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Hunter Goes Postal III: Aftermath and Denouement

Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 01:47:17 PM PDT

In Parts I and II of this series, we looked at an almost passing comment in Tim Grieve's excellent story in Salon about John Edwards, trial lawyer; a comment about Valerie Lakey, a then five-year-old girl who in 1993 was playing in a public wading pool when she was pinned to the bottom of the pool by a faulty pool drain with suction so powerful that it proceeded to then suck the intestines out of her body before her father and others nearby succeeded in shutting off power to the pump and freeing her.  Valerie, thanks to conservative media figures, is John Edwards' most famous client; always unnamed, she has become a poster child for what conservatives believe is one of the most pressing problems in this country; the rights of individuals to sue corporations when corporations do something wrong.

For taking this single case, John Edwards has been criticized as an "ambulance chaser" by the White House; he has been called part of a "well-connected swarm of trial lawyers who twist our legal system to pillage the productive sector for personal gain" by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R); and he has been mocked on national television, repeatedly, by boil-on-the-ass-of-society Tucker Carlson as the "personal-injury lawyer specializing in Jacuzzi cases."

If you have not read Parts I and II of this series, I encourage you to do so.  If you have read them, read them again to get your blood boiling.  This final essay will have little of the venom or snark of the other two.  This essay will be something different.

Hunter Goes Postal
Hunter Goes Postal II: Tucker's "Jacuzzi Case"

An Update

On July 27th, Tim Grieve followed up at Salon with a link back to HGP1.  Being a Real Reporter, however, he did one better than that: he went and asked Tucker Carlson what he thought about the controversy:


After Salon chronicled Carlson's comments -- and the overall GOP war on Edwards as a "personal injury trial lawyer" -- the blog world ranted hard. One dailyKos diarist wished this upon Carlson: "I hope you wake up tomorrow and find yourself in hell, with succubus Ann Coulter sucking your insides out through a straw inserted in your a--, while John Ashcroft belts out 'Nearer my God to Thee' from a nearby Karaoke stage."

We saw Carlson in the halls of the Fleet Center this week, and we asked him about the flak he's taking. He said he hadn't heard about it, and he offered a testy defense.

"My contention is not that the girl wasn't grievously injured or deserves compensation, nor is it that he doesn't have the right to make $8 million off her suffering. My only point is that if you're going to make 7 or 8 or 6 or whatever million dollars off her suffering, don't claim it's an altruistic act," Carlson said.

Right, but isn't calling it a "Jacuzzi case" -- without further explanation -- somehow dismissive of what actually happened? "Are you going to lecture me? Are you going to ask me a question or lecture me? My point is not that it's a wine-and-cheese thing, and I'm not against Jacuzzis. That's not my point at all."

Carlson said calling the Lakey tragedy a "Jacuzzi case" is just a "shorthand" way to ask whether Edwards should really be seen as acting altruistically for the "little people" when he made so much money off the case. "I'm merely saying that, if you're going to make all that money, don't turn around and tell me that you're better than I am," Carlson said.

Does "Jacuzzi case" really convey that point? Couldn't he call it something else? "Maybe I could, but that's an evasion of the point I'm making. You're getting into whether I should call it a 'pool case.' OK, fine, call it a 'pool case.' I'm sorry I called it a 'Jacuzzi case.'"

So you're sorry? You won't call it a "Jacuzzi case" anymore? "No, I'm not sorry I called it a Jacuzzi case. I'm sorry that you're unwilling to answer what I think is a pretty serious question I'm posing."

Sorry, but I just have to pause for a minute.  I love that exchange.  It captures Tucker Carlson, pissy, vapid, uninformed pundit, perfectly.

Ahhh.  OK, better now.

It is always difficult to know exactly how much influence the blogosphere has on what, for the sake of argument, we will call "the real world."  But in this case, we definitely had an effect.  While Tim Grieve was getting Tucker's up-close-and-personal reaction to becoming the momentary bane of the liberal blog world, Kossacks were demonstrating that blogspace does not exist in a vacuum.  What happens on sites like this one, we can make happen in Real Life.

In addition to letting both CNN and PBS know exactly what they thought of Tucker's well-worn talking point -- by writing letters and telling them -- several Kossacks had an unabashedly brilliant idea; let the Jacuzzi corporation know what Tucker was saying, on national television, about their products.  Ouch.

You can see the various letters that were sent on the comment threads of the previous posts, and at the follow-up post here. (There are also quite a number of other excellent diaries on the topic, more than I can link to here.)  Many people reported getting responses from the Jacuzzi company; perhaps the most entertaining one was reported by mattman:


Of course, I wrote CNN about the Jacuzzi smear by Tucker and OF COURSE, I got no response except the usual autoreply BUT I also wrote the company and this is what I got:

 The unit Mr. Carlson was referring to was NOT a Jacuzzi unit, product, or part of any kind. He used the term Jacuzzi like someone saying "I'm going to Xerox a copy on the copying machine."  It was in fact a commercial concrete wading pool with an unapproved suction drain on the bottom of the pool. With the powerful suction created by the large pump on this unit, when the girl sat on the flat drain cover, the suction was so strong, well you know the rest. Our whirlpool baths and spas have an anti vortex drain cover that is approved by all safety codes for use in any bath or spa. The difference being that it is raised and has holes on the top and around all four sides so there is no way to completely block it off and is mounted on the vertical wall of the bath or spa, not on the bottom floor.  Our attorney's have been made well aware of the comments made by Mr. Carlson and I'm sure they will be pursuing this further, but we assure you that you and your children have nothing to worry about.

 As for the outcome of the little girl we have heard she is still alive but her life style will be changed for ever. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please contact our company at 1-800-288-4002. Thank you, Dave Webb (Technical Assistance)

Sometimes, karma happens.  Tucker Carlson, we can presume, has by this point been contacted directly by the Jacuzzi corporation, or more specifically by lawyers representing them, and been told something to the effect of shut the hell up with the "Jacuzzi case" crap, or we'll cram so many legal filings up your a-- that you'll be crapping Duraflame logs for the next two years.  Paraphrasing, of course -- I'm sure the Jacuzzi corporate lawyers would use more prosaic and official-sounding language than that.

In any event, searching the transcripts on CNN.com shows that Tucker Carlson has apparently not uttered the words "jacuzzi case" since we last documented it, on July 15th, in spite of having ample opportunities to do so.  Here's an exchange from Crossfire, Aug 4th:


CARLSON: Very quick question.

There -- I understand that John Edwards is a trial lawyer and that John Kerry takes a lot of money from trial lawyers.

ROGERS: He tried.

CARLSON: And maybe tried to be a trial lawyer.

But the fact is, most Americans understand there's something wrong with this tiny elite profiting from the suffering of others. And, actually, trial lawyers have a pretty negative effect on our economy and our culture. Will at some point John Kerry take even a tiny, minor stand against trial lawyers? Do you think he'll have the courage to do that, Mr. Courageous?

(LAUGHTER)

MCMAHON: Here's what -- here's what John Kerry is going to do. He is going to try to bring America together, not divide it.

(CROSSTALK)

MCMAHON: He's going to try not to divide us by race, by class, by trial lawyer, by doctors.

(CROSSTALK)

CARLSON: You can divide us by trial lawyer. That's fine.

MCMAHON: Or in any other way.

ROGERS: There's only so many doctors to sue.

(CROSSTALK) MCMAHON: And the Republicans win when they divide America.

CARLSON: OK.

That's an interesting exchange.  He still hit the trial lawyer hard, but we all notice what he didn't say.

Finale


Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

-- Barry M. Goldwater

This trio of essays, or rants, or screeds, or whatever they may be called, is difficult to condense into a single theme or moral.  Are they a diatribe against Tucker Carlson in specific?  An angry rant at the absurdity of the news industry in general, or the conservative talking heads that swim through it?  A visceral reaction to that situation in which nearly all functional adults find themselves cringing -- a child in danger -- and to the apparent blind callousness with which other people can react?  Yes, all of those... sort of.  I, like everyone else, first assumed upon reading the Salon story that Tucker Carlson was simply an ass; it did not occur to me, until I did the research, that this was not an idle cheap shot, but yet another calculated and long-running lie.

As I said in another post, politics, like Soylent Green, is made from people, and what you get out depends in large part on who you put in.  Our political discourse is full of blatant and unapologetic liars, like Limbaugh, O'Rielly, Hannity, Coulter, et. al., as well as astonishingly dishonest figures like Karen Hughes, Newt Gingrich, Tom DeLay, etc., so it is not surprising that what we have been getting out has been, to extend the analogy, far from edible.  We are living in a time when journalism means something different than it did perhaps thirty years ago.  Television news, in particular, now runs 24 hours a day.  True journalism is expensive.  Pundits, and talking points, are a dime a dozen.

CNN jumped the shark the first day they advertised Crossfire using boxing images -- not that they were a paragon of virtue in the months before, but in that they finally formalized the Death of Meaningful Discussion.  In these times, political debate is about the spectacle of the attack, not about the issues to be addressed.  Issues are boring; having two grown humans shout petty verbal attacks at each other, in a bizzare D.C. suit-and-tie version of MTV's Real World, is apparently what the networks believe America is into these days.  Constant bookings of truly depraved liars, on all the networks, demonstrates that truth is meaningless compared to a titillating, hyperbolic lie.

But I would like to draw several morals from this particular story.

Moral 1:  Find a Lie, and Kill It

The power of individuals is diffuse, but can be focused like a laser with the proper motivation.  We can kill individual lies, if we take action against them.

It is beyond the abilities of any one person to keep track of the entire media world, much less all the facts, pseudofacts, spin and bluster that fills and inflates that world.  It can't be done.  But there are tens of thousands of willing participants in this battle; if we each pick our individual targets, we can cover nearly everything.

There's no coordination involved here.  You don't have to dedicate your life to factchecking a single journalist, or to exploring a particular meme.  You don't have to pick a different target than I do.  You don't have to pick a target at all.  You simply must listen for the lies, and when one rears up -- one that is particularly infurating, or offensive, or which you have some special knowledge about -- make your voice heard.

So pick one lie at a time, and make it your own.  Research it.  Find out where it came from, and who propagates it.  Tell the world about it.  Then, with the help of like-minded people like us, kill it.  Dead.

I don't mean simply refute it.  I mean refute it with such force, to so many people, that the "pundits" who propagated the original lie look like drooling idiots for repeating it.  Sic their enemies on them.  Sic their bosses on them.  Sic their sponsors on them.  Make telling a lie on national television, for example, something that comes with a price afterwards, even if that price is only scorn and inconvenience.

Moral 2:  Don't Ignore Bad Journalism -- Fight It

The predictable response to most diaries that complain about a particular event in media coverage is some variation of this:

Why are you watching [Network X]?  Ignore them.  Go to CSPAN, or don't watch television at all.

If someone told us they were, this year, voting for Nader out of some sense of moral purity, we would jump down their throats.  Yes, it feels good to vote for the Pure and Noble Windmill-Tilter, instead of sullying oneself at the trough of electoral practability, but moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue; there is a time for idealism, and a time to help the cause.

Likewise, abandoning all popular forms of media to allow them to spread spin, half-truths, and outright lies, while we bunk complacently in the ivory towers of CSPAN and look down at the rabble, is satisfying but profoundly unhelpful.  We are in a mean-spirited battle for control of the message that is told to the American people -- for control of how every issue is framed, how every candidate is presented -- and we still, to this day, are loathe to engage it.  The conservative movement learned that working the refs works, and works well.  And is still working.  Until it stops working, whether because it is counterbalanced by punching from the other side, or because we work to immunize the refs from those attacks from either side, it will continue.

Pundits like Coulter, Hannity, O'Rielly, and Carlson, and political operatives like Ed Gillespie and Karen Hughes, spread a lie because there is simply no price to be paid for doing so.  They have learned, over the past decade, that stating a bald-faced lie on national television will result in, well... absolutely nothing.  It will not get you disciplined, or fired, or sued.  It will not affect you financially, or affect the reception you get the next time you appear on television.  Lies are free.

The media will not factcheck themselves; that is a facet of news coverage that cannot be accomplished by today's "instant-opinion" pundits, talking heads, and perennial guests.  They don't have the time for it, between television appearances.  They don't have the inclination for it, between Washington get-togethers.  And they don't have the training for it, unlike the less telegenic and far more anonymous "real" journalists still investigating stories that require analysis more detailed than a simple furrowed brow, a single-page fax, and a snide, knowing smirk.

Therefore, we must do it for them.  We must be their editors, until such a time as CNN and other networks decides that their "journalistic integrity" really wasn't something that should have been downsized in their budget cuts of the last decade.

The paid political operatives, like Gillespie or Hughes, and the most venom-laden of the partisans, like Hannity and Coulter, may be incorrigible.  That's fine: we're after the second-tier liars, the so-called "real" journalists who propagate those lies, and the editors and executives that let them.  Divide the Coulters and Gillespies of the world from the people who are still giving them unvarnished airtime, in spite of their constant dishonesty.  Isolate them.  Show both sides of the incestuous relationship that there is a price for dishonesty and unethical behavior.

As fact-checkers of the national media, create a political, financial, and reputational price for propagating a lie.  Make it embarrassing.  Make it frustrating.  Make it hurt.  And make it very, very public.

Moral 3:  From Time to Time, Go Postal

We sometimes joke that the blogosphere is an echo chamber.  It can be, if the sound never leaves the box.  With enough people shouting the same thing at the same time, however, the blogosphere can also be a megaphone.

It isn't enough to read.  Write, too.  Report.  Investigate.  Let us know what we should be getting angry about.  Use your voice, and make it loud.

And rant, every once in a while, if the situation requires ranting.  We admire the spirit of politicians who can speak the unvarnished truth; sometimes it requires a loud voice to cut through the din of mediocrity.  Where a factual argument may glance off, a satiric, mocking laugh may cut to the bone.

So go postal, if you feel it in your bones; rein in afterwards, once you have woken people up, and formulate your plan.

You can truly help a cause without ever leaving your chair.  And that, in a nutshell, is the true power of blogs.

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So that's it, for this particular series.  I'm sure I'll find something else to go postal about, soon, though, so never fear.

I want to thank all the Kossacks who helped make the Jacuzzi case diaries into a minor force of nature.  A particular shout-out goes to kid oakland and others who spent untold amounts of time publicizing these diaries.  Though they claim failure, the fact is that searching for "John Edwards jacuzzi" on Google brings up pretty much exactly the kind of content that we hoped it would.  A shout-out, too, to all those who were inspired to write letters, email links to friends, and keep us updated with the results.  My action was indirect; theirs was direct.  Their action was what killed the lie, or at least rendered it forever harmless, not mine.

Sleep well, Tucker.  And behave yourself.

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    •  Thank *you*, Hunter (4.00 / 12)

      My readers will be very happy to hear about the latter denoument, with an angry Jacuzzi's lawyers (hahaha) sicced on Bow-Tie.

      And yes, the concrete and the simple actions to be recommended - that is very important. We have learned helplessness - and part of helplessnes is not knowing how to react. So the going away in lofty aloofness is one bad reaction, but so is being chivvied into losing it and screwing up.

      Essentially, these folks we're up against have atrophied morally at the age of oh, seven, maybe eight. HAHAHA they cackle, you're wearing mismatched socks!!! You said "not nine," instead of "not mine" HAHAHA!!! (the socks comment isn't far off, if you count La Dowd into the mix.)

      If they just prod us into getting angry, they win. If they make us shut up and go away, they win too. Even if we go off and bitch and mock at them in our own forums, if that's all we do, they win.

      So - yes, we intstead need to be pro*active, and you've shown us how to do it. Make *them get angry. Make them shut up and go away in a huff.

      Put them on the defensive - or a better analogy, in the stocks.

      It isn't a small thing, to be shunned and to have your name a hissing and a byword, to have people draw their skirts back from you and children throw tomatoes in the public square.

      Remember how we hurt poor Rush's feelings? Remember how quickly Tweety caved when Clark showed some "forcefullness" with him? We do have the power. From Trent Lott to Tucker Carlson, we're showing them what happens when the proles self-empower by free sharing of information and the refusal to be cowed.

      I'd say you've earned your handle.

      "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

      by bellatrys on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 06:02:25 PM PDT

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    •  hunter (4.00 / 10)

      i don't say this lightly.  you are a patriot.

      thank you sir, for all the hard work you've done in regards to the abhorrent tucker "jacuzzi case" carlson.

      John Cornyn is an asshole with shoes. Support Rick Noriega!

      by anna on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 06:16:47 PM PDT

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    •  lies should be expensive (4.00 / 8)

      I really like your point about shooting down each lie one at a time. I think it does make a difference. It is good to see that a change was made - and I am glad that the Jacuzzi company's name will no longer be inexplicably slandered as part of a Republican talking point.

      We CAN make a difference. Another place where I've noticed it is in electronic voting machines. The county clerks and secretaries of state, most with no technical training, were eating everything they were spoon fed by the vendors. Today you see a real change in the assumptions of everyone involved. Yes, it's still an issue - but it was blog action that caused many of us to write letters to our various officials when the topic was still in category "other" on their contact pages and inbox sorting.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 06:36:20 PM PDT

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    •  Great diary (4.00 / 11)

      BTW, I found the following in the NYT while I was looking for details on John Edwards career:

      Something more than Mr. Edwards's reputation attracted David and Sandy Lakey of Raleigh, N.C., the parents of a young girl injured in a swimming pool. The Lakeys say all the lawyers they interviewed except Mr. Edwards wanted one-third of any award, which one of them predicted would not exceed $1.5 million. Mr. Edwards offered to take a smaller percentage, unless the award reached unexpected heights.

      Hmm... What was that about altruism again Mr. Carlson? Pretty much demolishes his central complaint regarding Edwards. Heh.

    •  One way or another (4.00 / 2)

      This series was so inspiring, thank you.  I don't know that I have much to add, more articulate people have just about said it all.  I do tend to stew for awhile and then try to get into a proactive frame of mind.  I have one suggestion that some might want to try.  Writing letters to the stations or networks most often genders an automated response, as someone already stated, so it's difficult to tell if the correspondence has been fruitful or not for some time.  Advertising is usually bought in blocks, for blocks of times or for programming.  Writing letters directly to the boards of directors for companies that buy these advertising blocks is very effective.  It isn't as labor intensive as appealing to the networks, it takes far less correspondence to make a difference and it goes directly to the true 'religion' of each and every advertising dollar, the bottom line. If the board is informed by 20 or 30 letters written by people that are seriously considering not buying their products any longer plus the benefit of spreading the word, it forces them to sit up and take notice. The bottom line is always about the bottom line.  

      The research goes into finding out who advertises in the television, radio or print media for the programming that is being targeted.  For example, instead of writing countless letters to CNN, a small group of people single in on Crossfire or Wolf Blitzer Reports.  The block of advertisers is found, the board of directors for those companies are then assigned to the individuals and the writing begins.  It can be stated why a particular program is being targeted but it's really the threat, real or not, that the product is going to be boycotted that makes the difference.  It's amazingly effective and swift. The other ditty that is powerful is that millions of people can be identified, engaged and active in the world of the blogs.  It's a phenomena that hasn't gone unnoticed.  It hasn't really been figured out, what is going to happen or how to 'corral' all the dissension that the media brings forth. I know this is all already known, so excuse the redundancy.  

      The bonus is that it doesn't take a lot of time and it can be done right where you are, in that cozy chair you're sitting on.  Food for thought.

      I will not die an unlived life. Not in fear, I will live out loud and on the record. Domestic Violence Hotline 1-800-799-SAFE (7233) 1-800-787-3224 (TTY)

      by caliberal on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 01:13:31 AM PDT

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    •  More thoughts... (4.00 / 2)

      It's a day later, and I have a few more thoughts to add.

      First, I'd love to hear from anyone who sees a link to this series elsewhere.  I'd love to hear that other bloggers have linked to it, for example, and that it's therefore drawn people to DailyKos who might not have visited our community before.

      Second, if you enjoyed it, by all means feel free to help to make #1 happen.

      Third, the thanks everyone has given in comments has been truly overwhelming, and much appreciated.  Let's face it.  If I can help inspire just one person then... this whole exercise will have been a colossal waste of time.  Gawd, I don't even want to think about it.  But if we can inspire ten people, or twenty, or a hundred, then we're getting somewhere.

      The three parts of the series were intentionally very different in style and tone, and I can't help but feel some sense of satisfaction that people, indeed, were able to appreciate each for what it intended to convey.

      Oh, and Fourth:  To my knowledge, I am the only blogger or poster to ever have my swearing linked to by Salon magazine.

      That rather odd tribute, more than any other, I will cling to as my moment of fame.  I find it very hard to believe I will ever top that.

  •  fantastic post (none / 0)

    fantastic series of posts. thanks.
  •  Brilliant Hunter! (none / 0)

    Absolutely brilliant post. I hope I was the 1st to hit the "recommend this diary" button.
  •  Thanks for Volume III... (none / 0)

    To capture the series for the new "Recommended Diaries" function, since you've helpfully linked to I & II.

    This is what it's all about.

    Government by the free consent of the governed has given way to government by the implicit acquiescence of the adequately distracted. - Dr. Eric Rauchway

    by leftcoast on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 06:12:56 PM PDT

  •  Yup. (4.00 / 22)

    That's what happens when we band together....

    and I would add one further point to your diary, Hunter.  There is coming a day when the pendulum will start to swing back in our direction and the GOP will discover that, unlike their foul leadership of recent years...we Dems are most interested in Justice, Equality and Progress....not divisive political games and personal attacks.  In 2004 notice has been served that we Dems will no longer complacently accept this bullying.  We will  fight back...

    and whether it's "going postal" or my preference...Raising Hell...when we lift our voices together we are a mighty machine.  

    As the big dog said, they NEED this country divided.  We don't.  I welcome debate and political dialogue with every fair minded American.  God knows, even if we win this fall we still will have much deal-making and, gasp, compromising to do to accomplish our goals.

    But, as for Tucker and the current leadership of the GOP that lead us into these straits...I see no redemption or possibility of getting along....they are a band of assholes...

    may they rot in hell.

  •  "Going Postal" (none / 0)

    Excellent advice.  I already started letter writing last week, but I am weak and lazy so I need to be prodded frequently.  Now I have found a new use for the maligned "hotlist" box--I will hotlist this diary and be reminded every time I visit DKos about writing to make my feelings known.  If I haven't written a letter in a day or two, then I will be reminded whenever I click onto DKos (which is quite frequently).

    Excellent advice and an excellent series.  Thank you very much.

    "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." Bertrand Russell

    by Emerson on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 06:46:39 PM PDT

  •  quick comments (4.00 / 10)

    First, I agree completely with your outline for action and applaud your jacuzzi series. It's inspiring.

    Second, though it's been said a million times in the last couple of days, your diaries and others like it are the reason the new "recommended diary" feature is fantastic. The cream needs to rise to the top and stay there longer than 20 minutes.

    Finally, I'll note another new instance where the blogosphere clearly had an impact on "mainstream media." I just saw an interview on CNN with the despicable John O'Neill who was forced to disown Corsi and his racist, misogynist statements, which were uncovered by blogs. O'Neill, of course, said Corsi was just an "editor" not really a co-author (you know, the title page is wrong), but still, it's a small victory against their slime machine. The more light the blogs can shine on their lies the better off the world will be.

    "This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected." - Barack Obama (3.18.08)

    by lapis on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 06:51:29 PM PDT

    •  What about recommended comments? (none / 0)

      Recommended diaries are great.  Some sites also have recommended comments.  Wouldn't that also be good here?  Why shouldn't a good comment be able to gain the kudos and readership of a good diary?  Mojo doesn't do a very good job in that respect -- highly rated comments have no prominence over others.
  •  You're a Patriot, Sir (4.00 / 2)

    Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

    I have been trying to make this point in my repeated "nag" diaries and daily polls asking what you've done for your country today, but you just did so a million times more eloquently. And you gave examples of how and why it works.

    I hope you will not mind if I remind people that there are organized and targeted ways of accomplishing these things:

    Please Volunteer with John Kerry, click the 'contact media' button, and join the Media Corp. They have targeted assignments, information, and give you access to a host of media outlets. MoveOn.org has a similar tool and more user-friendly by far. Moreover, the Rapid Response Network is always looking for help too.

    Stephanie Dray
    of Jousting for Justice, a lefty blog with a Maryland tilt.

    by stephdray on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 07:21:50 PM PDT

    •  Media Contact site (none / 0)

      Thank you so much for providing the link to the Kerry site which, in turn, supplies an extensive list of media contacts (registration required) to those, such as myself, interested in calling the media's attention to errors and/or accuracies in their reporting on John Kerry's campaign. I've already used it to send a note to ABC News for their even-handed coverage of the flap over Kerry's statement defending his decision to give Bush "the authority" to attack Iraq but not, in fact, authorizing the actions Bush then took in attacking without going back to the UN for international support. ABC did not jump on the Bush bandwagon and portray Kerry's support as 'carte blanche" for Bush's rushed and ill-planned "adventure" that has, to date, cost 1000+ American military lives and billions of dollars from OUR treasury. All the best.

      The Moe Sizlak Experience, featuring Homer Simpson.

      by lepermessiah on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 11:14:36 PM PDT

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  •  A sincere thanks (4.00 / 5)

    This series has been absolutely great.  I have put PBS on notice as a result that they will not be getting money from me for the coming year due to their hiring of Tucker Carlson, I would have never known had it not been for this series.  Also, if anyone saw The Daily Show the other night with Bill Clinton, he said exactly what this diary said- you have to fight the lies, swiftly and with laser vision and knock them out.  Both he and you are absolutely right, we cannot ignore the media because if we do they win.  For me, personally, I have real trouble watching this programming, but I have found a resource that is very helpful, especially in regards to FAUX News and it is another blog-
    http://newshounds.com.  The posters are the the FOX watchers who had the particular pleasure of watching certain FOX newsprams daily for several months to facilitate the making of Outfoxed-their blog tag is something like "we watch FOX so you don't have to" works for me since I literally feel physically ill when I watch the likes of the FAUX News types.  Thanks again for the great series of posts!!
  •  Huzzahs And Other Loud Exclamations (none / 0)

    for you, Hunter!  This is a GREAT diary and one all others can use as a standard of excellence and effectivness.

    Now, do I believe that CNN didn't happen to mention to Tucker that the Jacuzzi's lawyers have contacted them about his smear?

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    You can't always tell the truth because you don't always know the truth - but you can ALWAYS be honest.

    by mattman on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 08:00:52 PM PDT

  •  Greatest diary ever. Thank you. (none / 0)

  •  There's gold in dem hills (none / 0)

    This was a truly brilliant and moving diary.

    And I have a feeling that the quality of the first two "Hunter Goes Postal" entries helped motivate the new "recommended diary" function -- one more indication of how these postings, beside so forcefully critiquing CNN/Carlson/etc., are helping to transform Daily Kos as well. Which I take as the chief point of this final "Postal" posting.

    "We have found the weapons of mass destruction" -- George Bush, May 30, 2003

    by awol on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 08:32:57 PM PDT

  •  Wonderful series (none / 0)

    Thanks, Hunter.

    I still think Jacuzzi should sue the pants off of him. Just for fun.

    BUSH: Like a rock...but dumber.
    Stewart/Olberman 2008!

    by mugsimo on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 09:26:35 PM PDT

    •  Lawsuit (none / 1)

      I dunno. I think he could play the victim in the media if that happened. Suing prominent media personalities — especially ones who can wrap themselves, rightly or not, in the flag of journalism — is something major companies are understandably reticent to do.

      On the other hand, there is something amusing about the idea of giving him a "Jacuzzi Case" of his own.


      "I play a street-wise pimp" — Al Gore

      by Ray Radlein on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 06:57:43 AM PDT

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  •  Great series (none / 0)

    Thanks, Hunter. I've added more screeds to my local PBS station regarding the WSJ show they are adding in addition to their stupidity in putting the bowtied asshole on the station I used to pay for. You're absolutely right about the need to make the points over and over again to the media, especially when it involves their income.
  •  Totally excellent series! (none / 0)

    Yet I must disagree about changing TeeVee news.  Perhaps it would be worthwhile to work towards improving the processed TeeVee dialogue if there was something worthwhile to look towards, but there just isn't.  There is nothing to "take back" on TeeVee, because unlike the press, TeeVee never had a golden age of reporting.  The video medium is quite simply one of the most inefficient means of transmitting and analyzing information.

    The spoken word is not as easily processed in the mind as the written word.  We are easily distracted by dialect, accent, intonation, and frequency, particularly gender.  TeeVee adds appearance, graphics, and all sorts of other inanities to the equation.  These differences are born out in studies that show greater brain activity when reading as compared to watching TeeVee.  

    I believe the much of the problem in today's political discourse arises either directly or indirectly from the medium of discourse itself:  TeeVee.  There is no changing this.  From the very first TeeVee presidential debates when the public responded to JFK's superior makeup and looks, the use of video has poisoned American politics.  There is no salvaging TeeVee as a tool for political discourse.

    I've long argued that a newspaper is far more advanced than the most biggest TeeVee in the world.  I can pick up the NYT, and instantly switch between dozens of articles, reading only the one's that interest me, skimming others, and in the time it takes me to get through the NYT, I've assimilated more information than one could possibly acquire from their TeeVee.  Add to this that I think more when reading the newspaper, and you have a seriously high-tech method of information transfer.  

    Ultimately, I think our goal should be to kill TeeVee news dead.  To drive a stake through the heart of TeeVee news, we must nurture an alternative.  Something high-tech that's alluring to a nation of imbeciles entranced by shiny baubles.   Something even more efficient at information transfer than a newspaper.  Something that facilitates political discourse not only among the millionaire punditocracy, but also among the people.   Something that shifts the power away from corporations and into coalitions of people that can spontaneously form in response to need.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Wed Aug 11, 2004 at 11:58:07 PM PDT

    •  There is hope.. (none / 0)

      ..well kind of.  The Websphere.  Unfortunately it is even more polluted than the TV you speak of but there is hope.  Look at this Blog as an example of what can happen.  

      "Strength and wisdom are not opposing values" - Bill Clinton.

      by RAST on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 12:32:39 AM PDT

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      •  That's what I was driving at (none / 0)

        I see the internet as the savior of humanity.  No, really!  

        It IS polluted, and that's a problem that must be surmounted, but I think with some extra sophistication people can learn that not all information is created equal.  If the rubes can learn that Fox=biased and other stations=more reputable, then surely they can learn not to believe anything they read on the net.  

        I'm cautiously optimistic about the internet's potential to kill TeeVee.  If you know me, well that's saying loads, it's like everyone here at Kos is busy jerking each other off over Kerry's victory, and I feel like I'm the only one who thinks he's gonna lose.

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 01:43:55 AM PDT

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    •  Edward R. Murrow says hello (none / 0)

      There is nothing to "take back" on TeeVee, because unlike the press, TeeVee never had a golden age of reporting.  The video medium is quite simply one of the most inefficient means of transmitting and analyzing information.

      There has been plenty of good TV journalism. Obviously it was before you were born. See if you can get "Harvest of Shame" or "The Hate That Hate Produced" from the library and tell us after watching them that there was not a golden age of TV reporting. It didn't last long, but it was there.

      Not all of us were born yesterday, you know.

      "Lash those traitors and conservatives with the pen of gall and wormwood. Let them feel -- no temporising!" - Andrew Jackson to Francis Preston Blair, 1835

      by Ivan on Fri Aug 13, 2004 at 02:17:16 AM PDT

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      •  From radio (none / 0)

        Those people who created the shows you speak of, they came from radio to TeeVee, when it was a new invention.  

        Yet more evidence of the superiority of radio over TeeVee.

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Sun Aug 15, 2004 at 03:31:50 PM PDT

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    •  No Golden Age? I don't buy it (none / 0)

      Can't agree with this statement:

      "There is nothing to "take back" on TeeVee, because unlike the press, TeeVee never had a golden age of reporting."

      Ivan, above, mentioned Murrow. What about Cronkite, Huntley/Brinkley, 60 Minutes back in the old days?

      And if the best TV journalists came from radio, so what? Seems to me the individual counts for more than the medium -- or did.

      I agree TV journalism sucks most of the time, in most countries. But I do think it can be taken back, not least because there are examples, like the CBC and BBC, where it was never taken away in the first place, in spite of decades of effort by the Rupert Murdochs, the Aspers, and neocon governments to stifle its voice.

  •  Republicans are against the law (4.00 / 3)

    The constant effort to denigrate trial lawyers is only part of the larger war on the law.  Republicans are seeking to diminish the power of not only lawyers, but of judges.

    What are the two memes?  Trial lawyers are costing you money and activist judges are ruining our morals.  Both of these things are only another phase of the Republican effort to extend the power of the executive and leave the public defenseless before corporations.

    •  alas no, not yet (none / 0)

      sorry, couldn't help reacting to your post's titles other meaning! I don't really think that the Virtue Party should be outlawed, either, but it was amusing. And I do agree with your premise, very much.

      "Don't be a janitor on the Death Star!" - Grey Lady Bast (change @ for AT to email)

      by bellatrys on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 10:49:05 AM PDT

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  •  Damn, you're good! (none / 0)

    Who will stop this war of lies? Keith Olbermann May 23rd, 2007

    by Ed in Montana on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 01:10:00 AM PDT

  •  Thank you (4.00 / 9)

    Hunter, thank you.

    I was the plaintiff in a wrongful death case. My attorney was my samurai. And all this talk about the percentage a trial attorney commands is smoke and mirrors. I wanted the best damn attorney I could find! Any trial attorney - mediocre to stellar - commanded the same percentage. But not the same results. And, I can tell you from experience, you do not walk through this caring a whit about the settlement, but only the truth. Unless you have been in these shoes, you have no idea how much that means.

    Large jury awards are invariably due to jurors seeing that the defendant has not been an honest broker. They have been arrogant and blatantly dishonest. And these kinds of large settlements / awards are rare and not in keeping with the propaganda fed John Q Public.

    It takes courage on the part of the plaintiff and the attorney to press for and take to trial these cases, and not settle from fatigue or in the sake of security outside of court. It is the mark of excellence - in character and judgment - when an attorney has the record that Edwards has.

    And this type of action and right is imperative as we face the corporate state.

    That said, this post of yours evokes for me this quote:

    "The joy lies in the fight."
    Mahatma Gandhi

    Yours in sincere gratitude,
    Felicia

    •  ps (4.00 / 6)

      Having written this, may I add...

      There are things that are not covered under criminal law that are crimes. There are times when someone is killed that could have been prevented, but others didn't give a damn or would save $10 a day (pick a number) to not implement the safety measure. Your only recourse, your only option is civil action, for redress.

      For the father or mother of this young girl... or this girl herself... the state will not charge anyone with criminal action, even though a dollar part was all that was needed. AND it was known.

      She or He cannot go out and take vigilante action. Their daughter needs them.

      John Edwards and the right of civil action is their ONLY method of some measure of justice. And with that comes some measure of redress as well.  

  •  Hunter... (none / 0)

    I've been reading your stuff for a while now, and I want to tell you:  YOU ROCK.

    You deserve to get paid for such fine thinking, research, and writing, and if the world gets better, I hope you will be if that's your desire.

    •  I am so impressed (4.00 / 2)

      with your diary.  Not only does it have a point but it makes a point about truth.  It's almost spiritual (maybe not even almost).  My naivete, perhaps, told me that the sins of George Bush and the candidacy of Howard Dean would inspire new heights in philosophical and logical discourse.  Only occassionally do I find it.

      Yours is the kind of voice I long to hear.  It is inspiring because it rings the bell.  Very little in today's "newsworld" accomplishes this.  You make me take up the arms I dropped when they crucified Dean.

      Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.

      White woman over 50 for OBAMA!! (Endorsed 6/07)

      by nolalily on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 11:22:29 AM PDT

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  •  Hunter (none / 0)

    I have no idea who you are, but you rule, dude.
  •  Tucker Contradicts GOP (none / 1)

    So, what ever happened to the free market? In the diary entry, Tucker Carlson legitimizes tort law when he says he doesn't have an argument against what Valerie Lakey was actually awarded. If tort law is therefore valid, as Carlson admits, then isn't what lawyers make off the system simply a matter of supply and demand? If Carlson then has a problem with the amount of money that Edwards makes on such cases, then isn't he going against GOP "principles," such as they are, in that he wants to put a cap on the reward for a hard day's work? Yes he is. Yes he is. And I say it again: Yes He Is. If it takes the kind of pay that lawyers demand to achieve penalty payments at a Carlson-admitted legitimate level, then that's the market. If that amount is shockingly high, then the market should cure it, right? More people will become lawyers, the number of attorneys to choose from will be greater, and prices will go down. But they haven't because the lawyers that achieve these types of awards have skills that are not easily duplicated.

    Okay, one more issue. Carlson DOES claim that he is only interested in the hypocrisy aspect of these cases. He says that Edwards shouldn't claim that he is doing humanitarian work if he's making so much money off the deal. Well, can't one do both? For example, if I have lucrative offers for jobs from two companies (yes, it's a fantasy in Bush's America, but I digress), then aren't I doing something morally superior in choosing the company I choose based on which fits better into my moral compass? Isn't Edwards doing the same thing when he chooses cases like Lakey's when he could be making just as much money or more on cases that actually are frivolous, or don't really right any wrongs?

    Any thinking Republican (okay, sorry if your head just exploded) would say that it is not Edwards' fault that he is compensated so well for either type of case.

    Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass. - Barry Goldwater, 1981

    by Doug in SF on Thu Aug 12, 2004 at 03:01:39 PM PDT

  •  Heheh, heheh, Hunter said... (4.00 / 3)

    ...shut the hell up with the "Jacuzzi case" crap, or we'll cram so many legal filings up your a-- that you'll be crapping Duraflame logs for the next two years.

    Just don't let the Duraflame lawyers hear about this ;-)
  •  I forget how I found this, but... (none / 0)

    wow.  yeah baby.  this is the good stuff right here.  next time someone tries the anti-trial lawyer talking point garbage on me i'm going to whip this bad boy out.

    hey also, anyone know if hunter == the hunter who worked for dean?  maybe everyone's first diary post should be a short bio, or something.

    Speak Out, California! Energizing progressives from Crescent City to Calexico

    by da on Fri Aug 13, 2004 at 09:11:47 PM PDT

  •  s,,ssss,,,sssso.. pp..pp..pissed.. off... (none / 0)

    ok, have had a hellaciously busy week trying to not become unemployed, so i just read your 3 postal posts. i don't have time for a suitable response, so i'll just say, hunter, you kick ass, good fuckin job bro. the other thing is that i have always disliked fucker carlson and his bowtie, and if i ever see that motherfucker in person, he will learn what it means to regret one's words.

    sorry for the profanity, but i'm just so furious.

    i will send this post to everyone i know.

    end corporate rule. restore democracy.

    by jaskot on Sat Aug 14, 2004 at 12:37:34 AM PDT

  •  Fucker Carlson... (none / 0)

    ...the "jacuzzi journalist".

       As for trial lawyers- here's the best way to break the ice informally. The other night I was posting a reply in other forums, and watching "My Cousin Vinny" with nephew who had never seen the show - those trial lawyers have pretty good method after all...

       Edwards is Hollywood enough to pull it off. He's an advocate. Liking a lawyer is not part of their requirements, in Edwards case it just happens to be a plus. The guy is a pit bull for his clients and will spare the verbal putdowns unless necessary. Nobody ever won a case screaming at the judge or jury. Voters are the judge and jury and  Edwards will present a case to them.

        Anyone who says "Edwards is not ready to be President" needs to remeber the same can be said of Bush. I have seven minutes of inaction and kids' stories to back this fact up. Let this  evidence be written into the record and made available to the voters please...

       As for which VP would make a better President, Cheney is obviously calling the shots now, has been doing so and  look at the results. There are "Known Knowns" and "known unknowns" and in both cases we know Cheney has  tread a careless path with the security of Americans and  everything our country values.

        Edwards as VP is unknown to some people, but his  procedure and ability to build a case for an America trying to rejoin the world community and regain its rightful just standing we can deduct from his  past efforts.  My vote is for the advocate who has  found a way to disarm the smears of social issues and  address the domestic concerns necessary to unify Americans.

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