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In yesterday's edition of my reports on the seemingly-endless race for governor in Washington state, I discussed the early hand-recount results from 10 counties.  As of last night, the Secretary of State's elections website showed results from another seven counties.

Presumably, the current interim totals will be maintained over the weekend, so let's review the current status of the hand count.  Analysis continues below the fold...

All seven newly-reporting counties had favored Dino Rossi (R-smarmy tool of corporate interests) over Christine Gregoire (D-rudderless purveyor of wishy-washy wonkery) and Ruth Bennett (L-gay marriage proponent) in the initial count and mandatory automated recount.  No surprise, then, that Rossi's lead in the race increased slightly when those counties reported.  Comparing the two recounts, his margin ballooned (if that's the right word) by another 27 votes overall.

In a nutshell, and alphabetically, here's a recap of the day's changes:

  • Adams -- Rossi lost 5 votes, and the county tallied 3 fewer ballots than in the mandatory recount.  Uses ES&S Opscan 150 machines.
  • Clallam -- both Gregoire and Rossi received 4 additional votes, Bennett added 1, tally the same as in the first recount.  Votes using BCCS Punchcard 228 technology.
  • Columbia -- 1 more Rossi vote, 1 more ballot tallied, ES&S Opscan 150.
  • Kitsap -- Gregoire +72, Rossi +82, Bennett +7, yet they tallied 16 fewer ballots than in the mandatory recount.  Uses Optech 4C-400 voting machines.
  • Lewis -- added 2 Gregoire, 9 Rossi, and 1 Bennett vote.  Like Whitman County in the mandatory recount, reported their "Registered Voters" count in the column where they were supposed to display "Ballots Counted", thus appearing to have had 100% turnout (though with almost 6000 undervotes).  In reality, turnout was probably 87.1%.  Uses BCCS Punchcard 228 voting machines.
  • Stevens -- increased Rossi's votes by 2, processed same number of ballots as in mandatory recount.  Votes with ES&S Punchcard.
  • Walla Walla -- Gregoire gained 2 votes, Rossi 13.  Bennett lost 2 votes in the hand count.  Number of ballots was unchanged.  Uses ES&S Opscan 650 machines.
The 17 counties now in the fold represent less than one-eighth of the state's total vote.  Only about 16% of the counted votes come from counties won by Gregoire.  So it's really too early to say how things are going.

The other important consideration revolves around the capacity for uncovering discernable votes that the automated tabulating systems couldn't.  Yesterday, I noted that about 5 of every 10,000 votes recorded in the hand recount had been missed by the machine count.  With the addition of these seven counties, that proportion has risen to just over 7/10000.  By far the largest proportion was seen in Kitsap County, where 161 new votes were counted among 119,443 tallied -- that's a "new-found votes" rate of 13.5/10000.  If this pace persists, approximately 2030 new for-a-candidate votes will be tallied under the hand recount.  It remains unknown, and unknowable at the moment, how those additional votes will distribute among the three candidates.

The final wildcard, of course, is the Democrats' lawsuit regarding re-examination of previously-rejected ballots.  Oral arguments will be heard by the state Supreme Court in Olympia on Monday.  

More ballots to be added to the tallies?  Who knows?  In any case, we'll continue tracking the county results as they come in over the next who-knows-how-many days.

Originally posted to Peace Tree Farm on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 03:14 PM PST.

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  •  tip jar (4.00)
    ...and if you wish, please recommend as well.

    You're only young once, but you can be immature forever -- Larry Andersen

    by N in Seattle on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 03:06:40 PM PST

  •  Dammit everyone (none)
    Recommend this!

    Oh, I see you have.  Ok.

    Anyway, this is a historic situation.  Let's keep our fingers crossed.

    I'm still curious about exactly how much Rossi sucks.  Is he as bad as Bush?  Or is he just marginally dangerous?

    It's not getting any smarter out there. -- Frank Zappa

    by Page van der Linden on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 03:19:22 PM PST

    •  Ross v Bush (none)

      Rossi is infinitely more appealing than Bush ...

      but, of course, that's starting from the very nadir of human existence.

      Susan in Port Angeles (my cat)

      by SusanHu on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 03:52:18 PM PST

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      •  No, no (none)
        Rossi gives me the creeps - - even if he was a democrat I would not vote for him.

        There is something very devious about him - even his snarky responses to this whole election bit has not endeared me to him - on the contrary.

        So I am truly hoping that this count will get rid of him.  

        I don't think I can handle Bush and Rossi at the same time without going insade -- and wondering if the whole United States have not lost its collected mind.

        ...Release the Hounds

        by sara seattle on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 04:11:27 PM PST

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        •  I don't like Rossi (none)
           -- but Gregoire is no peach.  She is lucky tho.  If she lived in the Chicago area someone by now would have given her a little talking to.

          I see it as two bad choices with one being marginally better (Gregoire). She is likely to behave like her predecesor (soft and warm on the outside (democrat) while hard core on the inside (republican). We have got a mess out here in far northwest Whatcom County related to a totally unnecessary gas pipeline that her office missed deadlines on and has underperformed basic expectations (Georgia Straigth Crossing project).  You have to understand - the pipeline delivers gas from Canada to Canada PASSING THROUGH our county in a very pristine shoreline area.  No jobs, relatively little taxes - no pay off at all. We believe that Locke supported it and that her office messed up the appeals.  The Dept of Ecology missed critical deadlines.

          Glad she is a Democrat....would hate to see how a REAL Republican would act.  That is the ONLY reason that I support her at all - Rossi would be worse.  But don't kid yourselves - she leaves much to be desired...If elected she will probably feel she has to become EVEN MORE Republican, while Rossi will behave as though it is a mandate for a bunch of right wing policies.  We are screwed either way.  Too bad someone didnt make her sign a pledge on how she would behave in office.

          Outsiders think WA state is liberal..It IS - but outside of Seattle it is filled with complacent BO BOs (Borgeois Bohemians) who havent had to fight much for anything in a long, long time. I hate to hear the "New Age" speak that passes for discussion up here - pure bull.  Trying to get real work for change is much much harder. My husband and I came here from the East and haven't been too impressed with the get up and go in terms of progressive chuzpah...people like to "just get along".  As we have seen, though, that CAN be a recipe for disaster.

          I hope she (loses or wins).  Don't know -truly. Maybe I will put together a diary of my and my husband's experiences in the last two years.  The more I see, the more I believe that many if not most current Democrats are not really progressive at all.  That is troubling and a major wake up call - those of you in blue states like mine that think you can relax - well, in my humble opinion - you can't and may be in the most danger.  Don't take the label "Democrat" for granted.  Right now there is no gurarantee of what that label means and the quality inside.

          Sorry - don't want to mess up your great discussion.  Its just been inside and I am feeling more and more strongly that the truth must come out. I generally support Gregoire - but I don't trust her at all.

          •  Whatcom County (none)
            I lived there for 13 years, before I became really political.  Bellingham is certainly the city of subdued excitement, with the real radicals centered at WWU/Fairhaven.  But right before we left, we noticed that the people we knew were getting more wrapped up in an alternative keeping-up-with-the-Jonses attitude.  I hope this wasn't a trend there.  The radicals did show up to make Ann Coulter's appearance there quite memorable, I was glad for that.

            The area outside Bellingham is as conservative as it can get, with the Evangelical Republican epicenter being Lynden.

            I didn't know Gregoire had anything to do with that gas pipeline.  The potential for damage to the herring spawning grounds off Cherry Point is quite high if the project is still going in the water there.
             

            Don Rumsfeld: the new Marie Antoinette

            by lapin on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 07:04:21 PM PST

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            •  No direct fingerprints (none)
              ..just following the faint blood drips.  The GSX proposal was first submitted somwhere in 2001 under her very good buddy Gov Locke.  At least 2 key deadlines were missed by the Dept of Ecology and there were a lot of weird communications with Williams where Williams maintains that they were told that they didnt need to apply for certain essential local permits.  Over the ensuing years, as Whatcom County and the State dialed in to the fact that there wasnt much in it for the state and as public awareness and resistance grew, things started to go harder for Williams.  With FERC on their side, however,and two missed deadlines by the State they believed that they could proceed.  The state took them to court and there is currently a lawsuit against FERC  asserting that the two missed deadlines were not indeed relevant and asserting the states clean water regulations be enforced no matter what. (WOW! - that should stop 'em) The Attorney General's office under Gregoire withdrew the part of the lawsuit challenging FERC's right to require a deadline and is now just going with trying to get the Feds to allow the State to assert the clean water standards.

              Woven through all this is the sense that the ball was purposely dropped by the Dept of Ecology and the Attorney General's office early on.  Those of us fighting this project have been running to catch up ever since.

              Now, do I know emphatically that she is responsible personally. No. Do I feel that there was some kind of green light given to Williams by the Locke administration.  Yes.  Do I believe that the Attorney General's Office under Gregoire has been less than assertive and that the Dept of Ecology screwed up big time.  Yes.

              It aint over yet. BC HYDRO - the purchaser for this gas may yet chose another alternative than GSX because as this thing has undergone these delays, the dollar signs have been going up...Still, it has refused to die before so we aren't taking anything for granted.

              Yes - as you say, if implemented, it will go through pristine marine habitat and fisheries.  The pipeline can also be theoretically reversed to delivery liquified natural gas (LNG) a much more explosive substance from Vancouver Island to Cherry Point and across Whatcom County.

              People here are against it but as you know, the proponents of these projects wear people down over the years and years that it takes to stop them.  We are very concerned that if implemented, GSX will not only needlessly endanger our marine habitat, but be a foothold for putting even MORE heavy industry there.

              We fight on.  That said, I don't like what I learned about her and have grave concerns about her leadership though as I said, Dino is probably much worse.

              •  In June (?) 1999 (none)
                I was walking out the back door of my office, which was basically at the intersection of James and Iowa.  In the distance I saw a large black cloud, then flame shooting down Whatcom Creek.  The flames were at least 100 feet high.  The subsided before the reached I-5, but the forest surrounding the creek up by Whatcom Falls was blazing.  I knew the dad of one of the kids who died that day.  I will never forget seeing that or visiting the creek a few days later and the charred remnants that were there.

                I couldn't believe the bullshit carelessness that Olympic Pipeline exhibited.  Olympic was the worst though.  Under-resourcing that operation was intentional and the penalties they received should have been much stiffer.  

                About two years earlier, we witnessed a flaming break on a north-south gas line that lit up the entire Nooksack Valley.  I read in the paper soon after that those flames rose 300 ft into the sky.

                Something about Whatcom County and pipelines.  Thanks for the update on the status of that law suit.  Do you have source links for documentation? Case name?  I'd like to read more about it.  Sounds like a test of states rights, even with involvement of Gregoire and her actions.

                Don Rumsfeld: the new Marie Antoinette

                by lapin on Sun Dec 12, 2004 at 08:17:57 PM PST

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                •  I owe you that (none)
                  ..will be putting together a diary hopefully soon that will contain all the links.  Need to sit down and document the sequence of decisions and info for myself first.  It is a compelling insight not into just Whatcom County's politics but also the increasing power of multinational corporations.

                  Funny, when my husband and I moved here, we thought we were pretty aware people.  However, out here at the edge of the United States land mass, we see some dynamics that the rest of the US mainland is pretty sheltered from.  We SEE and experience the triangulation of power among the energy and energy affiliated corporations as well as the land developers in their fairly naked splendor.  Our local populace are pretty laid back about it but we are appalled.  

                  More in our diary to come...lots and lots is happening and changing with many implications for us in this country.

          •  Hope you do a diary (none)

            be sure to let us know, will you?  (It's easy to miss diaries here.)

            I used to wonder about the politics in Clallam County until we started going to Dean Meetups.  I met the greatest bunch of people ever.  Smart, savvy, involved.  In other words, it took a while since the move from Seattle in 2000 to get to know people here.

            (Worrisome what you say about Gregoire's office.)

            Susan in Port Angeles (my cat)

            by SusanHu on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 07:14:17 PM PST

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          •  Damn liberals (none)
            ...outside of Seattle it is filled with complacent BO BOs (Borgeois Bohemians) who havent had to fight much for anything in a long, long time. I hate to hear the "New Age" speak that passes for discussion up here - pure bull.  Trying to get real work for change is much much harder. My husband and I came here from the East and haven't been too impressed with the get up and go in terms of progressive chuzpah (emphasis switzer's)

            OUTSIDE Seattle?  That pretty much describes the situation IN Seattle.  We've gotten fat 'n' sassy in Seattle, and the chickens have come home to roost with this race for Governor.  The old maxim, "all the votes you need to win can be seen from the space needle" still holds true, but you have to put in your work.

            I agree with SusanHu, btw - give us a diary on the pipeline situation.

            I put things where they don't belong at Switzerblog.

            by switzerblog on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 09:19:04 PM PST

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            •  Will do (none)
              --its a long and complex story, still unfolding. There are some real key questions and issues that I think mark the beginning of a type of transition to a future where even nation states are not the ruling entities, but rather multinational companies. In this case, the electrical generation and pipeline companies are the big players across both US and Canadian governments.  There are similar stories all along the west coast in CA and up across Wyoming and Montana too.

              Will do my best to lay it out in a way that everyone can understand and see the implications of.

    •  thanks, Page (none)
      A little push from you, and my diary pops up on the Recommended list.  What a powerful woman!

      Someone more in-the-know on Washington state politics than I would be a far better source on Rossi's potential impact.  Me, I just play with the numbers.

      What I do know is that his campaign ads said nothing-nothing-nothing.  His record from 10 years in the state Senate says conservative-conservative-conservative.  His background as a real estate salesman with a rather unsavory mentor says sleazy-sleazy-sleazy.

      You're only young once, but you can be immature forever -- Larry Andersen

      by N in Seattle on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 04:08:13 PM PST

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  •  Nice work (4.00)
    Your work is really appreciated.  Keep it up!
  •  These results look encouraging (none)
    Rossi's small gains are to be expected in what appear to be areas he won.  King County is where it will be decided.  I confess to not knowing a lot about Seattle.  However, if they are like almost every other major city a higher percentage of votes are undercounted.  

    It's another reason we need to fight for election reform in every state.  Fore example, if Florida had uniform voting (like MN, OR, others) Gore would have won in 2000 even with all the voter supression, etc.  The punchcard ballots used in counties largely carried by Gore only counted 96.8% of the vote, but the touch screen counted 99.7%.  I'm not going to go into the statistics, but if the entire state used the same standards (and if they didn't fix the results, which is always possible) Gore carries the state without any significant doubt.

  •  forgot to mention (4.00)
    In a diary written last night (Model of recount says Gregoire wins!), srolle suggests that there may be a positive association between increasing county-size and the proportion of new-found ballots.  I think it's a bit early to say that -- Kitsap is the only one of the 17 counties we've seen that has over 40,000 registered voters, so the distribution of counties is quite truncated -- but it's an intriguing thought.

    Anyway, King County may break the mold on this.  I believe they already did some eyeball-checking on undervotes.

    You're only young once, but you can be immature forever -- Larry Andersen

    by N in Seattle on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 04:33:03 PM PST

  •  stolen election ? (none)
    if this recount makes the democrat govenor can you imagine the screams from the right wing about the election being stolen. all it will show is how undependable the election counting really is but the outcry would be deafening.
    hopefully if gregoire pulls it off it would be worth hearing the outcry from the right when an accurate count really works.
    •  then maybe rossi asks for a recount. (none)
      n/t

      vote dem in '06. cuz a rethug congress REALLY is the opposite of progress

      by jeff06dem on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 05:11:23 PM PST

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      •  aoeu (none)
        he can ask, but from what I understand this is the final count.

        no haikus now,
        join your local democratic party.
        There are fights in 2005 coming up.

        by TealVeal on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 05:23:26 PM PST

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        •  Maybe a recall (none)
          From what I've read on bi-partisan forums, WA Republicans are talking about a recall election if she wins the recount (or especially, if she wins via the court cases).
          •  GOP already sending up recall trial balloons (none)
            Heard it on a Bellingham wingnut radio show last week.

            Don Rumsfeld: the new Marie Antoinette

            by lapin on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 07:05:35 PM PST

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          •  aoeu (none)
            how does a recall work in WA?

            no haikus now,
            join your local democratic party.
            There are fights in 2005 coming up.

            by TealVeal on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 07:17:35 PM PST

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            •  I don't think they can... (4.00)
              I just did an internet search and found a lot of wingers talking about doing a recall, but according the National Council of State Legislature (http://www.ncsl.org/programs/legman/elect/recallprovision.htm) in order to have a recall their must be a "commission of some act or acts of malfeasance or misfeasance while in office, or who has violation of oath of office (Const. Art. I §33))

              Since she 1) done nothing personally, 2)no crime is even alleged, and 3) is isn't yet in the office of Governor so nothing she has done is possible to be a violation of her oath of office since she isn't in the office yet!

          •  Recall! (none)
            So, there's a possibility that Rossi won't win, and we won't have to keep Gregiore as governor?

            While I'm generally opposed to any and all ballot initiatives, and think that recalls are a bad idea in general, I'd have to think about this a little more.

            If she stood up for herself, her party, and the voters of her state just the slightest bit, then it would be easier to support her lacklusterness.

            Is it really that hard to say "We live in a democracy, we vote for our leaders, and we must count every vote. Mr. Rossi doesn't seem to understand democracy -- his statements trouble me."?

            76% of dKos readers think I'm a secret wing-nut operative!

            by Gustavo on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 11:16:58 PM PST

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      •  can't believe no one said this... (none)
        If she wins this recount, the state triggers ANOTHER automatic hand recount at state cost.  The Dem's deposit ($730k) would then be refunded.

        (N, correct me if I'm wrong on this)

        I put things where they don't belong at Switzerblog.

        by switzerblog on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 09:24:49 PM PST

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        •  Don't think so.... (none)
          If she wins this recount, it's over.

          Tell me how you spend your time and how you spend your money -- I'll tell you what your values are.

          by oldpro on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 09:56:52 PM PST

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        •  I don't think so but I'm not sure (none)
          Since this is the third count, it's a hand count, and it's statewide, I believe this is it. If the recount had been the limited affair the Democrats were seeking earlier on there would have been a full-state recount if conditions warranted it, but since this is a full-state recount I think it's the last one.

          Disclaimer: I may not know what I'm talking about. Things could also be altered by the Supreme Court hearing that starts Monday, or maybe Rossi will pull a rabbit out of his hat . . . Oh well, anyone who knows any different, please feel free to correct me.

          Republicanism (n). The ultimate triumph of style over substance.

          by Our Man In Redmond on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 10:08:26 PM PST

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        •  pretty sure (none)
          I'm fairly certain that oldpro has it right -- this is the last recourse contemplated by WA state law.  But what do I know?  I'm neither a lawyer nor someone who plays one on TV.

          I don't think Gustavo's scenario would play out either.  SCOTUS would happily take the easy (and in this case, I think, appropriate) way out by saying that a gubernatorial election is entirely a state matter.

          BTW, switzerblog, your name came up on more than one occasion at this evening's successful Holiday Party for Progressives.  As in "Where's Xxx?  I was really hoping to see him here.  I was sure he would be."

          You're only young once, but you can be immature forever -- Larry Andersen

          by N in Seattle on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 11:56:51 PM PST

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          •  damn damn double damn! (none)
            Switzer's working the recount as a proto-lead for the Democratic observers, and as such has been working verrrry LOOOOONNNGGGGG days.  Since switzer is aging and infirm due to two years of campaigning and not caring for his body, he hasn't responded well to the stress of working the room for 11 hours and getting no sleep (people with actual jobs requiring manual labor, please keep switzer-mocking to a minimum).  

            Hence, I was about to collapse by 6 tonight when I was able to leave, and all neurons in my brain have shut off - so I forgot about LKS's wingding tonight!  

            So, our mutual friends were right - I was expected at tonight's event, but failed to arrive.  Switzer sends his sincere apologies, and hopes that Kelley brought DFW's contribution to the event to help defray costs.  Sorry I missed you, N!

            Now, off to sleep, perchance to work the recount tomorrow.

            RonK and I should have some yummy diaries to write when this is all said and done!  :-)

            I put things where they don't belong at Switzerblog.

            by switzerblog on Sun Dec 12, 2004 at 12:11:51 AM PST

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            •  apology more than accepted (none)
              You're following a higher calling than us slugs who go about our daily lives and progressivize on the side.  I didn't deal with the party's financing, so I don't know what KB contributed (aside from her winning smile, that is), though I didn't hear any complaints from LKS.

              Yes, we'll expect you and RonK to recount uhhh, I mean relate your experiences with the recounting process.  Had a brief conversation during the party with a recounter from Snohomish, who indicated that they handle (images of?) even the touch-screen ballots.

              You're only young once, but you can be immature forever -- Larry Andersen

              by N in Seattle on Sun Dec 12, 2004 at 12:27:43 AM PST

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      •  Or more amusingly... (none)
        If the Dems lose the examine-rejected-ballots case, and Gregiore pulls ahead by a tiny margin, might the Republicans not try to appeal the examine-rejected-ballots case to the US Supreme Court, switching sides?

        Ok, almost certainly not, but it would be fun, and that's what the entire WA-Gov race has been about, right, amusing Gustavo?

        76% of dKos readers think I'm a secret wing-nut operative!

        by Gustavo on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 10:52:23 PM PST

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    •  stage is set (none)
      They've already set the stage in case a recount changes the "certified" outcome. On the state republics site WA Republics one is greeted by
      Christine Gregoire is using her lawyers to try to change the rules of a statewide hand recount in the Governor's race. She has lost twice to Dino Rossi, and she isn't willing to accept the results, so now she wants to manipulate the system.

      Who wants to manipulate the system?

      "Reform is the hallmark of a strong Democratic Party." Howard Dean

      by Lahdee on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 05:24:57 PM PST

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      •  True, but (none)
        If the State Supreme Court rules against her and she still wins, their complaints will resonate a lot less than if she wins in court and that win enables her to win the race.  They will, of course, scream either way, but if the rules don't change, and with the Dems paying for the entire state recount, then the people here in Washington State won't listen to them.

        My gut feel is that the Court will not support Gregoire's case, but what do I know.  It sure would be sweet to win this one, especially without the Court getting involved.

      •  Everyone repeat after me ... (4.00)
        You can't steal an election by counting votes.
        You can't steal an election by counting votes.
        You can't steal an election by counting votes.
        You can't steal an election by counting votes.

        I just had to get it out of my system. :~D

        Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

        by Catriana on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 06:18:17 PM PST

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    •  Better to have ... (none)
      the Republicans scream.

      Because if Rossi wins -- I'll be screaming -- and be carted away to the country side to the house with the padded pink walls and I'll be wearing the shirt that ties in the back.

      ...Release the Hounds

      by sara seattle on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 05:58:02 PM PST

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  •  Is anyone else (4.00)
    reminded of Mitt Romney by Rossi? They just look like gigantic dicks.
  •  Are they also adding any uncounted ballots (none)
    To the Presidential, senate and congressional races?

    Or are those races certified?

  •  Yes - I agree with you entirely (none)
    I am just hoping that those incidents gave her a wake-up call - and that she will be up on every little thing that will happen - and have anticipated what might happen.

    For someone so bright -- she does have a side of her that is unsettling.

  •  Snohomish County (none)
    Snohomish and Yakima counties were the only two counties to use touch screen machines.  Snohomish's recount procedure could set precedent for recount of votes cast on touch screens.  Amazingly enough, votes cast on the machines can be downloaded in an electronic format and printed:

    Before the recount can begin here, election officials must first print out paper ballots to record the more than 96,200 votes that were cast on Nov. 2 using touch-screen computer voting machines, Diepenbrock said.

    Each vote was recorded on electronic data cartridges, technology that makes it quick to tally the votes by machine.

    A hand recount - that's another story.

    Starting Wednesday, election officials plan to begin downloading the data to create a computer file for each ballot, saved in the standard portable document format, or pdf, Diepenbrock said.

    The ballots will then be printed out, each on its own sheet of 81/2- by 11-inch paper.

    "We are going to have five different computers with five printers, and they are going to be printing for five days," Diepenbrock said.

    Yet another case for machines that print ballots as soon as voters vote.  Machines print two ballots, voter drops one in a lock box at the polling station and the county retains that for recount purposes.

    Don Rumsfeld: the new Marie Antoinette

    by lapin on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 07:14:04 PM PST

    •  recount (none)
      Didn't someone say that Yakima and Snohomish didn't have to print out all the ballots?

      (I have a headache -- almost feel like I'm fighting the dreaded flu -- so if you inferred that above, I missed it. Oh yeah, recommend my diary... about Congo.  TY.  Very much.)

      Susan in Port Angeles (my cat)

      by SusanHu on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 07:16:39 PM PST

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    •  Thank Heavens Memory Cartidges (none)
      and printers are 100% reliable.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 08:35:58 PM PST

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  •  Observed at the recount... (4.00)
    Just thought I'd pass on something funny (funny "ha ha", not funny "suspicious") I saw at the recount.  A table I was watching spent some time looking at a ballot, when I leaned in to check it out, I saw that the voter had voted for initiatives and the referendum, but filled in the "Write In" slot for all political offices, and wrote in "No One" in each and every one of them.

    Probably a Libertarian.

    And just to clear something up that I read on one of these threads a while ago - King County is not letting observers close to every table.  They've roped off the counting tables, and we're limited to Observing Stations placed around the room.  We are not allowed to roam at all (except for some people designated by the Parties - the rest of us have to be escorted around the room whenever we need to move from our Observation Station).  Most tables are right on the rope line, and it is easy to see if the counting process is going smoothly, but there are tables in the center of the counting tables that are next to impossible to view.  We've joked around about bringing binoculors - but we don't think the King County Sheriffs would be too amused (there are very stringent rules about what we can and cannot bring into the counting room).

    Apparently the State Dems are suing to get the observers a better view - we should hear about that on Monday or Tuesday.

    Just thought you'd all like to know what it's really like at the King County Recount Facility.

  •  Rejected Ballots Argument (none)
    (last time, promise)

    If I understand the process correctly, ballots are rejected only by submitting them to the counting process.

    Therefore rejection is simply one among the several possible ballot "values." Most important, it is no less likely to be overturned on a hand recount than any other ballot "value."

    Hence initially-rejected ballots must be included in a hand recount or any recount.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy....--ML King, "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 08:33:30 PM PST

  •  look guys (none)
    I've posted it before, but the RCW that governs recounts is RCW 29A.64.  Here a cite to get you started.  But go to the law, ok?

    recount law

  •  Oh, and (none)
    Gregoire must certainly be praying that the recount gives her the election.  If not, her career is toast.  The most likely scenario to play out where recount changes result would be the Repubs filing to attack the law or the method of recounting, hoping to get it thrown out.  They don't have any other options under the statute.

    Gregoire is not even on the surface warm and fuzzy so whoever wrote about that above, please disabuse yourself of that notion.  As someone who works in her office told me, "She sucks all the oxygen out of any room she enters."

    And SaraSeattle, please keep in mind that the legislature IS Democratic--both houses.  If you don't think they can serve as a check to the worst impulses of Rossi, then what in the hell good are they?????

  •  Snohomish details: Audit logs (none)
    For those interested in further Snohomish electronic precinct minutiae, there's a pretty active thread at everyone's fave love-hate site, Black Box Voting.

    love/hate link

    While a lot of the discussion is mechanical (how to get text from a PDF file into a workable database or other client) there's some interesting printout of exactly what a Sequoia-brand touch screen system has in its audit log. The group parked over there is attacking from a bunch of different angles. The logs are not logs of specific votes, but the computer program's actions or calling specific code modules.

    Most interesting points to me personally:

  • Some believe the "complete" logs Snohomish put out reflect only the absentee votes (based on #s and the time the logs closed, that is before the precincts closed).
  • There appear to be several precincts where there are more absentee ballots cast than there are registered voters. Apparently. This may be an accounting-reporting anomoly as there was in Cuyahoga County (Ohio) where some precincts appeared to have more votes than voters. Or it may be an indicator of hanky or panky or both.
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