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Daily Show TRANSCRIPT: Henry Bonilla

Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 12:38:53 AM PDT

I typed up a transcript of part of tonight's Daily Show with Jon Stewart, specifically the interview with Henry Bonilla where Jon goes after the "first and fourth most liberal" talking point.

There was a lot of fumbling and crosstalk in the interview, so it wasn't quite as powerful as it could have been, but if you know anything at all about President Bush's "first and fourth most liberal" talking point and exactly why it's utter BS, then it was highly entertaining.

(See Spinsanity and the Daily Howler for more discussion. The short version is that this talking point is based on cherrypicked and wholly unrepresentative data, which as any high school science student could tell you means: it's a deliberate lie.)

If you're feeling generous toward Bonilla you might wonder: is he just unaware of what the data actually say, or is he deliberately lying to the people with one side of his mouth while he tries to call for honesty with the other? But he clearly showed he knows quite a bit about where the data comes from, and when Stewart confronted him and said that Kerry was actually to the right (not left) of Kennedy, and Edwards was to the right of the median Democrat, he said "You're right". Talk about disingenuous.

Transcript after the jump.

By the way, there was a lot of crosstalk and fumbling as is usual in any heated discussion, which made it hard to transcribe, but I watched it again while re-reading and this is fairly accurate. Substantive corrections are welcome.

Also, if there was a segment after the commercial at the end, my Tivo missed it. Time was up, so I expect it was probably the usual closer, something like "That's our show! Thanks, goodnight."  But if someone saw it and there was any more worthwhile content, let me know or post a transcript of that snippet.

STEWART: Welcome back! My guest tonight: Republican Congressman representing the state of Texas, he was on last week's Republican rapid response team during the Democratic Convention, please welcome Congressman Henry Bonilla. (SHOUTS) Congressman!

(MUSIC, APPLAUSE)

STEWART: Have a seat. How are you?

BONILLA: I'm good! How are you?

STEWART: Good to see you!

BONILLA: Thank you.

STEWART: Ah, welcome, welcome to the program.

BONILLA: Good to be here. I, ah, I have to confess something, at the risk of sounding like a dork in front of your viewers.

STEWART: Sorry?

BONILLA: As of last week--

STEWART: Are you-- Are you asking me out?

BONILLA: I have not seen your show.

STEWART: You've never seen it?

BONILLA: The only guy, I guess, in the country that may not have seen your show.

STEWART: No no no, I get the ratings, you're not the only guy. There's a lot of guys.

BONILLA: My co-workers, my family, my teenage son Austin,

STEWART: Really.

BONILLA: My... everybody was like I can't believe, what are you nuts?

STEWART: Well, maybe you're lawmaking. You're-- you're-- you're a lawmaker.

BONILLA: So then I go on the internet, I watch some stuff, they tape the show for me, and I learn that you have a newborn.

STEWART: I do have a newborn.

BONILLA: So we went to a Western store in south Texas, bought you some little cowboy boots.

(AWWWWW)

STEWART: Oh my god. That's adorable!

BONILLA: And I don't know....

STEWART: Let's see, let's show those there.

BONILLA: That's, ah--

STEWART: You know what's so great? This is gonna go great with his tiny, tiny gun.

(LAUGHTER)

BONILLA: Well you ca-- I don't know if the camera can see but you have these little nubs here, this is the ostrich skin finish and that's really cool.

STEWART: The ostrich-- yeah?

BONILLA: If he's not walking, if he's not walking though yet when, when you put these on him--

STEWART: He's only four weeks old.

(LAUGHTER)

BONILLA: If he's gonna kick his feet it's gonna say something on the bottom.

STEWART: What's it say? "GOP Rocks." Son of a gun.

BONILLA: There you go.

(AWWWW)

STEWART: So that's how you do it, through a subliminal-- one day he'll be walking and go, something's coming through my feet. I don't know what it is.

BONILLA: You never know. He might like pickup trucks and guns. You never know.

STEWART: That's very nice! Thank you! Well, those are such stereotypical Jewish things.

(LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE)

STEWART: How are you doing?

BONILLA: I'm good.

STEWART: Now that was, may I say to you, that was rapid response. This rapid response team, you guys have a, it's like a, they call it a war room. And it's a bunch of guys sitting around waiting for, I guess, the Democrats to say something silly.

BONILLA: And you know what, the whole thing--

STEWART: And then they come out and boom!

BONILLA: The whole thing is really helping us turn the corner.

STEWART: Oh man.

(LAUGHTER)

BONILLA: No, seriously...

STEWART: I guess you were watching back there, huh?

BONILLA: No, seriously it was a great op-- it was an incredible operation about a block away from the Fleet Center.

STEWART: How many people?

BONILLA: Ah, they had three a day. I was on the first day, on Monday, but a new team comes in every day. I mean, we had fifty members of the media fighting to get position in this small facility. (CROSSTALK)

STEWART: Now, the message that you put out from the rapid response team, is that, uh, based on something that you designed a long time ago? Or is it literally coming from: that guy said that in that speech, here's a little fact that'll throw it out there.

BONILLA: Well, we believe... This is a great country. Even Bill Clinton the other day at the White House...

STEWART: I gotta tell you. Any sentence that starts with "This is a great country", something bad's about to happen.

BONILLA: I already used the, just, we're gonna turn the corner. Ok.

STEWART: Alright. Here we go. Alright.

BONILLA: But the other day Bill Clinton pointed out at the White House that, you know, you come from the left or the right of this country--

STEWART: Yes.

BONILLA: You gotta be honest about where you stand. All we're trying to do is say:

STEWART: Be honest.

BONILLA: John Kerry, tell us what you stand for. I was on another show with a--

STEWART: He's a flip-flopper!

BONILLA: With another Congressman from the midwest, a Democrat, and he was asked point blank: are you a liberal? And he said yes I am. Great! I'm a conservative!

STEWART: You think he's a flip-flopper.

BONILLA: Say what you are.

STEWART: He's a flip-flopper!

BONILLA: Tell us what you are.

STEWART: How do you-- now, like, when you say, so... Tell me who he is.

BONILLA: Well, my question better yet is in all his twenty years in the Senate, can anyone give me three things that he's done? That are significant?

STEWART: Kay, that are significant? I guess he could. Do you think? Or no?

(LAUGHTER)

BONILLA: I'm listening.

STEWART: Do we have--

BONILLA: One thing. How about one thing.

STEWART: Well what about this. So when you say tell us who he is. So who-- when they come out, they say he's a liberal.

BONILLA: Voted for bigger government, three hundred and fifty tax cuts, against a lot of the trade bills.

STEWART: Right. But he's the number one ranked liberal in the, ah--

BONILLA: Well, he's to the left of Ted Kennedy. Now that's fine! Be proud of that.

STEWART: Now where do they come up with those rankings?

BONILLA: We're all ranked every year.

STEWART: By who?

BONILLA: You have conservative groups on our side, there are business groups, there are people who track tax bills and spending bills and things like that, trial lawyers track us, unions, and all of these groups are kind of the, ah, understood authorities.

STEWART: You know who seems to be the only people not tracking you? The American public. We're the only ones!

(CHEERING)

BONILLA: No, they track us. They track us.

STEWART: So tell me. (CROSSTALK) I turn on the TV, and I see the response team.

BONILLA: Because we can't be here unless they vote for us!

STEWART: That's... yeah, it's sneakier than that, but alright. But so I turn on the TV and they say, he's the first most liberal Senator, John Kerry, and John Edwards is the fourth most liberal Senator.

BONILLA: Right.

STEWART: So, the only thing, because I watch it at home and I'm ... stupid.

(LAUGHTER)

STEWART: How is that, how do they figure that?

BONILLA: I haven't even seen your show.

STEWART: I know. How do they figure that?

BONILLA: They, we have votes, and bills that we sponsor, and they tra--

STEWART: I'm not retarded. I mean, how do they compile, who--

BONILLA: They list them. They take a list and--

STEWART: Who's "they"?

BONILLA: These groups that I told you about. The conser--

STEWART: But which is the one that said they're the first and the fourth?

BONILLA: The-- well, you take the trial lawyers. Or the, ah, the people that follow the union votes. The people that follow the small business votes, or the corporate votes, and they all go you're either with us a hundred percent of the time, or none-- zero percent, and they kinda average them all together.

STEWART: Who!?

BONILLA: These groups do!

STEWART: But which one-- how do you-- when you say first most liberal and fourth most liberal, what is the group and how is it -- because I'm not...

BONILLA: I hope I'm explaining it clearly.

STEWART: I don't think so!

(CHEERING)

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: It's coming, it's starting to come. I just want to know, like, alright. What is the group that--

BONILLA: These groups have lists of votes that we take.

STEWART: But which group says they're the most liberal? Which-- you know, because the one-- that is a point that you guys make. This is the first and the fourth.

BONILLA: The liberal groups do, and the conservative groups do. Both of them do.

STEWART: No no no, I know that, but you know how like when you guys go on the show and you go, he's the first most liberal and the fourth most liberal, which group is that? The one that you guys are quoting?

BONILLA: It's a group that does it, it's a group on each side. It's not one individual, um, it's not just the trial laywers, it's not just the small business group, it's not just the corporate...

STEWART: You're making this up.

(LAUGHTER)

BONILLA: No, I'm not! And they--

STEWART: Okay, I'll tell you who it is. It's actually called the National Journal. And what they do is--

BONILLA: Well, that's a magazine!

STEWART: But they're the ones that put it together.

BONILLA: Right, they actually compile all this stuff.

STEWART: Right. But is that over their career, or over just...

BONILLA: Over their career.

STEWART: But see, no!

BONILLA: But they'll do it every year as well.

STEWART: The first and fourth--

BONILLA: They do it yearly and for career.

STEWART: But you know that the-- but Edwards over his career is actually more to the right than the median Democrat, and actually Kerry is more to the right of Kennedy. So I just, you know, like you say.

BONILLA: You're right.

STEWART: You just want people to have an honest discussion. That's all that I want. I'm not Democrat, I'm not Republican, but my head, with the spinning and the responses and the things, is... I'm a sad little man.

(LAUGHTER)

STEWART: I just need it to get more... you know what I'm saying.

BONILLA: What can we do to make you happy?

STEWART: Not-- no more of the rapid response with the-- just to twist the thing.

(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

STEWART: Do it-- just come out and say: like, I'm sorry (UNINTELLIGIBLE). The three hundred and fifty tax cut thing is so out of context. Some of that was when he voted not to lower taxes and keep them the same, so it wasn't-- so in other words, I just want the people who are to earn the people's trust to just say that in a way that we can understand, because we are...

BONILLA: I wish both candidates would just come out and say it themselves. I stand here, and I stand here. What's wrong with that?

STEWART: (looks around) I think they do.

(LAUGHTER)

BONILLA: No they don't! That's why we have the rapid response team.

STEWART: Oh, that's not why you had the rapid response team.

(LAUGHTER, CHEERING)

STEWART: Alright. We'll talk more about it. We'll come back, and we'll figure it. Congressman Henry Bonilla!

(APPLAUSE, THEME MUSIC)

STEWART: Well, you know what I'm saying, right?

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  •  Tips (4.00 / 64)

    All that typing was hard work. :-)

    The world won't get no better if we just let it be.

    by drewthaler on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 04:39:29 AM PDT

  •  other diaries (none / 1)

    Most of the discussion about the interview is in the first one.
     God Bless Jon Stewart
     Daily Show Rerun About to Air: MUST SEE

    The world won't get no better if we just let it be.

    by drewthaler on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 05:09:55 AM PDT

    •  Thanks for the links! (none / 0)

      I always hate it when someone just posts, "Hey dummy, it's already been covered in the diaries" and I can never [easily] find the earlier discussions.

      The polls don't tell us how a candidate is doing; they tell us how the media is doing.

      by Thumb on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 10:55:47 AM PDT

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  •  three things (none / 1)

    For those who might be wondering, here's a list of simple and significant things you can point out that John Kerry has done in the Senate.

    • Iran-Contra. Pushed the investigation through when the Reagan Republicans wanted to cover it up, by getting Jesse Helms to go after the drug angle. His people did the hard investigating, although when the scandal finally broke he was not named to the Iran-contra committee for political reasons.

    • Reconciliation with Vietnam. Kerry showed that there were no remaining POWs and restored normal relations.

    • BCCI. Kerry investigated and exposed the terrorist money laundering and other skanky actions of the BCCI back in 1992. (Credit to lapin)

    And I can't seem to find a link to back this up, but I'm pretty sure it was in A Call to Service:
    • Reciprocation for handicap tags. We take it for granted that the disabled can use handicap parking spaces everywhere in the country, not just their home state (gee, it only makes sense), but it wasn't always that way. Not until Kerry listened to the disabled veterans who were traveling and getting tickets for using a handicap space with out-of-state tags.

    The world won't get no better if we just let it be.

    by drewthaler on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 05:44:38 AM PDT

  •  so what was the best line? (none / 0)

    Personally, I liked this exchange right in the middle when Stewart's trying to draw him out and Bonilla is repeating himself and being obtuse:

    STEWART: I know. How do they figure that?
    BONILLA: They, we have votes, and bills that we sponsor, and they tra--
    STEWART: I'm not retarded. I mean, how do they compile, who--
    BONILLA: They list them. They take a list and--
    STEWART: Who's "they"?

    The world won't get no better if we just let it be.

    by drewthaler on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 05:49:37 AM PDT

    •  No way (4.00 / 4)

      Gotta go with:

      STEWART: Okay, I'll tell you who it is. It's actually called the National Journal.

      Because that's where it really sinks in just how far this guy's walked into Stewart's trap, just how hard he's about to bring the hammer down, and just how incredibly crafty and talented an interviewer Jon Stewart is.

      •  Beautiful ambush (none / 0)

        The guy must have been so mad. If it's true he'd never watched the show, now he'll warn other Congressment they can't bullshit Jon Stewart.
        •  It never ceases to amaze... (none / 0)

          me that conservatives actually go on The Daily Show. Are they that oblivious to the concept of a "hostile audience"?? :) Is there some conservative whack job out there who actually believes one of them is going to waltz out there and all of a sudden be considered "cool"?

          However, it makes for some great tv...and some of the best "news" out there!

          BUSH: Like a rock...but dumber.
          Stewart/Olberman 2008!

          by mugsimo on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 06:53:32 AM PDT

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          •  "Real reporters" treat them so well (none / 0)

            They probably think: Ah, what's a little comedy guy gonna do to me? Everyone knows it's just comedy!!

            Then, they get to see what reporters should look like, and it must scare the hell out of them.

            Then, they're probably relieved to remember that all the "real reporters" are their bitches.

          •  It amazes me (none / 0)

            that he didn't watch the damn show before he went on it.  Is he such an egomaniac that he thinks he can waltz in and do a bangup job just by rehashing the same old lies/talking points?  Let's hope the "response team" members are all this stupid.
          •  Plan (4.00 / 2)

            Oh, I think the GOP has been targeting Daily Show placements. They started with (IIRC) Karen Hughes, whom I'm sure they figured could handle it (and Stewart was actually not as vicious with her). Then they sent Stephen Hayes to be skewered (and that was kind of pathetic--I mean, this guy is paid to be a shill for the Right's cockamanie ideas, and he got skewered). And then they sent one of their few elected officials who might counter the notion that the GOP is a bunch of racist white guys. The selections all fit too closely in the GOP's strategy for being kinder and gentler for it to be a choice of the Daily Show, IMO.

            But really, the GOP has to try placing people on the show. Really, if they don't, the cede a good number of young men (you know, the 18-34 demo). Not only does that mean they cede the possibility that a few of these traditionally "non" voters might come out to vote for them, but they cede the future. Can't do that--so they'll continue to try to find someone who can survive Stewart's onslaught.

            My husband and I were brainstorming last night to see if we could figure out who might be able to survive the show. They might try the Gropenator, but I doubt it, because he doesn't do appearances unless he can dictate what questions get asked. Then I was trying to think of any star that was a conservative who might be considered "cool" among young men--and I couldn't think of any. Finally, I thought that Wolfowitz might actually be a good match (because he will back off the spin from time to time, and because he really believes the BS he peddles; Rummy would have been perfect in his photo op prime a year ago, but no longer). But I can't think of anyone else who would work.

            This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

            by emptywheel on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 09:33:11 AM PDT

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            •  remember Dole? (none / 0)

              I remember when Bob Dole would come on the show(late 90's) and he was friggin hilarious. I shudder to say this, but if I had seen the side of Bob Dole that I saw on the Daily Show, I would have been more sympathetic to his campaign. He was cracking jokes the whole time and just having fun. Of course, I guess that's what politicians can do once they're out of politics.
              •  Dole's campaign manager should be shot (none / 0)

                I like Dole. I am glad he lost to Clinton, but I like the man.

                What is a crime is that the country thought he was a war-mongering angry crippled white man who wanted to get closer to the nuke button.

                The problem is, after he lost, and his campaign manager was not longer in charge of him or his message, the American public found out that he is a pretty decent guy. Had a sense of humor, self-depricating (remember the credit card and Doritos ads), was articulate, could think on his feet, etc.

                Just thought I would comment. I think Dole is pretty cool for an older GOP'er.

                - Zhirem

                2/24/05 - One less Kos'ack...

                by zhirem on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 01:30:36 PM PDT

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            •  Well (none / 0)

                McCain always does well. Stewart's rather fond of him.

                And McCain fits into the "lying about what we look like" idea, as he's not exactly a typical member of the GOP.

              •  Yeah (none / 0)

                In another post I acknowledged that McCain did fine with Jon.

                Plus, McCain's appearances have preceded Stewart's latest furious attacks, I think.

                This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

                by emptywheel on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 01:16:07 PM PDT

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      •  'Well, that's a *magazine*!' (none / 0)

        You have to hear the mocking tone of Bonilla's 'Well, that's a magazine!' (i.e. he had no idea that this was a magazine's rankings) to appreciate how much Stewart lay the smack down.

        This is meant to be a competitive district (TX-23) -- why have the Dems abandoned it?

  •  My Hero (none / 0)

    Jon Stewart is my hero.  My husband and I were howling while watching the Bonilla exchange.  We're both lawyers and saw the "trap" coming -- superb moment.  Stewart performs such an immensely important public service!  If only the "real" media performed half as well as he does.  
  •  Beautiful (none / 0)

    Have to watch the re-run today.

    Bonilla gets caught in a lie!  Bonilla gets caught being ignorant! (I do think he didn't even know that stat was put out by the National Journal).

    The thing that really pisses me off is why the mainstream media can't ever ask the damn obvious question that Jon Stewart did -- why can't they call the Republicans on their bullshit.

    As happy as reading that transcript made me, it also made me sad that our mainstream media has abdicated it's responsibility.

    •  Repsonsibility? (none / 0)

      As happy as reading that transcript made me, it also made me sad that our mainstream media has abdicated it's responsibility.

      I've worked at media companies. The only responsibility they have is to their shareholders. They don't make you sign a loyalty oath to the American People or anything.

      They don't owe you anything, get over it. Treat them like the whores they are...they really don't mind.

  •  Bonilla has now made it neigh impossible... (none / 1)

    for another Republican to appear on TDS.

    The RNC has probably issued a memo that prohibits appearances by the those reps who going on TDS think they will get pitched a few softballs by Mr. Stewart.

    DeLay is going to flay Bonilla!

    Jon's self-effacing manner, in the face of self-aggrandizing showboating, is a thing of beauty.

    Better than Russert! Russert is no longer the maestro of the interview!

    I wonder if Mr. Stewart was put off by the whole ostrich skin baby boot thing..."you think you are going to get a free pass by bearing tchochkes to this show? Think again, buster!"

    Bonilla should have waited to give the gift at the end of the interview. Giving it at the beginning gave the appearance that it was all about him.

    People in Eurasia on the brink of oppression: I hope it's gonna be alright... Pet Shop Boys: Introspective

    by rgilly on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 09:39:08 AM PDT

    •  Disagree (none / 0)

      I don't think they can give up on TDS yet.

      Think about it. This is a really important demographic, young men, and for those who watch the Daily Show religiously, this is their most important "news" source. So if they don't keep trying, they will be writing off the demo.

      Further, if they write off the demo, then they will risk losing the battle of outreach to people who have not voted recently. In other words, they risk allowing the Dems to mobilize people to vote while they just sit around and hope that Churches will do their work for them. They can't do that.

      Finally, I'm fairly sure Bonilla was sent at the request of the GOP. Think about who they've had recently (that is, who Jon has ripped to shreds recently)--first Karen Hughes (media expert), then Stephen Hayes (who should be a media expert), and then Bonilla (one of the few people who makes it look like the GOP isn't a bunch of racist thugs). That's got to be orchestrated, and deliberate.

      I do think the GOP is running out of people who might go on TDS and survive. But I think they'll keep trying.

      This is the way democracy ends Not with a bomb But with a gavel -Max Baucus

      by emptywheel on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 01:22:52 PM PDT

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  •  Remember (none / 0)

    Bonilla is supposed to be a member of the Repug "Rapid Response" team!!!  You would think he would KNOW the original of that number.

    There is another thread on Andy Card setting out how much Bush has worked on the 9/11 Commission's work.

    How do you think Bush would answer the question: Have you read the 9/11 Commission report?

    (Of course, we know that Clinton would have read the whole thing the day it came out or sooner.)

    Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren. Bertolt Brecht

    by MoDem on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 11:00:36 AM PDT

  •  Interview Posted Online (none / 1)

    I compressed and posted the full interview here:

    http://www.austin4kerry.org/archives/000051.html

    Enjoy....

    (And thanks for the transcript...great work.)

    Austin4Kerry.org
    Grassroots support for John Kerry, deep in the heart of Texas

    by ShoeshineP on Tue Aug 03, 2004 at 06:47:48 PM PDT

  •  You know what part I like best? (none / 0)

    Little boots.  You know what that is in Latin?

    Caligula.  

    Go figure.

    Qui faciant leges ubi sola pecunia regnat? -- Petronius

    by Karl the Idiot on Wed Aug 04, 2004 at 05:09:54 PM PDT

  •  Nice (none / 1)

    More good knowledge to know.

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