Skip to main content

The National Journal polled 187 DNC members, and their results were noted today:
First Choice for DNC Chair

Dean      31% (58 votes)
Frost     16% (30 votes)
Roemer     4% (8 votes)
Fowler     4% (7 votes)
Webb       2% (4 votes)
Rosenberg  2% (4 votes)
Leland     1% (1 vote)
Refused   40% (75 votes)

Second Choice for DNC Chair

Frost     11% (20 votes)
Dean       9% (16 votes)
Fowler     7% (13 votes)
Webb       7% (13 votes)
Rosenberg  6% (11 votes)
Leland     2% (4 vote)
Roemer     2% (3 votes)
Refused   58% (107 votes

Last Choice for DNC Chair

Roemer    16% (29 votes)
Dean      11% (21 votes)
Rosenberg  6% (12 votes)
Frost      4% (7 votes)
Fowler     4% (7 votes)
Leland     3% (5 vote)
Webb       2% (4 votes)
Refused   54%

The Hotline on its methodology:
The Hotline surveyed the entire DNC membership 1/11-14 and received responses from 187 members; approx 42% of the entire DNC membership; While we believe this is about as scientific of a survey that can be conducted of the DNC; For the record, every member of the DNC was contacted at least 3 times. The results below include percentages and the actual tallies; many respondents who participated refused to answer every question in our survey.
In other words, the poll isn't very scientific at all. But for what it's worth, it's clear Dean is in the driver's chair, but will have to work to get those extra few points.

It also looks like the anti-Roemer efforts have paid off. He's dead in the water. Frost is now the top status-quo candidate.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:51 PM PST.

EMAIL TO A FRIEND X
Your Email has been sent.
You must add at least one tag to this diary before publishing it.

Add keywords that describe this diary. Separate multiple keywords with commas.
Tagging tips - Search For Tags - Browse For Tags

?

More Tagging tips:

A tag is a way to search for this diary. If someone is searching for "Barack Obama," is this a diary they'd be trying to find?

Use a person's full name, without any title. Senator Obama may become President Obama, and Michelle Obama might run for office.

If your diary covers an election or elected official, use election tags, which are generally the state abbreviation followed by the office. CA-01 is the first district House seat. CA-Sen covers both senate races. NY-GOV covers the New York governor's race.

Tags do not compound: that is, "education reform" is a completely different tag from "education". A tag like "reform" alone is probably not meaningful.

Consider if one or more of these tags fits your diary: Civil Rights, Community, Congress, Culture, Economy, Education, Elections, Energy, Environment, Health Care, International, Labor, Law, Media, Meta, National Security, Science, Transportation, or White House. If your diary is specific to a state, consider adding the state (California, Texas, etc). Keep in mind, though, that there are many wonderful and important diaries that don't fit in any of these tags. Don't worry if yours doesn't.

You can add a private note to this diary when hotlisting it:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from your hotlist?
Are you sure you want to remove your recommendation? You can only recommend a diary once, so you will not be able to re-recommend it afterwards.
Rescue this diary, and add a note:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary from Rescue?
Choose where to republish this diary. The diary will be added to the queue for that group. Publish it from the queue to make it appear.

You must be a member of a group to use this feature.

Add a quick update to your diary without changing the diary itself:
Are you sure you want to remove this diary?
(The diary will be removed from the site and returned to your drafts for further editing.)
(The diary will be removed.)
Are you sure you want to save these changes to the published diary?

Comment Preferences

  •  I am starting to care about this. (4.00)
    If Dean gets it, I am willing to believe there's hope for the Dems.  I'll stick with them a while longer.
    •  Go Dean! (none)
      We need some progressive thought -- that reflects the Democratic wing of our party.
      •  And keep Roemer (none)

        And the likes of Casey OUT of leadership...
        •  Oh boy! (1.31)
          When are you gonna learn? Dean lost the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries. He is too extreme for even moderate Democrats, let alone the average voter. Dean is a loser. His views lost us the election. Dean is the Buchanan of the Democratic Party. We need a more centrist figure or we will be crying about lost elections for years to come.
          •  lemme guess... (4.00)
            you wanna see some... Joementum instead?

            :/

            A Dean Democrat and proud of it. We will work together to take our country back.

            by descolada99 on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 02:37:57 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  please (4.00)
            We've done it your way for over a decade.  Come back when you haven't cost us all three branches of government.
            •  Clinton (3.00)
              Was a centrist. We did pretty good with him. We won the presidency twice.
              •  The Center (none)
                In case you haven't noticed - every time we let them define "the Center" they pull it further to the Right.  We need someone who will stand up for real progressive values to rally Dem's to pull the Center back to center. That's Howard Dean.
              •  and lost everything else (none)
                Clinton. Never again.

                Howard Dean or I go Green!

                by davidwparker on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 07:12:20 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

              •  asdf (none)
                clinton wouldn't have won without Perot in the mix. it hurts to say it but he got lucky in the right circumstances (not saying I didn't like the guy. Compared to where those on your end of the party want to take us he was a lefty)

                A Dean Democrat and proud of it. We will work together to take our country back.

                by descolada99 on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 10:15:44 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

              •  Clinton was a centrist the second time around (none)
                He ran the first time as a populist. (That's far left.)  And when he did that he put the smackdown on Bush and Perot (and exit polls show that Perot took away votes from both Bush and Clinton equally).  

                '96?  Sheez, Al Sharpton could have beaten Dole. (no offense).

              •  Did Not! (none)
                We didn't do well with Clinton. We got the presidency, but it was an empty victory because the country just kept moving to the right. We didn't win the ideological battle that predicates future wins.

                The only way for the Democrats to continue to win is to stake out their values and defend them. The problem with Clinton was that he didn't stop the slide that Nixon started and Reagan accelerated. We have to answer the conservatives. We have to stand on liberalism and make it real for the American people. If we don't do that we can only win elections by caving in on our values until there's no difference between being a Democrat and being a Republican.

                That's why I didn't vote for Clinton and wouldn't vote for another Democrat like him. I only voted for Kerry this year because I saw some beginnings of spine in the Democratic Party. If that's an illusion, what's my incentive to stay?

                I vote for people who defend my rights and liberties. If they don't do that, I won't vote for them and I certainly won't campaign for them.

                I'm the mythical swing voter. My vote swings on which way the Democratic Party swings. Swing left and you've got my vote. Swing right and I'll give it to one of the additional parties. It's just that simple. Do you want to win elections or not?

                Liberal Thinking

                Think, liberally.

                by Liberal Thinking on Mon Jan 17, 2005 at 11:04:11 AM PST

                [ Parent ]

          •  Plant (4.00)
            Look at his track record.
            •  good call (3.75)
              Thanks for the tip.  I originally rated his comment here as Marginal, but after seeing he links to a blog which makes this statement:

              The Democratic Party has been hijacked by loony extreme leftist fringe groups, like MoveOn.org, the Anti-War movement, Planned Parenthood, Michael Moore, George Soros, PETA and the militant homosexual/lesbian lobby.

              I realized he lives under a bridge, eats babies, and regenerates unless damaged by fire or acid.

          •  What? (4.00)
            You tout Schweitzer and then condemn Dean as too extreme.

            Ummm... Okay...

            1.) Dean's rating with the NRA: AAA (psst, that's the best you can get, and BTW considered a very conservative stance)
            2.) Dean was against the Iraqi war, Dean supported invading Afganistan.  (psst, that means he not a peacenik and he's serious about the war on terror, unlike GWB)
            3.) Schweitzer ran on a pro-environmental lobby.  Dean's for protecting the environment. (so they have the same stance)
            4.) Both are pro-small business, anti-big business. (same stance again!)
            5.) The only stance on the issues that is different between the two is that Schweitzer supported the hetero marriage amendment in Montana and I don't think that Dean would have.
            6.) Schweitzer has a huge ego.  He's the Richard Branson of politics in Montana.  He's showboated  his way into office. Dean has an ego.  (once again, they're very similar)
            7.) Saddam's capture isn't/wasn't a big deal (or maybe it'll take the coffins of your brothers to notice that there is no easing up in Iraq?)
            8.)  Iowa and New Hampshire.  Last I checked Kerry didn't even carry Iowa, so why the f*%# should it have a (seemingly decisive) say in who decides what is best for the party?  Kerry barely carried New Hampshire.  
            9.) If he gets the votes from the DNC chairs, I would say that he gets votes from his own party.  He had to ask the other day that people stop sending in letters to the chairs because they were being innundated with letters asking them to support him.  I don't see anyone else asking their supporters to do the same.
            9.) Howard is a reform candidate.  That means that he'll bring in new blood.  

            So basically what I'm saying is the you don't have a leg to stand on.  Schweitzer (who you tout as being the Democratic candidate to model all future ones on in your blog) and Dean have the same stance on the issues and yet in some way you seem to think that Dean is waaaaaaaaaaaay out in left field, yet Schweitzer is moderate.  Don't think so.  I know you're pissed off, but your pissed off at the wrong things and the wrong people.

          •  Don't forget Grover (none)
            We need a more centrist figure or we will be crying about lost elections for years to come.

            I hear Grover Norquist isn't doing anything, maybe you should ask him to be DNC chair.

          •  Dean's Surprising Support (none)
            I know a people who voted for Bush who were very much for Dean.  I don't think the lines cut as neatly as you think
        •  Roemer is awful, Casey isn't (none)
          Roemer is a right-winged fascist Indiana idiot. Casey is just an old-school Catholic Democrat. No, I don't agree with him on abortion - but he is against overturning Roe v. Wade despite his personal beliefs. And on other issues, he's a good liberal. Everybody stop demonizing Casey and realize that the real threat is people like Roemer and Zell taking control of the party!
    •  I could live with either (4.00)
      Dean or Rosenberg. The rest I wont bolt the party over besides Roemer (maybe) but they just wont be that great as heads.
    •  As opposed to what? (n/t) (none)
  •  When does Roemer drop out and throw (4.00)
    ... his support to Frost?

    I've been thinking that's the plan all along.  Let Roemer be the lightning rod and slip Frost past Dean.

    But what do I know?  I have been wrong with every political prediction in the past two years.

    •  I was just thinking about... (none)
      ...how much this could be bad for those that support Dean for DNC chair (I refuse to 'endorse' anybody, not like it matters).  Dean as the front-runner in a poll in multi-candidate field crumbled in the process when put to a real vote, but this time the election process is different (and so was this polling), so maybe those people out there who support still have hope?  We shall see...
    •  Let's preempt this (none)
      We've succesfully undermined Roemer, now let's start opposition research on Frost.

      It's time to start fighting like the people who win.  Let's ruin ex-Rep. Martin.

      Ebo

      •  Shouldn't be too hard... (none)
        He ran ads in his congressional race praising President Bush on the Iraq war, etc.
        •  To the two of you: (4.00)
          "Let's ruin people..."

          WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

          Why are we Dems obsessed with fratricide.  My word!

          And no, Frost DID NOT run ads praising Bush's actions--in the Iraq war or any other realm.

          The ads spoke to one issue: airline safety.  We all like safe planes, right?

          Anyhow, 409 members of congress voted for the bill.  Pete Sessions, Frost's opponent, was one of 10 (JUST 10 IDIOTS) to vote against the bill.

          Frost's ads were nothing more than an attempt to show voters in an overwhelmingly Republican district that Sessions was too extreme even for them.

          When will people start understanding the difference between political STRATEGY and political IDEOLOGY.  Frost ran a savvy campaign; Frost is a proud, strong, passionate Democrat.

          •  I know this (4.00)
            I'm no fool.  I know Frost's record.  But it's high time we start playing to win.  The reason why the GOP is so successful is because they spent the last 20 years removing their left flank... and so they don't have to deal with party disloyalty or an inability to articulate a coherent message in the way that we do.

            Martin Frost is a good man, but if he stands in the way of defeating the Republicans, I'll throw him off the boat myself.  It's time to stop protecting individuals and start building a strategy that can help America.

          •  I think I love you (none)
            Now where's pacific city with my partridge?

            "For all his flaws...I have yet to see any Democrat that I trust more, or who has taken more shit without flinching." - Wintermule on John Kerry

            by OxyLiberal on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 06:27:02 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  Goodness me, yes (4.00)
            Playing hardball in your own party is so counterproductive.  Look how destroying McCain hurt Bush.  And look how the Democratic Party's tolerance of Lieberman and Miller has paid dividends.  
      •  We can call him (none)
        A DINO (literally, a dino), and accuse him of not being a real Democrat because of his support of Bush and betrayal of his party just so he could win reelection (and, of course, he lost anyway). But, Frost is actually better than that, or at least he used to be. He certainly isn't what we need for DNC chair, but next to Roemer he looks like Jimmy Carter.
      •  We can call him (none)
        A DINO (literally, a dino), and accuse him of not being a real Democrat because of his support of Bush and betrayal of his party just so he could win reelection (and, of course, he lost anyway). But, Frost is actually better than that, or at least he used to be. He certainly isn't what we need for DNC chair, but next to Roemer he looks like Jimmy Carter.
        •  Martin Frost (none)
          Martin Frost has run very successful campaigns in Districts that otherwise voted Republican. He was Tom DeLay's primary target in the Texas redistricting for good reason. He is smart, extremely capable and the kind of Democrat the red-state Republicans fear most.

          His positions have also been a grest deal more Democratic than was good for him in a red state like Texas, and he has had no support from the Texas Democratic party for years, since there is no effective texas Democratic Party.

          I seriously doubt that the Democratic Party has any better candidate for the DNC.

          Update: There are Lies, Damned Liars and FOX News.' Politics Plus Stuff

          by Rick B on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 03:46:38 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Then he needs to win the confidence... (3.50)
            of blue staters like me by saying something STRONG and PROGESSIVE and MEAN IT... because I'm SICK of catering to red staters who neither speak for me nor deliver the win... Even 'blue staters' like Kerry are going against their better instincts in doing this... and losing.

            Listen this country is MASSIVELY divided on a number of issues. Getting a 'middle of the roader' who won't appeal to EITHER side will not help the dems...  We have to make strong principled stands then sell them to the public - win or lose with that.

            If Frost comes out and says something REAL strong, REAL proud, REAL progressive - then I'll consider him. Right now it sounds like he is trying to sell us on being almost-republicans.

            As another ex-Texas congressman once said "The only thing you find in the 'middle of the road' is dead armadillos..." - Dick Armey

            •  The "dead armadillos" wasn't Armey (none)
              That line was one of Jim Hightowers' better ones.

              The Chairman of the DNC will very quickly disappear into the woodwork. You seem to expect him to be some kind of high-profile politician.

              The job simply won't support the kind of politicing you seem to expect. Is that because Dean is running, and that is what Dean is good at?

              I'd rather see someone there who can restructure the party infra-structure. It ~doesn't matter~ if the Chairman of the DNC is able to heal the split in the Democratic Party. Whoever holds that job will NEVER have the opportunity to do so.

              It will take a politician to do that, and Chairman of the DNC is NOT a politicians' job.

              Update: There are Lies, Damned Liars and FOX News.' Politics Plus Stuff

              by Rick B on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 08:39:51 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

      •  Do it with his record (none)
        And of course, with nothing else.
    •  Scary (none)
      Why does this look like Iowa two months out?

      I hate polls. But I am suffering from PESS (Post Election Stress Syndrome).

      Another Brian Schweitzer Deanocrat

      by Ed in Montana on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:45:37 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  I told ya ... (none)
      Frost was the dark horse to keep our eyes on.  He was clearly the number two favorite (Dean being first) at last week's caucus.
  •  "Refused" vote (4.00)
    .. is pretty high.  I'll be more confident when more of them start answering.

    Most likely the ones who answered are very strong in their preferences ... makes sense, since Dean inspires strong feelings one way or the other.

    But it's those "undecideds" who will (once again) determine the result.

    •  "Refused" or "stealth"? (none)
      Hopefully those who refuse to answer are not a block of stealth voters for Frost or Timmy the DINO.

      If the refuseniks don't vote as a bloc, it looks good for Dean.  But there's still potential for them to coalesce behind a stop-Dean candidate.

      •  Too early to tell (none)
        And I suspect some of them haven't decided yet. Right now, if you add Dean's and Rosenberg's votes (there are multiple rounds, so I assume eventually Rosenberg's votes would go Dean or vice versa) you've still only got a fraction of what you need to have. And I suspect a lot of those refused are holding out for something (witness Dean's softer stance on IA of late). So I suspect the next month will be a lot of horsetrading, and we may not see the results of it for a while.
    •  refused might be for Roemer (none)
      With that many people refusing to answer, and with everyone aware that the grassroots hate Roemer, I am concerned. I could easily imagine Roemer voters not wanting to cop to it.

      I called the Iowa DNC members--two of them said they are going to St. Louis to hear the candidates and hadn't yet made up their minds. I got the strong impression that neither of them would vote for Roemer, though.

  •  For what it's worth (none)
    Frost doesnt seem to be a right-winger. Is he a reform candidate? I dont know. Dean is still #1 for me, Rosenberg and Fowler behin him. Frost wouldnt be death to the party, the only person who falls into that category, is Roemer.

    The last thing this country needs is two Republican parties.-Ted Kennedy

    by jj32 on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:32:56 PM PST

    •  He really is pretty liberal... (none)
      ...for a white democrat in Texas. It's not about his positions though. Frost seems to support the status quo. He is not a reformer.
    •  Frost (none)
      Frost is definitely not from the reform-wing of the party, but I don't find anything about him to be particularly objectionable, either. He'd be light-years better than Roemer.
    •  asdf (4.00)
      Frost doesnt seem to be a right-winger.

      And John Kerry was "the most liberal member of the Senate."

      The test isn't how they voted while the Republicans were controlling the agenda, it's whether they will be able to take control and push a Democratic agenda.

    •  Frost is so-so (none)
      On one hand, I think he'll be willing to listen to the grassroots, and to help work with us. On the other hand, if he's got the charisma and passion to excite the grassroots, coupled with the discipline to help us help him get work done, well... it doesn't show on his web site.

      Realizing that a web site isn't everything--one's coding skills have damned little to do with how effective one would be at organizing, fundraising, punditry, or any of the other things a DNC Chair may need to do, it simply makes sense that a DNC Chair take advantage of up-to-date technology. And, uh, well, not to be a snob, but Frost's site was coded in Microsoft Publisher--not exactly a ringing endorsement.

      Hungry for energy news and discussion? Have some Fuel For Thought!

      by lilithvf1998 on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 02:47:18 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Frost isn't a right-winger... (none)
      But he sure as hell isn't a reformer, either.  Nevertheless, he is far superior to the likes of Tim Roemer.

      (Insert Democrat Here) for President in 2008!

      by teenagedallasdeaniac on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 04:39:19 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I got my fingers crossed for Dean (none)
    but I am surprised that Rosenberg didn't place higher on the list.  I would feel better if Rosenberg switched places with Roemer.  

    "Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." - H.H. The 14th Dalai Lama

    by Mariposa on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:33:20 PM PST

  •  Kos... (none)
    Could you go over exactly how the head is elected?  I know only the DNC members get a vote, but this survey seems to indicate that there is some sort of an 'instant run-off' in the equation.  Could you elaborate?

    Thanks!

    I am a good American and I support the Troops. My car bumper says so!

    by RichM on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:33:38 PM PST

  •  OMG (none)
    why do you keep referring to Roemer as a "status quo" candidate.  I guess we are all entitled to our wrong opinions.  Anyway, it would be a huge mistake to pick Dean right now. He needs time to redefine his image.  Sucks to see Rosenberg doing so poorly, but with nearly 50% refusing to participate this is pretty useless information.
  •  Roemer, the Jon Stewart version (none)
    I just loved it earlier this week when Jon Stewart flat-out called Roemer a Republican.

    But I'm not in Berkeley anymore

    by Paul in Berkeley on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:34:53 PM PST

  •  What about the demographics? (none)
    Is there any clue to the demographics of those who participated versus those who didn't? If the majority of the respondents were from outside the beltway, then we're in serious trouble.
  •  Dead Duck and need some luck (none)
    Well Roemer is a dead duck.

    I am shocked by the support of Frost, but my guess is a lot is from the large Texas delegation.

    surprised Rosenberg isnt doing better to be honest.

    A lot of refusals too, but with more regional caucuses ahead maybe that will change as they see and hear for themselves.

    Looking at the negatives, it looks like there is a considerable status quo, with both Dean and Rosenberg getting 17% combined. Higher than I would like. And higher than roemer on his own.

    I think we need an angle to take down Frost and discredit the status quo completely. Who's got the texas dirt ?

    I am a Reform Democrat

    by Pounder on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:37:01 PM PST

  •  How could anyone... (3.50)
    ...not want Dean to lead this thing?
    •  because (none)
      he is, however unjustly, perceived as an anti-war, left-wing extremist.  I don't see how anyone can actually think he is good for the party at this point.  he is a spent force outside the left-wing base.
      •  I might have said a few months ago but now.. (4.00)
        I might have said the same thing a few months ago.
        But after seeing Bush pull of a win by courting the most right wing part of his base..who knows,..maybe we should do the same thing. As I stated above, I agreed with your thinking and kept thinking the Democrats were losing going too far left but I was wrong and I will gladly admit that. I am a Clintonista no more..LOL..going too conservative to win just does not work anymore. Clinton did it but that does not mean it can happen again running as a moderate.
        •  you are CORRECT (4.00)
          remember, Clinton only got 43 percent in 1992, and 49 percent in 1996, against two geriatric, dull candidates.
          Kerry and Gore on the other hand got a solid 48 percent in 2000 and in 2004.
          I would put forward that by running a true progressive who sticks to his/her guns - you will make up that three percent.
          People decided to pass on Kerry not because he was "too left wing" but because he, like Gore, was too "blah"

          You go to war with the defense secretary you have, not the defense secretary you might want or wish to have.

          by Bill Blanc on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 02:48:49 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Well, there was a certain Texan running... (none)
            ...against Clinton as well as the boring Republican canidate in each race.  And Perot is anything but dull.
            •  Exactly (none)
              and Perot took Republican support away, giving Clinton the victory despite his poor support.  Gore was running against Nader, who took Democratic support away, but he damn near won anyway.  Gore's performance was better than Clinton's, not worse, and so was Kerry's, and what little damage they suffered was because they were:

              a) outvoted by a turnout of extreme right-wingers who are never going to vote for the Democrat, no matter how far toward the "center" (read: right) they go, and,

              b) undervoted by a peelaway toward the left, who prefer the Green manifesto.

              The evidence of the last three Democratic presidential nominees' performances just doesn't support the myth that "the Democratic party needs to move right to appeal to the voters"; it supports the opposite view.  

      •  More than 50% of Americans... (none)
        ... think the war was a mistake.  And that number will continue to grow.

        So what's your point?

      •  The only perceptions (none)
        that matter this time 'round are the ones casting the votes on Feb. 12.  
        •  I never see this sentiment (none)
          expressed in threads where Dean gushing is non-stop.

          "For all his flaws...I have yet to see any Democrat that I trust more, or who has taken more shit without flinching." - Wintermule on John Kerry

          by OxyLiberal on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 06:36:02 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  I respect the heck out of ya, Markos (4.00)
    but I find your conclusion to be a bit suspect. The universe is so small (< 500) and the mindset of each individual member is so idiosyncratic . Each state also has different methods for selecting DNC members (Hawaii's $25K donation requirement being one).

    Plus, when the 'undecideds' or the 'refused's are so large, it's hard to say whether anyone is in the driver's seat. Is Dean in the mix? Absolutely. Do I prefer him above the others in the game? You bet. Am I confident he will get it? Not one bit.

    Jeremy Kalin for MN House
    A Strong Voice for a Better Minnesota

    by JK Minnesota on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:39:54 PM PST

    •  Yes (none)
      Pretty small sample, considering all the people who refused to answer.

      Driver's seat?  More like he's called front seat first.  Well, he's officially in the car, anyway.  And he's the only one I am sure will not drive us off a cliff...

      taken this analogy as far as it can go, shutting up...

      "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips

      by poemless on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:47:34 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Rosenberg (none)
    For somone who did a whole lot of great work during this election cycle, no one really seems all that fond of him. Any ideas why?
  •  Dean will generate energy, change, vibrancy (none)
    Dean will generate energy, promote change, add a vibrancy, spark hope that is much needed right now in the Democratic party. Granted, the media will have a field day tearing him apart and making fun of him. But he can withstand it and we can fight for him.
    •  How would Dean do that?? (none)
      Dean will generate energy, promote change, add a vibrancy, spark hope that is much needed right now in the Democratic party.

      I saw nothing in his management of his Presidential campaign that indicates Dean is much of a manager or inside operator. The position at the DNC is more about what he can get done through others than it is about who he is and who he can get excited from the public.

      Clearly a lot of people here like Dean, but that isn't really the qualification the job requires. What does he bring that makes him qualified?

      Update: There are Lies, Damned Liars and FOX News.' Politics Plus Stuff

      by Rick B on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 04:00:32 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  What does Dean bring to the Party? (none)
        Dean posesses a progressive, pragmatic, rational style that is attractive to people across the political spectrum.  People (from across the political spectrum) have stuck with Dean and his organization thru thick and thin because it is obvious from his actions that he wants what is best for the Party (and, by extension, the country) and that he is willing to do whatever it takes to get it.  So, people are willing to go the distance with him.  It's not just about electing Howard Dean.  It never is.  It's about really making a difference.  
        •  That does NOT answer my question. (none)
          Dean posesses a progressive, pragmatic, rational style that is attractive to people across the political spectrum.

          So? I will agree that Dean is a very attractive politician. But I don't see the job of Chairman of the DNC as being a job for a politician. Instead it is a management job for a person who is going to support politicians. To do that job properly the incumbent may never be heard from publicly again (yeah, an exageration - barely.)

          I have a great deal of respect for someone who can succeed as a politician. That is a job that requires a rare set of skills, including the ability to operate well in the public eye and to enjy that, and demands a lot more work than sane and sensible people are going to put in. The Chairman of the DNC is going to see his best work never recognized by the public. That is NOT a characteristic I expect from a good politician.

          As long as the DNC places mechanisms into postition that allow politicians to present their views and gets them elected, what do the views of the Chairman of the DNC matter?

          The only arguments I see for Dean to get the job relate to how attractive a politician he is. That job doesn't need a good politician as much as it requires a good manager. That wasn't a characteristic that I saw presented very strongly in Dean's campaign for President.

          Update: There are Lies, Damned Liars and FOX News.' Politics Plus Stuff

          by Rick B on Sat Jan 15, 2005 at 05:29:52 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Don't like the high negatives (none)
    for Dean (last choice).

    Why do I feel like it's 2004 again?

    •  Exactly (none)
      Those are my thoughts exactly.  While Dean has a large number of positive support, he's got alot of negatives as well.  

      All it takes is another coalition of anti-Deans to sink him.

      If that is the case, I will probably happily never vote Dem. again.  And I'm not a green person at all, but this sort of fraticide in pursuit of an ugly losing streak is about all I can handle anymore.

      And...although I really, really hate to say it, I get nervous when Kos implies something is a sure thing.  I love this site and what Kos stands for, but it terms of predicting elections he's starting to rival Shrum.

      •  Keep an open mind (none)
        The DNC needs a visionary thinker and strategist, not a cult of personality.

        People credit Dean with revolutionizing Internet campaigns. I find that comical. The man himself barely uses a computer.

        Yes it's true he energized small party donors, but he did level off after an initial burst of success.

        I can appreciate his tough talk, but I don't think it's the message to win in the south or those pesky red states. It resonates with some but turns off just as many.

        He'll be any easy target for Rush and the FOX gang...

        talking point #1. Yeee-ahhh. repeat. repeat.

        Yes, it's bogus, but it's reality.

        Rosenberg, seems the most visionary, with less baggage.

    •  The negatives aren't high (none)
      enough to be of concern to me.  

      But it is probably a safe bet that there is a lot of jockeying going on in the back rooms.  Do they all coalesce around Frost or are they waiting for a signal to see which way the money is going?

  •  Frost? (none)
    Everyone I know (friends, not DNC members) has Dean as first choice and Rosenberg as their second.  But Frost is #2 in this poll.  So, what's the scoop on Frost?  Why is he special?  Anyone know?

    "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips

    by poemless on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:42:07 PM PST

  •  poll comments (4.00)
    1. This was not a real poll.  It reached less than half of all voting members, and there is no way to extrapolate from these results to the greater group of DNC members.  

    2. Each member is unique, If anything, the poll only shows that this race is wide open and that anything could happen.  Undecideds were the big winner in the polls - support for all the candidates is very soft.

    3. The top candidate is only a quarter of the way to what he needs to win, assuming that 'top preference' mean that the person has decided (which is not at all clear).
    •  I agree.. (none)
      42 per-cent participation is suspect at best, especially with a sampling as small as this. I didn't take statistics, but 189 out of 440 is not a very good grouping.

      However, my best wishes to Dean, because he seems like the best candidate for the job, and I'm still new to this democracy thing.

      •  Whoops. (none)
        My apologies, 187. In addition, approximately 40% of the group that did respond, basically said no comment, so really, you're looking at a response of approximately 75 people for the "First Choice" race, and so forth. 75 people out of 440 doesn't look any better.
  •  Dean will keep base together and unite us (none)
    Dean will keep the base together and unite us.
    I fear some other choices would splinter the base.
    And we could conceivably lose some of our most passionate members that we cannot afford to lose
    from the ranks of the Democratic fold.
    Bush won pleasing and courting his most conservative base. We should do the same.
    I did not always feel that way, but this election woke me the hell up. I was rather like Kerry, in favor of going more moderate, following the Clintonistas but all that changed after November 3rd.
    I am back baby as Frank Costanza would say on Seinfeld.
  •  13% Is the "Drivers Seat?" (3.66)
    First, it's not a poll, it's a survey.  They asked all the members, and only 42% responded, and more than half the responses were essentially non-responses.  

    Now, of those who self-selected--presumably most likely those who made up their mind independent of any affiliation, which would eliminate anyone in organized labor--only 58 picked Dean.  Nice showing among those who are declaring their preference.  But does it mean anything?  After all, that's only 13% of the voters declaring for Dean.  

    I think this survey means almost nothing.  

  •  One thing about Frost (none)
    The one good thing about Frost is that he has a very personal grudge against Tom DeLay.  I think it's a mistake to look to Texas Democrats for organizational success, but if Frost can turn whatever anger he feels towards DeLay into something the Dems can use to be a real opposition party, then that's a small comfort should he win.

    "Well... you could always hang yourself!"

    by Jugwine on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:44:15 PM PST

    •  Texas democrats are pretty tough cookies. (none)
      They've had to be.  If they are able to win public office here, like Frost, their political savvy and power is not to be sniffed at.  

      As a Texan myself, it wouldn't hurt my feelings if the cure for Bushism turned out to come from the very place that bred it.

      However, I don't know enough about Martin Frost to guess as to whether he'd be cure or an enabler. I am ashamed, I should know more than I do.  

      I do know that his political apprentice and onetime legislative assistant, Marc Veasey, beat out another Texas democrat, Glenn Lewis, for the Texas House.  Glenn Lewis didn't go to Oklahoma with the Texas legislature democrats protesting the Delay redistricting juggernaut.  He paid for that in the primaries.

    •  Yes but... (4.00)
      ...it has to be more than about get even. The dems need to get back to 'ideas' and 'values'... and I don't mean canned religiosity... about who we are and why we should be given a chance to lead again.

      While Frost nay be tough - he wasn't tough enough to fight off DeLay in his own back yard... how is he going to be tough enough to 'fight back' on a national front...

      If Frost wants to be SERIOUSLY considered  - he needs to sell us in the snow belt... we stayed blue... we don't want an almost red.

      He needs to show this isn't just about Texas.

  •  I'm optimistic about Dean winning (none)
    But I'm a bit disappointed in two things:

    One that Rosenberg isn't getting more props.
    Two that Frost is getting support. (But I guess they need to rally around a boring candidate. At least it's not Roemer.)

    But hey, Dean with a decent lead, and Roemer with a serious contingent against him... those both work for me.

    Google bomb tom delay and coward. Ask me how to help.

    by danthrax on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 01:45:59 PM PST

  •  I am not busting Kerry (none)
    I am not busting Kerry. In fact, I joined the Kerry ranks after Edwards was out.
    I was a passionate Kerry backer and grew to love him and respect him as a man, senator, and candidate.
    I really got to like him a great deal, more than I ever liked Gore or Clinton even.
    But when he was not successful in moving to the center, it proved the Clinton method of moving to the center is no longer working. We live in a different era now. I doubt Bill Clinton could have won in this first election post 9-11 and with a war time President courting and exciting the far right and getting them out to the polls. I am convinced Jesus of Nazareth himself could not have beat Bush this year.
    •  General Clark would have beat Bush (none)
      Worst case scenerio for Clark: He wins all the states that either Kerry or Gore won, plus his home state.  He wins 270-268.
      Best case scenerio for Clark: He wins all of that, plus Nevada, Colorado, Arizona, Ohio, Florida, maybe a few other southern states, maybe even Montana.
      •  Because he could fight. Clark and Dean in some (none)
        fashion seemed to be the winning ticket. We will never know, because that was the path not travelled. I wished he had announced sooner. I went to one Clark meetup and the spectrum was there -- voters of every type.

        Howard Dean or I go Green!

        by davidwparker on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 07:28:58 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  O U T N O W !!! (1.75)
    Kos:

    Don't you think it would be prudent to drag yourself out of the smoky backrooms and force yourself to give some cover time to the anti-war inauguration activities that are going to occur next week?

    Do we really, really care about what 180 or so professional, political fat cats, Democrat or not, think about "their" leadership possibilites?

    Time to wake up and smell the coffee.   The voice of the people will be shouting at the top of its lungs next week - O U T !!!!!    N O W !!!!!

    •  Umm... (4.00)
      Some of us do care a great deal about who who leads the DNC. Shouting at slogans at the inaugauration is fine, but real change will come from the inside.

      DNC leadership will be crucial in determining whether the party will continue a rightward drift toward an ever rightward drifting "center", or whether we will actively recruit candidates who reflect, well, the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party. (By now, it's probably obvious who I support.)

      The point is that instead of berating the "fat cats", we can take over their jobs.

    •  Priorities (none)
      Seeing as Bush's Republican Guard will not be letting protesters line the parade route to exert their 1st amendment rights, good luck with that...

      But IMHO your efforts would be much better spent attempting to help steer the future of the democratic party. I'm an Independent myself, but I am fully aware of the role we all play in terms of opposition to the current administration and what they stand for. We all need to be on board to prevent this new breed of neocon from winning another election and turning back the clock another 50 years.

      Howard Dean would bring some much needed fire and spine to the top of the party, and has no problem firing back at the Republican lie machine.

  •  Dean leads! Slowly I turn . . . (none)
    Hearing or reading that Dean is ahead in any poll causes sparks and smoke to come out of my brain.  I wouldn't count Dean ahead until three days after a vote showed that he won.

    This should be a rebuke to those who believe that Dean at the DNC is ridiculous or stupid.  The people who will be voting for this office are all experienced political professionals. They may not be geniuses, but they do know their business.

    This should also be a message to the Beltway Democrats to back off, especially Pelosi and Reid who have campaign organizations of their own to be concerned with.

  •  Gimme that old time Dean-o-rama (none)
    He's peaking too soon!

    /snark

  •  Simon Rosenberg for DNC Chairman! (none)
    I like Howard Dean as a Democratic politician but not as DNC chairmen. Dean is defined as a politician who views is well know by Democrats and misreported by the media.  Dean is no wild eye leftist, He is a mainstream Democrat which I agree with and would have voted for in the primary in Illinois and the election in 2004.

    Democratic Party does not need a politician as DNC chairmen.  Who knows the view of Karl Rove or the new chairmen of the RNC.  Is Karl Rove a pro life or anti -choice? It does not matter.  Karl Rove works for President Bush.  His view are the vies of his boss view.  Let the direction of the Democratic Party come from people running for office across America, not the new DNC chairmen.  

    The new DNC chairmen need to rebuild the party from the ground up, find candidates to run in every single race across America, build up the money base and so on.  

    Simon Rosenberg for DNC Chairman!

    Please read more about Simon Rosenberg.  

    Paul Glastris

    Matt Yglesias

    Joe Trippi

    Thomas F. Schaller

    Simon Rosenberg

    "I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." --Adlai Stevenson

    by Eloy on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 02:20:07 PM PST

    •  A few things (none)
      1. Rove is not the RNC Chair...  

      2. "The new DNC chairmen need to rebuild the party from the ground up, find candidates to run in every single race across America, build up
      the money base and so on. "

        --This is exactly what Dean has spent the last year doing.  And he's been doing it well.  And will keep doing it even if he is not chosen.

      3. It is the "Chair", there is only one, and it is not defined by gender (I slip on this too...)

      "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips

      by poemless on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 02:41:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  or new RNC Chairmen (none)
        You must have forgot to read the or part.  By the way the new RNC chairperson is Ken Mehlman.  

        Thanks, I slip up on the Chiar part too.  

        My point is people running for office should lead the party direction not DNC chairperson.  

        "I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." --Adlai Stevenson

        by Eloy on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 03:25:50 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Disagree (4.00)
      Anyone but Dean winning this thing will be a huge blow to THE most energetic and powerful force in this party right now. Over the last years we have seen most of the Democratic base pushed aside and allowed to whither on the vine. Only Howard Dean can make these people feel important. By once again brushing them aside I fear we will have completely lost them to third voters and to the huge block of non-participants in the process of governing OUR democracry. Only Howard Dean can do it. Anyone else is a signal that the Democratic Party wants to embrace the satus quo which has chosen to cede vasts swaths of geographic and political territory to the GOP. Only Howard Dean has what it takes to stand up and speak out against the Right Wing Spin Machine which is currently drumming up another fake crisis   and Swift Boating Kofi Annan. We DO need many of those other people in the cause, but I'm convinced only Dean can unleash the powerful force that brought Kerry within striking distance despite being totally discredited by Rove's attacks. It was Dean's blistering assault on Bush that allowed Kerry to play it safe and still make it look good. Otherwise Kerry would have been added to the list of big losers with McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis.

      Remember, it was mostly attacks from scared Democrats that brought down Dean (especially a total freak-out, over reaction by sissy Dems to Rove's head fake, not to mention a front-loaded primary that was the result of the last business-as-usual, party-insider that helt the post to which we are preparing to elect Governor Dean).

      •  Howard Dean Is the Democrats only Savior (none)
        Dean was the only Presidential candidate who initially fired up the Democratic grass roots.  I heard him speak, one on one, to a gathering in Maine, and he fired up the crowd because he was talking about what most Democrats were thinking. He never used any political spin.  He came out boldly against the war in Iraq; he came out boldly about Bush policies that were hurting mainstream Americans in Health Care, etc., etc.

        He was the most honest man seeking political office that I've ever listened to, and the only reason he was brought down was because the Washington, DC Democratic heirarchy didn't like him shaking their ground.

        They couldn't allow an outsider like Dean, who had huge grass roots support, to undermine their own power base in Washington.

        That same element will be working to stop Dean from being elected DNC chairman.

        If they succeed, I'm turning my back on the Democratic Party, and looking for a legitimate third party unrelated to Ralph Nadar.

        I'm thinking of a third party that would support Howard Dean for President.

    •  Joe Trippi endorsed Simon Rosenberg (none)
      What do you all make of that?

      I like Dean but I have a hard time seeing him as the best guy for this particular job or this job as the best for him.

  •  Too Soon (none)
    This is very early and my guess is that those who strongly favor a given candidate were the only ones to respond.

    Can't help the eerie feeling of deja vu all over again: "Dean leads in early surveys, galvanizes party."

    We all know how that ended up.

  •  dean supporter here (none)
    'cause it's disclosure week, dontcha know!

    but i want to ask people who doubt dean to do a couple of things. first, let's not worry about what people who get info from the MSM think about him. the real job of DNC chair, once you're past the cocktail party stuff, is to raise money. dean is good at raising it, as well here all know and have proven. he may not be a favorite with the corporate supporters of the party, but then again he may be! in any realistic appraisal, dean is a moderate who made good decisions for the business class while governor. but the point is, it's time for progressive, responsive leadership in the party, and even if you're not a dean fan, he's a proven performer in those departments.

    i'd also like us not to care about past potential parallels. this isn't like any other race, and the process isn't comparable to any other race. ~500 party professionals, as it were, are going to make this choice. just like we think differently about politics than your average american, so too do the voting 500 think differently about DNC leadership.

    but gosh! i really hope he wins! dean is the future we need in the party to get the progressive and youth base excited again. go dean!

  •  Grrrr. Ben Sargent cartoon (none)
    anti-Dean cartoon

    WTF?  I don't understand why some people feel that way.  But it seems that, as I have been saying for a while, as long as Dean doesn't have any power he's the darling of the Democratic Party.

    (By the way, it might not hurt to rate this cartoon down!)

  •  speaking of vote tallies.... (none)
    Sorry to get off-topic, but does anyone got a link to the vote results for our military votes overseas from November 2?  I haven't been able to find a thing on that info, which strikes me as fishy.  Could it be that our troops weren't quite as pro-bushie this year as we've been led to believe?  If anyone has a link to info please post it because I'm super curious.  Thanks in advance!
  •  The 40% who won't say may be voting for Roemer.. (none)
    Don't be surprised.
  •  For all the folks bashing Dean... (none)
    One of the often-repeated complaints voiced about the Democrats is "they don't stand for anything."  With Dean, I think we will once again stand for those core populist visions that led the party to victory in the past and that will not come by selling out to the GOP-Lite version of the DLC.

    Health care
    Living wages
    Environmental protection
    Education for all

    Simple stuff... hard to forget.

    Please visit my webby, www.stumpysfindings.com. A friend said, "I feel like I've entered a slick modern museum of cool stuff."

    by stumpy on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 03:28:08 PM PST

  •  The first thing (none)
    that occurred to me when viewing the graph of votes was:

    WHY ISN'T THIS BEING USED AS A TRIAL FOR INSTANT RUN-OFF VOTING????

    For those of you that are familiar with it, this would be the perfect forum to promote it.

    And for kosians that are not familiar, please investigate.

  •  I like Frost... (none)
    I think he will make it to the final ballot with Dean... at least that is what the numbers look like to me.  Although, I do think that Webb may place better than expected. And we all know (knock on wood) of Deans propensity to drop from front-runner to barely running.  I think Frost is a good man.  I wonder if he will seek the TX Senate seat in 2006?  If he does, do you think his strong run for DNC Chair will help or hurt him in his conservative state?
    •  Frost (none)
      Even now Frost is probably still the most powerful Democratic politician in the Texas Democratic Party. My bet is that if he wants to run for Senate it is his nomination if he wants it.

      Considering the state of the Texas Democratic Party, Frost might not want to try.

      Update: There are Lies, Damned Liars and FOX News.' Politics Plus Stuff

      by Rick B on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 04:16:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Hopeful sign, but (none)
    as they say, it ain't over until the fat lady sings.

    I want Dean in as head of DNC.  Maybe it's just me, but I also can't help but think that the same interests who didn't want him as the nominee because they saw him as a threat to their status quo, are also not going to take a liking to him as DNC chair . . . and will try and pull something to make sure that he doesn't get anywhere near it.

    I hope I'm wrong.  I really do.  But, I've become so cynical about how politics works in this country that I no longer see the people in power, whether Republican or Democrat, acting in good faith or as people of integrity.

  •  My home... (none)
    I contacted the DNC voters from my home area by a letter, snail mail no less.  One of them sent me an E-mail.  She had not decided, wanted to see everyone in St. Louis this weekend.  But she was leaning toward Dean or Frost.  I E-mailed her back and told her I had seen the Southern meeting on C-span.  Said I still liked Dean, or possibly Rosenberg.  Said I didn't know that much about Frost.  Told her I was very opposed to Roemer and gave her the reasons.  

    Haven't heard anything back from her.  

    I did see Frost on C-span and I can understand why some people are leaning toward him.  I wouldn't be thrilled with him as chair, but I think I could live with it.  One thing he said, he was "very motivated" after being redistricted out of congress.  

  •  Dean for new DNC Head (none)
    Although I think Dean would be the best man for the job, I'm certain that the Washington DC Democratic insiders, who want to maintain their power, will do everything they can to undermine him, just as they did in the 2004 Democratic primaries.

    But they are the old school; and Dean is the new school that will salvage the Democratic Party.  Dean isn't afraid to call Bush and his Republican allies the liars that they are.

    Go Dean!

  •  My read (none)
    This is a very bad poll for Dean and very good for Frost.  Dean is the most well-defined candidate in the race, but only has 58 votes out of 187.  My read is that Dean has little potential to grow because of "frontrunner" status and being the most well known of the candidates.  Also, Dean supporters tend to be louder and prouder than others.  The show of high Dean negatives isn't a good sign as well.

    Frost needed to be defined as the other choice, and this showing which DNC members will talk about will help him gain the votes from the rest of the field.  Fowler is doing decently as well.

    If I were the Dean campaign, I'd be concerned.  If I were frost, I'd be happy.

  •  My Math Calculations (none)
    So Dean has 58 votes out of a total of about 222 needed to get the nomination. That's 26% towards a needed 50%. This leaves Dean needing about 164 more votes or 64% of those DNC voters who have not expressed an opinion to this solicitation. That is a big hill to climb given that Dean only got 31% if those expressing an opinion in this "poll"

    This means Dean is in the driver's chair? Hmmm....Someone show me where my math is wrong but this looks good prima facie but I wouldn't start getting too comfortable if I were a Dean supporter. He still has a lot of hard work in front of him.

    So long, and thanks for all the fish!

    by lobejammer on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 05:10:42 PM PST

  •  Friend who was surveyed for this (none)
    Voted Roemer for first place because he was supposed to be the "anti-Dean" candidate.  After I told her it was between Frost and Dean, she's going for Frost now.

    Voted Webb for second place since he was friends with her Pastor.

    Voted Rosenburg last place because he creeps her out.

    For what its worth.

  •  Truth: This Poll Is Bad News for Dean (none)
    As is hinted toward in the "last choice" category - this poll is bad news for Dean.  Look first at his drop off in the "second choice" list, then look at the undecided.

    Dean is the most known of all the candidates.  The "undecideds" will not decide, suddenly, for the guy they already know.

    By being undecided, they are expressing that they are for something that they do not know...

    david holmes
    DNC, Texas

    •  Hmm... (none)
      I'm not sure I understand what you mean.  "Undecided" doesn't mean that they have decided against Dean - or else his "last choice" numbers would be much higher.  They could just as easily go any way.
  •  Fowler link on main page sidebar (none)
    Has Kos endorsed Fowler?  That's certainly what it looks like.  

    I'm guessing that is a paid ad.  But, it's a little bit sleazy to try to imply an endorsement.  Oh, I know... "What?!! Of course we're just thanking Kos for all his hard work... blah, blah, blah. I'm SHOCKED that you would think the Fowler campaign would try something like that!"  

    ...Maybe if it bore a Large Red Label: "Warning: Paid Ad" it would seem less greasy.  

  •  whomever is chosen (none)
    i agree with Dionne that he must be particularly effective at framing the dems' core principles in terms of "family values."  Wasn't that long ago that family values voter meant Democratic voter.  As a matter of substance, the Democratic party fits the label much more comfortably than a party that's declared war on consumers, workers, and senior citizens.
    Dionne analysis
  •  Frost is very popular (none)
    ...with that treasonous Robert Novak guy.

    He and the other conservatives are certainly still very scared of Howard Dean.

    •  Novak likes Frost (none)
      Along with Novak, elder statesman and former Democratic Kingmeister Robert Strauss want Frost.  And so do Pelosi and that [fearless wonder]...Harry Reid.  We will all fade into the sunset with this group!  HELP!
  •  Dean Dean Dean (none)
    There's a reason why the right-wing loves to bash relatively moderate Dean...he stands up for what he believes in, and Republicans know a plain-speaking, straight-talking Democrat who's not afraid to take on the Republicans as well as the Democratic leadership will be able to revive the Democratic party and win elections.

    That is what they most fear, and that is why they are trying to slander him.

  •  Thanks (none)
    For posting this. I was just preparing a memo for our County Party. As an FYI at the State Committee meeting in Maine recently, a few candidates got 1-2 votes, a few got none and the mention of Howard Dean got a Huge Standing Ovation. nuff said.

    But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them. George W. Bush

    by philinmaine on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 06:15:38 PM PST

  •  The Democrats' Doctor Is In! (none)
    My heart is with Dr. Dean and I can only hope that the DNC voters are less easily influenced than primary voters. If it does come down to a race between Dean and Frost then it really will constitute a struggle for the soul of the Democratic party. The contrast would be stark indeed. Annatopia has mentioned in the past that she became disenchanted with Frost because of his consisten negativity toward Dean -- so apparently for Frost, it's personal. With Reid already in the driver's seat Dean seems to me like a necessary corrective. A solidly conservative Democratic leadership (except for Pelosi -- and I'm starting to wonder about her) would really alienate me from the Democratic party. And that would suck after all the work I've done over the past three years.
  •  What is the make up of the people are (none)
    the DNC voters? In terms of their predispositions and voting pattern?
  •  Iowa and New Hampshire (none)
    Anyone hear the word that Dean would not mess with the Iowa caucuses if elected?

    I find it odd that there seems to be no comment about it on here, given the outrage that was expressed over the primary calendar on here over the last few days.  Reform of the way the primary process works is very basic, and something that a chairman could easily do something about.  But, here we go, the "reform" candidate telling people that he's going with the status quo.

    Potential presidential candidates never want to touch the priveleged status of Iowa or New Hampshire.  Because of this, this will just add fuel to the fire that this is just Dean keeping a high profile with another run, rather than a genuine effort to build the party.

    I support Simon Rosenberg, but I think Dean would make an excellent chairman.  However, his going back on Iowa is an abandonment of the reform principles he's running on.  What next, is he going to guarantee that Bob Shrum stays employed? Hey, firing all those consultants might be too much "change for change's sake."

    Oh, I know why Kos isn't saying anything...it's all that payola. :)

    "I am a veritable peripatetic bifurcated volcano on behalf of Democratic principles." -Henry Fountain Ashurst

    by tedski on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 07:59:09 PM PST

  •  A lot of comments on this post (none)
    talk about the DNC vote as though it's a general election.

    Almost all of the DNC chair candidates are going to be known to the DNC membership.

    So Dean's purported "name recognition" is unlikely to be a real advantage.

    The salient points about this "poll", IMHO:

    1. 335 or so of 447 effectively said "no comment" to the first choice question and even more said that to the other questions. So this is mostly trying to read chicken scratch. Not that it will stop me from trying.

    2. The "reform" candidates (Dean, Fowler and Rosenberg) appear to have a 5:3 lead over the rest of the field for first place votes.

    3. The status quo guys seem to have about as many  last choice votes as the reform guys.

    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right. Sen Carl Schurz

    by Bill Rehm on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 10:02:42 PM PST

  •  Writing more letters (none)
    I know that we've been told not to send the DNC members any more letters, but I'm writing letters to Grant Burgoyne (DNC member from Idaho), Bill Orton (DNC member from Utah), and DNC members from other heavily Republican states.  I figure that the DNC members from these sparsely populated states have received fewer letters than their counterparts in heavily populated states (like California, New York, etc.).

    Remember that Dean's DFA helped elect the Salt Lake City mayor, the governor of Montana, and an openly gay Idaho state legislator.  And DFA has been around for less than a year.  

  •  I wish the Journal (none)
    had tabulated the first and second choices against each other, to show what second choices came after what first choices.  That's not information you can get from two separate lists of first and second choices.  

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site