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IL-sen: Is Keyes' daughter a lesbian?

Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:21:54 PM PDT

Chillinois has compelling evidence that Maya Keyes, our good gay-hating Republican in Maryland Illinois, is openly gay.

The evidence comes from Maya's very public blog (first discovered by Modern Vertebrate). Xanga apparently allows parts of the site to be "protected" from those not on a special list, but Xanga has poor technology, as some of that protected content can be easily found. For example, here's the post where she hides parts of her site.

If this is a hoax, and it very well could be, it's a pretty good one.

And if it's real, don't worry, Maya still thinks abortion is like lynching. Being queer, and wearing a "George W. Bush: You're Fired" button doesn't disqualify wingnuttery on other issues.

Update: I took down the picture to make the post a little less inflamatory.

But really, neither I, nor other blogs, have "outed" Maya. She's out. She brags about wearing her rainbow bracelet on the campaign trail. Her father must either be blind or clueless not to know his daughter's sexual preferences. Pointing out that the adult daughter of a politician, who is campaigning with that politician is gay isn't a slur.

So why is Keyes so quick to attack the children of others? Why is he so virulently anti-homosexual? Why does it seem that every high-profile anti-gay figure has a gay child?

From reading her blog, it seems like Maya is out and proud. Good for her. The question is, what kind of person is her father, to so hatefully oppose something that's so innately part of Maya?

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  •  Now that's rebellion (none / 0)

    but.. i'll wait until more is mentioned.

    "Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right" - Carl Schurz

    by RBH on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:20:14 PM PDT

    •  read her blog... (none / 0)

      "...then another guy sidled up rather discreetly and said "Um, excuse me, I don't mean to interrupt, but I'm assuming you're family?" So I glued on another smile and said "Yes, I'm his daughter..." to which he said "No, no... I mean... you're... family...

      There was a brief moment of "We're in the middle of a bunch of republicans out away from Chicago in Illinois he can't mean - " confusion before I realized yes, he'd noticed my rainbow everything and he did mean family like that...  so I said yes and he gave me literature for his queer youth group and said he figured it must be tough on me but they were behind me and I should stop by sometime.

      Then, I was out at lunch at Chili's with my dad and his aide and our adorable gay waiter stopped me when I was coming out of the bathroom to say how much he liked my bright rainbow bracelets. He then told me he understood how hard it could be being queer in a conservative family and I should hang in there.
      Then again today in Naperville some random queer boy in passing shook my hand and told me that "Lots of us are pulling for you, be strong, be proud!"

      so... wow."

      So wow indeed.

      •  Take It Down!!! (3.25 / 12)

        Please, Kos, take this bullshit down.  Now.  This is truly reprehensible.  I enjoy most of the things on here, and even the stuff I don't enjoy so much (pie-hole arguments) at least have some value here.  Now we're gonna have hundreds (thousands?) of Kossacs googling Maya Keyes?  She's 19, fer chrissakes, and not responsible for who her father is!  How many people here had it figured out when they were 19?  I defended the "screw 'em" bullshit with everything I had.  This is a whole 'nother thing.

        Please take the post down.

        "Salvation for a race, nation or class must come from within. Freedom is never granted; it is won. Justice is never given; it is exacted." A. Phillip Randolph

        by Savage on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:50:10 PM PDT

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        •  I have to agree (3.33 / 6)

          I rarely post, but I think this is important. I'm all for outing gay Republicans, and want Raw Story and Larry Flynt to be brutal in their upcoming exposes, but if she's not actively campaigning for anyone, she should be off limits. If she's campaigning for her father, that might be different.

          Also, the other girl is completely innocent. Spare her.

          •  GREAT Point (3.75 / 4)

            the other girl is completely innocent. Spare her.

            Who's the other girl, and what does her family think about her kissing another girl...and not just another girl, but an African-American girl.  Hopefully they're OK, but do we know?

            The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

            by DHinMI on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:57:24 PM PDT

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          •  Sorta agree... (4.00 / 5)

            This is getting too personal.

            I read the blog matterial at chillspot.  I really do like this girl.  As much of a turd as her father is (and I'm convinced that he's a really big stinky turd now!) this girl doesn't deserve to be messed with.

            The asshole's going to lose the election anyway.

            <grumble>

            Think about it...  Think about what that guy Keyes said the other day about Cheney's daughter.  And all the time, his own daughter was a lesbian.  And he knew it.  What an incredible dipshit.  

            Too bad I can't give him the credit for having such a great kid.  It must have come from somewhere else in the gene pool.

            Pissed off now...

          •  I'm in total agreement (none / 1)

            After reading some of her blog, its obvious she has a difficult family situation (quite the understatement, I know.)  Against all odds, the girl is doing okay--she's out and proud and dealing with her ultra-homophobic family.  

            Blogging about this is harmful and really serves absolutly no purpose (the Keyes race isn't even competitive, for Gods sake!)

            Lets save the public outings for the hypocrites--not for the kids who have a hard enough time as it is.

            Please don't stir the pot on this one...

        •  I've gotta agree (3.75 / 4)

          I don't see how this is productive.

          coup d'etat n : a sudden and decisive change of government illegally or by force

          by greylantern on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:56:34 PM PDT

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        •  Googling Maya Keyes. (4.00 / 3)

          http://www.google.com/search?q=Xmisled0youthX&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

          It's public material.  No outing here.  She outed herself, along with her girlfriend, by posting details of their life on the Web.

          And, yes, including details about her working for her father's campaign.

          Outing children of Repbulicans who aren't aligned with the politics of their parents is off-limits, but what we have here is radically different.  And wholly freaking bizarre.

        •  The real point (3.00 / 4)

          is that Alan Keyes should not say shit about gays if he doesn't want his daughter's life exposed and used to paint him as either a hypocrite or an asshole.

          Whether kos should be the vehicle for the exposure is a seperate issue.

      •  asdfasdf (none / 0)

        she also says that Austin is cool, so I can like her even more (despite the fact that she's a fuckin nazi on the abortion issue) but she does the whole "Austin is the only cool part of Texas" thing which pisses me off.  All of Texas rocks, biatch.
      •  Her blog was NOT private (4.00 / 2)

        There seems to be a lot of confusion out in Blogostan about whether Ms. Keyes' blog posts were "protected" or public.  She does write shortly after her father announced his US Senate candidacy that her site was "indefinitely going protected."  

        She posts this statement because, she says, she had received e-mails from people wondering what had happened to her.  She had already taken the site down, and was simply posting a public update.  

        I'll still keep parts of it public, I just need a little while to decide which to make public, which to keep protected, and which to just keep private. So please be patient for a couple of days (I'll be in Chicago from today until Tuesday, so I won't get to this till after then. And I get to see my Jerrykins there!!! ) and when I get home again I'll get to un-privatizing this place.

        Apparently, what happened was she put the site back up.  She continued linking to her blog on her Yahoo! e-mail profile and she used that same e-mail address to post on a Keyes campaign website.  

        So, spare me the "this is private information" crap.  All of it may have been private at one time, when Ms. Keyes took down her blog, but she eventually re-posted everything that we can see as of this minute.  And she re-posted that info AFTER her dad became the official US Senate candidate and then wrote about Keyes campaign events on that same blog.  

        chillinois.blogspot.com

        by chillinois on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 02:03:48 AM PDT

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    •  Maya's girlfriend's blog. (none / 1)

      http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=AvaAdore&nextdate=7%2f23%2f2004+21%3a56%3a5.607&directio n=n

      Very real.  Warped, but real.  Definitely my kind of women.   Very much the kind of people I hung out with in high school.  Too bad they're gay.

      This page has the same picture, a good rant on the FMA, and the struggles they're having about outing Maya.

    •  If DEMs want to know (4.00 / 8)

      why we lose elections to a GOP that plays with brass knuckles, this thread is illustrative.  The GOP will never be satisfied in any race until they get 100% of the votes and would not shy away from anything that helps them to get as close to that as possible.

      I'm not particularly fond of stories like this one.  And Keyes is doing quite all right all on his own making himself look like a nutcase.  Yet, if we can't publicize the fact that a man who thinks homosexuality is an abomination has an openly gay daughter, it demonstrates exactly what the opposition says of us -- we're too nice and wimps.

      What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

      by Marie on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:54:55 PM PDT

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  •  asdf (none / 0)

    The sticker she is wearing is from the Human Rights Campaign....I think if the picture is real, we might have a new member of the Mary Cheney/Candice Gingrich club!
    •  It's too early to say that (none / 0)

      Do we know if she's supporting her fathers campaign?  The pin makes it pretty obvious she dislikes Bush  (no jokes please, I'm being serious for a minute.)  

      I don't see how the Mary Cheney comparison applies....

      •  The comparison is apt... (none / 1)

        I don't see how the Mary Cheney comparison applies....

        The comparison is apt on several levels, as I see it.

        First, Keyes slammed Mary Cheney's lifestyle, terming her a "selfish hedonist," and saying that she misused her genitals (!) by having sex that isn't intended for procreation. If he can criticize another repug politician's daughter for being gay, he should be confronted with the fact that his hurtful, homophobic comments can be thrown at his own child. Sauce for the goose, and all that.

        Second, Keyes' homophobia and intolerance should be seen in the light of his own child's situation. There is an extreme, if typically republican, hypocrisy in his behavior. Keyes insulted all gays without ever acknowledging the elephant in his own living room. As a Maryland resident, I already know the man is delusional. Thus, I know he is perfectly capable of believing that his daughter's lesbianism is somehow different from that of Ms. Cheney. However, for him to say what he has said about gays while having a gay child makes this a legitimate issue.

        Also, as others have noted, no one outed Maya Keyes. She herself has written a blog in which she made her sexuality public. Some individuals seem to be unaware that their statements on the Internet are public. She forfeited any expectation of privacy when her blog went live and she revealed intimate details of her life therein.

        He's dead, Jim. -- Leonard "Bones" McCoy

        by Xeno of Elia on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 11:59:22 PM PDT

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  •  Ehhh... (3.50 / 2)

    ...plenty of straight girls go out and kiss other girls, particularly to give some kind of vicarious pleasure to guys who are around. One can see pictures of this on blogs like livejournals all the time. So based on this alone I would be hesitant to jump to the 'Maya is a lesbian' conclusion.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
    Neither is California High Speed Rail

    by eugene on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:21:20 PM PDT

  •  I'm not so sure... (3.92 / 13)

    that just being a politician's daughter gives other people the liscence to post her personal life to the public...  
    •  asdf (none / 1)

      I agree that under almost every circumstance that politicians' family members should be off-limits unless they make themselves involved in the campaign.  This is a slightly different situation, however, since Keyes has taken it upon himself to comment on other people's daughters.

      This is therefore a tricky situation, and should be handled delicately.  

      •  she's involved (none / 1)

        She posted to his yahoo group with a link to the blog.  It's public.  
        •  So What? (none / 0)

          "Salvation for a race, nation or class must come from within. Freedom is never granted; it is won. Justice is never given; it is exacted." A. Phillip Randolph

          by Savage on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:33:20 PM PDT

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          •  so it isn't private (none / 1)

            read what it is responding to...
            •  Not Private... (none / 0)

              ....but shouldn't be posted here.

              "Salvation for a race, nation or class must come from within. Freedom is never granted; it is won. Justice is never given; it is exacted." A. Phillip Randolph

              by Savage on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:37:39 PM PDT

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              •  Why not? (3.66 / 9)

                Good heavens!  If it were Obama's daughter, do you think the Republicans would take the "high road" and not publicize his daughter's sexuality because it wasn't pertinent to the candidate?

                Get real.

                We're not in some kind of alternate reality where people respect the truth in elections, let alone boundaries.

                We're Democrats so we're not supposed to point out that one of the biggest vitriolic homophobes currently running for office has an out lesbian as a daughter?  After he pounced on Cheney's daughter for the evils of her lesbianism?

                Sorry.  I think this is a legitimate fact to bring to the public's attention.  And it's not like she's in the closet... this girl is out.

                It's the SUPREME COURT, Stupid!

                by ultrageek on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:56:09 PM PDT

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                •  Screw the Election (4.00 / 6)

                  What the hell are you talking about?  Yeah, so what if you want to think it's war, do we countenance carpet bombing defeated cities after they have been defeated?  Besides, Maya Keyes isn't a combatant, she's a civillian.

                  And Maya Keyes isn't at war, she's a 19 year old with a father who's an asshole.  If you don't understand that that's already enough to deal with, you probably don't understand much.  

                  The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                  by DHinMI on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:00:08 PM PDT

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                  •  She's Campaiging and She's Out (3.33 / 3)

                    what's the privacy invasion? Anything greater than what Alan Keyes visits upon others?  
                    •  Isn't What Alan Keyes Does Bad Enough? (none / 1)

                      It's bad enough her father says hateful things about her, why do we have to make her life worse by pointless political voyeurism?  

                      This isn't about her privacy.  (Although what about the other woman?)  It's about simply human descency.  She's not David Drier.  She a 19 lesbian whose dad is famous for, among other things, attacking lesbians.  

                      That's punishment enough.  

                      The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                      by DHinMI on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:15:16 PM PDT

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                      •  It's condescending (4.00 / 2)

                        to claim someone's privacy is at stake when she linked to her blog site in her posts on a Keyes listserv.  She's an adult, an open lesbian, working for her father and espousing her views on a public web site.  
                        •  the thing is that... (none / 0)

                          when she linked to her blog site in her posts in a Keyes listserv, she NEVER thought that she would be the subject of a vicious outing like this.

                          What's madness but nobility of the soul at odds with circumstance?

                          by slinkerwink on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:28:42 PM PDT

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                        •  Where? (none / 0)

                          It's condescending (none / 1)

                          to claim someone's privacy is at stake

                          Where did he say that?  Looks like he said the opposite to me.

                          "Salvation for a race, nation or class must come from within. Freedom is never granted; it is won. Justice is never given; it is exacted." A. Phillip Randolph

                          by Savage on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:30:22 PM PDT

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                        •  You're Utterly Confused (none / 0)

                          First, it was protected content that somebody got to through the security screen.

                          Two, I explicitly said my objection is NOT about privacy.  

                          Third, my objection has far more to do with the reason this story was posted than the effect--it's here as a salacious scandal-mongering piece to draw attention to what was thought to be a scoop--that Keyes' daughter is gay.  There've been no expose's at DKos about Mary Cheney being gay, because it's old new.  This is an attempt to use the private life of a 19 year old to get at her father and his political party, and it was done with information not intended to be circulated in public.  And it's below what I want for this site and what I want for my party.

                          The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                          by DHinMI on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:35:46 PM PDT

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                          •  LOL (none / 1)

                            No, it isn't protected, if I go to the link from here listserv posts I find everything listed in this and other entries.  Try it yourself:

                            www.xanga.com/Xmisled0youthX

                            OK,so what is it about?  If your objection is not about her privacy (which doesn't exist given she is out), what is the objection based upon?

                            That Alan Keyes out daughter is campaigning for him publicly after he has attacked other politicians and gay people in general is a public issue.  He has made others children a public issue. Welcome to a giant reality sandwich Alan.  

                            •  IT'S NOT ABOUT ALAN KEYES! (3.33 / 3)

                              IT'S ABOUT US!!!  Do we succumb to the level of Alan Fucking Keyes?  Do you think I'm so stupid as to think this shit matter to Alan Keyes?  Even Cheney doesn't gay-bash, but Keyes does.  What kind of fucked up life do you think his daughter is already living?  Now this?  

                              Look, even if they don't mind, I mind a hell of a lot that the intent of this was to out somebody who, the post implied, was not out and might suffer consequences from this outing.  You're arguing that it's OK, since she was already out, in which case the post is irrelevant.  

                              This is the equivilent of me saying it's wrong to shoot at somebody, but you saying it's OK to have shot at that particular person, because they were already dead.  It's the intent that's wrong here, regardless of the possibility that  the negative effect was minimal.  

                              The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                              by DHinMI on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:47:15 PM PDT

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                              •  How is it wrong to point out hypocrisy? (none / 1)

                                We are talking about an adult daughter who is out so no privacy issues.  We are talking about a candidate who attacks others for dealing with their daughters differently, but then seems to be dealing with his daughter and having her campaign for him.  Because we didn't know she was a lesbian doesn't mean she wasn't out, it means we didn't know.  
                              •  Not making sense at all. (4.00 / 5)

                                What??
                                What aren't you grasping here?

                                1.  You keep insisting her blog is protected. Only parts of it are. The pictures of her girlfriend, and the posts where she she writes that she's "queer" are WIDE OPEN for the public to see. THEY ARE NOT PROTECTED. Arch keeps trying to explain that to you. You kept coming back with THEY"RE PROTECTED!!!
                                2.  You should at least post back to him that he was right for krap's sake, and you were wrong, because it was a central point to your arguement.
                                3.  Maya chose not to protect her girlfriend's privacy by posting pictures to a damn PUBLIC BLOG of her and her girlfriend. PUBLIC. PULIC. PUBLIC. So if I link to Kos's PUBLIC blog about something her posted, am I invading his damn privacy?? If you feel sorry for her girlfriend because the picture was up, blame Maya for posting pictures on the INTERNET for god's sake. No one broke into her private vault for these.
                                4. You also keep yelling that Kos OUTED her, and then compare apples to oranges by stating something about if someone is dead, do you shoot them anyway? Whaaaaaaafaaaaaaa is that all about?

                                Here: Let me explain what outing means in this sense. It means that no one in the public eye knew that that person was gay. That is not the case here. Maya has a public blog. Maya posts pictures of her girlfriend and posts non-stop on her public blog that is NOT protected and is wide open for the world to see that she is queer. So again, no one outed her. So stop using that word.

                                You seem to be most upset about Kos supposedly outing her when he did nothing of the sort, and then claim otherwise when called on it and talk about killing dead people.

                                •  Evidence? (none / 0)

                                  You also keep yelling that Kos OUTED her,

                                  Show me evidence of where I "shouted" that Kos had outed her, as opposed to my supported claim that Kos intended to out her.  

                                  Also, has it occured to you that many of these comments were made before you arrived on the scene, when the picture was up and the rhetorical question of the title wasn't really answered?  It wasn't certain, for if it were, Markos wouldn't have written "If this is a hoax, and it very well could be..."  There were comments about her mistaken belief that some of what she wrote she believed to be protected.  Everything of the pre-updated posted smacked of an "outing."  Therefore, the comparison between what wss intended as an outing and succeeded as an outing and what was intended as an outing but really wasn't because the person was already out to her family, friends and anyone she cared to permit know is a relevant one.  It's too bad you can't see that.  

                                  As for apologizing for claiming it was protected, call me crazy, but this:

                                  Xanga apparently allows parts of the site to be "protected" from those not on a special list, but Xanga has poor technology, as some of that protected content can be easily found. For example, here's the post where she hides parts of her site.

                                  ...is why I said it was protected.  

                                  Markos claimed it was protected, but that he was showing us information she believed was hidden from the public.  Therefore, Markos' intent was to out her.  I care less about the fact that he may have been too late to the scene, that she may already be out, than the fact that it was his intent to out her only because she's Alan Keyes' daughter and because he was given access to something he thought was private information and which he believed and described as something Maya Keyes also thought was kept from the public.  

                                  I've said it now about five times.  The intent was wrong, regardless of the execution.  So don't tell me I'm not making sense because he didn't really out her.  Before you tell me I've failed to make sense, you might want to try to succeed in understanding what I'm actually saying.  

                                  The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

                                  by DHinMI on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 05:45:22 PM PDT

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                •  You've Made My Point For Me (3.50 / 4)

                  Good heavens!  If it were Obama's daughter, do you think the Republicans would take the "high road" and not publicize his daughter's sexuality because it wasn't pertinent to the candidate?

                  I'm all for taking the fight to 'em, but there's a huge difference between taking the "high road" and what we see here.  

                  "Salvation for a race, nation or class must come from within. Freedom is never granted; it is won. Justice is never given; it is exacted." A. Phillip Randolph

                  by Savage on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:04:16 PM PDT

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                  •  Bet you're straight. (3.00 / 4)

                    Nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nah.

                    This kid doesn't seem to think the worst thing anyone could do to her is tell folks she's gay.  She seems just fine doing it herself.  In other words, baby, she's out.  And if she's out and if she's campaigning with her dad, guess what?  she's fair game.

                    It's the SUPREME COURT, Stupid!

                    by ultrageek on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:11:41 PM PDT

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                    •  You Win.... (none / 0)

                      I'm straight.  And I never said she was "outed" here.  I did say this has no business here.  It's fine if you disagree with that, but don't start bitching when it's our guys teenage kids having there life posted and commented on by FReepers.

                      And, yes, I realize that it already happens.  In fact, that's my point.

                      "Salvation for a race, nation or class must come from within. Freedom is never granted; it is won. Justice is never given; it is exacted." A. Phillip Randolph

                      by Savage on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:27:45 PM PDT

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                      •  Looks like we're going to agree to disagree (4.00 / 2)

                        The kid's over 18
                        The pic was on the kid's site
                        The kid is working for a campaign
                        The kid is working for a campaign that is actively trashing people like her, and, people like me...

                        And I think this is a big fuck-you from the kid to her dad, and I'm all for it.  

                        If my dad were an asshole like that and I felt I had a family obligation to work my ass off for him but I secretly wanted him to lose and I had the power to make even a 1% point difference in his turn-out, I'd do it.

                        The kid's a hero.

                        It's the SUPREME COURT, Stupid!

                        by ultrageek on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:40:09 PM PDT

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                •  Bottom line (4.00 / 2)

                  If we have to do this to "win", I'd rather lose (and I'm a pretty damned pragmatic Dem with pretty flexible morals).

                  The remaining question to be answered is "Do I want to support a site that posts shit like this?"  If I want to be disgusted, I can just read LGF or InstaPundit.

                  I have my fears, but they do not have me - Peter Gabriel

                  by badger on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:11:40 PM PDT

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                  •  Oh come on... (4.00 / 2)

                    We don't have to do this to win, and that's the point.  We're going to win this one anyway.  Big deal.  Do you think for a minute that Keyes is going to beat Obama?  No way.

                    See the point is that, even in races that we're going to win, we're not going to be wimps.

                    The kid is over 18.  The kid is out of the closet.  The kid is campaigning with her dad.  

                    My bet is that she wants this public, and so, surprise!, it is.

                    It's the SUPREME COURT, Stupid!

                    by ultrageek on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:13:18 PM PDT

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                •  bleh (none / 0)

                  Good heavens!  If it were Obama's daughter, do you think the Republicans would take the "high road" and not publicize his daughter's sexuality because it wasn't pertinent to the candidate?

                  We're not at war with Allan Keys. He's going to lose, so this kind of thing dosn't matter.

        •  It was INTENDED to be private (none / 0)

          Read the original post: the source is a post that was made private and only viewable by a list of pre-approved people, online friends and such. Because Xanga's security is weak, though, someone was able to get around it and found this post and now we all get to read what she meant to be private.

          Recall the recent "Watergate II" in which a Democratic computer nerd accidentally left unprotected a bunch of strategy files related to the Democrats' political moves. It wasn't meant to be available to the Republicans, but they went ahead and dove in.

          They're not that much different. But where one was partisan politics, this one is partisan politics AND using a 19-year-old girl's sexual orientation, which she obviously isn't making public, to attack a guy who's going to loose the race anyway.

          The Bush Plan:
          Step 1.: Invade Iraq.
          Step 2.: ???
          Step 3.: Democracy!

          by the good reverend on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:21:53 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, and heaven knows... (3.00 / 4)

            the Republicans would never use anything the Democrats left lying around that could be damaging to them.

            Nope, those honorable, Christian, God-fearing Republicans would just say "you know what?  I'm sure the Democrats wouldn't want us to say that, so let's not".

            Dream on.

            It's the SUPREME COURT, Stupid!

            by ultrageek on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:25:04 PM PDT

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          •  Except (4.00 / 2)

            it was found through a link in her postings to a Keyes for Senate listserv--this wasn't private.  
          •  No. (none / 0)

            That post WAS NOT PRIVATE.  Go to her blog, scroll to the bottom, and click "next 5".  It's right there.  I won't post any links so you can see for yourself.  

            That WAS NOT a private post.  No hacking necessary.

            •  my bad (none / 0)

              Alright, I was wrong. My bad. I just got the wrong impression from Kos' post.

              While my moral objections are more or less quelled, we have better things to focus on at the moment, I think.

              The Bush Plan:
              Step 1.: Invade Iraq.
              Step 2.: ???
              Step 3.: Democracy!

              by the good reverend on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 11:49:14 PM PDT

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      •  hit submit too soon (4.00 / 4)

        I wanted to add that while some may find this a worthwhile topic, perhaps one of the most noted and respected liberal blogs is not the best place to air this piece of dirty laundry.  There are plenty of places to disseminate such stories, and we shouldn't give anyone any reason to attack this one.
    •  no kidding.. (4.00 / 6)

      I mean, come on Kos, a) she's just a kid, and b) Keyes was crashing and burning already. If anything, this will make him seem more human and bump him up two or three points. Which should put him with in...oh, 52 or 53 points of victory. I say, let the poor kid use the internet to network with some of her friends without being subject to comment from a gazillion eager lefties (including me!). Gay and 19 is hard enough already. Just being 19 is hard enough. And furthermore, if this is some wildly elaborate hoax, everyone posting here (including me!) will look kinda silly.

      "Where did it all go wrong? There ought to be a law against Henry./ -Mr. Bones: there is." - John Berryman

      by watt on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:32:16 PM PDT

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    •  I agree (4.00 / 2)

      Frankly, if this is true and Alan knows, she's already in deep enough shit with her parents.  If she's still in the closet with her family (If I were gay and in her shoes, I'd be in the closet) then this might out her.  Putting it on a website and letting people know that you're a conservative Republican's kid in any case would almost certainly trigger a screaming match between the two.  As much as I dislike Keyes, I still don't think that this is really acceptable.  I'm for deleting all of this, if only for her family's sake.
    •  Yeah, but this is Chicago... (none / 0)

      ...where the private lives of political kids are front and center. Usually as objects of ridicule.
    •  What the fuck are you babbling about (none / 0)

      She posted her "personal lifE" on the internet... SHE put it out for the whole world to see. And good on her.

      That her father is an anti-gay bigoted freak and trying to shape PUBLIC POLICY is relevant.

      This is not someone invading her privacy, but her posting her stuff on the internet for thew world to see.

      Get fucking real for a second.

  •  Why is the Posted? (3.73 / 23)

    We all know Maya Keyes is parentally impared.  If she knows it, why make her life more difficult than it already would be because of her dad being Alan Keyes?  

    Besides, if we don't know that this is a hoax, it shouldn't be up here.

    We're supposed to be better than this.

    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by DHinMI on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 09:23:24 PM PDT

  •  Two wrongs (3.64 / 14)

    Isn't this type of post really beneath the serious minded voter.  No matter what your opinion of Alan Keye's daughter, it certainly does not elevate you to present this type of commentary.
  •  I'm in support of posting this. (2.80 / 10)

    If she hides things that she wishes to specifically "protect" on her blog site, but hasn't taken the proper steps to truly secure it, then it's fair game for anyone to crack into it if they have the means.  I agree that we don't know what this photo means yet, but I am all for posting it, generating discussion, and trying to find out more about her positions on things, etc.
  •  you are way too into trying to out people (none / 1)

    I understand the hypocrisy involved and since the big debate over Dreier I notice he hasn't been on the TV circuit lately.

    I don't give a shit who is gay and who is not.  If they are gay they deserve to be outed because they are hypocrites.  

    But do we have to start out by "Is this so and so caught in a comprising position?.....I have no proof that shes gay but, wow, what a picture huh?"

    The other poster is right, when I was in college it was a five dollar bet to get a girl to kiss her best friend.  

    Oh well troll away, I'm used to it.

    •  we had a theory in college (1.50 / 2)

      95% of girls are three shots away from lesbianism.

      made for interesting nights

    •  Huh? (4.00 / 2)

      Not necessarily directed at you bloviator, but ... Why is the first assumption always that the person is embarassed to be gay and any mention of that fact is i.e. outing them?  This really is offensive to gays.  Do you really think that all gays are in the closet?  Or is it just that she must be in the closet because she is Keyes' daugther?  From the quotes on her blog she seems justly proud of her preference and is an activist on gay issues.  I frankly think this hush--hush he or she is gay attitude is outrageous.  Think how ridiculous and hurtful Keyes' comments about his daughter's preference must be to her?  Also, from his belief he must think his own daughter is going to burn forever in hell.  This is not a game, but we need to put the onus of shame on those who are really trying to wedge our families apart with their religious hate-speech, those would would soil the sacrosanct constitutional birthrights of every American by codifying hate into that document which tells us that our creator endows each of us invioable rights.  I wouldn't shove Alan Keyes's daughter into a closet of your own making, unless you know for a fact she wants to be there.
      •  Just For The Record.... (none / 0)

        My disgust at this post has absolutely nothing to do with any feeling or assumption that Maya Keyes is in any way embarassed to be gay.  And I wouldn't know if Kos just "outed" her or not.  That has nothing whatsoever to do with my complete disgust.  This has no business here.

        "Salvation for a race, nation or class must come from within. Freedom is never granted; it is won. Justice is never given; it is exacted." A. Phillip Randolph

        by Savage on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:19:31 PM PDT

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      •  It doesn't matter (4.00 / 2)

        if you think gay people should be proud to be gay.  The question is:  should her sexuality be private or be discussed by hundreds of thousands of strangers?  And is dailykos the forum for talking about her sexuality?  She's not running for office.  But it's not even about her being gay specifically--that's just what gives the story such resonance.  The private life of a young girl should remain private.

        Bayh-partisan: it's the new joementum

        by gogol999 on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 10:27:59 PM PDT

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        •  Double huh? (none / 0)

          This is on her blog, and her girlfriend's blag as well.  She is proud of her sexuality and is not trying to be private about it, and since we are in the midst of a historic attack on gay rights and demonization of gays by the right . . . it is relevant.  Why do conservatives push this kind of hate that wounds their own children?  
        •  Moot question (none / 0)

          That question is a non-starter since she put her sexuality out for public access on the internet.

          This isn't some clandestine thing, or even an "outing" at all.

          She is out, and posted about her sexuality on a blog accessible to the world.

          •  If so, (none / 0)

            and if this really wasn't a part of her blog she made an effort to keep private (something explicitly stated in the original post), I guess I still don't see why we're talking about it.  Find me a pic of Alan Keyes swapping spit with Matt Drudge in a nightclub and I'll see the relevance.  Having a gay daughter doesn't make Keyes a hypocrite.  Kos took the pic down, at least.

            Bayh-partisan: it's the new joementum

            by gogol999 on Sun Sep 26, 2004 at 11:11:49 PM PDT

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            •  Becuase he rails against the daughters of others (none / 0)

              who are gay... because he equates his own daughters sexual orientation with Nazism, and he is running for office.

              Because he wants to codify discrimination based on sexual orientation into the Constitution which impact other people's daughters as well.

              Because he IS a hypocrite to rail about Cheney's daughter but not excoriate himself.

              •  Right. (none / 0)

                And we're talking about him, not her.  Brother, I don't disagree with a thing you said.  We don't use the sexuality of our opponents' children against them (hopefully), but it does go to show.

                Bayh-partisan: it's the new joementum

                by gogol999 on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 01:05:39 AM PDT

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              •  "lestat", (none / 0)

                why did you zero my post below?  you really think i'm a super troll?  you're abusing the system, and that shit is getting extremely old.

                Bayh-partisan: it's the new joementum

                by gogol999 on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 01:13:34 AM PDT

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                •  Your comment to another blogger saying... (none / 0)

                  "based on what kind of asshole dad sired you, then god help us all. "

                  Is Super-Troll worthy.

                  I am not abusing anything in the rating system. That remark and post was and remains wholly without merit and rightfully deserves a "0" in my estimation.

                  •  My full comment was: (none / 0)

                    "If karma was doled out based on what kind of asshole dad sired you, then god help us all.  There's nothing GREAT about outing your enemies' children.", which was responding to a comment blaming Keyes' daughter for Alan Keyes' positions.

                    You know that's not a troll comment.  I can give "0"s too, and I haven't.  I've enjoyed your posts before, so I'm pretty baffled as to why you're handing me zeros tonight.

                    Bayh-partisan: it's the new joementum

                    by gogol999 on Mon Sep 27, 2004 at 01:31:37 AM PDT

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                    •  I rated that ONE post a ZERO (none / 0)

                      Because it read as you directing the comment at another blogger.

                      I misread it since the "if karma were dolled out" subject as first part of the sentence below, and see now you were speaking to the "sins of a father" hypothetical not directing it at the other blogger which is how it read initially.

                      Will un-rate the zero.

                      •  I get you. (