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A U.S. citizen's family has made a credible allegation that the United States urged the Saudi Arabian Government to detain the U.S. citizen without charges and torture him, since they could not.  They have (according to someone from the U.S. attorney's office), among other things, pulled off his finger nails to try to get him to confession to terrorist activities in Virginia.  The Bush administration takes the position that even if it did so, that this was legal.

Originally posted to ohwilleke on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 01:13 PM PST.

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  •  For law geeks . . . (none)
    here is the link to the detailed court ruling, as the trial court has chosen not to dismiss the case out of hand.
    •  i wish the title of your diary was (none)
      more informative because this is a story which requires A LOT more attention.  Its a short road indeed until US citizens are spirited out of the country in the dead of night and brought to some godforsaken country with no qualms about torture, in fact, Im sure it has happened already.

      "let us stand fast in times of darkness"-Julie Billiant

      by cato on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 01:54:26 PM PST

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  •  Thank you for posting (none)
    With every passing day, this administration's lawlessness is further exposed. Where is the Democratic party and its leaders? And aren't you growing tired, as I am, of asking this question?
  •  BTW (none)
    this technique of having foreign countries (who are more ruthless) investigate people on behalf of the U.S. is called rendering.

    It's happened several times in Yemen and Syria that I personally know of.


    Night and day, you can find me Flogging the Simian

    by Soj on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 01:52:26 PM PST

    •  there was a recent story (none)
      in the Boston Globe about a front company in Mass. which owned a plane used for "rendering."  Suspected terrorists were spirited away in the plane, ostensibly by the CIA or some other clandestine service.  The owners of the company had SSN's issued in the mid 1990's.  Shady business.

      "let us stand fast in times of darkness"-Julie Billiant

      by cato on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 01:57:29 PM PST

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  •  Extraordinary rendition (none)
    A little background on Ahmed Abu Ali:

    The alleged remark by Assistant U.S. Attorney Gordon D. Kromberg occurred during a conversation with the lawyer, Salim Ali, in the federal courthouse in Alexandria, according to Ali's affidavit. The document was filed Oct. 12 in connection with a petition by the parents of the detained man, Ahmed Abu Ali, who are seeking his release from Saudi custody.

    The lawyer stated in the affidavit that he asked Kromberg about bringing Abu Ali back to the United States to face charges so as "to avoid the torture that goes on in Saudi Arabia."

    Kromberg "smirked and stated that 'He's no good for us here, he has no fingernails left,' " Salim Ali wrote in his affidavit, adding: "I did not know how to respond [to] the appalling statement he made, and we subsequently ceased our discussion about Ahmed Abu Ali."

    Washington Post

    It is unclear why Abu Ali was arrested. Saudi officials initially suspected that he might be involved in terrorist activities, U.S. officials have said. The Saudi government has since indicated that it would consider handing him over to the United States if formally asked to do so by U.S. officials.

    Soon after his arrest, the FBI became interested in Abu Ali because he knew some of the 11 men in the so-called Virginia jihad network case, who were charged, and later convicted, of conspiracy to wage armed combat against allies of the United States. Three of those defendants were arrested in Saudi Arabia about the same time as Abu Ali and extradited to the United States. Kromberg was one of the prosecutors in that case.

    Abu Ali's parents argue in their court petition that their son's detention is an example of "extraordinary rendition," a practice in which U.S. authorities transfer individuals suspected of terrorist connections to foreign intelligence services that use coercive interrogation techniques illegal in this country.

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