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Bev Harris and others have this effort underway to raise the money needed to recount Ohio and other states. Laws allow for citizens to demand a recount themselves.

I know there is quite a bit of talk here about not taking this road but living in Columbus and seeing what I saw around town last Tuesday there is no way I can accept the results as valid. I feel very strongly that this thing was stolen and I'm glad to have an organized effort that I can participate in. Hope others will be willing to jump aboard as well.

The site should be up very soon. They need $10 per precinct.

web site: www.helpamericarecount.org

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Mitch

Originally posted to itsmitch on Wed Nov 10, 2004 at 07:34 AM PST.

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  •  How many precincts are there? (none)
    And do you have to be an American to contribute?

    Canadians care too...

    by jbalazs on Wed Nov 10, 2004 at 07:35:34 AM PST

  •  Just Heard Bev on Air America (none)
    1. There are 11,000 plus precints in OH. Therefore, they will need approximately $110,000 to recount the entire state.

    2. Apparently, they can recount as long a 5 Ohio voters who did not vote for Bush request the recount. Therefore, from this, I am guessing statements claiming that voters could not request recounts here on Kos are wrong.

    3. Ralph Nader is going forward with the Diebold recount/audit in NH. His cost will be several thousand dollars.

    4. Apparently, a voter in Arizona (which I believe was close) is going forward with a recount there.
    •  Arizona wasn't close (none)
      It was at least a 10% gap there.

      (Unless you are referring to a race other than that for President).

    •  There is no way (none)
      That 5 Ohio voters can request a recount.  It's impossible to misinterpret the statutes.  Here they are

      If the 5-voter thing is the theory Bev's using, I'd advise everyone to save their $10 for the time being.

      The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. --George Bernard Shaw

      by Categorically Imperative on Wed Nov 10, 2004 at 07:50:19 AM PST

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      •  Are you an election law attorney? (none)
        I asked that because reading a statute is not the same as understanding how it is applied. I am an attorney, and I would never make the claim that you are making without fully knowing the law in the area of which I am speaking about. My posting indicated what she said. I can't speak to her accuracy about the law- but she says she has an election law attorney in her employ. So again, are you an attorney with expertise in this area?
        •  I am a law student (none)
          Who has spent the last 3 weeks doing precious little other than dealing with Ohio election law issues.  I wouldn't claim to be an election law "expert," however.  

          That said, if you read the statute, are trained in the law, and understand the English language, there is no way that the statute can possibly be read as Bev Harris apparently wants to read it.  So I don't think I need any special election law expertise to make the statement I made.  All I need to know are long-established rules of statutory construction.  

          The only way that I am wrong is if Ohio courts simply ignore the rules the legislature set down.  That's possible, I guess, but unlikely.  

          The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. --George Bernard Shaw

          by Categorically Imperative on Wed Nov 10, 2004 at 11:08:17 AM PST

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    •  It was "in Nevada not arizona" (none)
      thinking of a song here......... what does it matter................
  •  URL Not working (none)
    Anyone got the correct one?
  •  I hope everyone is recommeding this (3.50)
    diary. I believe it will get loss in the traffic of personal pet peeves, rants, and theorectical discussions. So please recommend. Thanks.
  •  what I saw on the ground last Tuesday (none)
    1st: There is no way what I saw represented ONLY a 9% increase in turnout. Everyone I talk to agrees that it hurts the head to wrap your brain around what we saw being anything less than a 20+ % increase in turnout.

    2nd: Friends in republican strongholds voted quickly. Most say they were in and out as in other years. It was those precincts that carried Ohio for Bush?

    3rd: Every heavily democratic precinct in town had 2-5 hour waits to vote. And yet we could not deliver a more decisive win for Kerry in Franklin County? My senses tell me it wasn't really close in Franklin County.

    4th:I worked for Election Protection on the 2nd and I'm so sad to have seen what I saw going on. It makes me hurt for my country to have seen first hand the insane variety of voter suppression efforts by Republicans. I looked in the eye of a challenger working a precinct that was almost 100% black. What I saw in his eyes will haunt me until the day I die

    Mitch

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