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Alberto Gonzales Revisited

Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 10:54:40 AM PDT

Update [2004-12-28 13:54:40 by Armando]: Promoted from the diaries by Armando. A great piece for telling the story of Alberto Gonzales and his slide into apologist and legal rationalizer for torture.

I saw that the Washington Post has a soft profile piece today on the man soon to be the Attorney General, or head law enforcement officer of the United States, Alberto Gonzales.  I figured it was time for another look at this guy.

Undeniably, Alberto Gonzales rose from quite humble beginnings - starting life in a tiny shack with his 7 brothers and sisters and two non-English speaking (and possibly illegal) migrant parents from Mexico. Entirely through his own efforts, Gonzales joined the military and then the Air Force College (and later Rice University), where he graduated with a political science degree.  He then earned a law degree from Harvard in 1982.

He then had two fortunate events in his career - one was being hired by the immensely powerful Texas law firm of Vinson and Elkins. The other was meeting (then governor of Texas) George W. Bush in 1994, who offered him a job as his general counsel or private lawyer.

Ever since then, he has been one of George Bush's most trusted advisers and Gonzales has profited from that relationship - becoming the Texas Secretary of State (1997), a judge on the Texas Supreme Court (1999), the president's general counsel (2001) and now on the verge of becoming confirmed as the Attorney General of the United States.

Vinson and Elkins is an international law firm and is headed up by a group of very conservative lawyers, some of whom are among the biggest financial contributors to George Bush's electoral campaigns. Vinson and Elkins' largest client was the former energy giant Enron and there are allegations that Gonzales (as the president's counsel) was warned by Vinson and Elkins before Enron collapsed. Gonzales has also played a role in keeping Vice President Cheney's "Energy Task Force" notes from being turned over to the U.S. Congress.

During his tenure as general counsel for the Texas governor (Bush), Gonzales had the responsibility of preparing a brief report on every death row clemency request.  The Atlantic Monthly wrote a scathing article showing how Gonzales failed to include vital information in these reports that Governor Bush relied upon in deciding whether or not to overturn the death penalty - literally a life and death decision.

The Atlantic Monthly article suggests that either Gonzales was quite deficient as an analyst of the legal matters or else was furthering his agenda of enforcing the death penalty.  It was under Gonzales' watch that George Bush approved the execution of Terry Washington, a retarded man, leading to worldwide condemnation (more on this here).

What follows is from an article I wrote back on November 12, 2004.  In light of the fact that FBI memos have come to light which substantiate that George Bush might be liable for prosecution on war crimes, it's a bold act of self-preservation that George Bush has nominated Gonzales as the chief enforcement officer of the laws of the United States.

Alberto Gonzales played a key role in the decision making process of treating men and boys captured in Afghanistan as "illegal combatants" and not "prisoners of war".  It was this process that led to Guantanamo Bay, Bagram, Abu Ghraib, Diego Garcia and other secret detention centers where torture, intimidation and a suspension of human rights have made the United States hated around the world.

A lot of dense legal language was used to transform the detainees into "illegal combatants" so they could be stripped of their rights, and I want to see if I can't unravel this mystery a bit (here is Gonzales' verson of it by the way).

For the record, I will use the word "detainees" instead of "prisoners" because a prisoner is someone charged with a crime.  Only a handful of people captured have ever been charged with a crime, therefore they are only being "detained".

After the American invasion of Afghanistan began on October 7, 2001, the issue of how to treat men and boys captured on the battlefield was raised.  Members of the Bush Administration wanted to hold and interrogate detainees.  However the Geneva Conventions and international law held that anyone captured was a "Prisoner of War", which gives them certain rights and protects them from being interrogated.  Article 17 of the 3rd Convention states:

No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.

Thus the idea was born to classify them as "illegal combatants", evade the protection given to "Prisoners of War" and allow them to be held and interrogated for an infinite amount of time without ever charging them with a crime.

A brief chronology:

January 9, 2002 - At the request of Alberto Gonzales, John Yoo and Robert Delahunty, two Department of Justice employees in the Office of Legal Counsel, wrote a memo to William J. Haynes outlining how to convert the detainees into "illegal combatants".  William J. Haynes is a lawyer working for the Department of Defense.

January 18, 2004 - President Bush "determines" that the detainees are "illegal combatants" and not "Prisoners of War".

January 19, 2002 - Donald Rumsfeld, following the memo his counsel (Haynes) received, instructs the commanders in the field that all detainees are "illegal combatants" and can be interrogated.

January 22, 2002 - the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel write a memo to Haynes and Alberto Gonzales, the President's lawyer, explaining in great detail how and why the President has the power to classify the detainees as "illegal combatants".

January 25, 2002 - Alberto Gonzales writes a memo to the President, confirming the conclusions of the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel and urging the President to classify the detainees as "illegal combatants".

January 26, 2004 - Secretary of State Colin Powell writes a memo to Gonzales, strongly disagreeing with his conclusions and urges the President to reconsider his decision.

The DOJ Office of Legal Counsel is a team of lawyers who, when asked by the President's lawyer (in this case, Gonzales), offer their opinion on the legality of issues.  The DOJ-OLC also gives the President advice on complex constitutional questions.

There were two legal hurdles to overcome to classify captured men and boys as "illegal combatants" rather than "Prisoners of War".  One was the Geneva Conventions, a treaty signed by the United States.  The other was the federal "War Crimes" law.  Let's start with the Geneva Conventions.

There were four separate articles "Geneva Conventions", the first signed in 1864 (treatment of battlefield casualties) and the last one in 1949 (treatment of civilians during wartime).  The Third Geneva Convention specifically details how to treat "Prisoners of War".  Both the United States and Afghanistan have fully ratified all four articles of this treaty, including the additional protocols.

The manner by which Gonzales and the DOJ-OLC got around applying the 3rd Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War (GPW3) was by stating that the treaty only dealt with "wars of an international nature", that is to say, a war between two countries.  They determined that Afghanistan was a "failed State" and therefore, in essence, the United States was intervening in a kind of a "civil war" rather than a war against the nation of Afghanistan.

Gonzales determined Afghanistan was a "failed State" because:

The Taliban did not exercise full control over the territory and people, was not recognized by the international community, and was not capable of fulfulling its international obligations (e.g., was in widespread material breach of its international obligations).

[and because] the Taliban and its forces were, in fact, not a government, but a militant, terrorist-like group.

Using the same logic, many other countries around the world could easily be labeled "failed States".  China does not exercise "full control" over its legal territory (Taiwan).  Neither does India (Kashmir, Assam, etc.), Israel (Gaza Strip), Nigeria (Ijaw) or Pakistan (NWFP) for that matter.

In fact, during President Clinton's invasion of Somalia, this same determination could've been used as well.  Or in Serbia, which did not exercise "full control" over Kosovo.  Or Bosnia or Haiti.  Frankly any nation with serious domestic unrest could be said to "not exercise full control" over its territory and people.

The DOJ-OLC determined that in previous "interventions" (including Viet Nam!), the U.S. had "conduct[ed] operations in such circumstances as if the Geneva Conventions applied".  In other words, the U.S. didn't have to follow the Geneva Conventios before, the United States just generously decided to do so of its own free will.

However at the time of the American invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban controlled about 90% of the territory with only the Panjshir Valley and extreme north being somewhat independent.  Of course this was also true during the years of Soviet occupation as well.

The Taliban government was recognized by SOME of the international community (esp. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia), just not all of it.  I guess the question is how many countries need to recognize your legitimacy before you're legitimate?  David Ben-Gurion declared the "nation of Israel" in 1948, which was recognized by some and not by others (particularly Arab states).  Somaliland and Western Sahara aren't considered legitimate while East Timor and Eritrea are.  Transdniestr and Abkhazia are considered "legitimate" by some and not by others.  And so on...

The charge of being "not capable of fulfilling international obligations" specifically refers to the Taliban's refusal to hand over Usama bin Laden per U.N. Security Council Resolutions 1267 (PDF) and 1214 (PDF) .  Ironically in these Resolutions, there are several references to the "Taliban authorities", thus indirectly referring to them as a kind of government.

And nearly all of the quotes and references to Afghanistan being a "failed" State came from either members of the Bush government themselves or else American allies such as Tony Blair.  It's worth noting here that there is no international definition of what a "failed State" is.

Ironically, Resolution 1214 states:

Any outside interference in the internal affairs of Afghanistan, including the involvementof foreign military personnel and supply of arms and ammunition to all parties to the conflict, should cease immediately.

In a larger sense, many, many nations have failed to heed multiple United Nations Resolutions, including Israel, Turkey and Morocco.  By the same logic, these nations are also "not capable of fulfilling international obligations".

As for "Al-Qaeda" members detained in Afghanistan, these were determined to be members of a terrorist organization and not in any way connected to the "legitimate" Afghan military and therefore did not fall under the classification of "Prisoners of War".

Therefore, the only "legal" combatants in Afghanistan were the Northern Alliance and everyone else, Taliban, Al-Qaeda or otherwise, was a "non-State actor" and therefore an "illegal combatant".  The DOJ-OLC and Alberto Gonzalez determined that the President could suspend the GPW3 anytime he felt like it.  And he did.

Here is some bitter irony from Gonzales' memo to the President:

In response to the argument that should decide to apply GPW to the Taliban in order to encourage other countries to treat captured U.S. military personnel in accordance with the GPW, it should be noted that your policy of providing humane treatment to enemy detainees gives us the credibility to insist on like treatment for our soldiers.

Secretary Powell disagreed with Gonzales' conclusions and stated, in part:

It will reverse over a century of U.S. policy and practice in supporting the Geneva conventions and undermine the protections of the law of war for our troops, both in this specific conflict and in general.

It has a high cost in terms of negative international reaction, with immediate adverse consequences for our conduct of foreign policy.

It will undermine public support among critical allies, making military cooperation more difficult to sustain.

Europeans and others will likely have legal problems with extradition or other forms of cooperation in law enforcement, including in bringing terrorists to justice.

It may provoke some individual foreign prosecutors to investigate and prosecute our officials and troops.

We will be challenged in international fora (UN Commission on Human Rights; World Court; etc.).

Determining GPW does not apply deprives us of a winning argument to oppose habeas corpus actions in U.S. courts.

That last line is the most important one, because that's exactly what happened.  On June 28, 2004, the Supreme Court determined in Rasul V. Bush (PDF) that detainees in Guantanamo Bay DID have the right to habeas corpus.  That's a fancy way to say they could use American courts to challenge why they were being held in the first place.

However there is a key article in GPW3 that Gonzales and the DOJ-OLC decided to overlook, which is Article 5:

Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4 [Prisoners of War], such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal.

In Hamdi v. Bush (PDF) the Supreme Court ruled that "prisoners are presumed to have POW status until a tribunal determines otherwise".  It seems that Bush and Gonzales' current position is that the President (the "competent tribunal") determined, en masse, that all detainees were ineligible for Article 4 (Prisoner of War) protection.

U.S. military regulations 190-8 Section 1-6 state that a tribunal must be held and yet this is only just now beginning to happen.  And although no "foreign prosecutor" has ever taken up this issue, it would seem fairly clear that Bush's decision to "suspend" GPW3 for detainees is in violation of international law.

Let's review:

Alberto Gonzales, the President's lawyer, asked the DOJ-OLC to find a way to indefinitely hold and interrogate captured men and boys in Afghanistan.  Their collective finding was that detainees were not subject to GPW3 protections and therefore could be held indefinitely without being charged.

Using a variety of legal tactics, the Bush administration held off until June 28, 2004 all requests by the detainees to challenge their detention.  The Bush administration also ignored Article 5 requirements to grant POW status to all detainees until a tribunal determined otherwise.  And until 2004, no tribunals were ever held to determine POW status.

Now let's review American domestic law, USC 18 § 2441, dealing with "War Crimes".  Since it's short, I'll publish the entire thing:

(a)  Offense.-- Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (b), shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death.

(b) Circumstances.-- The circumstances referred to in subsection (a) are that the person committing such war crime or the victim of such war crime is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 101 of the Immigration and Nationality Act).

(c) Definition.-- As used in this section the term "war crime" means any conduct--

(1) defined as a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed at Geneva 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party;

(2) prohibited by Article 23, 25, 27, or 28 of the Annex to the Hague Convention IV, Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, signed 18 October 1907;

(3) which constitutes a violation of common Article 3 of the international conventions signed at Geneva, 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party and which deals with non-international armed conflict; or

(4) of a person who, in relation to an armed conflict and contrary to the provisions of the Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices as amended at Geneva on 3 May 1996 (Protocol II as amended on 3 May 1996), when the United States is a party to such Protocol, willfully kills or causes serious injury to civilians.

It would seem pretty obvious that (c)(1) would be the applicable section here, but what is a "grave breach"?  GPW3 Article 130 states:

Grave breaches to which the preceding Article relates shall be those involving any of the following acts, if committed against persons or property protected by the Convention: wilful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments, wilfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, compelling a prisoner of war to serve in the forces of the hostile Power, or wilfully depriving a prisoner of war of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed in this Convention.

Even assuming that the torture and "great suffering" at Abu Ghraib, Bagram and other locations were the exception, it would seem that the last line about "fair and regular trial" constitutes a grave breach.

The DOJ-OLC used about 10 pages of legal jargon to determine that, since GPW3 didn't apply, Article 131 also didn't apply and therefore the U.S. was not in "grave breach" of the treaty since the treaty itself was suspended on the order of the President.  The DOJ-OLC language also states that the Geneva Conventions were signed before terrorism was a real factor, and therefore don't adequately address a "War on Terror" and therefore don't fully apply.

In other words, the President determined GPW3 didn't apply therefore he unilaterally interpreted an international treaty and thus determined himself that he was not in violation of possible domestic War Crimes charges.

Since George Bush was recently re-elected, it's highly unlikely that any federal prosecutor will attempt to bring War Crimes charges under USC 18 § 2441 against the President or his administration.

What makes this even more onerous is that anyone who carries out Bush's orders may be committing War Crimes themselves.  This is because of the "Nuremburg rule" wherein Nazi soldiers were not excused from their conduct simply because they were given orders by their government.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is how men and boys from many lands who were captured in Afghanistan were held without charge, interrogated and denied their rights as defined under the Third Geneva Convention.

Alberto Gonzales, as the President's Counsel, played a significant role in furthering this decision and this should be taken into consideration during his confirmation hearings as the next Attorney General of the United States, the man George Bush says "embodies the American dream".

This article also appears on my blog and you are humbly invited to pay me a visit there.

Pax

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  •  Did you cross post at LSF? (none / 1)

    Cuz I want to promote this but not if you have it at LSF, don't want to step on their traffic.

    Everybody dies alone.

    by Armando on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 10:05:00 AM PDT

  •  Excellent recap (4.00 / 4)

    Thanks for the recap Soj - I think we should all use this info in emails and letters to the congress critters and Senators.

    One minor beef - lots of people came from really tough childhoods and didn't become megalomaniacs!  A lot of us spend time trying to help those in a similar place now.

    Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. Voltaire 1694-1778

    by SallyCat on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 10:14:39 AM PDT

  •  this is an excellent diary (none / 1)

    This is just the sort of work journalists (real ones who understand the duty of a free press)  should be doing, and reporting to the American public.

    Thank you.

    Recommended.

    "I don't want to name names, but they know themselves." Koffi Annan

    by Sue in NH on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 10:18:27 AM PDT

    •  Are you saying (4.00 / 35)

      I'm not a real journalist? :)

      I am one actually, just not working for a business and getting a paycheck.  Instead, I rely solely upon reader donations.  Crazy, eh?  On one hand I live right above the poverty line but on the other hand I write what I wish and answer to no political agenda other than my own.

      Beautiful actually...

      Pax

      Night and day you can find me Flogging the Simian

      by Soj on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 10:34:19 AM PDT

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  •  Superb diary, Soj (none / 1)

    It's amazing that the inane press coverage of Gonzalez doesn;t even begin to scratch the surface of his role in America's decision to walk away from international law.
  •  Brand him (4.00 / 3)

    Label him, nickname him, whatever, tie his unscrupulous ass to the shame he has brought upon our nation.

    My suggestion: Alberto "El Torturador" Gonzales

    El Torturador needs to be stopped.

  •  I agree with your excellent analysis (4.00 / 5)

    and I'm sure many here do as well.  Thanks for your work on it.

    Unfortunately, our "leadership" is unwilling to deny George Bush the "executive priviledge" of appointing his cabinet:

    November 18, 2004

    WASHINGTON - Alberto Gonzales' confirmation as attorney general appeared all but assured yesterday after he met with a leading Senate Democrat, who predicted that Gonzales would win Senate approval despite his stances on the Geneva Conventions and other contentious legal issues.

    Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, who is the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, told reporters after meeting with Gonzales for 35 minutes that he believed the Bush adviser would win "substantial votes on both sides of the aisle" when his nomination comes before the Senate.

    "The president could have picked a polarizing figure," Leahy said. "He did not. I applaud him for that."

    Senator Leahy, are we sharing the same reality?

    The lesson of Bernie Kerik is that Leahy's attitude is complete bullshit.  Bush deserves no priviledge in his cabinet nominations.  He needs to be made accountable for this.  This is an issue of principles and Dems have an opportunity to use Gonzales' hearings to put that on display.  One of them must have the ability to communicate to Americans the stain Gonzales' actions have left on our country.  We in the field can not allow the right wing noise machine to portray objection to Gonzales' nomination as mere obstruction.

    •  Senate Judiciary Committee (none / 1)

      Here's are the members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, the folks who will be conducting Abu Gonzales' hearings.  Contact links here:
      Republicans: (10)

      Orrin Hatch (UT)

      Charles Grassley (IA)

      Arlen Specter (PA)

      Jon Kyl (AZ)

      Mike DeWine (OH)

      Jeff Sessions (AL)

      Lindsey Graham (SC)

      Larry Craig (ID)

      Saxby Chambliss (GA)

      John Cornyn (TX)

      Democrats: (9)

      Patrick Leahy (VT)

      Edward Kennedy (MA)

      Joseph Biden (DE)

      Herbert Kohl (WI)

      Dianne Feinstein (CA)

      Russ Feingold (WI)

      Charles Schumer (NY)

      Richard Durbin (IL)

      John Edwards (NC)

    •  The lesson of Bernie Kerik (4.00 / 2)

      is that we have to check if Gonzalez also hired an illegal as nanny. That may be the only way not to confirm him. There's a recent precedent as you know :)

      Restore Democracy! Denounce the GOP (Georgie's Orwellian Party)!

      by high5 on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:32:05 AM PDT

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      •  Rather, to see whether corruption (none / 0)

        is his sole source of glee or just a hobby, in which case he'll confess to illegal nanniness and cite it as his reason for cashing out, isn't that what Kerick did?

        (0+ / 0-), (0+ / 0-), it's off to kos I go...

        by doorguy on Wed Dec 29, 2004 at 01:15:41 AM PDT

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  •  Why isn't he being challenged? (4.00 / 6)

    There couldn't be a more cogent, fact-filled argument against this man--he's clearly got no sense about the rule of law--yet the congressional Democratic Brain Trust has decided that "this isn't the time to be obstructionist."

    Egad.

    I cannot imagine a better person as Exhibit A of how radically incompetent BushCo really is than Alberto Gonzales. Someday soon, we're going to have to start opposing these racially-tinged ultra-conservative nominations with some argument against supporting any and all ethnicities-of-the-day because they bode well for Republican demographics.

    I'd suggest Democrats start pulling the "government-in-exile" stunt, propose some other Hispanic nominee who doesn't shit on the rights afforded by the rule of law, and then get busy attacking Gonzales 24/7.

    Pelosi? Reid? Are you with us or against us?

    •  Even if the Senate Dems decide they can't block (none / 1)

      Gonzales for AG, because of the deference the president enjoys for cabinet appointments, note that one of the judicial nominees that Bush just renominated is William Haynes, mentioned in the article as General Counsel of DOD in 2001-2, and author of at least one torture memo himself.  If the torture issue can't be used to block Gonzales for AG, it should at least be used to block Haynes.

      The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

      by lysias on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:16:39 AM PDT

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    •  Working on rebuttal (4.00 / 3)

      As far as I can tell, according to the response I received from Sen Chris Dodd "a President of either party is to be accorded a measure of deference in nominating members of the executive branch, who serve temporary rather than lifetime tenures."

      I think the mounting evidence of Gonzales's involvement in authorizing torture, and the fact that the Atty Gen would be investigating the Executive Branch's possible authorization of the use of torture, should be enough to sink Gonzales's nomination.

      Like I said, I've been working on a response - will probably post later on tonight or tomorrow.

      "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

      by grannyhelen on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:17:35 AM PDT

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      •  The Senate has its advisory role (4.00 / 2)

        re: executive nominations for exactly the reason we're so riled up about Gonzales:

        1. the man is clearly unfit to be the chief law official in the nation,
        2. Bush is using him to shield himself from legal recriminations of his abuse of C-in-Chief powers.

        This is classic checks-and-balances! If congressional Dems can't see this and make the argument, then they ought to . . . . well, "eat me" is the best I can come up with right now.

        Look forward to your post, grannyhelen.

      •  I will respond to Senator Dodd (4.00 / 2)

        Dear Senator Dodd,
        If these were more ordinary times, I would agree that a "measure of deference" should be accorded the president in his cabinet nominations.  These are no ordinary times.  I myself am a mere peon in the great order of things, not wise to the social graces those of Washington DC allow one another.  "Oh, if we make noise about this nomination, then one day, the other side may make similar problems for us if we put forth a "problematic" candidate."  I have a solution and a suggestion.  Don't put forth problematic (i.e. ethically challenged) candidates and do not defer to torture.

        With all due respect,
        Lapin

        •  I was thinking of something... (none / 1)

          ...a little more, well, something that really layed out the major reasons for not approving him.  But I understand the emotional response - really, I do.  Check out the link - my initial email to him was very similar.

          "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

          by grannyhelen on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:55:39 AM PDT

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      •  i am iinterested in what you come up with (none / 0)

        he is in bed with the executive. common dreams had an article about this ytesterday i believe.

        he cannot be a mouth piece for the chimp.

        besides they give this jerk deference on everything the time of day you name it.  i wrote schumer and kennedy.

    •  With regard to being challenged (none / 0)

      Every state has rules for admitted attorneys and a mechanism by which complaints can be filed regarding a lawyer's behavior that allegedly breaks those rules. In other words, people often complain about their lawyers for misconduct of all sorts including misappropriation of funds, not properly handling their case, etc.

      Has anyone complained about Gonzales' behavior - the torture memos, lying under oath before Congress - to the appropriate committee in the State in whic he is licensed.

      Of course it won't go anywhere, but it is another recognized recourse within the legal system.

    •  Ann Coulter (none / 0)

      I had Fox news in the background yesterday (I know, I know), and Ann Coulter came on.  I had never seen/heard her before.  Anyway, she said the dems were racists because we opposed Gonzales and Clarence Thomas.  She is truly an odious woman.

      I do not know what weapons World War III will be fought with. World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. -- Albert Einstein

      by elveta on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 01:26:17 PM PDT

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  •  an obedient, fat, mexican chihuahua (4.00 / 4)

    i am mexican so i can call him a tio taco, any table scrap from the gringoes table makes him all so happy.
    'common dreams' had an article about how he is like all the other people that 'w' has surrounded himself. they all say yes yes and more yes to this small minded person, el presidente.
    in a sense he is worse than ashpot, ashcroft.  you knew that ashcroft was coming from some perverted right wing christian sickness, ole alberti will do anythhing that 'w' tells me to justify.  be it all those blacks that he served the death penalty to in texas, and 'quaint' internatinal law.

    some say he will get in, no problem. i hope not.
    bush has surrounded himself with people who hold up little hand mirrors so 'w' wont freak out.

  •  Question on recognition... (3.66 / 3)

    ...Anyone know how Gonzales got around the fact that 1. the US invited the Taliban to visit the White House and 2. gave the Taliban foreign aid in the summer of 2001, before 9-11?

    Maybe we didn't "officially" recognize the Taliban, but these 2 acts by the US government indicates that our immediate intent at that time was to work toward recognition...but then again, that was in our "pre September 11th mindset".

    Wanted to see if anyone knows if this issue has ever been addressed.

    "The revolution's just an ethical haircut away..." Billy Bragg

    by grannyhelen on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:12:04 AM PDT

    •  from cooperativeresearch.org (none / 1)

       

      July 21, 2001  

             Three American officials, Tom Simons (former US Ambassador to Pakistan), Karl Inderfurth (former Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian Affairs) and Lee Coldren (former State Department expert on South Asia) meet with Pakistani and Russian intelligence officers in a Berlin hotel. [Salon, 8/16/02] It is the third of a series of back-channel conferences called "brainstorming on Afghanistan." Taliban representatives sat in on previous meetings, but boycotted this one due to worsening tensions. However, the Pakistani ISI relays information from the meeting to the Taliban. [Guardian, 9/22/01] At the meeting, former US State Department official Lee Coldren passes on a message from Bush officials. He later says, "I think there was some discussion of the fact that the United States was so disgusted with the Taliban that they might be considering some military action." [Guardian, 9/26/01] Accounts vary, but former Pakistani Foreign Secretary Niaz Naik later says he is told by senior American officials at the meeting that military action to overthrow the Taliban in Afghanistan is planned to "take place before the snows started falling in Afghanistan, by the middle of October at the latest." The goal is to kill or capture both bin Laden and Taliban leader Mullah Omar, topple the Taliban regime and install a transitional government of moderate Afghans in its place. Uzbekistan and Russia would also participate (see also December 19, 2000, March 15, 2001 and June 26, 2001). Naik also says "it was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taliban." [BBC, 9/18/01] One specific threat made at this meeting is that the Taliban can choose between "carpets of bombs" --an invasion-- or "carpets of gold" --the pipeline. [Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth] Niaz Naik says Tom Simons made the "carpets"statement. Simons claims: "It's possible that a mischievous American participant, after several drinks, may have thought it smart to evoke gold carpets and carpet bombs. Even Americans can't resist the temptation to be mischievous." Naik and the American participants deny that the pipeline was an issue at the meeting. [Salon 8/16/02] [FTW]

    •  Taliban in Texas (none / 0)

      Don't forget also that Bush hosted the Taliban in Texas, as seen in "F 9/11"

      "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."-- Isaac Asimov.

      by ssundstoel on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 01:12:17 PM PDT

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  •  In deciding that Taliban Afghanistan was a failed (4.00 / 3)

    state, that DOJ/OLC memo totally ignored the fact that the Taliban had succeeded in suppressing opium poppy growing more or less throughout Afghanistan (and received U.S. Dept. of State money as a reward for that, so the success was recognized by the U.S. government).  That's how much control that government had.

    The influence of the [executive] has increased, is increasing, and ought to be diminished.

    by lysias on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:13:27 AM PDT

  •  Enron's lawyer (4.00 / 2)

    In the past, people have said that Torture Guy was Enron's lawyer. The information you provided isn't quite that solid -- you say he worked for Vinson & Elkins, and Enron was that firm's biggest client. V&E has hundreds of lawyers and many clients, however, and so it really isn't clear that Torture Guy worked on Enron matters while at V&E.

    Do you or anyone else have specific information in response to that issue? I don't want to be sloppy by saying that Torture Guy was also Enron's lawyer, if it ain't true.

    In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

    by Paul in Berkeley on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:25:27 AM PDT

    •  As a question of Legal Ethics (none / 0)

      in fact he was Enron's lawyer - as were all attorneys at Vinson & Elkins.

      But I see your point and don't know the answer.

      Everybody dies alone.

      by Armando on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:46:43 AM PDT

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      •  On the other hand... (none / 1)

        On the other hand, the truth never got in the Republicans' way. We might as well say that Torture Guy was Enron's lawyer.  That will simply force the Republicans to sputter and fuss while they try to explain that he wasn't.

        In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

        by Paul in Berkeley on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:49:10 AM PDT

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        •  Torture Boy Gonzalez is a Bush puppet (none / 0)

          Torture Boy is probably Bush's pet phrase for this enabler.  His memo is all about evading the clearly written law with many convoluted arguments that  add up to this:  Bush is the mighty dictator and can do whatever the hell he wants.

          Gonzalez should not be confirmed, if he is with minimal fuss it is an indicator of the weak will of the spineless Dems.

          It is time to fight against Bush on every appointment, but especially this torture-loving legal puppet.

          Torture Bush with Gonzales

  •  Questions About Gonzales (none / 0)

    This is somewhat off topic, but I am curious.  It seems very odd to me that he left the Air Force Academy and then finished college (undergrad) at Rice--and in Poly Sci.  Rice was known as the MIT/CalTech of Texas.  It's a math and science place and it's a place you go all 4 years.  In times past, you did not transfer in.  Frequently, students got scholarships.  In earlier years there were issues about Rice's white white white student body.  This has been fixed, I guess.
    As far as the Air Force Academy goes, like all service academies one generally has to be recommended by a legislator.  So, both on the Academy front and the Rice front, it would seem Gonzales had come to someone's attention.  Wonder who?
    •  Air Force College not equal to Air Force Academy (4.00 / 3)

      IIRC the Air Force College is the continuing education system of the Air Force that lets you take classes in your spare time while you are serving.  Few people can finish a degree within a tour of duty (unless it is very long).  You then enter a regular college upon mustering out with some college credits, some GI bill $$ (which is what many people sign up for in the first place) and admission to a regular college.

      Rice is not just a science/technical place, it is a full fledged multi-disciplinary university, but it is one of the cheapest tuition private colleges in the nation due to its very large endowment.

      I would image that an interesting life story, the maturity that comes with Air Force service, decent grades in Air Force College, and GI bill $$ would be more than enough to interest Rice in admitting you.

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire

      by ohwilleke on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:33:54 AM PDT

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    •  Social sciences at technical schools (none / 0)

      MIT has both Economics and Political Science Depts.  For that matter they used to have an English Dept, although I thought I had read they outsourced it to another university in Boston.

      A math-and-science focused university can be an excellent place to study the social sciences, as there are plenty of very smart people around to bounce new ideas off but perhaps not quite as much competition as at, say, Georgetown.

      sPh

  •  In July 2004, Gonzales hosted a session of (4.00 / 3)

    Ask the White House.  Here is an excerpt from that session:


    Nancy, from Colorado writes:
    What is the administration's position on the use of torture?

    Alberto Gonzales
    The President has stated that this Administration does not condone torture. If anyone engages in such conduct, he or she will be held accountable.

    I couldn't agree more.

  •  Apologies for reposting this... (4.00 / 2)

    ...from an earlier comment on another thread a few days ago, but we report, you decide:

    In order to give effect to the terms of the London Agreement of 8 August 1945,and to establish a uniform legal basis in Germany for the prosecution of war criminals and other similar offenders, the Control Council enacted Control Council Law No. 10, Punishment of Persons Guilty of War Crimes, Crimes Against Peace and Against Humanity, December 20, 1945, 3 Official Gazette Control Council for Germany 50-55 (1946).

    This is what it says:

    1. Each of the following acts is recognized as a crime:

        a) Crimes against Peace. Initiation of invasions of other countries and wars of aggression in violation of international laws and treaties, including but not limited to planning, preparation, initiation or waging a war of aggression, or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements, or assurances, or participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the foregoing.

        b) War Crimes. Atrocities or offences against persons or property, constituting violations of the laws or customs of war, including but not limited to, murder, ill treatment or deportation to slave labour or for any other purpose of civilian population from occupied territory, murder or ill treatment of prisoners of war or persons on the seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.

        c) Crimes against Humanity. Atrocities and offences, including but not limited to murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, imprisonment, torture, rape, or other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds whether or not in violation of the domestic laws of the country where perpetrated.

    OVER HERE: AN AMERICAN EXPAT IN THE SOUTH OF FRANCE, is now available on Amazon US

    by Lupin on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:29:49 AM PDT

  •  Write congress -- Gonzales is a monster (4.00 / 3)

    The Center for Constitutional Rights is urging people to write their congresspersons demanding they say 'Nay' to Gonzales.

    It's really not okay for Dems to roll over on this one. This guy was the architect of Abu Ghraib and Gitmo. Before that, he stood between the condemned of Texas' Death Row and Gov. W, and told his boss to let 'em swing every time. This guy is a monster, a million times worse than Ashcroft. We can be sure he's eager to do to our civil liberties what he's done for torture. He must not pass without a fight.  

    "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin

    by Septic Tank on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:34:30 AM PDT

  •  Tedd Rall put it well today (4.00 / 2)

  •  I don't know what's scarier... (4.00 / 2)

    His views on the Geneva Convention or his role as assistant to the executioner during the Bush administration in Texas? I have read snippets of his Texas memos to Bush recommending no clemency. and I wonder if HE read the petitions...Also, Bush always claimed there was little he could do about executions, but he did stop the execution of Henry Lee Lucas from behind the scenes before the BPP reported to him.  Too embarrassing even for Bush to execute a guy for a murder when the proof shows the defendant was not in the state that day.  

    He'll get some questions from Biden, Schumer and others on Judiciary, but they will not hold up his confirmation.

    Ashcroft was a known idiot.  Gonzalves isn't, and that makes him a lot scarier to me...people keep telling me how thankful they are that Ashcroft is going.  Well, look down the road, what's coming is worse.  This guy gives zealous representation of your client an extremely bad name.

    We do not rent rooms to Republicans.

    by Mary Julia on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:45:36 AM PDT

    •  agreed (none / 0)

      he knows how to manipulate the language of the law. and he knows what makes his master happy.
      unflinching loyalty.  
      i agree its like goring or whoever who  did all those nasty terrible things for hitler.  when the imagination of the mind reigns free and when you know you make up the rule of law.
      mr 'w' is truly the most powerful man on the planet.
      his own supreme court, his lackeys control the HOuse and Senate, and now his own private attorney annoited Attorney Torquemada.

      Can it get any better?

    •  Officially Governor cannot stop executions (none / 1)

      only postpone once.  I think Gore missed an opportunity for a two-fer on this point in 200 campaign.   Constitutionally the Governor of Texas is the weakest in the nation, and the point cold hae been made that unliek any other governor he does NOT have the power to grant clemency to all those people who were executed -- this would ahve reminded people not only of all the executions, but the fact that officially Bush could not do anything about them.  That might have provided a context for his smarminess in the Karla Faye Tucker case, attested to by Tucker Carlson, including Bush's lying about what he had seen on TV [just like he did again on 9-11   ...   a pattern, anyone?]

      That said, I agree with Mary Julia that he had effectiv control of BPP and could ahve done something had he wanted to ..   mind you, BPP is supposed to be independent, but when did little niceties like that ever bother Bush.

      In fairness to Gonzalez, when functioning as a lwayer he is always as vigorous as he can be for his cllient's interests as he sees them.    e saw a diffrent side of him on the Txas Supreme Court, when he slapped down Priscilla Owen.  BTW, isn't it that slapdown which is one reason the wingnut right doesn't wnat him the Court?   After all, with a lifetime appointment he  could turn out to be far more moderate than many believe.

      Last point, returning to the issue of his being a vigorous advocate for his client.   What the Senators should be attempting to determine is who or what he sees as his client in his role as putative Attorney General.  If it is the president or the administration, in my mind that should in itself be enough to disqualify him.  We have seen far to many cases of that on both the right and the left.  For me the model has always been Edward levi, who was compeltely independent of the Ford Administration, and saw his role as being the principal lawyer for the American people.  

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 01:04:09 PM PDT

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  •  More reading (none / 0)

    This weeks Newsweek had an interesting article about Gonzales.  Much of the same information you point out in your diary.  They also had a good article on Obama.  Check it out.

    Welcome to Bizarro World.

    by starkness on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:55:15 AM PDT

  •  he's not the fight to make (none / 0)

    Dodd's right to an extent. Bush'd pick another jerk.  the AG is a temporary position. And the Dem's can drag him through the dirt any time they want.  the real prize and the real fight is the Supreme Court, and the other re-nominations. that's for life. that's the fight you'll need the moderate repubs to drag through the dirt. like Michael Corleone said "this isn't personal, this is business".
    •  But torture is always the fight to make (4.00 / 3)

      Gonzales has "greenlighted" George's typically hypocritical approach of "winking and blinking" at torture - actually, promoting it through the CIA, the military and client foreign gvmts - while publicly claiming to be law-abiding.

      As one of the biggest "elephants in the living room" torture must be spoken of as part of the Bushites' compassionate fascism.  

      And the record makes clear that Gonzales is one of the biggest enablers of Bush's pro-torture machismo.

    •  The Supremes.. (none / 0)

      I've seen the argument made that the AG's office is his last step toward the SCOTUS. He gets his "cred" through the easy confirmation process this time and sails into the Court later.

      There is nothing natural about the abomination of modern factory farming and its attempt to reduce living, feeling beings to machines. -Stephen Walsh, Ph.D.

      by timerigger on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 02:27:53 PM PDT

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    •  Fight for every inch... Call it a Radical Agenda.. (4.00 / 2)

      Delegitimize them at every turn. They are pushing a far right agenda. There is nothing moderate about it.

      I say fight this one, even if we have no way of winning. There is a bigger picture which we should be painting, and that is of a Republican agenda which is dangerous to the future of this country.

      Usually a candidate only has to run against one Party. Ned Lamont had to fight the entire CT Rep Party, and 1/3 of the CT Dem Party. No wonder he lost.

      by DeanFan84 on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 03:07:23 PM PDT

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  •  Remember that the job of general counsels, (none / 1)

    especially political general counsels, is to find legal ways for their clients to legally get what the clients want done!  Do not blame the counsels for doing their jobs.  All that is said here is likely correct, but it only represents a legal implementation plan/vision for the wishes of the Boss, the Bush Administration!  That's where the blame always should lie!
    •  Well (none / 0)

      You may not remember, but the attorney client privilege does not extend to government lawyers and individual government officials.

      The government lawyer's client is the United States of America, Gonzales was our lawyer not Bush's.

      Ken Starr established that precedent.

      Everybody dies alone.

      by Armando on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 12:24:07 PM PDT

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      •  No (none / 1)

        I believe the general counsel to the president is the presidents legal advisor.  It may be true that he does not have the usual attorney client priveleges, but so what.  Just don't write down what you do not what others to see, and/or do make public what is going to be done anyway.  

        I just am against people trying once again to not blame George Bush for what actually happened, as if this legal counsel was the policy maker.  He may help initiate the atmosphere for a certain policy, but not the the origins of the desire for such a policy!

        It's Bush or his top level handlers that are to blame, IMO.

        •  You are against what? (none / 1)

          I don't follow your comment - did you read the diary?  Geez, your comment is a nonsequitor.  You are fighting windmills of your own creation.

          Everybody dies alone.

          by Armando on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 12:36:51 PM PDT

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        •  But this is in the context of (4.00 / 2)

          whether Gonzalez should be confirmed to be the countries most important defender of the law.

          We're building a case that he doesn't have the character to defend it when asked to ignore it.

          It doesn't exonerate Bush, but Bush isn't the focus of the topic.

        •  policy enacted vs. agents of change (none / 0)

          Bush enacts the policy...ok. and w/o Bush none of it happens...ok.  BUT Bush is here and the point is that w/o Gonzales the issue is moot (i.e., who knows how someone else would have performed in that role).

          Check out this human rights policy redux and tell me Gonzales wasn't a major player -- making suggestions and looking a things in new ways, etc.  From what I've seen it's not clear at all that Gonzales was taking direct orders 24x7 -- he's thinking and acting alone to forward an agenda.

          You're talking about the "Buck Stops Here" but Gonzales is an agent of change, on the ground, taking action, pushing forward Bush's agenda to "clarify" human rights.

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          by drh on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 10:26:12 PM PDT

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          •  Going for the jugular (none / 0)

            Bush and his leadership circle have an unsavory and likely unconstitutionalk agenda which they are hell-bent on accomplishing.  Attacking the White House Counsel instead of the forces truly behind this agenda will not stop the agenda onslaught.  George Bush is in the power position that he is in today because his loyal opposition cannot seem to get to him, instead attacking underlings that at the most just resign when the going gets tough.  This still leaves Bush and his power circle to do their thing.  We see this happening over and over.

            I do not really know whether Alberto Gonzales is just trying to keep his job by pleasing the president or is actually in the power circle.  No matter.  If the paradigm of letting the buck go everywhere but where it belongs continues, then much effort will continue to be wasted chasing windmills instead of going for the jugular.  That is my entire point here!

      •  A lawyer, (4.00 / 2)

         especially, a U.S. Government lawyer, should, repeat SHOULD, have an aura of integrity that's beyond reproach.

         Again, our canon of ethics, our Rules of Professional Responsibility, expect this of us.  Gonzales has proved over and over again to have a slippery concept of ethics and seems very conflicted when it comes to exactly who his client is:  The People, not some jack-leg, poor-little-rich-brat, political moron hack like W. Bush.

         He diminishes the Bar.  He diminishes the Profession.  He diminishes the Nation as a whole.

         BenGoshi
        ________________

        "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

        by BenGoshi on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 03:41:50 PM PDT

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        •  What forum will determine this? (none / 0)

          If I were O.J. Simpson, I would want my lawyer to do everything this side of legal to get my wishes fulfilled.  If my lawyer did this and got me off, I would consider him a great lawyer!  However, if he was later found to have practiced the law in a malpractice manner, I would expect his law license to be suspended by some review body so others would be protected from this substandard lawyer.  

          Where am I going with this?  I am no fan of GWB, but if he finds a brilliant lawyer that can legally finesse what he wants done to happen, then more power to that lawyer.  It is still GWB's fault, IMO, for asking to go down a non-savory path.  If in the process, this lawyer may violate legal standards, then what or where is the proper venue this to be proven, and for him to be disciplined?

    •  A lawyer also has a duty to render independent (4.00 / 3)

      professional judgment.

      Enron's counsel (and its auditor) failed in that respect, urging on a document destruction policy that resulted in the demise of both Enron and Arthur Anderson (HUGE COMPANIES!!!), and earlier on Enron's counsel failed in its responsibility to alert Enron to the fact that it was engaging in criminal activity and in failing to withdraw from that representation of a client when it failed to cease its criminal activities.  This fail, in the end, harmed Enron.

      Likewise, a government lawyer, when engaged, as Gonzales was, in the role of providing counsel to his client, rather than advocacy in litigation, has a solemn obligation to fairly state the law, rather than to encourage defiance of it.  He failed in this regard.  A good lawyer would have said that there are lines which can be cross which will violate international law and insisted from both a policy and legal perspective that those lines not be crossed.  This bad judgment has seriously harmed the national security and international esteem of the United States.

      Also, keep in mind that a lawyer for Enron is not a lawyer for the CEO of Enron, or even for its control group.  A lawyer who represents a corporation is a lawyer for the entity, and has to act in the entity's best interests, he may not simply carry out the whims of the CEO.  Similar principals, indeed stronger ones, apply at times when Gonzales is acting as a government lawyer (as opposed to those times when he is acting as a personal lawyer for George W. Bush the individual).

      A lawyer with a track record of bad judgment deserved to be fired, not promoted.

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire

      by ohwilleke on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 12:39:57 PM PDT

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  •  Move... (none / 1)

    more of the extended text into the main text box now that it's on the main page, please.  It looks as if it's a dinky little entry, and not the real, whomping, sickening, careful examination that it really is.  
  •  Small point (4.00 / 4)

    In fact, during President Clinton's invasion of Somalia, this same determination could've been used as well.

    Clinton did not invade Somalia, that was initiated by George H. W. Bush when US military forces began "Operation Restore Hope" December 3, 1992.

    •  what? Clinton's NOT to blame for everything? (none / 0)

      This was a good catch, and something of which many in the prss should be reminded.

      It is in the category that most of the slaughtering of his own people done by Saddam was in the wake of two failed revolts after the first Gulf war, encouraged by Bush 41 administration, but  not backed.  And Saddam was able to act with impunity becaus he could use his helicpoters, something agreed to by Stormin' Norman.

      But then maybe Norman looked into the souls fo the Iraqi generals?  [yes, that is a snakr].  Like Scowcroft and Eagleburger, because they had both served ikn the Embassy in belgrade, believed they could do business with Milosevich, and thus created most of the mess that the former Yugoslavia became  -- remember, Milosevich telegraphed what he was going to do with his speech in 1989 on the 500 anniversary of the Battle of Kosovo Polje. Yet Clintont takes most of the blame yet again.

      I realize that most of this comment is off thread, but it is a part of a much larger pattern.  And thanks for giving one neede example of reminder and clarification.

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 01:10:37 PM PDT

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  •  Soj, would you mind... (none / 0)

    ...if I used some of your text and ideas in an adaption of this post I've been meaning to adapt as a "why we should impeach" document? I'd probably E-mail it round a good few people, and I don't want to crib your stuff if you'd rather I didn't.
    Thanks.
  •  Powell's Response (4.00 / 2)

    MSNBC has copies of Powell's memo to Gonzales predicting the habaes challenges and consequences in the international community. The first paragraph:

    I appreciate the opportunity to comment on the draft memorandum. I am concerned that the draft does not squarely present to the President the options that are available to him. Nor does it identify the significant pros and cons of each option. I hope that the final memorandum will make clear (the President's choice)...

    So Powell says the memo isn't playing it straight. Why should he get a pass from Dems in the Senate when Colin Powell has already called Gonzales on his twisted logic?

  •  ACLU uncovers Executive Order for torture (none / 0)

    This may be old hat around here, but did anyone check out ACLU's article:

    FBI E-Mail Refers to Presidential Order Authorizing Inhumane Interrogation Techniques: Newly Obtained FBI Records Call Defense Department's Methods "Torture," Express Concerns Over "Cover-Up" That May Leave FBI "Holding the Bag" for Abuses

    I tried to google this, but yet again only the indy's are covering it. How the hell can the mainstream media ignore (repress?) this?.

    Fixing Republican screw-ups: it's what Democrats have been doing for 100 years

    by SonofFunk on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 02:00:24 PM PDT

    •  Yeh, and -- (none / 0)

       -- the Media Whores have ignored or buried it.  Doesn't square with their narrative of Bush = Jesus.

       BenGoshi
      ________________

      "We in the gloam, old buddy," he said, "We definitely right in the middle of it." -Larry Brown

      by BenGoshi on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 03:33:44 PM PDT

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    •  Legacy media (none / 0)

      owned by entrenched interests that want this to go away.
    •  not surprising, ugh (none / 0)

      it's complicated and a non-issue as far as they're concerned.  it reminds me of the AWOL project -- "we have to read documents ?!? and connect the dots ?!?"

      i wrote all my congress folks about this appointment a few times -- i doubt it's getting much attention in their offices.  i got one reply from my Rep and she gave a non-action answer:

      Thank you for contacting me to express your concern with President Bush's appointment of Alberto Gonzales to serve as Attorney General.  I appreciate the opportunity to learn of your thoughts.   

      As you may know, the Senate, not the House of Representatives, is responsible for confirming Presidential nominations. Through a committee process, Senators may conduct hearings and examine the qualifications of nominees as well as consider any potential conflicts of interest.  While I anticipate that the Senate will confirm Alberto Gonzales' nomination, it is my hope that during consideration Senators evaluate the course of our nation's judiciary policy over the past 4 years and question Mr. Gonzales on his strategy for the future.  

      I have had great concerns with many actions taken by Attorney General Ashcroft during his tenure, specifically implementation of the Patriot Act and proposals to expand its scope.  The Department of Justice, in my opinion, carried out investigations that have resulted in infringements on our civil liberties.  I sincerely hope that should Mr. Gonzales be confirmed, he will carry out his duties with careful regard for our individual freedoms.

      another interesting resource is history of Gonzales re: human rights -- it has links to his memos and summarizes the legal issues.  and of course wikipedia and here.

      however, this diary is an excellent resource in itself.

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      by drh on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 10:39:58 PM PDT

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      •  LTC (none / 0)

        here's my letter to congress -- maybe others can use it -- i've sent it/revised it a few times.

        As your constituent, I urge you in the strongest possible terms to deny President Bush's appointment of Alberto Gonzales to Attorney General.  

        Mr. Gonzales crafted the legal defense for President Bush's position on torture.  His appointment would send a message to the world that his keystone contribution was well-regarded in the US and well-rewarded with a promotion.  We, the people, cannot let this stand.  We, the people, do not condone torture.

        Recently, the ACLU successfully received torture documents from a FOIA filling that further unveil the systemic abuses in which Gonzales contributed.

        To give you a sense of what's a stake -- here is one quote from the conclusion of an August 1, 2002 memo from Gonzales' office:

        "For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that tortue as defined in and proscribed by Sections 2340-2340A, covers only extreme acts. Severe pain is generally of the kind difficult for the victim to endure. Where the pain is physical, it must be of an intensity akin to that which accompanies serious physical injury such as death or organ failure.  Severe mental pain requires suffering not just at the moment of infliction but it also requires lasting psychological harm, such as seen in mental disorders like posttraumatic stress disorder. Additionally, such severe mental pain can arise only from the predicate acts listed in Section 2340.

        Because the acts inflicting torture are extreme, there is significant range of acts that though they might constitute cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment fail to rise to the level of torture.

        Further, we conclude that under the circumstances of the current war against al Qaeda and its allies, application of Section 2340A to interrogations undertaken pursuant to the President's Commander-in-Cheif powers may be unconstitutional.  Finally, even if an interrogation method might violate Section 2340A, necessity or self-defense could provide justifications that would eliminate any criminal liability."  ("Re: Standards of Conduct for Interrogation under 18 U.S.C. 2340-2340A", August 1, 2002, p. 46).

        I refer you to the Cornell Law School for further reading:

        http://teaching.law.cornell.edu/faculty/drwcasebook/updates7.htm

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        by drh on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 11:00:35 PM PDT

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  •  excellent work as usual (none / 0)

    wondering which parts of the constitution wil be rendered "quaint" first.
    also wondering about those gypsy girls you wrote about a couple of days ago.
    keep up the fine work.

    Anyone who advocates, supports, defends, rationalizes, or excuses torture has pus for brains and a case of scurvy for a conscience. - James Wolcott

    by rasbobbo on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 02:56:08 PM PDT

  •  CCR going after Bush again on Gonzales (4.00 / 2)

    I mentioned this before, but check out the Center for Constitutioanl Rights's campaign against the Gonzales nomination. www.ccr-ny.org/actionalert at least someone is taking a stance against him.