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Breaking news. 11000 votes in NC

Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 03:56:00 PM PDT

Dont let them get away with this!!!! Its everywhere!

Election problems due to a software glitch
November 05,2004
Sue Book
Sun Journal

A systems software glitch in Craven County's electronic voting equipment is being blamed for a vote miscount that, when corrected, changed the outcome of at least one race in Tuesday's election.

Then, in the rush to make right the miscalculation that swelled the number of votes for president here by 11,283 more votes than the total number cast, a human mistake further delayed accurate totals for the 40,534 who voted.

The glitch occurred Tuesday night as absentee ballot totals for one-stop early voting at three Craven County locations and ballots mailed-in were being entered, said Tiffiney Miller, Craven County Board of Elections director

The Elections Systems and Software equipment had downloaded voting information from nine of the county's 26 precincts and as the absentee ballots were added, the precinct totals were added a second time. Precincts affected were Havelock East, Havelock West, River Bend, Cove City, Ernul, Fort Totten, Grover C. Fields, Glenburnie and West New Bern.

An override, like those occurring when one attempts to save a computer file that already exists, is supposed to prevent double counting, but did not function correctly, Miller said.

"I have redone every (personal electronic ballot) completely and am adding the absentees," she said early Thursday. "Every precinct was redone."

The second set of incorrect numbers came when the total for one of the batches of absentee ballots was not included in the first manual recount.

"That's why we have a week before the votes are official, so if we do find problems we can get them straight before the votes are certified," said Miller, who was in her office before 8 a.m. Thursday, hand-crunching the numbers retrieved from the voting machines.

New numbers put incumbent Commissioner Leon Staton in front of Republican challenger Tony Michalek for the Craven County Board of Commissioners District 5 seat. It does not appear that any other local races will be affected as a result of the malfunction, even with the results of about 1,000 provisional votes still to be entered Nov. 9.

Joined by her staff when the Craven County Administration Building opened, Miller already had been discussing the problem and remedies with Craven County Board of Elections Chairman Gloria Stanley, Electronic Systems and Software local representative Owen Andrews and North Carolina State Board of Elections Director Gary Bartlett.

Other than the cranking sound of numbers adding and an occasional ring of the phone, the office was dead quiet as they scrutinized the emerging tapes and hand-posted them on notebooks to be added by hand.

Craven County Commissioner Renee Sisk, a Republican who would be in the new majority on the board with Michalek's election, came by to assess the situation, followed by Craven County Manager Harold Blizzard, then Craven County Republican Party Chairman Steve Tyson, who both came in to inquire about the problem and possible solution. Then a national Republican political consultant who had watched the returns and had some concern that other precincts were involved in the problem entered the office.

Andrews arrived and made contact with the ESS home office in Omaha, Neb.

"What she is dong now is the failsafe way to make sure we get it right," said Andrews, of Owen G. Dunn in New Bern.

"When a voter casts the vote, it stays in the memory of the machine, which has redundancy as a safeguard," he said.

While there is no paper ballot, Andrews said "(Miller) has a paper trail. She can print as many paper vote tallies out of the machine as she'd like."

That information remains in the voting machine until the election is decided and it is deliberately removed.

Andrews will work with the manufacturer, Miller and the elections board to correct the problem to ensure it will not happen again, but said "it really has nothing to do with the integrity of the vote as cast or counted."

"We will produce an honest outcome by the time we canvass Tuesday," said Craven County Board of Elections member Walter Leake, who was one of the last to stop by the elections office Thursday. "The poll books will match the machine."

Election difficulties also were reported in a number of other North Carolina counties, including nearby Carteret, where 4,530 early votes were irretrievably lost.

Sue Book can be reached at (252) 638-8101 ext. 262 or sue_book@link.freedom.com.

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  •  isn't it interesting... (4.00 / 2)

    Interesting how the "glitches" that have so far been reported seem to always favor the republicans.
  •  88,000 extra votes in Palm Beach County (4.00 / 3)

    I posted on this under Gray's dairy below, breaking news from the Washington Dispatch:
    link

    I'm beginning to think the supposed Christian flavor of the vote has more to do with the miracle of the loaves & fishes than with any actual mandate ..  

  •  Craven (none / 0)

    Hyperdictionary definition of craven:

    Definition:

    1. [n]  an abject coward
    2. [adj]  lacking even the rudiments of courage; abjectly fearful; "the craven fellow turned and ran"; "a craven proposal to raise the white flag"; "this recreant knight"- Spenser

    "I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused..." - Elvis

    by Gearhead on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 04:03:44 PM PDT

  •  Glitches (none / 0)

    Pardon this second post, but the US has been "glitched" one too many times.  We should call Dubya "the bug."

    "I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused..." - Elvis

    by Gearhead on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 04:04:59 PM PDT

  •  What a load of crap. (4.00 / 2)

    While there is no paper ballot, Andrews said "(Miller) has a paper trail. She can print as many paper vote tallies out of the machine as she'd like."

    The ES&S guy here is basically saying that while the machines have no paper trail themselves, because they don't print any receipt or other hard evidence of what each individual voter selected, but hey -- the election official is free to print out the unprovable, unauditable internal vote totals from the machine as many times as she likes!  They'll probably be the same every time!

    There's a fine line between being a salesman, being a dumbass, and being a damn liar.  Well, actually, it's more like a Venn diagram...

  •  More NC problems 30,000 votes??? (none / 0)

    In Carteret County NC 4500 early votes vanished because they exceeded the storage on the early voting electronic machine. In Mecklenburg County  NC2500 early votes were double counted somehow.

    And in Guilford County NC today a major snafu, here is an email from the county election supervisor to the state elections director (don't ask how I got it):

    "My message to ES&S was " I cannot explain the discrepancies and I
    suspect the State Board, and others, are going to ask why we misreported
    absentee results by between 6,000 and near 30,000 votes last night."
    Did I get that right? .....
     The discrepancies
    were larger and more extensive than I initially thought ... The short explanation is the "Unity" can't record the number of votes in
    a precinct that we had in Absentees.  They new this, they have had it
    bomb on them before, and no one ever alerted me to the problem.  You
    will be hearing more about this ..... I am having staff enter the corrected absentee numbers into ENRS to
    update your system.

    •  nationwide audit (4.00 / 2)

      we need a nationwide audit of all ES&S electronic voting systems and a new count.
      •  how do we get an audit? (none / 0)

        Will we need the cooperation of congress? Can the lawyers build a case in time? Will they be obstructed? Is there recourse after the electoral college casts their votes?
        •  Go HERE (none / 1)

          http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

          THURSDAY Nov. 4 2004: If you are concerned about what happened Tuesday, Nov. 2, you have found a home with our organization. Help America Audit.

          Black Box Voting has taken the position that fraud took place in the 2004 election through electronic voting machines. We base this on hard evidence, documents obtained in public records requests, inside information, and other data indicative of manipulation of electronic voting systems. What we do not know is the specific scope of the fraud. We are working now to compile the proof, based not on soft evidence -- red flags, exit polls -- but core documents obtained by Black Box Voting in the most massive Freedom of Information action in history.

          [ ... ]

          Freedom of Information requests are not free. We need to raise $50,000 as quickly as possible to pay for records and the fees some states charge for them. We launched one major FOIA action last night, and have two more on the way, pell-mell. Now is the time.]

          Important: Watch this 30-minute film clip.

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          Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

          by bumblebums on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 05:23:10 PM PDT

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  •  ES & S was run by Chuck Hagel (none / 0)

    shortly before he won an upset for the Seante against popular Gov Ben Nelson [now his colleague] in an election where a laoge portion of state votes were cast on ES&S machines.

    and oh by the way, the upset elections in Georgia in 2002 for Chambliss and Perdue [aginast Max and Roy Barnes] were also largley on ES&S machines, were they not?  Anmd wasn't there at least one county wehere the vote totals were esactly the same for several offices???

    I remember a number of yearws ago (more than 10) there was a piecde by Charlie Peters in Washington MOnthly where he talked about how running elections on computer was sure to lead to stolen elections.

    I worked wiht computers for over 20 years, for governemtn, for busniess, as a consultant, etc.  I ws a certgified data prcoessor (helping to write the CDP exam one year) and a certified systems professional.

    The system we are using for voting would not be accetable for ANY financially related transaction by any audit company.  The lack of a proper and verifiable audit trail by itself would disqualoify them.  The lack of at least escrowed software that can be used to validate the execuatble code in case of questions would also be unacceptable.

    And yet we turn over what is left  of our 'DEMOCRACY" to such systems.   We get what we deserve, if we stand for this.

    Those who can, do. Those who can do more, TEACH! If impeachment is off the table, so is democracy

    by teacherken on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 05:18:21 PM PDT

  •  two words: electronic coup n/t (none / 0)

    Reality - Humanity - Sustainability

    by Em on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 05:49:32 PM PDT

  •  Gahanna, Ohio (none / 0)

    I'm sure you've all read about the precinct in Gahanna, Ohio (suburb of Columbus) in which about 4,500 extra votes (i.e., more votes than there were voters in the precinct) magically appeared for Bush.

    What I want to know is - why were ALL those votes for Bush???

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