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Humbled and heartfelt, I assure you, I need to thank the multitude of people who were immeasurably helpful in innumerable ways as I journeyed to NYC this past week. I arrived home safely only moments ago, and thought of little else as I traveled. As I ran the long list of kossacks (and the many other bloggers in New York last week), teh folks at the Tank, candidates, progressive organizations, protesters, regular New Yorkers and more than a few NYPD through my mind today, I realized I could never hope to name them all. You know who you are. (This would have been a diary, but I wanted to make sure you all saw it. If you don't like it, tough shit.)

If the convention illustrated anything to me it was the deep divide that tears the landscape between Americans. We all know this. We've seen it a million times for many years. We discuss it incessantly. The hatred and fear-mongering displayed by the other side as they co-opt the great American tragedy of our lifetimes in order to propel their own dangerous and misguided agenda is both awesome and frightening. We can't let them win, and we won't, because while they desire power, we desire freedom. Our forefathers had the incredible foresight to put a system in place that will see these people undone, Pier 57 or no Pier 57.

Anyway, I'm gonna go get my daughter now, and I'm going to give her a big hug, a "New York Princess" tee shirt, and a snow globe with Miss Liberty inside.

GOTV

Originally posted to theoria on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 07:27 PM PDT.

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  •  Video of RNC delegate kicking protestor (none)
    ABCNY has video of an RNC delegate kicking a protestor while she was on the ground inside the convention.  That's battery anyway you define it.
  •  Glad you made it back in safely (none)
    Thanks for your part in all this.

    "I wish I had a baseball bat the size of Rhode Island so I could beat the s*** out of this stupid planet!" - Cheese, of Milk and Cheese.

    by Jank2112 on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 07:30:18 PM PDT

  •  Welcome home (none)
    Thank you very much for everything you did for all of us who couldn't be there in person.

    Please give your daughter an extra hug and tell her it's from "Daddy's friends", OK?

  •  Fantastic coverage (4.00)
    It truly was a stand out.  

    I would pick you to throw the ring into Mt Doom anytime.

    <"Do not seek the treasure!" >

    by moon in the house of moe on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 07:37:30 PM PDT

  •  Call To Arms (none)
    Theoria - What a wonderful post!  Inspiring to say the least, and a real call to arms.  But not the arms of war, but rather the arms of loving support and optimism as we move forward with renewed determination in the next two months.

    I have letters to write to Arizona seniors tonight...

    If you think Bush really is (he is!) the worst president ever, go to www.worstpresidentever.us and spread the word.

    by Long Haul on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 07:40:26 PM PDT

    •  A Call to Arms........ (none)
      ...what a great context you put on this....and an idea for Kerry that can thematically lift him this last go round..." a Call to Arms - Arm our Nation with:
      information - to deal with health care and how to improve it
      courage - to provide a solution for Iraq and other challenges to our safety...
      fellowship and community - with all Americans and the world - we are a powerful nation - no one wants that power diminished.  We advocate both the soft power of persuasion and diplomacy and the hard power of military and economic might when necessary - but we also have the power of
      compassion and mercy - we will not use our military or economic power to abuse the rights of others or cause injustice in the world.  

      You got it right Theoria - we DO need a Call to Arms!!!!

  •  1 afternoon, 5 letters (times 20 or 25) (4.00)
    A few weeks ago I promised myself that as soon as I was moved into my new apartment, I'd start doing some volunteering.  So on friday I wiped the sweat off my brow from hanging blinds, looked at my apartment, said "it looks like a grownup lives here," and went to the ACT website and signed up for a letter-writing party this afternoon.

    It was at the home of a very nice woman in Philadelphia, and at least 20, maybe as many as 30, people came and each wrote 4 or 5 letters to unregistered women in Pennsylvania and North Carolina.  Each handwritten letter included voter registration forms and a stamped envelope addressed to their county's registrar of voters.  I have no idea what kind of results this will get, but it seems like a cheap, creative way to contact people.  Who knows, maybe my crappy handwriting will convince someone I'm sincere?

    So one afternoon down, hopefully many to go.  Does anyone know how to get in touch with ACT's Philadelphia office?  My emails to them keep bouncing back.

    •  Try ACORN - it's a Philly org doing GOTV (none)
      here's the number:

      215 765 0042

      They're doing GOTV starting next weekend (9/11 -9/12).

      Call them and win PA!!

      George Bush prancing on the aircraft carrier: One of America's worst moments

      by grushka on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 07:57:57 PM PDT

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      •  probably not, but thanks (none)
        I know too many people who have had bad experiences with ACORN -- piss-poor organizing, treating their employees badly, etc.  So while the fact that messages sent to the 2 email addresses listed for Philadelphia on the ACT website are bouncing back isn't a great sign, I'm still going to try them before I try ACORN.  But thanks for the suggestion.
  •  OK, enough with the warm fuzzy gushy stuff (none)
    I've been trying to figure out why Bush is rated so high in fighting the war on terror in polls. He gets low ratings for fighting the war in Iraq, but gets higher scores than Kerry for fighting the war on terror and keeping the country safe.

    I'm serious now. I know we can criticize all of the mistakes Bush has made. That's easy. What I'm wondering is what the American electorate is seeing or is being told that makes them think Bush has been successful in the war on terror. Aside from Iraq I can't name a single thing he has done and I am not aware of any accomplishment he can claim aside from Afghanistan and Iraq. Is it really as simple as the illusion of "a strong resolute commander in chief"?

    If we can identify where the perception in the polls is coming from maybe we can help Kerry combat that perception. You can't identify a solution until you define the problem. What in the heck accounts for the discrepancy between Bush's low numbers on Iraq and his high numbers on fighting terrorism?

    •  It's really a gut thing (none)
      Same reason Russians 'like' Putin: he looks strong and he's brutal on their behalf.

      This is sub-rational, it's tribal, it's genetic.

      This is deep stuff, and I'm not sure how to defeat it except by actually ridiculing Bush.

      "My Pet Goat" and the fear on his face on 9/11 should be our mantra. "Our" meaning the little people on the Internet, in bars, to our friends.

      We (the little people) also need to be good soldiers in the ground war to simply register dems and get them to the polls.

      George Bush prancing on the aircraft carrier: One of America's worst moments

      by grushka on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:00:36 PM PDT

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      •  it is deep (none)
        and hard to combat. Bush appeals to our worst lord-o-flies instincts. All an opponent can do is have clear simple language to explain why Bush is avoiding the war on terror, not fighting it. -and his foolish invasions only make matters worse.

        Ridicule should be done by others. Kerry has to bring out the best in America by making us turn down fear-based tribalism, and look at our enlightened self-interest.

        This is a tough one. But then again, that's why I was for Clark!

        All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

        by SeanF on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 12:46:08 AM PDT

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    •  It's the fear (none)
      I think a big part of it is simply fear--people are concerned about terrorism and they're not comfortable enough yet with Kerry to want to trust him.  Kind of the "better the devil you know" syndrome.

      A major contributor is the fact that most US voters don't know anything about Senators except (in some cases) their own.  I knew about Kerry because I'm a hardcore political junkie, as I'm guessing a lot of the other people here are.  But for many Americans they've either never heard of Kerry or think he's the Senator from Nebraska (Robert K.) who lost a leg in Viet Nam.  

      Take terrorism out of the equation and I bet Kerry would have easily reached the "comfort threshold" for more voters by now.

    •  I think people feel (none)
      that Bush is so trigger-happy that he will lay our enemies to waste even if it is just due to a stray bullet that he hits an actual enemy.

      Seriously. They would rather have 10 false positives than one false negative, so to speak. After all, he isn't shooting at us (this is where it gets really dicey, of course).

      •  A function of rationalizing syllogisms. (none)
        Terrorists attack weakness.
        We have not been attacked since 9/11.
        Therefore, we are not exhibiting weakness.

        Yeah, it's 8th grade logic. But hey, USA today is written on a 6th grade level for a reason.

        Also, it's tough to refute. If we say "they're just patient" then we're either defeatist, fearmongering, or worse.

        Even though it's almost certainly correct.

        Those against politics are in favor of the politics inflicted upon them. Bertolt Brecht

        by akapensensei on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:26:20 PM PDT

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        •  It was provocation not terror (none)

          A function of rationalizing syllogisms.. . . Terrorists attack weakness.

          We have not been attacked since 9/11.

          Therefore, we are not exhibiting weakness.

          The problem with this is it accepts the idea that 9/11 was "terrorism".   But in fact it was an act of provocation.   The lack of a follow-up proves it.  If it had been intended as terror we would be overdue for more.  But since it was really a provocation designed to plunge us into war with the Islamic world and since it has succeeded beyond all reasonable expectations there is no need for a follow-up.  Does anyone believe that if al Qaeda really wanted to blow something up in the US it could not?


      •  Super Bushman (none)
        Voters seem to instinctively attribute the Republican Party with "strong on defense."  I'm not sure where this comes from.  I mean, Wilson, a Democrat, entered WWI against the vehement opposition of Republican isolationists.  Roosevelt, a Democrat, entered WWII also opposed by Republican (and proto-fascistic, in my opinion) isolationists.  Then the Cold War started, but even there, it was Truman, a Democrat, who entered Korea. (He also dropped 2 nukes on Japan, in case people have forgotten.) And it was a Republican president who warned Americans about the military-industrial complex.  Imagine if a Democratic president, in that political climate, had said those words?  He'd been tried for treason as a communist!

        I'm guessing it was that period between 1952-1964, with McCarthy on one end and Goldwater on the other, that somehow convinced the nation that Democrats (the party in perpetual power, seemingly) were soft on the Commies.  Maybe it was Kennedy's botched Bay of Pigs invasion?  By that time, the crazy radical right seems to have already coalesced around a hatred for Kennedy and the Democrats even though Vietnam (a Democratic war) was right around the corner.

        It's a question that's always befuddled me about America during the Cold War.  Here we have Democratic president after Democratic president (with a Democratic congress in tow) prosecuting war after war, instigating coup after coup, using the CIA to bust nationalist organizations and labor based movements in third world countries, and yet, the CW seems to be that only a Republican president (Nixon) had the political cachet to visit Beijing and Moscow.

        I realize Republicans ran elections throughout the 50s and 60s accusing Democratic candidates of being soft on communism (and thus weak on defense), but how much more could the Democrats have done to fight communism?!?  Nuke the world?

        •  Hmm, it was those damn hippies (none)
          Doh, I forgot about the counter-culture and the anti-Vietnam War movement.

          I think Clinton himself said this once, that our current political landscape is still being shaped by the divisions which arose during the 1960s.

          Hmm, so that means the CW in America that the Democrats are weak on defense and the Republicans strong is only about 40 years old.  Man, Americans really do have short memories.  Just because some hippies danced naked in People's Park, the public forgets the 2 World Wars and the 2 Police Actions Democratic Presidents have waged during the 20th century.

          •  Kerry and the Cold War (none)
            I've been thinking along the same lines brandex.
            I've been visiting some right wing sites lately to achieve enlightenment. For example Norman Podhoretz has an amazing pro-Iraq screed here:
            linked text
            titled "World War IV: How It Started, What It Means, and Why We Have to Win". Among other things Podhoretz accuses Brent Skowcroft of providing "aid and comfort to the hard left" for his pre-war editorial in the Wall Street Journal.

            Among other historical revisionisms Podhoretz indulge in is ignoring the bitter criticism they lambasted Ronald Reagan with for negotiating with the Soviets. If Ronald Reagan is a dove and Brent Skowcroft is a red diaper doper baby you can count me in too. It's time for Ashcroft to isolate everybody in the blue states in one of Michelle Malkin's concentration camps.

            Norman Podhoretz wrote a similar screed titled "Why We Were In Vietnam". We would have won Vietnam if it wasn't for John Kerry, Jane Fonda and the liberal media. This is about more than John Kerry. It is about rehabilitating the idea of a "noble war" to defend democracy. The noble goals of World War II and a middle east Manifest Destiny are the real script the Neo-Conservatives are trying to write. These guys are operating in an ideological and metaphysical Disneyland that barely intersects with the real world.

            I don't think we can argue with them on their own terms. We have to set the terms of the debate with their own weapons. I've been suggesting using Chris Matthews idea of running a 15 second clip from "Farenhiet 911" of Bush telling his "have more" contributors "I call you my base."  

            I think another clip from Moore's movie might work here. The one where Wolfowitz spits on his comb and when his mouth gets dry has his assistant spit on his comb before he runs it through his hair. We have to ridicule the "genius" who is the Neo-Con brainchild. Turn him and indirectly his policy into the sad, pathetic joke that it is.

            I'm reading an amazingly vicious critique of Neo-Conservative foreign policy by a couple of CATO Institute types. It's called "America Alone" and it crucifies the neo-cons and exposes the vast right wing conspiracy that they used to dominate the media message on Iraq.

            •  yes, and I hope they are reading (none)

              I already posted this once below , but it applies directly to your ideas

              Ohhhh, we are getting warmer aren't we!??
              I just caught rumbles of this out and about in the blogs, and it struck me ...the one thing we have done a lousy job of ...showing how GW fails both US as a progressive body and THEM as a conservative . Charts and graphs are good , and people who watch Fox can understand graphics with small words ( intentionally snide , but not shrill) .Rather than Yes I am No I'm Not bickering , illustrate often , like the chant " Miserable Failure" , hammer home the points that reveal Bush is neither a friend of the planet , your safety , or his base. He serves the smallest and most vocally incorrect minority in political history (as I think there were more co-conspirators in the hijacking of the Reichstag), but he is dead wrong on most matters. This is not a matter of defeating him by winning people into Progressivism, that can only win though long term successes, this is about how Bush sucks for everyone, on everything .This is about acknowledging that some conservatives have good points and that together we form a yin/ yang ,. But that Bush occurs outside both ideology, and is in this instant a well chameleonic 3rd variable no-one signed on for .Not a conservative, and not a progressive, not clever enough to be a real fascist, nor sufficiently politic to be a decent Nazi. None of the above  

              He needs to be sandwiched in-between the left and the right and ejected like a pimple core. He needs to be exposed for betraying all the political intents of both parties and the neo-cons equally discredited.

        •  I'm thinking (none)
          it had something to do with George McGovern.

          "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

          by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 09:26:39 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Started before 1952-54 (none)
          First you had FDR, who of course was often called a socialist, though popular one at that.  This was before socialist was a naughty word.

          Then you had the Nazi invasion of the Soviets, which a lot of people thought was a good thing, so much so, that FDR had to keep his support of the war against the Nazis something of a secret.

          Then you had Churchill during the days of the alliance stomping around insinuating that Roosevelt was too close to Stalin.

          Then you had officers like Patton running around saying we should be heading for Moscow, and being removed or demoted from their command.

          Then you had the USSR developing the hydrogen bomb, and our "losing" China, with plenty of Congressmen like Richard Nixon suggesting that it was the work of Commies in the State Department.

          Then you had the country involved in a deadly Asian land war and old soldiers like MacArthur running around saying the President was refusing to win the war.  A lot of Republicans at the time were disappointed that the party chose Ike over MacArthur, and I've heard Ike, who had been Independent, was courted by both parties but became a Republican to end the Korean War because he knew that it would be politically impossible as a Democrat.

    •  One reason... (none)
      ...this time around at least, is that Kerry hasn't really challenged Bush's record on national security. And there's a lot there to challenge, too.

      Bush is more vulnerable on this issue than any Republican president in recent memory, or since this perception of republican dominance in this issue arose (whenever that was and however faulty the misconception in many cases). If Kerry exploits this vulnerability, it may effectively kill the meme in future races.

      Is anyone getting through to the campaign with a suggestion that Kerry attacks Bush's record on national security? I've wrote them once (well, as a reply to one of their mass e-mailings), and never heard back. But I think that's where they need to go. At the very least, a 527 should go after this relentlessly. Again though, I wrote MoveOn.org and never heard back.

      Anyone got good "inside" e-mail addresses?

      See the glory of the royal scam

      by Alioth on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 11:42:00 PM PDT

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      •  Wanted to add this to line in above post (none)
        "If Kerry exploits this vulnerability, it may effectively kill the meme in future races." Not to mention it will undermine Bush's last perceived strength. If we can get people to lose that perception, the Bush campaign has NOTHING left. I would think that has to be so obvious to any campaign strategist worth anything that I'm baffled they aren't going that route, especially after an RNC convention spent so much time emphasizing this issue and attacked Kerry on his supposed "weaknesses" therein.

        Can anybody give me a reason why they SHOULDN'T go there?

        See the glory of the royal scam

        by Alioth on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 11:48:48 PM PDT

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  •  Glad you made it home safely... (none)
    ...and thanks for keeping us updated.

    BTW, I think you came up with another nice slogan in your post which could be used when discussing what differentiates Republicans and Democrats ATM:

    They desire power, we desire freedom.
    I think that would be a great meme to push, alongside the Bush is a miserable failure!

    So when the media asks a Dem why Bush must go, we know to state because Bush is miserable failure! When they ask what's the difference during this "war" we are fighting, it's because, they desire power, we desire freedom. If we give in to the agenda being pushed by Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft, the terrorists will have won, since their ultimate goal is to destroy our freedom (According to George Bush). Why does George Bush want to help them do that?

    Do not adjust your mind, it's reality that is malfunctioning.

    by Alumbrados on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 07:58:34 PM PDT

  •  welcome back (none)
    to the west...

    Thanks for going to NYC.

  •  Thanks for going (none)
    I was sorry I couldn't be there.
  •  asdf (none)
    Thanks for your hard work.  It was nice meeting you.
  •  I take it then (none)
    ...this is your way of saying the RNC didn't play well in Theoria?

    I am not part of your nutritious breakfast--I am a Free Man!!

    by AdmiralNaismith on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:05:01 PM PDT

  •  Glad you made it home safe. (none)
    Didn't know you had a daughter.  Sounds like you got her something she will treasure... a living example of democracy in action from her Daddy.  Right now she might like the goodies more but in years to come she will tell others she has a really cool Dad.

    The ...Bushies... don't make policies to deal with problems. ...It's all about how can we spin what's happening out there to do what we want to do. Krugman

    by mikepridmore on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:09:35 PM PDT

    •  What is most astounding (none)
      Is that "Generally accurate  41%" about the Swift Boat ads. People with ZERO access to any real evidence whatsoever one way or the other  are declaring political propaganda "accurate."
      This election, among other things, will clearly show whether critical thinking is alive and well in the USofA or not. If not, time to:
      A) Move to Canada
      B) If you plan to stay here and tough it out:
      Buy the AR-15, the 12-gauge, the Glock, and plenty of ammo now, before they wake up to the fact that the NRA is not the only group in the country that might want to buy weaponry -- but especially buy before they come for you.
      I have spoken.
  •  Go Vote (4.00)
    Online Newsweek Poll

    Go Vote

    Poll

  •  The pleasure was all ours. (none)
    I was looking forward to meeting Theoria and Kos more than anything else all week.  What a horrible week for us New Yorkers!  It was all I could do to be civil to the big-headed republican invaders and not get swept up in that orange netting.  Yikes!

    By Thursday, my patience and civility were gone.  Just gone.  

    That evening after work I finally found the Tank.  What a joy.  I met DirtGirl, Wilfredo, Pontificator, Theoria, and loads of others from here and other blogs.  I think I'll always remember watching Bush's speech, which I couldn't really hear because we were all busy screaming "LIAR" and "BULLSHIT" and ... much funnier things at the tv.  Someone put a dunce cap on the tv set itself and we roared.  Julia from Sysiphus Shrugged thought his nose should be growing by the foot during that speech.  She's right.

    But what an interesting thing this blog is.  People meeting each other from across the country, having a beer and a good belly laugh to witness a horrible moment.  Kindered spirits.  New friends.  What did we do before group blogs?  Scream at the tv alone, I guess.  I sure did.

    I never met Kos that night--he was reportedly inside the Tank blogging away.  I'm sure he was, but I never found him to say hello.  I did, however, get a glimpse of Atrios, which made me very, very happy.  

    Theoria, we miss you already man.  Sniff.

  •  Investigate My Medals (none)
    Ideas, input, research needed here.
  •  Republican means (none)
    a) It's great that things went well for you in New York. Obviously, hope your investment of love and time pays off in November.

    b) I think the important thing to keep in mind is that, really, there's nothing so terrible about being even a very conservative Republican. The fundamental problem that should worry Americans of every political viewpoint is the methods Bush's people are using to keep Bush in power.

    Say there's a member of Congress out there who supports the war in Iraq, opposes the Kyoto global warming pact and opposes gay civil unions.
    I think all of those views are foolish, but that person might think my views are foolish. That's democracy. With a little goodwill, we can come to some kind of useful compromise and crawl forward.

    Unfortunately, the Bush people seem to be using fear of terrorism and hunger for public order to justify all kinds of violations of constitutional rights and internationally recognized human rights. Today, his people may be exercising some restraint, but there is no guarantee they will exercise restraint tomorrow. We now have a government of men, not of laws.

  •  it was great meeting you brother (none)
    hey - glad to hear you made it home safely.  it sounds like you had the same reaction to the police state of new york that i did.  make sure to take a few days to process it all - i know i'm still going through those motions...

    anyway - thanks for coming out to the tank.  it was great to meet you - hope to see you on jerry's inauguration day.

    "Democrats: Always standing up for what they later realise they should have believed in." -Jon Stewart, the Daily Show

    by anna on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:18:17 PM PDT

  •  Gloves off? (none)
    I've been phone banking for JFK, mostly GOTV stuff and voter ID. When someone says they're for the Chimp, we mark 'em bad and move on.

    But I keep thinking that what I really should be doing is noting the numbers of these enlightened citizens and following up later. You know, just as a private citizen. With a push-poll.

    "If you knew that while serving as Governor of Texas, George W. Bush committed a born-again Christian to death, then mocked her pleas for mercy, would this make you more or less likely to vote for him?"

    "If you knew that while he was living in Texas, George W. Bush arranged for an abortion for his unmarried girlfriend, would this make you more or less likely to vote for him?"

    and so on. These are just the two I can think of off the top of my head.

    I haven't done it so far... but I can't help but think that my evil twin who wants the Chimp to win wouldn't be wrestling with the decision.

    Thoughts?

    DMt

    •  In what state do you live? (none)

      "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

      by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:24:33 PM PDT

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      •  Doesn't really matter. (none)
        I phone bank for any swing state that works for my schedule. The scripts are pretty similar.

        Note also that I have not done this, am not recommending it, and am just Whistling Past The Graveyard. Here, listen to me whistle.

        DMt

        •  Which states (none)
          have you done? And can you give me some details about what you have heard and learned?

          "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

          by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:35:11 PM PDT

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          •  I don't think you're getting this. (none)
            I'm phone banked for NV, OH and MI. I have not push-polled for any. Those questions are ones that I just wrote.

            I'm curious to see what people here think of the tactic, and if you're ready to contribute to my new 527, Swift Push Pollsters for Truth and Republican Vote Suppression. (Admittedly, a very long URL.)

            But seriously folks... I haven't done this because I think

            1. the election is too far away for this kind of tactic,

            2. the SCLM would be all too happy to find and prosecute any push-polling for JFK, all while ignoring any similar work for the Chimp, and

            3. we use our own cell phones for phone banking, and I'd rather not have irate GOoPers calling me back to tell me how nothing Shrub has ever done that was bad is a problem, since God's on His side.

            But things can change.

            DMt

            •  According to Susan (none)
              Estrich, things could very well be "ugly" between now and November.

              "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

              by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 09:11:20 PM PDT

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            •  I'm amused anyway (none)
              I'm not sure it's a good idea, but thinking about it makes me giggle.  BTW, in most places, if you dial *67 before you dial, your number is blocked on people's caller ID.  Just in case it was relevant for you to know that.
              •  Yes, but... (none)
                there's a large number (perhaps up to a third) of numbers that don't accept calls from numbers that use caller ID blocking.

                File this under the "Things you don't know until you volunteer" file, along with the excuse that many Dems won't take yard signs because they're afraid that their GOoPer neighbors will shoot them. I like to think this is melodrama, but, er, um, maybe not.

                DMt

                •  melodrama? (none)
                  Nearby Southern Oregon newspaper says they've been having signs stolen already!

                  (but there are such claims from both sides apparently...)

                  •  and bumper stickers too (none)
                    My mother has a large "Bush lied, thousands died" bumpersticker on her back window.  After dinner she went back to her car and most of the bumper sticker had been peeled off her car.

                    She will probably be keyed and have eggs thrown at her before the election.

                    We, of course, live in the highly enlightened bastion of right wing republicans in West Michigan.

                    Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. Martin Luther King Jr. 1963

                    by Mlle L on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 04:07:33 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

                •  wow (none)
                  I knew some phones had that, but I didn't know it was that many.  What is wrong with people today, that they are so suspicious and unwilling to make it easier for us to push-poll them anonymously?
                  •  Miss Laura, meet Miss Manners (none)
                    I don't want to sound prissy, but standard phone etiquette is to ask for the party you want to talk to, and then once connected immediately identify yourself and explain why you are calling.  You have exactly no right to call anyone anonymously.

                    I'll occassionally get calls where the caller asks "Who am I speaking to?".  My universal response: "You called me, I didn't call you".

                    •  Bruce Webb, meet sarcasm (none)
                      As in, that last question was intended as...sarcasm.  And since the (largely tongue-in-cheek, at least on my part) discussion was about unauthorized and frankly dubious push-polling, manners are hardly at issue in any case.

                      Although in point of fact, if you're calling to do a poll or survey you may well find yourself asking for a specific member of the household -- for instance doing a survey on employment for an academic research project, we had to ask for the member of the household over 18 years old who had most recently had a birthday, in order to get the most random possible sample within households.

    •  Bush hater (none)
      I didn't have a strong opinion on Bush until I read (in the "NYRB") about his mocking of Karla Fay Tucker.  I instantly became a Bush-hater.  He is a sadistic monster with no regard for human life.  My view has been bolstered by the cowardly worm's lack of concern for the deaths/woundings of thousands of Iraqis and American soldiers.  I admit to having harped on this for weeks here on Kos but:  What has the princeling achieved in Iraq other than securing Saddam's pistol as an Oval Office desk ornament?

      I'd love to see (the gorgeous, choirboy-looking) John Edwards deal with this "character" issue....  

      Never underestimate the destructive power of a ruling clique that's painted itself into a corner.

      by clarkista on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 01:14:27 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Is anyone here an economist or a graduate (none)
    student in economics?

    I'm not asking to try to start a fight. I'm merely curious.

    "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

    by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:23:51 PM PDT

  •  Wrong Track (none)
    Kerry Enlisting Clinton Aides in Effort to Refocus Campaign

    "It's very simple," Mr. Johnson said in interview yesterday, describing what he said would be the template for Mr. Kerry's speeches and advertisements in the weeks ahead. "It's: 'Bush has taken us in the wrong direction. If you want more of the same for the next four years, vote for President Bush. If you want a new direction, John Kerry and John Edwards.' It's not complicated. Failed policies, jobs and the economy, health care."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/06/politics/campaign/06kerry.html?hp

    •  Why is that bad? (none)

      "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

      by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:39:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Yup (none)
      This why I supported Kerry after Iowa. He has demonstrated the ability, in all of his campaigns, to make the necessary adjustments when needed. He is the very antithesis of Bush, who picks a direction, right or wrong, and sticks to it. For Kerry, if something isn't working, he does something about it. I fully expect Kerry to take control of this election.

      Personally, I've signed up to go to Virginia and Pennsylvania to register voters.


      "It is a common delusion that you make things better by talking about them." - Dame Rose Macaulay

      by Zackpunk on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:40:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I still wish (none)
        they'd stop telling people to vote for Bush, at all!  LOL.  I understand setting up the differences between the two candidates, but it just makes me uneasy.  I can't explain why.  Maybe it's just the paranoia of this particular election.  
    •  Carville (none)
      "Among the better-known former Clinton aides who are expected to play an increasingly prominent role are James Carville, Paul Begala and Stanley Greenberg, campaign aides said."

      Do you think they never asked him before?  I always figured they asked but he didn't want to, have the time, was committed elsewhere, or something.

      Now I think I might know why Carville did not do that great a job for us earlier in the year on the talk shows.  He was really not trying.  Possibly because they didn't ask him to help.

      Unbelievable if true.

  •  New Kerry ad (none)
    Kerry attacks Bush on Medicare, using footage from his RNC speech. I like it.


    "It is a common delusion that you make things better by talking about them." - Dame Rose Macaulay

    by Zackpunk on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:32:13 PM PDT

  •  Welcome Home (none)
    We can't let them win, and we won't, because while they desire power, we desire freedom.

    Every time I think of GW calling others "freedom haters" I think that's a perfect description of today's Republican Party.  Anyway, thanks for all your hard work and thank God you didn't get caught in the orange nets.  I send you a big virtual hug and appreciation for a job well done.

    •  precisely (none)
      Wasn't Patrick J. Buchanan who recently said "It's not like Osama Bin Laden was sitting in a cave somewhere, read the bill of rights, and went crazy." (or something to that effect.)

      whenever i hear "freedom haters" i think of the list of some hated freedoms:

      • hatred of the freedom of a woman to exert (legally and constitutionally-sanctioned) control her own body.
      • hatred of the freedom to form love-based relationships, and form legal contracts between those partners.
      • hatred of the freedom to keep our churches and religions uncorrupted by government intrusion, and vice-versa.
      • hatred of the freedom to vigorously, loudly, and peacefully protest, petition, and dissent with our leaders.

      Who are these people who actually DO hate the freedoms included in the basis of American society and for which are soldiers and leaders are pleged to defend?
      Yes, the religious right.

      America began begins with freedom from King George's empire.

      by bribri on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 09:23:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Question about Clinton in 1992 (none)
    How did Clinton approach the subject of free trade in ads in 1992?

    "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

    by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:44:30 PM PDT

    •  DID HE?! (none)
      I'm not sure he needed to. He was neatly positioned. Already triangulating.

      Clinton had Bush to one side of him - pro-NAFTA - and Perot (resonating strongly)(a great help to Clinton) to the other side of him - anti-NAFTA - scarifying the peeps with the "giant sucking noise".

      Search for NAFTA in this transcript for their three positions in the 1992 debates.

      Buchanan was also doing his own share of scarifying.

      Of course Clinton then went on to sign a NAFTA Act in 1993 which was closer to Bush's position than to Perot's or Buchanan's.

  •  Heartfelt thanks (none)
    Your essay brought tears to these eyes.  
  •  Shameless Bush campaign lie (none)
    From the Bush Convention Speech, Thursday Sept. 2nd:

    "I believe we have a moral responsibility to honor America's seniors so I brought Republicans and Democrats together to strengthen Medicare. Now seniors are getting immediate help buying medicine."

    From AP
    News
    Friday, Sept. 4th:

    Medicare Costs to Rise Record 17 Percent

    WASHINGTON -- Medicare premiums for doctor visits are going up a record $11.60 a month next
    year. The Bush administration says the increase reflects a strengthened Medicare, while Democrats complain that seniors are being unfairly
    socked.


    Monthly payments for Part B of the government health care program for older and disabled Americans -- doctor visits and most other non-hospital expenses -- will jump to $78.20 from $66.60, a 17 percent increase, the
    administration said Friday.

    •  Isn't there (none)
      anything to the claim that this was used to help offset rising costs? Granted, the new prescription drug bill was also part of the problem.

      "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

      by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 09:34:16 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Screwing seniors for votes (none)
        "Isn't there anything to the claim that this was used to help offset rising costs?"

        Yes, as usual Dubya saddled those least able to afford it with the costs so he could pay for tax giveaways to his wealthy cronies. Note too that he issued the announcement about this increase on Friday evening so the press would mostly ignore it.

        Do you think a 17% increase was reflective of his claim to be helping the seniors the day before? Do you think that was honest, or honorable? Or is just any fig leaf loophole good enough for you?

        •  Jesus Christ (2.50)
          I was asking if you thought there was any way some of this was unavoidable. A program that helps many, Medicare, as you know, is costly, and its impending crisis is going to come much sooner than that of Social Security. So I wondered if the administration was merely trying to do something to help the program's solvency. I did note that the Medicare drug bill created a problem.

          I think the way he went about is pathetic, but typical.

          I WAS NOT TROLLING FOR BUSH OR CHENEY.

          "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

          by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 10:01:08 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  It doesn't matter. (none)
        It targets a vulnerable group to help drug companies. For some seniors Medicare is a matter of life and death.

        But, to be crass, even if Bush had a good reason for it, it's a campaign goldmine for Kerry. Seniors vote. Seniors do not want people screwing around with medicare.

        •  Hey, (3.00)
          I did note that the drug bill created a problem. I was just wondering if there were cost problems beyond Bush's control.

          And yes, it is a goldmine for Kerry. Even if he is a little unfair to Bush - and I am NOT saying that he is being unfair to Bush - I don't care, considering some of the shit that they've pulled.

          "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

          by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 10:03:20 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Exactly (none)
            IF it's a little unfair, too fucking bad.
            •  Are you implying (none)
              something by that all-caps "if"?

              "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

              by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 10:26:00 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  yeah. (none)
                We didn't determine that is was an unfair attack did we? You just asked the question if Bush might have a valid reason -- I didn't think we had determined that he did. I have no idea. So that's why I emphasized the if, because I'm not sure it is unfair at all. And I tend to think it's not, because that's a really big jump and the drug thing has to be part of it. Not that, you know, I know or anything.
                •  Jesus Christ (none)
                  I explicity said that I wasn't saying it was unfair to Bush.

                  "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

                  by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 10:35:01 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  then I was more kind to Bush than you. (none)
                    I'm not exactly sure why you're jumping all over me when I agreed with you and gave you a four.
                    •  I'm sorry (none)
                      My attention is in six different places. I wasn't reading that carefully enough.

                      "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

                      by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 10:46:57 PM PDT

                      [ Parent ]

                        •  ZoBai? (none)
                          Bullshit detector on for this one, please.  H/she has a cute little habit off saying something and then when called on it, says "I didn't mean THAT" or "You KNOW what I mean." or "Sorry, i wan't more clear."  Either this one has a serious problem communicating or something else is going on.

                          It's just one long constant "Oops"

                          Last night Prog mid said "Kerry shouldn't act like a lunatic ALL THE TIME." (Emphasis mine)

                          Then whined when called on it.

                          Just so you know.

                          You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.

                          by mattman on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 03:58:03 AM PDT

                          [ Parent ]

  •  Thank you (none)
    Thank you for coming to New York and doing such a good job covering the RNC convention.
    Scott
    NYC, NY

    When even one American--who has done nothing wrong--is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth--then all Americans are in peril. (Harry S. Truman)

    by IseFire on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 08:53:31 PM PDT

  •  So tell me what you think (none)
    Tell me what you think of this campaign slogan:

    Don't be fooled by George Bush.

    It could be preceded by some footage much like this Medicare ad.

    It puts the choice in the hands of the viewer.  Kerry's campaign should try something like this.  It implies that Bush is misleading and throws in a seed of doubt to ANYTHING his campaign says.

    Don't be fooled by George Bush.

    What do you think?

    •  Good idea to push the Medicare issue (none)
      I don't have audio right now but saw the video.  Can't judge the ad but am glad to see that Kerry is addressing the Medicare premium hike.

      I think that's a good slogan -- "Don't be fooled by George Bush."  I hope, though, that we can get some more positive memes out about John Kerry & John Edwards.  

      Stop Bush. Just DO it.

      by Daemmern on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 09:30:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Went to a Baptist church today (none)
    in northern (Marengo) Illinois with my aunt.  Preacher was pounding the need to register and vote.  He pointed out the voter registration table in the back of the church.  

    He handed out cards to explain why more "liberal" churches were shams because they do not believe in the inerrancy of the Bible or complained of other denominations for other reasons.  It's pretty bad when a church pastor sees Assembly of God as too liberal!

    Stop Bush. Just DO it.

    by Daemmern on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 09:01:46 PM PDT

  •  Whoa...Walter Mondale's daugher is hot (none)

    "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

    by theprogressivemiddle on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 09:09:50 PM PDT

  •  EMPLOYMENT: Good article on MSNBC (none)
    Spotty job market clouds Labor Day:
    Pocketbook issues could be important in the election

    By LEIGH STROPE
    AP Labor Writer
    The Associated Press
    Updated: 4:18 p.m. ET Sept. 5, 2004

    WASHINGTON - - A spotty job market and stagnant paychecks cloud this Labor Day holiday for many workers, highlighting the importance of pocketbook issues in the presidential election. (more)

    Stop Bush. Just DO it.

    by Daemmern on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 09:16:38 PM PDT

  •  60 Minutes, Porn and Ashcroft (none)
    Watching 60 Minutes tonight, I got to wondering how many of GWBush's fans would vote for him if they thought that Ashcroft would be using his  powers under the USA Patriot Law to ignore our Constitutional protections to prosecute those who buy porn over the Internet. Is every Bush voter willing to have his purchases publicly examined?

    The war on pornography would fit in well with such vote winning failures as the War on Drugs and War on Terrorism.

  •  No need to pushpoll (none)
    because in 9 days Kitty Kelley's book will be released.  

    Found it on Amazon.com.  Woooo hoooo!  

  •  Battleground Voter Registration Information (none)
    Hi all,

    Here in Connecticut we're going to be registering college students to vote by going door-to-door in dorm rooms throughout the state.  If they happen to live in a battleground we will of course have them register and request an absentee ballot from their home state.

    I compiled a list of the various rules and regulations surrounding registering and 'absenteeing' in each of these states identified by the Kerry campaign as in play.  Each state has direct links to the PDF forms (if available) for registration and absentee voting.  Florida will come on just as soon as their website recovers from the storm.  

    The list can be found on my website here:

    http://lonseidman.com/voteinfo.html

    Let me know your thoughts!

    http://www.lonseidman.com

    by nishka on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 09:58:45 PM PDT

  •  Speechless (none)
    Theoria:

    If this were in person, all I'd be able to do is shake your hand and smile in amazement.  I can't thank you enough for your thorough, accurate, and heartfelt coverage of the convention and the protests.  You made all of us feel like we were there, in this year of an incredibly important, and very emotional election.

    Thank you.

    Every revolution carries within it the seeds of its undoing.

    by Page van der Linden on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 10:01:35 PM PDT

  •  I'm watching the MTP rebroadcast. (none)
    Russert asked Buchanan "are you suggesting that one of the reasons terrorists attacked us is because of our support for Israel?" and he was like, incredulous -- like it was a shocking allegation on a par with Michelle Malkin suggesting Kerry shot himself. Now, I'm not a big fan of Russert, but, is he that stupid? Buchanan's point is valid, but hardly new or earth-shattering and shocking.
  •  More on Dubya's missing records (none)
    Bush's National Guard File Missing Records

    By MATT KELLEY
    Associated Press Writer
    September 5, 2004

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Documents that should have been written to explain gaps in President Bush's Texas Air National Guard service are missing from the military records released about his service in 1972 and 1973, according to regulations and outside experts.

    For example, Air National Guard regulations at the time required commanders to write an investigative report for the Air Force when Bush missed his annual medical exam in 1972. The regulations also required commanders to confirm in writing that Bush received counseling after missing five months of drills.

    No such records have been made public and the government told The Associated Press in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit that it has released all records it can find.

    Outside experts suggest that National Guard commanders may not have produced documentation required by their own regulations.

    link

    (Too bad they didn't couple this article with the one that came out on Salon this past week.  I would have loved seeing Linda Allison's name and her recall of what George was doing in Alabama at the time mentioned in the AP story.  Hell, I'd love to see any major media outlet pick it up!)

    George W. Bush's missing year

    The widow of a Bush family confidant says her husband gave the future president an Alabama Senate campaign job as a favor to his worried father. Did they see him do any National Guard service? "Good lord, no."

    Get a day pass, watch the ad and then you can read.

    link

  •  National Guard File Missing Records (none)
    In case some people didn't see my earlier post:  This story made it onto the CBS Evening News tonight at least on the West Coast.  I was yelling so hard I couldn't hear what they said but I'm pretty sure it was the ap wire story.  
  •  I'm glad you made it home OK (none)
    Nice to meet you.
  •  Telling it like it is (none)
    Sheesh!  I wish someone in our media had the courage/cajones to limn the true nature of the GOP as this British paper does:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/comment/story/0,14259,1298025,00.html

    It must be truly terrifying to be black in America under the Bushco regime....

    Never underestimate the destructive power of a ruling clique that's painted itself into a corner.

    by clarkista on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 11:45:08 PM PDT

    •  When 9 out of 10 do something... (none)
      ... they have been duped, according to black RNC spokesperson in the article.
      Why were they duped? Because they believed in Dem propaganda.

      Amazingly, the person who believes in the RNC propaganda, does not question whether the fact that 9 out of 10 lean away from him might indicate they have seen something he ought to see, too.

      Sure, it's possible for 9 out of 10 to be wrong. Not likely on this issue, though.

      "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

      by SteinL on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 11:58:25 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Duped (none)
        Condi "Mushroom Cloud" Rice, Colin "I'm barred from the convention" Powell, Allen "I'll Obama you" Keyes, Clarence "I do a Vulcan mindmeld with Scalia"....These are the 1 in 10 who see the truth.  What's important is to criminalize abortions by women you don't know, to place the Ten Commandments in schools that have no books, and to deny gays the rights that your forefathers died to achieve.  Let's all mobilize for the party of Jefferson Davis!  

        Whites, of course, are just as deluded.  The cowardly worm who occupies the White House spoke at a rally last week with the backdrop of white guys in T-shirts saying"Steelworkers for Bush/Cheney."

        I come from white trash and I wonder, too, What's wrong with Kansas--both black and white.

        This is infinitely depressing.

        Never underestimate the destructive power of a ruling clique that's painted itself into a corner.

        by clarkista on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 12:54:44 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Yeah Right! (none)
    Minnesota a Battle Ground

    46 to 46 tie, after the convention.

    That is what we will find all over the battlegrounds!.

    Folks, the GOP is peaking, and we haven't even begun to fight!

    Flash
    Centrisity

  •  and new approaches (4.00)
    Ohhhh, we are getting warmer aren't we!??
    I just caught rumbles of this out and about in the blogs, and it struck me ...the one thing we have done a lousy job of ...showing how GW fails both US as a progressive body and THEM as a conservative . Charts and graphs are good , and people who watch Fox can understand graphics with small words ( intentionally snide , but not shrill) .Rather than Yes I am No I'm Not bickering , illustrate often , like the chant " Miserable Failure" , hammer home the points that reveal Bush is neither a friend of the planet , your safety , or his base. He serves the smallest and most vocally incorrect minority in political history (as I think there were more co-conspirators in the hijacking of the Reichstag), but he is dead wrong on most matters. This is not a matter of defeating him by winning people into Progressivism, that can only win though long term successes, this is about how Bush sucks for everyone, on everything .This is about acknowledging that some conservatives have good points and that together we form a yin/ yang ,. But that Bush occurs outside both ideology, and is in this instant a well chameleonic 3rd variable no-one signed on for .Not a conservative, and not a progressive, not clever enough to be a real fascist, nor sufficiently politic to be a decent Nazi. None of the above  

    He needs to be sandwiched in-between the left and the right and ejected like a pimple core. He needs to be exposed for betraying all the political intents of both parties and the neo-cons equally discredited.

  •  SBVFTT liars (none)
    Another Vietnam vet crushes Rove's anti-Kerry smear:

    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/189368_firstperson06.html

    Never underestimate the destructive power of a ruling clique that's painted itself into a corner.

    by clarkista on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 12:11:28 AM PDT

    •  good letter (none)
      the comment about discrediting the commendations of others is right on target.
      •  Yes (none)
        Bob Kerrey has strenuously iterated this point.  If John Kerry's military service and medals can be trashed, then the records of all servicemen are in jeopardy.  This Rove strategy is extremely dangerous and should be condemned by all veterans (as it is by my husband who is a Vietnam vet).

        Why would any young person volunteer to serve in the princeling's military when his/her service will be subject to smearing by the Roveian cabal?

        I wonder:  Where are Wes Clark and the other pro-Kerry brass on this crucial issue?  :(

        Never underestimate the destructive power of a ruling clique that's painted itself into a corner.

        by clarkista on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 01:01:29 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  wish I could remember where (none)
          I saw it, but there was a political cartoon in which a medic was tending to a wounded soldier, and the caption was something to the effect "Guess this means you can't run for President."

          I get touchy on this subject. My father got an air medal during WWII for flying cargo into China over the Himalayas.  He took a little flak, but returned unscathed. The idea that his medal, or anyone else's, could be portrayed as "unearned" is about as low in my book as a campaign can go.

          •  My Grandfather (none)
            volunteered to serve in WW1 at the ripe old age of 30.  He received a shrapnel wound to the back of his leg 11 days before the War ended for which he received the Purple Heart(It was awarded years later in the 30s..I have the certificate hanging in my living room). After months of convalescence he returned home to Seattle. He was elected President of his local VFW and worked to recruit soldiers after Pearl Harbor.  He died the same day as FDR.  He was a proud soldier, veteran and Democrat. A pox on the Swift boat liars, GWB et all for questioning Kerry's medals along with all the other vets including my grandpa.

            GWB will pry my 19 year old son from my cold dead fingers.

            by Momagainstthedraft on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 09:50:12 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  Cartoon by Jeff Danziger (none)
            a political cartoon in which a medic was tending to a wounded soldier, and the caption was something to the effect "Guess this means you can't run for President."

            here

            It's not the lies we are being told, but the *quality* of those lies that is truly insulting.--Arundhati Roy, speaking against war, February 15, 2003

            by Mnemosyne on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 10:29:45 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Beth Shulman's column in WaPo (none)
    September 6, 2004Shulman
    "Unfortunately, Greenspan's facile dismissal of low-wage jobs as "unskilled" is a way to avoid acknowledging these essential jobs and the men and women who perform them. It is a way of justifying their poverty wages and meager benefits and blaming them for our failure to properly reward them."

    She offers some very good rejoinders to Greenspan's "retraining" as the solution to unemployment and underemployment. The article is worth a look.

  •  Brilliant satire (none)
    And this is from a national security type!  Enjoy.

    http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=DefenseWatch.db&command=viewone&op=t&id=619&rnd=850.6861242682851

    Never underestimate the destructive power of a ruling clique that's painted itself into a corner.

    by clarkista on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 12:28:59 AM PDT

  •  I've Identified a Troll (none)
    The user "Dopies" has left hundreds of comments titled "nice" on DailyKos in the last couple days on old diaries, each with the following tag line: "Faux news needs faux wood blinds to shade the failures of the Bush presidency."  The phrase "faux wood blinds" is a link to a site that, predictably, sells faux wood blinds.  This increases the search ranking for the wood blinds website.  Some of Dopies's comments aren't robotic, but something needs to be done.  Should I create a diary about this so that it gets Kos's attention?

    "If we do not suppress the [83% African American] Detroit vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election." -Mich. State Rep. John Pappageorge (R).

    by Michael D on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 01:03:49 AM PDT

  •  John O'Neill - File Ethics Complaint with TX Bar (none)
    WRITE LETTERS TO THE EDITOR OF THE HOUSTON CHRONICLE ASKING WHY O'NEILL IS NOT BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE UNDER ATTORNEY ETHICS RULES - State Bar is stonewalling

    viewpoints@chron.com
    outlook@chron.com
    citydesk@chron.com
    or
    http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/editorial/index.html

    ___________

    Force John O'Neill to be accountable for the accuracy of his public statements: FAX AN ETHICS COMPLAINT TO THE TEXAS STATE BAR

    John E. O'Neill
    CLEMENTS O'NEILL PIERCE WILSON ET AL
    1000 LOUISIANA ST STE 1800
    HOUSTON, TX, 77002
    phone (713) 654-7604

    Bar Card Number: 1529750

    John E. O'Neill, author of Unfit for Command, is an attorney licensed and practicing in Texas.

    According to the Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct:

    Rule 8.02 Judicial and Legal Officials (a) A lawyer shall not make a statement that the lawyer knows to be false or with reckless disregard as to its truth or falsity concerning the qualifications or integrity of a judge, adjudicatory official or public legal officer, or of a candidate for election or appointment to judicial or legal office.  [NOTE:  The President appoints the Attorney General.]

    Rule 8.04 Misconduct (a) A lawyer shall not: ...(3) engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;

    PLEASE WRITE, FAX, FED EX THE TEXAS STATE BAR TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THESE VIOLATIONS - including at least one specific and unambiguous example of a lie and you must sign your name:

    P.O. Box 12487
    Austin, Texas 78711

    1414 Colorado St.
    Austin, TX 78701

    Fax: (512)463-1475

    Telephone Numbers --- but writing is better

    Toll Free: (800) 204-2222
    Local: (512) 463-1463

    www.texasbar.com for more info if you need it

    COMPREHENSIVE LIST OF O'NEILL'S DEBUNKED LIES AT www.mediamatters.org - search on "O'NEILL"

    See this also (12th paragraph):  http://www.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=John%20Kerry%20Critics

  •  randomness (none)
    first off, i'm charing ahead on Wikipedia. Although I guess finding the National Journal has copies of the Almanac of American Politics on their site is helpful.

    And i'm having to correct little mistakes on Wiki, like the people who can't distinguish between Sr and Jr on listing congressmen (for John Tanner and Harold Ford).. the person who mangled 'Marilyn Lloyd' into 'Martin Lloyd', the people who confused 'Bill Shuster' with 'Bud "Interstate 99" Shuster' and so on.

    I'm probably not the only person to have started Wiki pages on all of my Representatives (the ones from 1985 on, including the one who will start next January).. those 3 would be Alan Wheat, Karen McCarthy, and Emmanuel Cleaver.

    Yay for me. ;)

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 01:19:29 AM PDT

  •  GOP Fratricide (none)
    McCain is a fool.  Let's hope the Repugs' purge of the moderates (RINOs) consigns them to the dustbin of American history. :)

    http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20040913&s=nichols

    Bill Moyers also had a piece about this on Friday night's "NOW" on PBS.

    Never underestimate the destructive power of a ruling clique that's painted itself into a corner.

    by clarkista on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 01:24:07 AM PDT

  •  Dems Tougher on Terror (4.00)
    I just pulled this up from my hotlist from a ways back.  Here's the diary

    Al Qaida Plots

    DateLocationResultThwarted?President
    2/26 '93World Trade Center6 killed, 1500 injuredNoClinton
    3/12 '93Bombay, India260 killedNoClinton
    6/1 '93JordanAttempt to kill KingYesClinton
    6/23 '93New York CityAttempt to bomb monumentsYesClinton
    7/28 '93Karachi, PakistanAttempt to kill ex-prime ministerYesClinton
    8/8 '93Cairo, EgyptAttempt to kill MinisterYesClinton
    10/3, '93Mogadishu, Somalia18 killedNoClinton
    11/26 '93Cairo, EgyptAttempt to kill Prime MinisterYesClinton
    3/10 '94Serte, Libya2 killedNoClinton
    3/11 '94Bangkok, ThailandAttempt to bomb EmbassyYesClinton
    6/20 '94Reza Shrine, Iran26 killedNoClinton
    11/12 '94Manila, PhilippinesAttempt to kill ClintonYesClinton
    12/8 '94Manila, PhilippinesAttempt to kill PopeYesClinton
    12/11'94Philippines1 killedNoClinton
    6/26 '95Addis Ababa, EgyptAttempt to kill PresidentYesClinton
    11/13 '95Riyadh, Saudi Arabia7 killedNoClinton
    6/25 '96Dharhan, Saudi Arabia19 killed, 400 injuredNoClinton
    8/7 '98Nairobi, Kenya240+ killedNoClinton
    8/7 '98Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania10+ killedNoClinton
    12/31 '99L.A. airportAttempt to bombYesClinton
    1/1 '00Amman, JordanAttempt to attack millennium celebrationsYesClinton
    1/13 '00NigerAttempt to ambush auto raceYesClinton
    10/12 '00Aden, Yemen17 killed, 37 woundedNoClinton
    9/9 '01N. Alliance HQleader killedNoBush
    9/11 '01NY, DC, PA2750+ killedNoBush
    12/22 '01Paris-Miami flightAttempted shoe-bombYesBush
    1/31 '02Karachi, Pakistan1 killedNoBush
    3/17 '02Islamabad, Pakistan5 killedNoBush
    6/14 '02Karachi, Pakistan11 killed, 45 injuredNoBush
    9/5 '02Kandahar, AfghanistanAttempt to kill PresidentYesBush
    9/5 '02Kabul, Afghanistan5 killedNoBush
    10/5 '02al-Mukalla, Yemen1 killedNoBush
    10/8 '02Faylaka, Kuwait2 killedNoBush
    10/12 '02Bali, Indonesia202 killed, hundreds woundedNoBush
    10/12 '02Sanur, Indonesia0 killedNoBush
    10/28 '02Amman, Jordan1 killedNoBush
    11/28 '02Mombassa, Kenya12 killedNoBush
    8/5 '03Jakarta, Indonesia16 killed, 150 injuredNoBush
    8/7 '03Baghdad, Iraq17 killed, 60+ injuredNoBush
    8/19 '03Baghdad, Iraq24 killed, 100 injuredNoBush
    11/2 '03Baghdad, Iraq? killed (car bomb)NoBush
    3/11 '04Madrid, Spain190 killed, hundreds woundedNoBush

    •  What about the Eiffel Tower plot (none)
      -- I think it was called something like "Operation Pachinka" -- which Randi Rhodes has frequently mentioned on her program?

      The plot (foiled by the Clinton Administration in cooperation with European intelligence and security agencies) involved flying planes into the Eiffel Tower.  Sound familiar, anyone?  And, does anyone still believe that the underlying intelligence problem in the 9/11 attacks was a "failure of imagination"?

      I do not suffer fools gladly

      by GreekGirl on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 02:33:59 AM PDT

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    •  And that's incomplete! Left out are: (none)
      An attack in Casablanca took 30+ lives in summer 2003.  Two attacks in one week in Istanbul took about 40 in November 2003.  An attack on a hotel in Jakarta in September 2003 (?) took a handful of lives and injured several more.  An attack in Riyadh, also in 2003 (May?) took about 15.  I believe sometime in 2002 an attack in Tunisia on a synagogue took about 10 or so lives.  Twin bombings in Mumbai (Bombay) summer 2003, dozens killed.  Two assassination attempts on Musharraf in December 2003.

      And this is just off the top of my head.  Google or the like could turn up details on these.

      It's been a bloody four years.

  •  so are there any women who make he center page? (none)
    Now I realize that Theoria is not a she ...

    This is why Rove didn't want to run against Dean in the first place. Dean/Obama 2008/12

    by Genf on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 04:03:59 AM PDT

  •  Clinton Urges Kerry To Sharpen His Attack (none)
    There are certain Kossacks -- they know who they are -- who continually argue, arrogantly and Thug-like, that any criticism of the Kerry campaign or the Democrats in general makes the crtic a "whiner," "hand wringer," "negative," "loser," etc.  Many of those same Kossacks also argue that we should, against all evidence to the contrary, only talk about how wonderful things are with the Kerry campaign, and also that we should twist the facts to suit our arguments (i.e., if a certain poll results are good, then that polling outfit must now be BRILLIANT; if that same poll comes out a few weeks later with bad results, well then, that polling outfit must now fundamentally SUCK!).  Well, all those Panglossian people must be feeling a bit of cognitive dissonance right now, because it turns out that the Big Dog, Bill Clinton, the Master of Politics, is saying the exact same things that many of us "whining loser critics" have been saying for weeks now.  Namely, Clinton's saying that the Kerry campaign has been ineffectual and is letting a totally winnable election start to slip out of its hands.  Needless to say, this can be turned around, but there's not much time left to do so.  Anyway, here are a few lines from today's front-page Washington Post article (emphaisis added by moi):

    *"Former president Bill Clinton, in phone calls with John F. Kerry over the weekend, told the Democratic presidential nominee that he must sharpen his criticism of President Bush's record and offer voters a more compelling case in his own behalf if he hopes to win the election in November."

    *"Clinton added his voice to that of other Democrats who were urging Kerry to change his message and strategy in response to gains Bush made during August and at his party's New York convention last week."

    *"[Clinton] always felt that you've got to give people a reason to vote for you and give people a choice," said one Democratic strategist. "He believes that at the end of the day that if you do make it an effective choice for the voters, they'll figure it out. But the burden's on the candidate to make the case."

    *"Since his party's convention in Boston in late July, Kerry has been on a downward slide, attacked by a group of Swift boat veterans over his service in Vietnam and his antiwar protests when he returned to the United States. He was also hurt by several statements that sowed confusion about where he stands on the war in Iraq."

    *"Kerry's performance in August unnerved many Democrats outside the campaign, who groused privately and sometimes publicly that the candidate needed to make a significant mid-course correction to counter Bush's gains."

    By the way, before anyone slams me for "not doing anything" except complaining, I would just like to point out that I have donated HUNDREDS of hours of my time over the past year to helping Democrats, not to mention hundreds of dollars of my money (including to the Kerry campaign).  I plan to get even more active in coming weeks on a local level here in Virginia. But I would also point out that, back at the end of the primaries, several former leading grassroot Clark campaign people, myself included (I was heavily involved in Environmentalists for Clark and Hispanics for Clark, for instnace), offered our services to the Kerry campaign and were basically told "thanks but no thanks, we've got the situation well under control.  Have a nice life!"  In other words, the message was "we're professionals, we know what we're doing, this is a top-down campaign and we don't need the help of you amateurs."   And they wonder why many people, including former Dean and Clark supporters who the Kerry folks would have been wise to court after the primaries, aren't wildly enthused about Kerry?  Besides the Kerry campaign's lack of an inspirational message for Democrats (i.e., Kerry STILL would have voted for the war resolution, even knowing what he knows today.  Or not.), could that dearth of enthusiasm (aside from the obvious ABB sentiments) be in part a result of taking us for granted and giving us the back of their hand?  Hmmmmm.....

    "Despite all your rage, you're still just a rat in a cage."

    by lowkell on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 04:32:22 AM PDT

    •  Jesus H. Christ with a hand grenade (none)
      I haven't seen any of that crap here, but I sure have seen it elsewhere.

      This should have been a diary, or entered in your livejournal.  Or something.

      I really don't appreciate how you go from "some Kossacks, and you know who you are" to slamming the SHIT out of the entire Kerry campaign, implying that any Kerry supporter has drunk buckets of Jim Jones-style Koolaid and is a zombie, prowling the earth, as brain-dead and full of evil-smelling cyanide-breath as a Bush supporter.

      If you don't think this site is objective, then why aren't you somewhere else?

      You completely obscure the significance of the Washington Post article, as your God Almighty Bill "Big Dog" Clinton speaks from his hallowed hospital bed.  That's sarcasm, in case you missed it.  Your post is more about your frustration with everyone who's interested in Kerry, than the gravity of what Clinton said.

      Every revolution carries within it the seeds of its undoing.

      by Page van der Linden on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 04:52:29 AM PDT

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      •  Boy are you confused! (none)
        A few points:

        1. If you haven't seen "any of that crap" here, then we must have been reading different blogs
        2. So, let me get this straight now.  Bill Clinton and many othes (myself included) BADLY want John Kerry to win, want him to toughen his criticisms of Bush and focus his message far more crisply than he has done.  We are frustrated and worried that this (utterly winnable) election could be slipping away if those things aren't done. And that consitutes "slamming the shit out of...Kerry?"   Sorry, dude, but you're completely not making any sense here at all.
        3. Why am I not somewhere else?  Uh, because I'm a Progressive Democrat and find many like-minded people here at Kos.  Because I find this site fascinating, even if frustrating at times?  Because I need a place for a sanity check on the insane Bush Administration's latest insanity?  Because this site is NOT objective -- it's a left-leaning Democratic site, and I like that?
        4. "as your God Almighty Bill "Big Dog" Clinton speaks from his hallowed hospital bed."  What's with the over-the-top melodrama here?  "Hallowed hospital bed" -- where does THAT come from?  And what's your point here exactly?  That Clinton is NOT a political strategy God?  That when Clinton gives political advice, you shouldn't listen to it?    
        5. No, I'm not frustrated with people who support Kerry.  Hell, I'm one of them (despite the fact that Kerry was NOT my #1, or #2 choice in the primaries)!  Just to clarify:  I'm frustrated with the DNC and the Kerry campaign.  I want them to fight and fight hard, even dirty if necessary, against the Thugs.  I want to win this freakin' election, because if not I fear that the country will drift inexorably towards authoritarianism and disaster.

        "Despite all your rage, you're still just a rat in a cage."

        by lowkell on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 05:21:34 AM PDT

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      •  He is a (2.50)
        Troll, or just stupid

        Well to the middle, but progressive on ALL solutions.

        by Great Hunter on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 05:33:03 AM PDT

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  •  If you don't (none)
    mind me asking, where did you get your degree(s)?

    As for those other sites, I am going to have to start reading some of them along with DeLong's.

    "What we have here is a form of looting."-George Akerlof, winner of 2001 Nobel Prize for Economics, on Bush budget policies

    by theprogressivemiddle on Mon Sep 06, 2004 at 11:22:30 AM PDT

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