Did it ever occur to anybody that the leaked exit polls a false

to me its very suspicious, this is the trail

National Review--->Drudge Report--->Political Wire--->Daily Kos

I dont see what is stopping NR from just making up some phony numbers and putting them on a website and saying they have some "inside info".

This is the EXACT same trial that happened in NH, and now dozens of these site are regurgatating NR numbers,

i bet 80% of the people coming to the site think they know whats going on in the polls because they saw it in daily Kos even though for all we know its coming from some dude sitting at his computer making up numbers

next week i will make up some numbers in the morning and say I have some "inside info" on some early returns and post it up on dkos....im not joking either and ill sit back and laugh and watch as the information is posted from blog to blog and people start analyzing the "results"

thats exactly what the guys at NR are doing right now, watching people make up all this conclusions based on masde up numbers and laughing their asses off,

and if someone asks why the numbers are so off, ill just say it was an "early return"

•  Don't even need to attribute

  ulterior motives.  Some person wants to be a big guy and leaks some numbers, their early who cares.

  My biggest beef is that state in different time zones are being treated the same when by definition, the samples are quite different.

  Diaried this already.

  by Armando on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 05:25:50 PM PDT

•  Agenda

  Drudge and NRO have an agenda to skew the results perhaps a point or two and this can be important, in a really close race.

  Sure it doesn't matter to most people, but there are still undecideds out there.

  by ModerateLiberalCA on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 05:30:41 PM PDT

  •  Addendum

    The right wing's wet dream is for Edwards to win it all.  They have to be praying that a guy who has 5 years of public service experience, no vet background, was a trial lawyer, mostly financed by trial lawyers, and mostly full of a lot of rhetoric, not substance, can upset Kerry.

    Would they ever tee him up. Too bad they have El Airhead Chimpo running, but w/ a $1 trillion GOP infrastructure they could really mow him down.

    Kerry's a more difficult candidate to rough up due to his time in Vietnam. Can't cram patriotism down his throat. They'd really have to rewrite the playbook if Clark was the nominee.  Clark may take the national security advantage away, whereas Kerry prolly neutralizes it or comes close.

    by ModerateLiberalCA on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 05:32:41 PM PDT

    •  you're delusional

      Kerry's a more difficult candidate to rough up due to his time in Vietnam. Can't cram patriotism down his throat.

      You really haven't been paying attention, have you. If Kerry gets the nomination, the only issue he will have left upon which he is credible against Bush will be ANWR and his experience 30 years ago in Vietnam.

      If Kerry is the nominee, the only reason he can possibly win is that his opponent is a bigger thug than he is.

      Kerry is doable. Do him.

      by justinb on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 05:38:21 PM PDT

•  project mockingbird

  of course the ecit polls were faked.  but the fake polls go much deeper than that.

  Read about Operation Mockingbird and the CIA infiltration of polling groups like Zogby and Gallup.  They realized by the late 1950's that the sheeple..er...people could be manipulated with polls.

  Hence you saw Kerry, a man who couldn't fill a diner in Iowa, suddenly surge to the lead after some Zogby special sauce.  That made the undecideds jump on the bandwagon because the black ops knew Iowa would set the momentum tone and they could fake more NH polls (with more accuracy as their fake numbers became a self-fulfilling prophecy).

  They had three things to do  1) Crush Dean with underhanded stories  2) Promote Kerry with inevitability and fake polls   3) Ignore Clark at all costs

  Why?  Clark and Dean want to put a lot of the criminals from the Bush cartel in jail.  Rove wargammed running against Dean and decided they would probably lose (despite their initial desire to run against him).  So they put the system to work and elevated the candidate they found was most beatable.

  Now Clark can't even get a major TV interview while the press humps Edwards and Kerry.

  This stuff isn't a conspiracy, it's the reality of TV and Newspapers controlled and censored by the Pentagon/CIA and owned by major corporations with a stake in the IMF, WTO, and future "trade agreements."

  Again, it's called Operation Mockingbird, look it up.

  -FJC

  by FreddyJoeCigar on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 05:32:40 PM PDT

•  Yes, political wire has a creidibilty problem ...

  because they don't even get the numbers right after the votes are in.  Kerry beat Dean by 12% in NH, not 13% as PW claims.

  by aretino on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 05:36:59 PM PDT

•  ok

  sorry Armando i didnt read you diary, but after reading it im even more suspicious, thats a good point about the different time zones.

  and notice that in both NH and today clarks's numbers look really bad

  but i would leave Drudgereport out of this cuz he is doing the exact same thing Dkos and Political Wire is doing, i dont think Drudge has any agenda besides getting hits to his website

  all the signs point to NR, the point of my post is to point out how easy it is to spread false info in the net, i know thats obvious but all these people pronouncing Clark dead seem to think these numbers are real

  but like i said next week i will post some "inside info" and you can bet Clark's numbers will look real good in "early returns"...

  by quantum on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 05:37:38 PM PDT

•  New Mexico Exit Poll!!

  
  Dean      34
  Clark     28
  Kerry     17
  Edwards   12
  Lieberman  3
  

  You mean like this?

  These are fake.  Will they resurface?

  by MRL on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 05:51:43 PM PDT

•  for what it's worth

  a friend of mine in the Edwards campaign somewhat glumly confirmed the exit polls in NH before the real results came in.
  

  by DrFrankLives on Tue Feb 03, 2004 at 06:07:31 PM PDT