of bewildered as to how he could run...as I was with Hillary
    •  The Constitution (none)
      says a senator must be a resident of the state from which he is elected.  It doesn't say how long.  New Yorks board of elections requires a candidate to register 30 days before before an election in order to be able to vote.  The Clintons bought their house in Chappequa One FULL YEAR and two months before Clinton was elected senator.  Slight difference, no doubt, Keyes will rent a hotel room and move back to MD in November.

      Mankind faces a crossroads: One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.

      by PBJ Diddy on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:07:24 PM PDT

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      •  I forget, did Sen. Clinton (none)
        face a primary challenge?

        Whatever, you are spot on in regards to the Clintons and New York.

        "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

        by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:51:30 AM PDT

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        •  Congresswoman Nita Lowey (none)
          (My congresswoman) was actively running for the position UNTIL Clinton joined the race, at which point Lowey campaigned hard for her (they are close)...there was some talk (mostly from the GOP, but some inside dems) about how unfair Hillary's run was to Lowey (who had been positioning for a statewide race for some time) because she took a while to formally enter  - of course the same thing happened on the GOP side, Rick Lazio was running for the slot until state leaders talked him into dropping out so Giulliani could have a clear shot.  When Rudy dropped out, Lazio got back in, but was at a disadvantage from a false start (plus Giulliani sucked up a good chunk of anti-Hillary donations, not all of which were returned).

          Mankind faces a crossroads: One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly.

          by PBJ Diddy on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 08:42:30 AM PDT

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    •  So then... (none)
      Who's gonna move to Louisiana and run against Alexander?  Anyone in a Los Angeles neighborhood with too many other Democrats to get your foot in the door?  "Vote for Tiffany Ruiz--a lifelong LA native..."

      Bush is a divider, an eraser, and a protractor. But not much of a ruler.

      by AdmiralNaismith on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:59:30 PM PDT

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  •  Becoming a dedicated Keyes protestor (none)
    Alan Keyes is so wrong for Illinois, that he ought to have hecklers at every campaign stop.  I'm going to do what I can when he's in the Chicago area.  
    I've got a couple sign ideas:
    "A million in campaign debt or bust."
    "Keyes.  Idaho Senate 2008."
    Other ideas would be appreciated.
  •  Question (none)
    Um...is this actually legal? I mean, I know you can move into your district for just a few months before you run, but can you actually have no residential status at all and still run for Senate?
  •  As far as residency, (none)
    Keyes need only be a resident on election day (pretty easy, huh?)

    The selection of Keyes is nothing other than a takeover of the weakened Illinois GOP by the wingnuts.

    What the Illinois Rethuglicans NEED to do is front a respectable candidate who would go down in defeat waging a respectable, noble campaign.

    The editorial boards, and the pundits, and for that matter the Illinois citizens would respond favorably to such an individual, laying the groundwork for the rebuilding of  party in the state.  Said candidate could possibly even resurface a couple years hence to  mount a genuine challenge to Durbin.

    But one thing ya gotta luv about the wingnuts:  Every single time the electorate rejects their agenda, their response is "We've got to go further to the right next time."

    That cocaine snorting, drunk driving, felony concealing, execution dealing, election stealing, smirking AWOL fratboy ain't MY president!

    by jazzmaniac on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:07:07 PM PDT

    •  You are exactly right. (none)
      The best thing the GOP could do in Illinois would be to run a moderate who, while he/she would have very little chance of winning, could send a powerful message that the party of Thompson and Edgar, i.e. Republican moderates who were electable and far more agreeable to many southern Illinoisans and DuPage county types was still alive or being rebuilt. Even if this person lost. it would go a long way to improve the image of the party. Instead, they've imported a nutcase from out of state! The rank and file are not feeling good about Keyes.
  •  Keyes performs a vital role in Illinois politics (none)
    When I was in Illinois, the common wisdom was that the base vote of any party was how people voted for the University of Illinois Trustees.

    Well, now all of the campaign geeks in Illinois will have a new measure for the base (and I use that term in both senses) Republican vote is in every precinct  in the state.

    And, they get this information for free.

    Blind faith in bad government is not patriotic.

    by MoDem on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:13:50 PM PDT

  •  Wasn't there a repug Primary? (none)
    Didn't someone come in second place?  I mean, if Miss America can get it together if the winner can't serve, what soes that say for the Repubs in Ill?

    Don't Blame America, we voted for Gore.

    by ETinKC on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:18:00 PM PDT

    •  sorry about the typos (none)
      soes=does

      Don't Blame America, we voted for Gore.

      by ETinKC on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:18:50 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  The others who (none)
        ran in the Repulican senate primary were asked to run again after JACK! but declined for various reasons, but mainly because none of them relished the thought of jumping into a losing campaign and having to use their own money and/or raise it at this late stage in the game.
        •  Actually (none)
          Oberweis wanted to run, but he made some disparaging remarks about immigrants and so the national party let it be known that they had no interest in his candidacy (i.e., they thought he might hurt Bush).

          Those who stand for nothing fall for anything - Alexander Hamilton

          by patagonia on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 02:31:58 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Second place went to (none)
      a dairy magnate named Oberweis, who ran campaign ads where he rode in a helicopter and yelled for illegal immigrants to stop taking Illinois jobs away.

      He is beloved among the wingnuts, but is considered radioactive by the state party. They know that Keyes can say these things and get away with them, because of his race (black conservatives get away with anything because they always say "you're a racist" when you criticize them). Oberweis cannot.

  •  Alan keyes has one job only (4.00)
    And that is to talk about abortion -- all the time, non stop and make Obama talk about abortion, all the time.  Every question, no matter the subject, will go back to abortion.

    And the protesters at every Obama rally will have those pictures.  

    Obama will win, but it will drive national media and Obama will be put on the defensive.  Keyes is a fool but an articulate one at times.  He can rough someone up.  Obama I am sure has run into his type before and can handle him.  

    His speech at the convention made my heart soar and I am an old lady in rural Minnesota.  Please, please help Mr. Obama defeat this man with grace, a big heart, and truth.  

    If he gets through this race with his dignity and wins, he and Dr. Dean will have restored my faith in politicians.  

    p.s.  I think John Kerry is growing into his candidacy too.  Saw him talk at one of his rallies and he too is awed by the crowds just like Dean was.  What an awesome responsibility and burden, but also opportunity.

    •  And the answer would be (none)
      Humans for over 2000 thousands years, with higher knowledge than you or I, have debated this, and can't find a solution. Are you so arrogant to think you have answer that Aristotle didn't? That Popes don't? That no one in history has been able to demonstrate that can answer all the ramifications of when life starts, when to call it murder vice a medical condition, how to quickly say a miss-carraige is not a miss-carraige but murder? How arrogant! To think you understand life better than everyone else on the planet for thousands of years.
    •  You are SO right on this! (none)
      They will want Keyes to thump on abortion...because the IL GOP and several IL Dems in the state legislature want to push anti-abortion legislation through.

      I doubt Keyes will hurt Kerry.  He might shave a bit from Obama and distance some folks from Durbin.  But Governor Rod Blagojevich stands to take a lot of heat for being pro-choice.  Keyes will build up support for Henry Hyde and try to knock off progressive support for Cegelis.

      Stop Bush. Just DO it.

      by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:16:36 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Durbin isn't even up for 4 years, (none)
        why would this impact him in any serious way? Or are you saying that Keyes is going to run against Durbin in 4 years?

        As for Iowa and Michigan and Wisconsin, I'd think most people in those states already have their minds made up. The abortion people are never going to support a Democrat. Keyes isn't going to magically make them anti-abortion if they're already anti-abortion.

        But you're right that this will probably really hurt Democrats in Illinois.

      •  If Blagojevich had a position that was so much (none)
        against what many people in Illinois, including state legis. Dems as you claim, how did he win?

        "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

        by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:57:15 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I don't even remember the last time that (none)
          IL had a pro-life governor. George Ryan, Jim Edgar and Jim Thompson were all pro-choice.

          I had no idea that IL was so far to the right. It's frightening. I really worry about 2006.

          •  It's Not, James - Don't Worry (none)
            Folks don't know what they're talking about here. Illinois voting public is still strongly proChoice.

            vote early - vote often

            by wystler on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 03:33:29 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I disagree (none)
              with you there.  Again...Chicago, yes.  Outside of Chicago, there's a big difference.  Clinics offering abortions are not numerous outside of Chicago.  Much of Illinois is rural, and conservative.

              Just ask the Illinois Coalition Against Domestic Violence.  There are plenty of males in Illinois with a strong sense of entitlement to power over a woman and her reproductive capabilities.

              Stop Bush. Just DO it.

              by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 08:56:16 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Also (none)
              why were the top two Repub picks for Senate, Jack Ryan and Jim Oberweiss?

              Both pretty strongly conservative.  Both anti-abortion.

              Stop Bush. Just DO it.

              by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 08:58:08 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  It must have (none)
                been the hardcore Republicans. Ryan was an anti-tax, pro-war, anti-abortion candidate? He sounds like someone who would do well in a GOP primary.

                "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

                by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:27:35 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  GOoPers Who Have Won Statewide (none)
                Peter Fitzgerald: Won against a scandal-plagued CMB ... though the "scandals" didn't hold much, they generated quite a buzz that stuck

                George Ryan: Old-school Illinois pro-biz social moderate

                Jim Thompson: Pro-biz former federal prosecutor, social moderate

                Jim Edgar: Just about as conservative as statewide has gotten ... likely would have lost to Adlai Stevenson III if dems didn't get caught with their pants down and allow a LaRouchie to win the Lt.Gov. primary

                Judy Barr-Topinka: Social moderate who has run away from the far right

                (Jack! Ryan, in the televised primary debates, ran away from Bush on more than a few issues.)

                vote early - vote often

                by wystler on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 01:21:19 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

        •  Blagojevich is Polish (none)
          and there is a large Polish population in Chicago and the burbs.

          Blagojevich is pretty darn cute.  Won partly on good looks.  Also, he took advantage of the Ryan scandal.  (The other Ryan, not Jack...)

          IL Dem chair and House Speaker Mike Madigan has been firing shots into Blagojevich over the past several months.  The GOopers (via Frank Watson) have been taking advantage of that.

          Stop Bush. Just DO it.

          by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 08:48:47 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Please Quit While You're Behind (none)
            Blago is NOT Polish, any more than you are Sri Lankan.

            (not sure off the top of my head whether he's serb or croat ... and there are some folks who that matters to alot ... my apologies to them for my lack of monday morning clarity ... but he's not polish!!!!)

            vote early - vote often

            by wystler on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 01:34:52 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  FWIW (none)
            Blago is Serbian, not Polish.

            Also, I think the notion that he won on his good looks is questionable. He had a superb organization in Southern and Central Illinois, which allowed him to squeak past Vallas in the Primary and romp home in the General against a weak Jim Ryan.

          •  Blagojevich is of Serbian Descent (none)
            "Blagojevich" didn't sound particularly Polish, so I checked this out.  

            Wikipedia Entry

    •  Yep (none)
      I just saw the 10pm news here in Chicago and Keyes' first press conference was all about abortion. Keyes was sweating like Nixon and screaming about abortion and the bill of rights. Judy Baar Topinka, IL GOP empress, introduced him. She's a moderate and I'm sure she'd take about the same amount of pleasure in introducing Genghis Khan or Vlad the Impaler as Keyes.
      •  IMPORTANT: Keyes will impact surrounding states (none)
        Remember, broadcasts out of Chicago will be heard...in Indiana...in Wisconsin...into Iowa...and Michigan.

        WLS AM 890 carries a long way...

        Stop Bush. Just DO it.

        by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:34:52 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  And why will that matter? (none)

          "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

          by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 01:51:48 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Davenport and Dubuque, Iowa (none)
            are places Kerry needs to score big to take Iowa (Dubuque, Quad Cities, Clinton).  Keyes could invigorate the anti-abortion Catholics, and perhaps make moderate-to-conservative Catholics feel guilty about Kerry, in those areas where Bush will need to appear more moderate.  

            Scott County, Iowa (Davenport) is critical in the Iowa Kerry/Bush contest.  As you get away from Chicago and closer to the Mississippi, WLS is what you hear.  Rush, Hannity, etc., loud and clear.  They will play Keyes nonstop.

            Remember, Kerry is Catholic.  Dubuque is heavily Catholic, and strongly anti-abortion.  Keyes can campaign in Eagle Point and shout across the Mississippi.

            Illinois is surrounded by a lot of swing states.  Iowa, Missouri, Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin.  They'll be treated to Keyes anti-abortion speeches via WLS.  Lotta dittoheads there -- not much else to listen to!

            Stop Bush. Just DO it.

            by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 08:43:13 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  I can't imagine (none)
              that anti-abortion people who feel that strongly about it would be any more motivated against Kerry. Nor can I imagine that the rantings of an apparent deranged hypocrital egomaniac is going to have a lot of effect on the races in other states.

              "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

              by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 05:09:09 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

  •  Some things to look for (none)
    I wonder of Hastert, LaHood, Hyde, Crane, Johnson, etc. will campaign with Keyes.

    I wonder if the GOP campaign offices will proudly put Keyes signs in the window.  

    Unfortunately, I don't live in Illinois, so I won't be able to look for these indicators.  I will ask my conservative Christian Republican brother how he will vote.

    Blind faith in bad government is not patriotic.

    by MoDem on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:38:42 PM PDT

  •  And Oberweis wanted the job. (none)
    Very much so, and made no secret of it.  The state GOP never even considered him, even though he finished second to Jack "I'm fucking Jerri Ryan" Ryan.
    Question:  Why does Illinois' Republican party hate democracy so much?

    Another question:  Is it  just my imagination (runnin' away with me,) or are there a lot of Illinoisans on this board?

    That cocaine snorting, drunk driving, felony concealing, execution dealing, election stealing, smirking AWOL fratboy ain't MY president!

    by jazzmaniac on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 11:39:43 PM PDT

  •  Hasert on Keyes (none)
    Earlier today on Meet the Press, Russert asked Hasert to explain Keyes statement on Hillary.  Hasert sputtered for like a minute and a half and made a ridiculous football analogy, that was truly moronic.  (Someone might want to post it.)

    The Daily Herald

    This quote from the Daily Herald is scary:

    "Illinois is not far left and we are not far right," Hastert said. "We are best with somebody who can go across the aisle and get things done back and forth."

    HUH?!  Who is he kidding?!  

    •  His analogy would have made sense, (none)
      if Keyes had lived in Illinois, aka played on the same team. Russert should have come back with "But you don't see the Bears coach run over to the other side of the field and borrow a player in the middle of the game, do you, Speaker Hastert?"

      "What we have here is a form of looting."-Nobel Laureate George Aklerlof, about Bushonomics.

      by bjako on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 01:00:08 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Illinois has 102 counties (none)
    and there are 17 Democratic county party links listed on the Il state Dem party website.

    Stop Bush. Just DO it.

    by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:42:40 AM PDT

    •  The Rural Counties are more backward (none)
      There's alot that's not on the web for Calhoun County. Ditto many of the other rural counties - many have no official county government websites. Therefore, it's not hard to understand why the local parties don't have them ...

      They should ... I agree with that.

      vote early - vote often

      by wystler on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 03:39:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  MONITOR this Illinois Conservative Newspaper (none)
    Here is a link to the The Illinois Leader, the conservative news publication of Illinois:

    http://www.illinoisleader.com/

    Also, here is the link to the Illinois Right to Life Committee:

    http://www.illinoisrighttolife.org/

    Stop Bush. Just DO it.

    by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 12:49:41 AM PDT

  •  In Oklahoma (none)
      We Have

      Durant (pronounced Dew-rant.)

      Miami (pronounced My-Am-A)

    "I distrust who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." -- Susan B. Anthony

    by Mouse85 on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 02:25:12 AM PDT

  •  Keyes Fundraising (none)
    I just looked at what appears to be Keyes' website: http://www.renewamerica.us/

    His fundraising isn't going very well.  So far he's raised a whopping $2,158  

    Those who stand for nothing fall for anything - Alexander Hamilton

    by patagonia on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 02:50:16 AM PDT

  •  And you can share your thoughts with him (none)
    right here:

    http://www.renewamerica.us/news/040803comments.htm

    A great many, I mean a great many negative posts.  Go share your love with the man before they take the page down.

    That cocaine snorting, drunk driving, felony concealing, execution dealing, election stealing, smirking AWOL fratboy ain't MY president!

    by jazzmaniac on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 03:08:17 AM PDT

  •  Illinois Congressional Races Aren't Going Anywhere (none)
    Those things have been agreed on by Hastert and Lipinski long ago.  There are never competitive races in Illinois unless there's an open seat.  No matter what Obama does the congressional delegation isn't changing.  
    •  Lipinski is retiring this year. (none)
      (that seat won't go red, will it?) and Hastert has shown how much he cares about Illinois.

      The voters in those districts have no reason to just shut up and vote as they're told. We may never have a better chance to unseat some incumbents. If the shoe were on the other foot, and the state Dem party was on the verge of collapse, Hastert would not be cordial.

    •  Nonsense (none)
      Hyde has a great challenger this year -- Christine Cegelis, who is raising money and getting out there.  Plus he's old -- 80 -- and in not great health -- so doing the grassroots stuff is hard for him.  And the suburbs are changing.  And his district was redistricted and now has a part of Cook -- which means less people with ties to him.  In the last election his challenger spent only $5000 and STILL got 35% of the vote.  Melissa Bean is putting up a great challenge to Phil Crane as well -- and she had very good numbers last time she ran against him when no one knew who she was.  Tari Renner is putting up a good fight against Jerry Weller.  None of these seats are going to be cakewalks for the Republicans this time: none of them.  Esp. if people stay home who are disgusted with the farce that the IL GOP have played for us this summer.
  •  I bet Judy Baar Topinka is spittin' mad (none)
    at the corner the lunatic fringe of her party painted her into. (I like Judy, always have.) I bet Mr. Topinka and the Topinka cats and dogs and kids and grandkids are all keepin' quiet, under the bed, stayin' out of the way on principle. You know what Jim Edgar's comment on Keye's candidacy was? No comment. He's disgusted too.

    Keyes is going to sink without a trace, taking the state Republican party with him. They're done, done, done for years to come. If some local R has some money and organization of his own, he'll coast along on his own power, but the state party is over.

    Judy's done her damnedest to keep it afloat but it's just not possible. If the lunatic fringe had shut up and listened to her, and run Rauschenberger or one of the other respectable moderate Rs who's been around for a while, the party would have achieved an honorable loss and gone on rebuilding. But no. The fringe has to come up with a nutball, and not just any nutball, but an imported nutball, and worse, an imported nutball who still has campaign debt -- oh, yeah, Judy Baar Topinka's mad as hell and throwing shot glasses.

    No, JamesB3, Illinois isn't the land of the wingers. Relax. It's just that the Illinois R party is so damn demoralized and depressed that the lunatic fringe of that party has weight within that organization beyond its actual influence. And Judy Baar Topinka's so furious she can hardly see straight.

    I bet after Obama's inauguration she announces her retirement. Then she writes a book and calls George Ryan, Scott Fawell, Jack Ryan, and Alan Keyes all the names in print that she couldn't call them in public when she was head of the party. And I'd buy that book, hardback, and ask her to sign it, too.

    •  Another angle (none)
      There's also a theory that the failure of Keyes will give further evidence that a hardcord conservative cannot do well in Illinois, this propelling a moderate like JBT to the GOP nomination for Governor in 2006, which appears to be the real prize people (O'Malley, Rauschenberger) are after.
  •  IL General Assembly distribution by party (none)
    (First two names are state reps; 3rd is state senator)  Legislative map at http://www.state.il.us/state/legis/map.htm

    1st Legislative District
    Mendoza D-Chicago
    Acevedo D-Chicago
    Munoz D-Chicago

    2nd District
    deValle D-Chicago
    Delgago D-Chicago
    Soto D-Chicago

    3rd
    Dunkin D-Chicago
    Bailey D-Chicago
    Hunter D-Chicago

    4th
    Lightford D-Mayfield
    Yarbrough D-Maywood
    Giles D-Chicago

    5
    Turner D-Chicago
    Collins D-Chicago
    Hendon D-Chicago

    6
    Cullerton D-Chicago
    Fritchey D-Chicago
    Feigenholtz D-Chicago

    7
    McKeon D-Chicago
    Osterman D-chicago
    Ronen D-chicago

    8
    Silverstein D-Chicago
    Capparelli D-Chicago
    Lang D-Chicago

    9
    Coulson R-Glenview
    Hamos D-Evanston
    Schoenberg D-Evanston

    10
    DeLeo D-Chicago
    Lyons D-Chicago
    McAuliffe R-Chicago

    11
    Molaro D-Chicago
    Madigan D-Chicago (House Speaker, party chair)
    Viverito D-Burbank

    12
    Sandoval D-Cicero
    Burke D-Chicago
    Aguilar R-Cicero

    13
    Currie D-Chicago
    Jones D-Chicago
    Obama D-Chicago

    14
    Jones D-Chicago (President of Senate)
    Davis D-Chicago
    Rita D-Chicago

    15
    Miller D-Dolton
    Davis D-Harvey
    Meeks D-Calumet City

    16
    Collins D-Chicago
    Flowers D-Chicago
    Morrow D-Chicago

    17
    Colvin D-Chicago
    Howard D-Chicago
    Trotter D-Chicago

    18
    Maloney D-Chicago
    Joice D-Worth
    Brosnahan D-Oak Lawn

    19
    McCarthyD-Orland Park
    Kelly D-Hazel Crest
    Crotty D-Oak Forest

    20
    Martinez D-Chicago
    Berrios D-Chicago
    Bradley D-Chicago

    21
    Biggins R-Elmhurst
    Pihos R-Glen Ellyn
    Cronin R-Lombard

    22
    Rauschenberger R-Elgin
    Munson R-Elgin
    Parke R-Schaumburg

    23
    Pankau R-Bloomingdale
    Daniels R-Addison
    Soden R-Addison

    24
    Dillard R-Westmont
    Bellock R-Westmont
    Meyer R-Naperville

    25
    Schmitz R-Geneva
    Lindner R-Sugar Grove
    Lauzen R-Aurora

    26
    Peterson R-Buffalo Grove
    Sullivan R-Mudelein
    Beaubien R-Wauconda

    27
    Mathias R-Arlington Heights
    Bassi R-Palatine
    Jones R-Palatine

    28
    Wojcik R-Schaumburg
    Millner R-St. Charles
    Froehlich R-Schaumburg

    29
    Nekritz D-Des Plaines
    May D-Highland Park
    Garrett D-Highwood

    30
    Link D-Lake Bluff
    Ryg D-Vernon Hills
    Washington D-Waukegan

    31
    Osmond R-Antioch
    Churchill R-Springfield
    Geo-Karis R-Zion

    32
    Althoff R-Crystal Lake
    Franks D-Woodstock
    Kurtz R-Lake in the Hills

    33
    Mulligan R-Des Plaines
    Krause R-Mount Prospect
    Sullivan R-Mount Prospect

    34
    Syverson R-Rockford
    Jefferson D-Rockford
    Winters R-Rockford

    35
    Wait R-Belvidere
    Wirsing R-DeKalb (deceased)
    Burzynski R-Sycamore

    36
    Jacobs D-Moline
    Boland D-Moline
    Verschoore D-RockIsland

    37
    Leitch R-Peoria
    Moffitt R-Galesburg
    Risinger R-Peoria

    38
    Welch D-Peru
    O'Brien D-Coal City
    Mautino D-Spring Valley

    39
    Saviano R-River Grove
    Graham D-Oak Park
    Harmon D-Oak Park

    40
    Halvorson D-Chicago Heights
    Novak D-Kankakee
    Scully D-Chicago Heights

    41
    Kosel R-Mokena
    Lyons R-LaGrange
    Radogno R-Lemont

    42
    Petka R-Plainfield
    Chapa LaVia D-Aurora
    Cross R-Plainfield

    43
    Hassert R-Romeoville
    McGuire D-Joliet
    Walsh D-Joliet

    44
    Brady R-Bloomington
    Mitchell R-Forsyth
    Brady R-Bloomington

    45
    Sacia R-Freeport
    Mitchell R-Rock Falls
    Sieben R-Geneseo

    46
    Shadid D-Pekin
    Smith D-Canton
    Slone D-Peoria

    47
    Tenhouse R-Quincy
    Myers R-Macomb
    Sullivan D-Quincy

    48
    Roskam R-Wheaton
    Hultgren R-Wheaton
    Dunn R-Naperville

    49
    Watson R-Jacksonville
    Hannig D-Gillespie
    DeMusio D-Carlinville

    50
    Bomke R-Springfield
    Poe R-Springfield
    Brauer R-Springfield

    51
    Flider D-Decatur
    Stephens R-Troy
    Watson R-Greenville (Senate minority leader)

    52
    Winkel R-Urbana
    Jakobsson D-Champaign
    Black R-Danville

    53
    Cultra R-Onarga
    Sommer R-Morton
    Rutherford R-Pontiac

    54
    Jones R-Mt. Vernon
    Granberg D-Centralia
    Grunloh D-Effingham

    55
    Eddy R-Hutsonville
    Rose R-Charleston
    Righter R-Mattoon

    56
    Haine D-Alton
    Davis D-East Alton
    Hoffman D-Collinsveille

    57
    Hollbrook D-Belleville
    Younge D-East St. Louis
    Clayborne D-East St. Louis

    58
    Luechtefeld R-Okawville
    Bost R-Carbondale
    Reitz D-Sparta

    59
    Forby D-Benton
    Phelps D-Harrisburg
    Woolard D-Carterville

    Stop Bush. Just DO it.

    by Daemmern on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 09:42:17 AM PDT

  •  tiny irritant (none)
    I just happened to catch a glance of Keyes campaign signs. Out of the corner of my eye they looked like kerry/edwards signs.
  •  12,653,544 (none)
    people in Illinois and the IL-GOP had to go all the way to Maryland to find a candidate worthy of their nomination?

    "Bring it on." - John Kerry, to the Shrub

    by sharad55 on Mon Aug 09, 2004 at 01:09:44 PM PDT

    •  Canaries in the coalmine (none)
      Have you ever noticed that when a company is in trouble it is usually the big money guys who bail out first?  Its the CEO's and CFO's who suddenly, despite their huge salaries and perq's decide to suddenly "Pursue other activities?"  Such is the case of the Illinois Republicans. No smart state GOPer is going to run knowing the state of the party currently.  It seems that everyone here has forgotten that former Gov. George Ryan goes on trial next year, prosecuted by Patrick Kennedy, the fallout of which at this point is incalculable(but if I knew I had Patrick Kennedy on my ass I'd be looking for a nice home in Switzerland.) Keyes was picked as a surrogate and will indeed move back to Maryland in November. I kinda feel sorry for the guy. He just wanted to  boost his visability so that he could keep his radio gig, I hardly think that he thought that they would pick him! Until the Ryan trial blows over you're not going to see a whole lot of bluster from the current stock of state Gop'erz.

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