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Unprecedented times call for unprecedented actions. In this case, we, the undersigned bloggers, have decided to speak as one and collectively author a document of opposition. We oppose the nomination of Alberto Gonzales to the position of Attorney General of the United States, and we urge every United States Senator to vote against him.

As the prime legal architect for the policy of torture adopted by the Bush Administration, Gonzales's advice led directly to the abandonment of longstanding federal laws, the Geneva Conventions, and the United States Constitution itself. Our country, in following Gonzales's legal opinions, has forsaken its commitment to human rights and the rule of law and shamed itself before the world with our conduct at Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib. The United States, a nation founded on respect for law and human rights, should not have as its Attorney General the architect of the law's undoing.

In January 2002, Gonzales advised the President that the United States Constitution does not apply to his actions as Commander in Chief, and thus the President could declare the Geneva Conventions inoperative. Gonzales's endorsement of the August 2002 Bybee/Yoo Memorandum approved a definition of torture so vague and evasive as to declare it nonexistent. Most shockingly, he has embraced the unacceptable view that the President has the power to ignore the Constitution, laws duly enacted by Congress and International treaties duly ratified by the United States. He has called the Geneva Conventions "quaint."

Legal opinions at the highest level have grave consequences. What were the consequences of Gonzales's actions? The policies for which Gonzales provided a cover of legality - views which he expressly reasserted in his Senate confirmation hearings - inexorably led to abuses that have undermined military discipline and the moral authority our nation once carried. His actions led directly to documented violations at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and widespread abusive conduct in locales around the world.

Michael Posner of Human Rights First observed: "After the horrific images from Abu Ghraib became public last year, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld insisted that the world should 'judge us by our actions [and] watch how a democracy deals with the wrongdoing and with scandal and the pain of acknowledging and correcting our own mistakes.'" We agree. It is because of this that we believe the only proper course of action is for the Senate to reject Alberto Gonzales's nomination for Attorney General. As Posner notes, "[t]he world is indeed watching." Will the Senate condone torture? Will the Senate condone the rejection of the rule of law?

With this nomination, we have arrived at a crossroads as a nation. Now is the time for all citizens of conscience to stand up and take responsibility for what the world saw, and, truly, much that we have not seen, at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere. We oppose the confirmation of Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General of the United States, and we urge the Senate to reject him.

Signed, Daily Kos Management (past and present):

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Update II by kos: I've got to run out, so I won't be able to keep updating this list. I think we're making our point.

Update III: Chelsea Green Publishing is giving away free copies of the book "Guantanamo: What the World Should Know" to all blogs who join the call to vote "no" on Gonzales.

Email Margo Baldwin at with your blog name, URL of post urging the "no" vote, and address.

Update IV: by Armando. kos will be a guest on Air America's Majority Report tonight. Show starts now.

Update V: Dimpled Chad Productions is giving away free copies of the music parody CD "American Way" by Dimpled Chad and the Disenfranchised to all blogs who join the call to vote "no" on Gonzales. Email Dimpled Chad at with your blog name, URL of post urging the "no" vote, and address.

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  •  Add me! (3.75)

    Of course he's written in the Lamb's Book of Life. He's the Antagonist.

    by ultrageek on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:43:17 PM PST

    •  could kos, armando, or (none)
      one of the other current or former front pagers please clarify:

      Are you soliciting additional signatures for this petition, or sharing a text that you have submitted or will submit over your names?

      Maybe add an update.

      •  changes? (none)
        yes -- is this a request for signatures?

        also, could any language be added to include how dangerous it is to the american public to have as our chief prosecutor (of all future terrorists) a man who has such poor judicial knowledge and understanding?

        can we really trust him to keep terrorists behind bars if his legal expertise is so lacking & weak?

        i don't raise the issue of civil rights b/c i think the above issue plays better in conservative quarters & the current media climate.

        either way, kudos to all of you guys

        Recession means that people's incomes, at the employer level, are going down, basically, relative to costs, people are getting laid off. Bush

        by krazypuppy on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:09:29 PM PST

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        •  petition by committee of 40K (none)
          is not a wise idea --

          We can all choose on our own language in our letters to Senators.

          •  Vote schedualed (none)
            for tomorrow. Call, don't write. I finally got through to DiFi's office after 7 tries. They are just asking zip codes and taking yey/neys. Very quickly so the phones must be going off the hook.

            CALL NOW

          •  Sometimes liberals are crying for ridicule (none)
            I think these intentions are good.

            And then there's this.  

            Imagine Rush Limbaugh tomorrow on the radio taking a look at this list.


            "My friends, a bunch of BLOGGERS -- you know those crazy folks who are online all day long saying the sky is falling -- a bunch of bloggers have aligned together. That's right my friends, they've ALIGNED together -- to protest the nomination of Alberto Gonzales. Now, you're probably thinking -- just how many bloggers are out there in lunyville. Well, now, let's take a look, shall we.

            I've got here the list from a site called DailyKos. DailyKos, my friends, these are the very people accused of payola to promote Howard Dean, another luny in my book and likely yours -- but that's another matter... So we've got this DailyKos guy taking money in exchange for some "consulting work"... and these guys are against the nomination of Alberto Gonzales to be our next Attorney General.  Ohhhh, I'm quaking in my boots my friends. "DAILY KOS has come out against Alberto Gonzales!" Sound the alarms, call in the Marines... My God President Bush must be burning up the phone lines to Senators, shoring up support. WHY? Because some website called "DAILY KOS" has vowed to gather more of his kind into some band of solidarity to try to prevent the confirmation of Alberto Gonzales... And my friends you wonder why these people lose elections but god bless 'em, give em credit for trying....

            But this is the best part.  DAILY KOS has gotten 100 of the A-LIST Bloggers to join him in this monumental effort to kill the Gonzales confirmation:

            My friends, it says here that "The Big Lowitski" & "Oklahoma Hippie" are against the fine man Alberto Gonzales - hahaha.  Why yes, but that's not all!  We have much to fear, because "4 guys named Pete," "Wiseass" & "The Booze Cabinet" are also voicing their opposition...<more laughing>.  My friends, I for one would rathe stand with The President, our brave troops and our next Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, than with the hippies, wiseasses & booze cabinets, but this is a democracy & I think it is just great when the liberal lunatics remind us that although they are fun to keep as pets, we should not let them run the household <laughs heartily>.  Back in a moment.

            Folks, can we PLEASE start to think about impressions. Isn't it bad enough without INVITING ridicule? At minimum, if you had something to say, sign your real names -- and link to your blogs. But to have a list of mostly dumb-ass names that mean nothing to average Americans -- OR SENATORS for that matter -- it's just very ill-thought-out, in my opinion.

            •  What... (none)
              gave you the impression that anyone at dKos cares what Rush Limbaugh thinks?

              Let's see...if we adopted your thinking, what would we do?  "Mmm...well, I was going to work for clean water, or for jobs, or for election reform, or for John Kerry (or some other Democratic candidate), but you know what, that might open me up to ridicule from Rush Limbaugh, so I better not."

              Or, how 'bout this one:  "Well, I was going to protest the torture of other human beings, but Rush might criticize me because his delusional, drug-addicted brain thinks electrocuting other human beings is just plain fun?  I guess I should just sit home pondering whether Rush will make fun of me if I try to go outside."

              You have been ingesting too much of Rush's Vicodin.

              This campaign is about doing what's right for America.  I can't speak for anyone but myself, but calibrating my conduct according to what Rush Limbaugh might think or say is just about the last thing on my mind.

            •  ROFL (none)
              That was hilarious.

              Jeez if only we stopped to think about what rush would say before we did anything we wouldnt be in this mess ! Brilliant ! Heck why not just make Rush head of the DNC !

              I am a Reform Democrat

              by Pounder on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:18:01 AM PST

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            •  You can't be serious!? (none)
              That's Rush's whole scheme. He screams to cow us into submission. You need to wake up. That is what the blogosphere is about- it's the progressive answer to Rush, Hannity, and talk radio. Do you think Rush pauses before he makes a public statement and says "Oh no, I shouldn't say that- they'll skewer me on the blogs!"?

              "Let us all take more responsibility not only for ourselves and our families but for our communities and our country" - WJC

              by Brian4217 on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:41:00 AM PST

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    •  Add me as well (none)
      I wholeheartedly and absolutely agree.
      •  May I ask? (none)
        Why have you rated "3"s on multiple posters who have endorsed this petition?

        It is generally intended as an insult of some kind when people rate something other than "4".  You have given out quite a few three ratings.

        The only international crime is losing a war

        by Luam on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:57:28 PM PST

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        •  '3' rating = GOOD. (none)
          It is generally intended as an insult of some kind when people rate something other than "4".

          No, '3' means good, that's why it's labeled good!

          Obviously the system cannot work effectively if a few people take it upon themselves to re-interpret the ratings, contradicting the clear meaning in the site community guide (accessed via the FAQ).

          •  Community Standards (none)
            The community norm is to give almost entirely 4s or troll ratings (0 or 1).  I know that is a bit strange since 3 does say good, but very few times will you see a 3 rating as anything other than a mild rebuke of the comment.

            It isn't a part of the FAQ, but it should be.  It is not just a few people but most of the people around.

            The only international crime is losing a war

            by Luam on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 05:57:37 PM PST

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            •  NO, the "community norm" IS... (3.50)
     defined in the temporary community guide, where Marcos has defined the ratings.

              In my opinion, two changes should happen regarding the comment ratings: (1) A few should cease their attempts to contradict the community norms as defined in the temporary community guide in the site FAQ, and (2) the mis-named troll-rating should be re-named appropriate to its definition.

              Naturally there's a great reluctance to use the `1' rating because, despite the fact that its definition (click here near bottom of this comment) clearly indicates it means unproductive or worse, it is mis-labeled troll, thereby requiring a harsh and needless judging of the poster's character and intent.

              `2' is very underutilized because, based on `1' mis-labeled troll, marginal is thought by many to mean almost a troll, when it's clear from its definition in Markos' temporary community guide (to find it click here near bottom of this comment) that the meaning of marginal here is nearly unproductive, NOT almost a troll.

              `3' is underutilized because some have taken it upon themselves to promulgate the idea that good somehow actually means not so good  ;-)  (Carl Nyberg is repeatedly criticized for using `3' to mean exactly what it says - good).

              All this results in such an overuse of `4' that it is well on its way to becoming meaningless -- someone recently suggested that there should be a `5' rating to be defined as `4' is already. (!)

              Though posted very late in a 652-comment thread, the simple solution here received four `4's.

              •  Not really the case in (4.00)
                practice, however. If there weren't alternative evidence of a different community standard, I'd agree with you; when in doubt follow the FAQ.  But a couple of days of posting would offer evidence that what the FAQ says isn't how it is practiced.

                In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

                by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 07:16:21 PM PST

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                •  Maybe so, but... (none)
                  ...I, for one, am not going to accept that the community norms are now to be defined, not by what Markos has endorsed in the FAQ, but by people who promulgate such nonsense as the '3' rating (good) really means not really good, and now we need a '5' rating to be what '4' is defined as because, since they've so discouraged the use of the '3' rating, '4' is now used in its place.
                •  defending troll while ignoring abusers (none)
                  I'm also a little perplexed at the defense you've provided a troll when there are real abuses of ratings by the likes of jiacinto and GoVOTE.

                  Bloggin Blagojevich's Blunders: do you want to see Roddy B challenged in the Dem Primary?

                  by Carl Nyberg on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 10:22:13 PM PST

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                  •  If you're perplexed (none)
                    after all the explanation I've given, then you're probably going to remain perplexed.  And we've taken up far too much of this rather important thread with what is simply a basic disagreement. You disagree with me.  Let's leave it at that.

                    I don't engage in these silly troll wars at all; I did so here because this editorial and the comment threads are particularly important, and it struck me as an especially bad form in this case, given that the comment itself wasn't really troll-like, no matter what the intent was. When I see posts in the hidden comments that I don't believe should be hidden, I rate them up.  Its very simple.  That's how I deal with what you've called "ratings abuses".  I've always dealt with them that way.

                    In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

                    by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 10:49:45 PM PST

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        •  I did not know that, I am relatively new (none)
          I thought a rating of Good was complimentary.
          I did not know all posts I liked were to be rated 4. I was saving 4 for the excellent ones...but there are many that are good but not great. Sorry about that.
    •  Extensive Anti-Gonzales Coverage (none)
      and coverage of the torture scandal at:

      Church Folks for a Better America -- A Time Comes When Silence Is Betrayal -- Iraq news, in-depth analysis, antiwar poems, good sermons, and more

    •  Add WWdN to the list (none)
      Proudly adding my voice to the chorus.

      WIL WHEATON dot NET: torture is not an american value

  •  Delaware Dem (none)
    signs on, as I expect nearly every Kossack.  

    When the revolution comes, Republicans will be a good source of protein.

    by Delaware Dem on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:43:57 PM PST

  •  and me (none)

    Can't find a leader, then be one, get ACTIVE

    by diane101 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:44:14 PM PST

  •  Yo tampoco (none)
    But not LULAC

    "I am a Democrat without prefix, suffix or apology." - Sam Rayburn

    by sandra1113 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:44:18 PM PST

  •  If this is a more general petition (none)
    Add me.

    And if legal names will carry more weight, I will volunteer mine.

  •  Am I the only one (none)
    on this blog that doesn't know everyone personallly?  I feel so left out!
    Kudos on a well-written missive.  With reports that abuse is STILL rampant in Iraq, we must all speak with one voice and repudiate this man and all he stands for.

    anarchy is loosed upon the world...and everywhere the ceremony of innocence is drowned. - Yeats

    by eunichorn on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:45:13 PM PST

  •  And me also. (3.75)
    Definitely the time for petitions, and this may be one of the most important.

    When my grandchildren are older, I want to be able to look them in the eye and tell them I didn't stand by and passively allow my country to validate torture.

    This is a fight we can win.

    Bush, so incompetent, he can't even do the wrong things right.

    by JAPA21 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:45:27 PM PST

  •  Add my name to this list (3.75)

    Vote for Jeff Seemann for Congress - take back Congress! link

    by Jeff Seemann on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:45:33 PM PST

  •  Please add my name to the list of signatures. (none)

    Alterius non sit qui suus esse poteste. - Paracelsus

    by asterlil on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:45:44 PM PST

  •  And me (none)
    debraz signing on.
  •  [raises hand] (none)
    I'm in. Of course, no one cares what I think - hopefully more big names will be forthcoming.

    Is there any way to set up some sort of database of everyone who wants to "sign" this, so we can all post it in our personal blogs?

  •  Good unity - (none)
    Phoned Ken Salazar's office this am - took 20 some rings - but told him how I felt about voting pro-torture.  

    I don't know if it's worth the call to Allard.

    •  Yes, call Allard. (none)
      I did.  At least he has people who answer the phone, and they are unfailingly polite.

      Although you're right, it won't sway his vote.

    •  but..... (none)
      Salazar "introduced" Gonzales to the Senate Judiciary Committee. Would a politician do that, then NOT vote for them? But, I SUPPORT you letting them know how their constituents feel. Calling Dole/Burr, before the vote at 11:30, there are 5 senators that speak the last hour, between 10:30 and 11:30.
  •  Am I a "blogger"? (none)
    I only lurk and post occasionally on someone else's bitchin' blog.  But add me, if it helps.
  •  Good unity - (3.75)
    Phoned Ken Salazar's office this am - took 20 some rings - but told them how I felt about voting pro-torture.  

    I don't know if it's worth the call to Allard?

  •  If you're looking for names (none)
    to sign on to this, I will definitely sign on as well.
  •  If signing is allowed (none)
    Then I am signed.
  •  Please add my name to the list (3.80)
    Here's some of the letter I sent to my Senators (it was from a PFAW e-mail campaign I think):

    This e-mail note is going to both of my Senators.  I am addressing this comment to Senator Coleman, because I know that regardless of whether or not I agree with him every time, Senator Dayton is capable of voting his conscience.  I also want Mr. Dayton to know that Mr. Coleman's always-voting-in-favor-of-BushCo ways are absolutely wrong.

    Senator Coleman, you have to admit that Alberto Gonzales is a tainted candidate for attorney general.  The list of his atrocities and moral and ethical shortcomings is enormous.  There's even news today that he lied to help cover up a DUI charge against George W. Bush.  This sleazy individual has no right to be at the helm of this great nation's justice department.  

    I know that you are entirely beholden to BushCo, Senator Coleman, so you'll find it difficult to vote the proper way on this (or any) issue.  Do the right thing and vote to keep Gonzales out of any position of power.  

    And then came the rest of the standardized note.

    Thanks in advance if my name can appear on the petition above.

    •   Slightly O/T, but I want to marry Senator Dayton! (none)
      he called Condi a liar today, on the floor of the Senate. My heart is all aflutter!(don't tell my husband)

      As long as I count the votes, what are you going to do about it? - William Marcy Tweed

      by sidnora on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 05:27:40 PM PST

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      •  You're right. (none)
        It was hottttttt when Dayton said "LIAR" and "DECEITFUL" together on the Senate floor in reference to these treacherous weasels.  And from the Repulsican reaction to his truth-telling, you'd think he had done something kinky in public.

        Your secret is safe with me, but you might want to keep your hubby off Kos until this post drops.    

  •  This IS what America looks like (3.66)
    Thanks for taking this opportunity to speak your consciences. Thanks as well for helping us express our own reservations about this dubious adminstration. Now, let's see how many other bloggers and opinionists have the guts and decency to do the same.

    I also say NO to Gonazales and the cult of unbridled corporate warmongering that's taken over our democracy.

  •  Bob Johnson (3.66)
    As a blogger and a citizen of the nation that has served as a beacon of both democracy and the rule of law, I oppose the nomination of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General of the United States.
  •  Me, too! (none)

    "It is no longer a choice, my friends, between violence and nonviolence. It is either nonviolence or nonexistence." Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by grannyhelen on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:48:13 PM PST

  •  Add (3.50)
    BooMan23 to the list.

    I really liked that old Leahy quote you put up the other day.

    The Attorney General IS different than the other cabinet members.  He must be independent.

    The AG should be held to a similar standard as special investigators.

    How can he prosecute himself for crimes against decency and treaties?  

    How can we expect him to pursue high ranking corruption?

    The Oval Office: Because there are no corners, there is nowhere to make the President sit when he has shamed the nation.

    by BooMan23 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:48:30 PM PST

    •  Leahy quote was excellent, BooMan23. (none)
      Add me to the list of signers, Armando, if this is a call for general support.

      If our real name are more useful, please et all of us using nom de blogs know with an update.  I'll email mine in to you to preserve the anonymity of my on-line persona!   ;^D

      Excellent letter.

      "It is curious that physical courage should be so common in the world and moral courage so rare" --- Mark Twain

      by murfmom on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:24:50 PM PST

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  •  Need to add... (none)
    Lestatdelc (aka Mitchell Gore)


    Mitch Gore

    Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

    by Lestatdelc on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:48:32 PM PST

  •  I'm signing... (none)
    Ron Vanselow

    "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war."

    by RonV on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:49:04 PM PST

  •  Is it still Kohl, Feingold, and Durbin? (4.00)
    We need to fight our asses off today for a party-line vote on Gonzales. No, we probably can't defeat his nomination. And no, Chaffee (the most liberal Republican member of the judiciary committee) probably won't bolt. But nonetheless, my party MUST maintain the moral highground on this one and place the full blame on the Republicans.

    And let me just give you one reason why. Down here in Guatemala, where I'm living and working these days, folks are buying the newspaper and reading that a guy who told the U.S. government that torture is more or less ok now-- international law and norms aside--is about to be approved by the U.S. Senate as our top law enforcement officer. Guatemalans have a pretty good understanding of torture. And this on top of Iraq and Haiti really makes them wonder about this government and country of ours. And no, they don't condone his opinion even though his name is Gonzales.

    Who are we as a people that our representative body is set to approve a man such as this for so high a post in our government? At the least, I wan the responsibility to be fully on the shoulders of the Republicans. That way future Democratic governments will be free of such a moral burden.

    So, does Kohl expect to recieve any money from the net-roots for his 2006 re-election campaign? NOT IF HE VOTES YES ON GONZALES!

    Does Feingold expect to recieve a groundswell of net-roots support for a presidential run in 2008? NOT IF HE VOTES YES ON GONZALES!

    Does Durbin expect to become a powerful spokesman for our party, fully supported by a responsive net-roots machine? NOT IF HE VOTES YES ON GONZALES!

    Please write and, better yet, call these guys all day, until we compel them to vote the right way.

    Kohl: 202) 224-5653, 414) 297-4451
    Feingold: (202) 224-5323, (414) 276-7282
    Durbin: (202) 224-2152, (312) 353-4952

    Armando, and anyone else with news to share, I look forward to reading updates throughout the day.

    P.S. If you hail from Wisconsin: What the fuck?! This is a big day for you guys. Let's go to work.

    •  Hailing from Wisconsin and (none)
      My husband and I wrote Feingold last week about Rice and Gonzalez.  He obviously didn't listen to us about Rice.  BIG disappointment!

      I'm in on any petition, as is my husband Mojoman.

      When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it? - E. Roosevelt

      by MilwMom on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:06:44 PM PST

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    •  Exactly (none)
      This is essentially what I said in my e-mails yesterday: The whole world is watching.

      I proudly stand up and join in rejecting this bastard.

      Hostage smiles on presidents, freedom scribbled in the subway. It's like night and day. - Joni Mitchell

      by jazzlover on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:16:38 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  ME TOO! (none)
    Add me, dammit, even if I think this circle jerk has as much effect as warm spit on the iceberg heart of the son of Barbara Bush.

    WongoBoy's from here, but his buddy blogs at FarrFeed.

    by WongoBoy on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:49:51 PM PST

  •  Meee Toooo.... (none)
    It is imperative that we place the mark on this background enabler, this guy with a great American story who then turns around and helps Bush institutionalize torture. Proud to add my name to this...and to do whatever the community thinks is wise to follow up. Thanks!

    This is one of the most intellectually gifted presidents we've had...KRove

    by vetfordean on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:50:35 PM PST

  •  juls (none)

    disclaimer: i really am from mars

    by juls on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:50:49 PM PST

  •  No (3.60)
    I oppose torture, therefore I oppose Gonzales.
  •  Where do I sign. let's send this to everyone (none)
    we ever knew... does moveon have anything like this????  This is the time for the Democrats to stand up... FILIBUSTER.

    does anyone think we have a prayer???  

    The lure of the distant and the difficult is deceptive. The great opportunity is where you are! (who?)

    by bluecayuga on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:51:03 PM PST

  •  Torture: Not in my name! (none)
    Please, add my name too!

    "... the Republicans have fucked reality so hard they need a physics professor to straighten them out." -- hamletta

    by manyoso on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:51:13 PM PST

  •  Raybin (n/t) (none)

    "We will fight them, sir, until hell freezes over. And then, sir, we will fight them on the ice."

    by Raybin on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:51:21 PM PST

  •  I don't get it. (none)
    Should we put our real names on instead of HeavyD?

    I mean the idea is to carry some weight, isn't it?

    Anyone, if that's the best we can do, put on lostinbrasil.

    "Fascism, which was not afraid to call itself reactionary... does not hesitate to call itself illiberal and anti-liberal." - Benito Mussolini

    by lostinbrasil on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:51:25 PM PST

  •  Add Seeing the Forest to the list (none)
    Completely agree!

    Dave Johnson
    Seeing the Forest

  •  get me on that list! (none)
    add my name too
  •  Real Name, Too!!! (none)
    Absolutely. All these handles are idiotic when it comes to an actual petition. Sign "Wongoboy" as John H. Farr, and be quick about it.

    WongoBoy's from here, but his buddy blogs at FarrFeed.

    by WongoBoy on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:52:02 PM PST

  •  add meto thelist (none)

    May there be peace on earth and may it begun with me

    by lazbumm on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:52:30 PM PST

  •  Coloradem (3.66)
    Signs on as well.

    I called Senator Salzar and told him to vote no on Gonzales today as well.

    "I have spent many years of my life in opposition and I rather like the role." Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Coloradem on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:54:06 PM PST

    •  Please feel free (none)
      to spam your Colorado friends with this email I received:

      Please let Senator Ken Salazar know that you do not approve of torture in the name of the United States by calling him at 202-224-5852 right now and urging him to vote NO on confirming Alberto Gonzales as our Attorney General.

      Call Wayne Allard at 202-224-5941 as well.

      Alberto Gonzales was the prime legal architect for the policy of prisoner torture in use by the Bush administration. Gonzales' advice led directly to the abandonment of the Geneva Convention, federal law, and our Constitution in Guantanamo and at Abu Ghraib. Even more damning, Gonzales has on record stated his view that the President has the power to ignore our Constitution, laws enacted by Congress, and international treaties duly ratified by the United States.

      These are not the positions of a man whose job will be to uphold the law of the land.

      Ken Salazar may have introduced Alberto Gonzales to the Senate during initial hearings, but to vote for him now--after the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund, among many other organizations, has condemned Gonzales--would be a huge mistake. Colorado does not condone torture. Let Senator Salazar know.

  •  Yea for me. (3.50)
    Please engrave my big ol' John Hancock on the list. A very well written statement!

    And even while men pursue their doom, a magical child is kicking in the womb. - Mike Scott, "Good News"

    by Max Wyvern on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:54:39 PM PST

  •  Torture not (none)
    in my name either. The Senate must reject Alberto Gonzales.
  •  spiderleaf joins the (none)
    distinguished bloggers in voting No.

    Jaded Reality... I've had enough spin for today thanks...

    by spiderleaf on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:55:03 PM PST

  •  We shall all hang together, (3.50)
    lest we each be tortured separately.

    I oppose the confirmation of Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General of the United States, since he is morally unfit to hold said office.

    The only international crime is losing a war

    by Luam on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:55:09 PM PST

  •  Me too (none)
    Add me, please
  •  Sign me in as well! (none)

    here's your cat of the day

    by Rome890 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:55:46 PM PST

  •  Not me! I *heart* Alberto! (none)
    Kidding, of course. Obviously, I'd like my name added if that was the purpose of the post; and if so, and you'd prefer actual names, it's Angela Pandolfo Roy.

    The public wants what the public gets, but I don't get what this society wants -- Paul Weller

    by jamfan on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 12:59:34 PM PST

  •  and me... (none)
    If you are adding signatures, please add mine.

    Thanks, and great letter.


  •  No on Gonzales! (none)
    Definitely opposed!
  •  Add me to the list (none)
    This nation at its best used to stand for what is right against what it wrong.  Now we settle for what we consider justifiable against... well, I'm not sure what.  It is unworthy of us.  

    Illegal. Appalling.  Infuriating.  Immoral.

    "...your grasp has exceded your reach/ And you put all your faith in a figure of speech..." -- Warren Zevon

    by Roddy McCorley on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:01:13 PM PST

  •  add me to the list, if you're taking names (none)
    I signed on to Boxer's petitiony thing with my legal name, but I want my blog-self to stand up and be counted, too.

    "Don't want to be an American idiot..." -- Green Day

    by Black Maned Pensator on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:01:46 PM PST

  •  I'm in (none)

    "Language is the liquid that we're all dissolved in. Great for solving problems after it creates them." --Isaac Brock

    by Beyondo98 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:02:14 PM PST

  •  me too! (none)
    Maria in Pgh (Maria Lupinacci)
  •  signed Joe W Larson (none)
    of Bellevue, WA
  •  Thank you for taking a stand, and asking (none)
    us to stand with you.  I am honored to add my name to the list of individuals opposed to confirming Mr. Gonzales as Attorney General.

    Most Americans are a lot dumber than we give them credit for- George Carlin 2004

    by maggiemae on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:02:55 PM PST

  •  Count me in (none)
    It's good company and a just cause.
  •  Andrew C. White (none)

    "Do what you can, with what you have, where you are." - Theodore Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:04:00 PM PST

  •  yet another, with disclaimer (none)
    I join the opposition to Gonzalez.  As a guest blogger at The Left Coaster, I must make a disclosure to avoid any conflict of interest criticism:

    I have a conscience, and I am disclosing such so people may judge for themselves whether this disqualifies me from having an opinion about the Gonzalez confirmation.

  •  Yesh (none)
    Add me, too.

    Though a million people speak it as one, a lie is still a lie.

    by silas216 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:05:31 PM PST

  •  Please add my name (none)
    Nancy Emmet Horgan
  •  And add me as well (none)
    GulfExpat (V. Vincent Williams)

    "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -- Edmund Burke

    by GulfExpat on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:06:35 PM PST

  •  Count RichM In (none)
    I'm not a blogger, but I play one on the internets...

    I am a good American and I support the Troops. My car bumper says so!

    by RichM on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:06:52 PM PST

  •  TracieLynn (none)
    Sign me up!

    Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act. -Orwell

    by TracieLynn on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:06:57 PM PST

  •  Publish it on all the blogs! (none)
    on all the internets!
  •  I'm in (none)
    I oppose the nomination of Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General of the United States.
  •  well (none)
    I would join in if I just didn't adore torture so gosh-darn much.

    "I told them on Inauguration Day. I said look into my eyes: no new enhancements." - President Johnny Gentle (Famous Crooner)

    by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:09:27 PM PST

  •  I'll prick my finger (none)
    and sign in blood if I have to. I'm in!!
  •  Another me too. (none)
    I've written my senators and dropped Reid and Frist a line,too.

    Moral values have to be stood up for!

  •  Brody V Burks (none)
  •  et moi aussi (none)
    (and me, too)

    "...psychopaths have little difficulty infiltrating the domains of...politics, law enforcement, (and) government." Robert Hare

    by RubDMC on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:10:40 PM PST

  •  No to the Torture Culture... (none)
    No to Gonzalez as Attorney General.

    Prayer is not a substitute for a good plan

    by pacific city on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:11:02 PM PST

  •  Hispanic Politics (none)
    By the way, La Raza, one of the most energetic and liberal advocacy groups fighting for the rights of Hispanics, is calling a press conference to announce its endorsement of Gonzalez.  Given that we have some prominent and effective Hispanics directing this site, any ideas on how we can deal with/counter the racial/national origin angle on this?  It seems to me that now is the time for some very prominent Hispanics, especially Mexican-Americans, to step up and speak out.
  •  Add my name (none)

    What an excellent day for an Exorcism...

    by DianeL on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:12:55 PM PST

  •  add my name (none)
    I'm in.

    What a well-written letter, thank you. Gonzales cannot be our Attorney General.

    Pam Spaulding
    Pam's House Blend

  •  Please add... (none)
    ...the quartet posting as Cyberpols

    That is all.

  •  thank you (none)
    i normally dislike "me too" posts, but i think it's important in this case for americans who oppose torture to stand up and be counted.  you can add my voice to this statement.

    i hope this thread gets thousands of comments of support.

  •  oh, me! (none)
    sign me up, if that's what you want/need.
    Kristen Link (big mystery, given the sig)

    Let me know when the buck stops.

    by krilink on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:15:58 PM PST

  •  i stand with you all (none)
    in opposition to gonzales as attorney general.
  •  proud moment for Dkos (4.00)
    As I understand this, this isn't (or isn't only) an open petition, but a deliberate, collective statement of front-page bloggers, past and present, on Daily Kos -- the first of its kind.

    As a first, its incredibly well chosen. The clarity of opposition here is the sign under which we should start these four years. Like it or not, you all have collectively articulate the conscience of -- and the best political strategy for -- the Democratic party.

    Bravo. No on torture, no on Gonzales.

    "We have found the weapons of mass destruction" -- George Bush, May 30, 2003

    by awol on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:16:25 PM PST

  •  Sign me up. (none)
    Gonzales as Attorney General would be an insult to the Constitution (not that the administration cares about that).

    veritas vos liberabit

    by WWGray on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:16:48 PM PST

  •  Yes (none)
    If I was a Senator, I'd vote against Gonzalez. So, you can add me to the undersigned.

    Although I'm not sure what the value of 500 bloggers opinions are. Will it change the vote of a single Senator?

    Outside the box solutions at low, low prices!

    by Jonathan4Dean on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:17:30 PM PST

  •  Gonzales (none)
    Of course, I support.
  •  I stand by this from Patridiot Watch. (none)
    I'll publish a copy on my site, as well.

    Patridiot Watch
    The best blog ever written by Poppy McCool.

    by poppymccool on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:18:10 PM PST

  •  No on Gonzales (none)
    Valerie White
  •  Add me, please (none)
    The Department of Louise proudly stands by you and will link to this post.
  •  Sign me on! (none)

    George Bush vacations in Texas; he LIVES in Denial.

    by Joon on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:19:21 PM PST

  •  Sandia Blanca says no to Gonzales (none)
    I keep sending e-mails to "my" Senator Cornyn telling him to vote no-- and of course I realize that is a gesture in futility.

    Support the troops-- 'cause Bush sure doesn't.

    by Sandia Blanca on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:19:28 PM PST

  •  I'm in. (none)
    I'll be honored to be included.
    Kyle Childress (aka Cracker)

    The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. Martin Luther King

    by Cracker on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:19:31 PM PST

  •  Count me in. (none)

    A democracy that is fixed, is broken.

    by Brother Artemis on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:19:38 PM PST

  •  ...And filibuster his appointment (none)
    if passage appears likely.  The nation doesn't need a Torturer General.


  •  Yo tambien (none)
    I don't have a blog, but if you're just looking for more names, please add mine, thank you very much. let us know if you need real names.

    There's nothing the matter with Kansas

    by Kansas on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:20:52 PM PST

  •  Addendum to the Undersigned (none)
  •  Me too (none)
    sign me up

    G. O. P. = Social Insecurity

    by Nag on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:21:31 PM PST

  •  Well written (none)
    Count me in
  •  Add me please (none)
  •  I'm in (none)
    of course. I couldn't be prouder to be a part of this community. I salute all of you.
  •  America, Democracy, and the Rule of Law (none)
    I believe in America, Democracy and the Rule of Law. Torture is illegal. Justifying it is immoral. I cannot support Alberto Gonzales for Attorney General.

    Regina Cooper

  •  I'm in (none)
    Not a blogger, just a commenter, but if that qualifies me ...

    Free the heel, free the mind

    by Blue the Wild Dog on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:23:17 PM PST

  •  Please add my name to the list of signatures (none)
  •  Add me too, please. (none)

    I've got a vote, and I'm not afraid to use it.

    by holly302 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:24:25 PM PST

  •  i am wu ming and i approve this denunciation [nt] (none)
  •  indeed (none)
    I'm in.
  •  good call (none)
    NO to torture or any action that explicity or implicitly condones it.

    And the GOP wonders from whence our unity comes.

  •  Vote no (none)
    For the sake of our country.
  •  Too bad the entire Left Blogoshpere... (none)
    ...didn't stand united against the abortion that took place in Ohio and elsewhere in November.

    ...more here

    "Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything" - Joseph Stalin

    by Blue Shark on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:25:54 PM PST

  •  I will sign (none)
    No to a war criminal enforcing the law and protecting our rights.
    Normal family

    "No one else could ever be admitted here, since this gate was made only for you. I am now going to shut it."- Franz Kafka, "Before the Law"

    by normal family on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:26:28 PM PST

  •  Bullet points, people! (none)
    What we Dems really need is a good editor.
  •  Please add to the list (none)
    Michael, blogging at Reading A1.

    And well done:  this is exactly the stand we need to take, and the right way to take it.

    In the conference room of the deaf, the blind man is king.

    by drenglish on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:27:16 PM PST

  •  If you're taking names (none)
    Count me in, please.
    And thank you all, for standing up for this.


    "Revolutionary change does not come as one cataclysmic moment...but as an endless succession of surprises, moving zigzag toward a more decent society."

    by saint on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:27:38 PM PST

  •  please count me in (none)
    i'd proudly add my john hancock to this document.

    a little bit of uh-huh and a whole lotta oh yeah...

    by lipris on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:27:39 PM PST

  •  Add me. (none)
    Great letter you guys.


    "Whatever you do may seem insignificant, but it is most important that you do it." - Ghandi

    by MaineMerlin on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:28:37 PM PST

  •  Blog under construction (none)
    But I wish to 'sign' anyway.
  •  Me too (none)
    Great letter.  Sign me on.
  •  Agreed (none)
    Count me in.
  •  No thanks, Kos (1.55)
    Go ahead - hang your hat on vehement opposition to the first Hispanic Attorney General based on a confidential memo that "condones" torture.  See how far it that gets the Democrats in 2006.  

    Suddenly Gonzales is the "prime legal architect for the policy of torture adopted by the Bush Administration?"  Aside from that one memo, name any other reason to oppose Gonzales.  You can't.  

    •  He lied under oath... (none)
      about the petty matter of gettin Bush out of jury duty so his DUI wouldn't be revealed.
    •  I'm not sure (none)
      why people are super-troll rating you, except maybe in that it kind of breaks the flow of solidarity. I don't see anything trollish about your remark or any of your other comments during your brief time here.

      Anyway, to accept your challenge, what about the way Gonzales and Bush handled requests for clemency from death-row prisoners? Obviously Bush is number one to blame, but doesn't an Attorney General have some ethical standard to prepare more than a cursory brief on the merits of the request, no matter how much it inconveniences his Governor?

      Secondly, "aside from the one memo" isn't a sufficient argument. It's a pretty important memo. I mean, if (hypothetically) Gonzales had committed murder, would you say "aside from the one felony"?

      Hopefully Armando will show up, since I suspect he can answer your question better than I.

      Free the heel, free the mind

      by Blue the Wild Dog on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:43:45 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Allow me to give my reasons. (4.00)
        First, as Blue aptly notes, this is not just "one memo."  Gonzales is Bush's personal attorney, and the memo he drafted, together with the Bybee memo he approved and the policy he formulated, represent an astonishing departure from accepted laws of war.  This departure is unprecendented in the history of the United States.  It is not an understatement to say that these memos, which created policies and produced consequences, have done more damage to the image of the United States than any single collection of writings in our history.  As many have noted, they also lay a foundation for a charge of war crimes under the Nuremburg Standard.  (See, e.g., Scott Horton's recent article in the LA Times.)  Gonzales should not be promoted, he should be in jail.  Promoting him to be Attorney General is morally, legally, politically, diplomatically and prudentially bankrupt.

        This information is all out there in the public record, and it is widely available here at dKos.  So, I troll-rated the CONEHEAD for his willful ignorance.

        But that is not all.  In his memo, Gonzales himself evinces either total incompetence or willful ignorance when he does not even take the existing military code into account.  Republican Senator Lindsay Graham hammered him on this.  How can a responsible lawyer not even address relevant law?  So, for failing to address this law and appreciate the significance of his memo, he should not be the Attorney General of the United States.

        Moreover, there have been recent reports that abuse and torture are ongoing.  There will be future investigations into Gonzales' conduct in this matter.  Since the FBI is leading some of these investigations, it is highly likely that the Justice Department will be involved in them and this presents a massive conflict of interest for Gonzales.

        Finally, and I'll stop here, it was clear from Gonzales' testimony that he believes the President is above the law.  This is at odds with our Constitution and our way of life.  If he cannot/does not understand this, there is no way he should be the top attorney and law enforcement officer in our country.

        •  But see... (4.00)
 much more powerful and effective your explanation is than the "0"?  I much prefer to read your reasons why you disagree and find the bloke a CONEHEAD, than to have you take the easy route and slap a "0" up there.

          I'm far better for it, because you've given me even more information to support my position. Forget about him and his ignorance, you just educated 4 times the people by tolerating the knee jerk reaction.  

          In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

          by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:21:08 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Hi Gilas... (none)
            I am almost always for more speech, more debate and more information to educate folks.  In fact, it is hard for me to think of many cases where I wouldn't support more dialogue.

            In this case, however, I think there is a tension between the solidarity dKos must show the world as a leader on this issue and dissent.  I feel very strongly about this issue, but perhaps this is where a commitment to more speech is best exemplified.  (For the record, I also think a "0" comes in handy if one is particularly pressed for time and a comment is so at odds with reality that it is clear the poster is a Hannity-clone.)  

            In any event, upon further reflection, I see your point (thank you!), and I am upgrading to a "1" which will still register my disapproval for willful ignorance.  


            •  gotta agree re: the willful ignorance (4.00)
              I simply can't believe that anyone who has followed the issue thinks the reason he states (and mischaracterizes) is the only reason folks are opposing Gonzales.

              I also find the Hispanic-baiting pretty offensive, given that Kos's is the first signature and Armando posted the item.

              Finally, I'll note that the offending poster didn't hang around to try to defend his views.

              So - to me - yeah, that seems pretty troll-like.

              •  All You Ever Hear About is "Torture" (1.33)
                Hprof...if the torture memos are not the only reason to oppose Gonzales, why is that the only thing anyone ever talks about?  I haven't read this whole site, but I've read enough here and elsewhere to realize that the case against Gonzales revolves around this single issue.

                I am sorry you feel that I was "Hispanic-baiting."  I really wasn't trying to be offensive, and I apologize if anyone was offended by that remark.  But Democrats are ostensibly the party of diversity, and one would think they would make sure their case is airtight before attempting to block the confirmation of the first Hispanic AG.  It is far from airtight.  

                We are at war with terrorists, who target civilians and wear no uniforms.  These are two reasons the Geneva Conventions do not apply to detainees kept in Iraq or at Guantanamo.  I am not saying that means to "torture" them.  But what is torture?  All Gonzales was doing was giving his legal opinion as to what torture is and isn't.  Obviously, there is some gray area here.  But if we have no legal definition of torture, then there is no way for our president or our military leaders to know what is allowed and what isn't.  

                Whatever torture is, I would expect our country to get as close as possible if necessary in order to get information from detained terrorists.  Or doesn't anyone here remember 9/11?  Or for that matter any of the recent suicide attacks in Iraq?

                Sorry I didn't hang around earlier to defend my views, but I do other things during the day besides stare at the screen and wait for replies to my posts.

            •  This Hannity Clone Doesn't Even Get Fox News (none)
              I don't watch Fox News because my cable company doesn't carry it.  I have heard of Sean Hannity though.

              Is he conservative?  

        •  Thanks for stepping in (none)
          You have expressed it more eloquently than I. However, if being a bonehead was sufficient cause for super-troll rating, my account would have been automatically extinguished long ago.

          Free the heel, free the mind

          by Blue the Wild Dog on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:25:23 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  I probably shouldn't have (none)
            interrupted like that, I'm sure you're perfectly capable of handling it, but those troll ratings really rubbed me the wrong way, especially in the context of this editorial.

            That willful ignorance stuff is tricky, after all, people have the right to their stupidity; but like many rights, they don't necessarily have to exercise it.   I'm never sure what to do about it, though experience has shown me its often best to just let it stand.

            In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

            by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:34:42 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  No worries (none)
              There was a recent thread on the differences between the genders where some pretty bright people showed what I thought were some pretty surprising blind spots. The ensuing discussion was very worthwhile. So I'm not sure about whether to let it stand.

              Now, there is a difference in that that was a fairly new topic, while this one has been covered pretty extensively. And those were posters we know are not trolls, while there isn't enough evidence on this one. OTOH, 'dpcone' is new here and may have not seen all the discussion. Jeez, as a matter of fact, I should have linked to the earlier stuff in my response. That would have been more effective. D'oh!

              My fear is that the original comment is representative in the sense that the public will perceive it as "Hey, just one memo. What's the big deal?".

              Free the heel, free the mind

              by Blue the Wild Dog on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:56:08 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  But, isn't that (none)
                precisely the reason we need a post that states that so we can work on the rebuttals and show why the public DOES need to pay attention?

                Even if it was a troll post, it was a useful opportunity for everyone concerned about the Gonzales nomination and the torture issue.

                Or have I missed your point?  I'm now so confused I don't know who I'm agreeing with and who I'm disagreeing with.  (Happens a lot, sorry)

                In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

                by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:12:56 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

        •  Blame Terrorists - Not U.S. (none)
          Terrorists are solely responsible for any departure from accepted laws of war...or are suicide attacks on civilians part of that framework?  

          What recent reports are you talking about that say abuse and torture is ongoing?  You seem to be throwing a bunch of accusations out there and seeing what will stick.

          •  FBI reports, ACLU, Seymour Hersh (none)
            Reports of recent and continuing torture are widespread in the MSM.  READ.
          •  Really...? (none)
            So if we torture prisoners, or render them to countries to be tortured.. that is the terorists fault?

            Sounds like the same sick "logic" of the guy he blames his battered wife for making him beat her because she pissed him off.

            Say it with me... "torture is morraly wrong, period".


            Mitch Gore

            Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

            by Lestatdelc on Mon Feb 07, 2005 at 11:26:58 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

      •  Memos = Murder? (1.33)
        Thank you...I guess on this site unless you are in lockstep with Kos you are a "troll."

        If what you are saying is true about the way Gonzales handled requests for clemency from death-row prisoners, then you have a point.  I don't know that it necessarily means Gonzales shouldn't be AG though.

        You lost me with the comparison of the memos to an act of murder.    

        •  Memoes = Murder (none)
          Your comment was "Aside from the one memo". The point was that it was a pretty important memo.

          Free the heel, free the mind

          by Blue the Wild Dog on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 03:36:15 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  Certainly, it is a very important memo... (none)
   terms of the subject matter.  But it doesn't prove that Gonzales condones "torture."  He made a reasonable assertion that the Geneva Convention are irrelevant to combatting terrorists, and also gave an opinion as to what torture is and isn't from a legal standpoint.  It is important that we know the exact definition in order to effectively and legally interrogate detainees.  Furthermore, Abu Gharib had nothing to do with interrogation procedures, so anyway I don't see the connection between the memo and Abu Gharib.
            •  Others here (none)
              are more knowledgeable than I am on the legal implications. I am not a lawyer and they are.

              I question your assertion that Abu Ghraib had nothing to do with interrogation procedures. And don't forget Guantanamo.

              You stepped into a discussion here that has been going on ever since the memo surfaced, and perhaps that is why you were not well-received.

              Free the heel, free the mind

              by Blue the Wild Dog on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 05:44:50 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

    •  Yo, Troll (4.00)
      Here's a reason: Gonzales has ZERO experience doing any kind of Law Enforcement work. Even Bobby Kennedy worked for about a year-plus in the Massachusets Attorney General's office.  I believe that Ed Meese was a prosecutor in Alameda County, CA for a stint. Even the Worst Attorney General in the Last 100 Years was an Attorney General in Missouri for a few years.

      Other than this being a "patronage" appointment by Preznit Yellow Stripe as a reward for fealty above and beyond (like keeping the DUI off the record), there's no logical reason that Abu Gonzales deserves  to be or in fact should be Attorney General.

      Go ahead - hang your hat on vehement opposition to the first Hispanic Attorney General...

      I personally don't care if he's the first Attorney General from Uranus, he's a miserable choice to represent American Law Enforcement and our Country.

      name any other reason to oppose Gonzales.  You can't.
      Really? Other than he's pathetically unqualified to do much in a courtroom, except maybe represent The Beloved One and/or Kenny-boy.

      See, and I never even mentioned "... that one memo"

      Jo Fish -fighting the Credit Card Conservatives every day

      by jo fish on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:54:10 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  You Make One Good Point...That's It (1.33)
        See?  You were able to provide me with one good reason - other than "torture" - to oppose Gonzales.  Lack of experience in law enforcement.  Was that so hard?  That would seem to me to be a serious problem for someone who wants to be AG.  Maybe you'll agree with me that he's better suited for the Supreme Court.

        Unfortunately, the rest of your post is pretty lame.  Let me see if I follow your logic...Bush is now repaying Gonzales for getting him out of jury duty years ago by nominating him for AG?  Wow.  

        You also say he's "pathetically unqualified to do much in a courtroom..."  

        Your assignment:  Name me one good reason he is pathetically unqualified to do much in a courtroom.  Remember, you are not allowed to mention "that one memo."

    •  how does this rate a 3 or 4? (none)
      If you don't like it being hidden, give it a two. But there's no way it deserves a three or a four.
      •  A "3" (none)
        means "doesn't deserve to be hidden" and when it was hidden, it was pretty deeply hidden, so it needed a fairly high number to make it reappear.  I also don't see anything marginal about the comment, it doesn't push any envelopes and use any questionable tactics; its just misinformed, so a "2" wouldn't be reasonable in my book.  I save "2s" for people who use sexually explicit expressions of brutality as a form of hip insults, anyway.  That's marginal in my book.

        As I said upthread, I don't advocate praising the post (in my mind it doesn't deserve a "4") but this situation is precisely what the "3"s are for: registering a tangible disagreement with a collective assessment of other dKos members evaluation.  (I wouldn't do it if the thing only had 1 "0", but when I originally posted there were 4.

        In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

        by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:17:52 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I rated this a 4... (none)
          ..not because I agree with the statement (actually.. being a Canadian.. I'm neutral on the statement), but because I felt this troll-rating is an abuse of power here by people who dont wish to see a dissenting statement against an editorial by Kos they overwhelmingly support.

          You become no better then Freepers, IMO, when you do this.

          Our hopes are high. Our faith in the people is great. Our courage is strong. And our dreams for this beautiful country will never die. - Pierre Trudeau

          by tribe34 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:55:40 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  two vs. three (none)
          A two means does not deserve to be hidden.

          A three means "good".

          •  Not in my system (none)
            A two means you are crossing a community standard, be careful.  Its a warning.  A three is something I only use to in counterweighting posts I believe have been inappropriately made to disappear or in some rare cases downrated.  But usually just posts that have been made to disappear.  If a post is rated low, but hasn't disappeared, I generally don't intervene.

            That's the only thing I use threes for and I have always used them that way, since the ratings were instituted.  

            Different people have different systems, and when people ask I'm happy to explain mine.  I not here to advocate for the system I use, but it has worked for me and it has helped me stay consistent, which is what I concern myself with when I'm making decisions about posting/appropriateness/disappearing posts and the like.  It has worked and it helps me keep perspective, so that's how I do it.

            I rarely give 1s or 0s, so for me the "2" has a particular meaning. I tend to use it the way other people use the 0.

            In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

            by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 07:07:51 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

    •  Tokenism Is an Insult to the BetokenedTokenism Is (none)
      How interesting that the only reason you put forward for confirming Gonzales is that he's Hispanic.  

      I agree with you -- his cultural heritage is the only thing he has to offer his nation.  It is the only thing about himself that his choices and actions haven't been able to render null and void.

      But to appoint him for that reason alone is an insult to every Hispanic who acquits himself or herself with professional responsibility and competence, who respects the law and expects others to do so as well, and who believes we should live the values we exhort others in the world to live by.  That, in my experience, would be about 99.99% of all Hispanic Americans.

      Gonzales isn't rare because he's an Hispanic of note.  Gonzales is rare because he's turned out to be an Hispanic who serves only himself, not his nation.  That is quite an affront to his cultural heritage and those who share it, and putting him in a position of power would be as dangerous as it would be shaming for all Americans.

      "Injustice wears ever the same harsh face wherever it shows itself." - Ralph Ellison

      by KateCrashes on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:10:23 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Forget the Hispanic thing... (none)
        If I had more time, I might have elaborated on that comment.  But let me just say again that I wasn't trying to say that Gonzales' race is his only qualification.  It has nothing to do with whether he is qualified or not.  BUT...

        This is politics.  In this day and age where our culture champions diversity at every turn, it is a political advantage to be both qualified and Hispanic (or African American, or whatever.)  So I find it ironic that the Democrats are choosing to lambast, under shaky pretenses, the first Hispanic to be nominated for AG.  It's just interesting.

    •  All memos are not created equal (none)
      This particular proposed to institutionalize a policy of human rights abuses -- and this in the middle of a war for hearts and minds that we must win.

      Methinks that's a tad more serious that "please clean out the coffee maker with vinegar once a week."

      Gonzales' ethnicity is irrelevant.  No one wants affirmative action for torturers (OK, lawyers who legitimate torture).

      The only sound argument in favor of Gonzales might be that the memo meant to analyze a point of law, rather than make normative recommendations.  Ultimately, however, that argument is way too lawyer-like for my taste.  The attorney general is a policymaker, not just a lawyer.

      For these reasons, while I would extend the traditional deference to the nomination of Rice for Secretary of State, I oppose the nomination of Gonzales for Attorney General.

    •  Jeez! (none)
      that one memo pretty much did the trick. The sonofabitch said torture was a okay and that the Geneva Conventions were "quaint". Wonder if the guy with the hood and the electrodes, or the women who've been raped, or the folks bitten by dogs think that torture is "quaint".  
    •  In the hearings... (none)
      Gonzales consistently evaded questions and made it clear that he thinks the President is not subject to any law, constitutional, or otherwise. Do we need any other reason to oppose such a nominee, regardless of any memos authorizing torture?
    •  Crap crap and more crap. (none)
      Bush scraped the bottom of the barrel of Hispanics to find someone vicious, amoral and depraved enough to condone torture. I could name you 5 Hispanic attorneys who would be much better qualified for the position because they are moral men and women as well as being Hispanic.

      The idea that this guy should be confirmed because he's Hispanic is insulting to Hispanics, first and foremost.

      So fuck that noise. Torturer in Chief could be black, white, Hispanic, gay, Asian, Jewish, whatever - the blood that's flowing will all be red. And I don't want it staining my hands. So I'm saying NO.

      Since Alberto Gonzalez condones torture, how is he any better than Saddam Hussein?

      Give me an answer to that, why don't you.

  •  Not a citizen or a blogger per se (none)
    but I oppose Gonzales, so count me in if poss.

    I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth and I am a citizen of the world -- Eugene Debs

    by dove on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:31:28 PM PST

  •  well written (none)
    what part of "torture" is not clear to fence-sitters?

    A Prince, whose Character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the Ruler of a free people.

    by faugh a ballagh on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:31:57 PM PST

  •  You got it! (none)
    Dittoz says ditto big time on this torturing murderer...sign me up!
  •  I'm Not a blogger but (none)
    I play one on the internets. If possible please include me. AKA Lee Hestad.Signed Boxer petition too.

    The more understanding one posesses, the less there is to say and the more there is to do.

    by Alohaleezy on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:35:29 PM PST

  •  Please (none)
    add me to the list!
  •  OT: GIVE 'EM HELL BARBARA! (none)
    On C-SPAN2 now, live.

    WE ARE ALL Sen. Barbara Boxers constituents now!

  •  Here, here! (none)
    No, no, no to Gonzales!

    It doesn't take a "brain genius" to figure it out.

    by nemesmith on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:38:27 PM PST

  •  Count me in (none)
    thank you
  •  Sign me up! (none)
    I know it says bloggers - but since the dKos community is signing with Markos - add me.

    SallyCat = Sally Westgate

    Buying America Blue!

    by SallyCat on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:40:04 PM PST

  •  I'm Adding My Name (none)
    No to Gonzales

    I listen to wingnut radio so you don't have to!

    by Sharon on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:40:54 PM PST

  •  Not an American (none)
    but as a Permanent Resident (and a citizen of the world) I would love to add my voice to this.
  •  Fiat Lux sayes "Aye" (none)
    Agreed. 100%. Blog link added.

    Fiat Lux

  •  Me too (none)
    If this petition is open for signature, add me please.  Thank you
  •  Absolutely on the list n/t (none)

    "Feminism is the radical notion that women are human beings." Chris Kramare & Paula Treichler

    by caliberal on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:47:12 PM PST

  •  I'm in (none)
    Definitely. There is no possible way I could support or tolerate confirmation of the Evil Abu.

    I'm putting the text on my blog.

  •  Not if WE can help it! (none)

    George Bush vacations in Texas; he LIVES in Denial.

    by Joon on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:49:27 PM PST

  •  Me2 (none)
    No to torture. No to sophistry. Add me to the list.

    Jeffrey Davis

  •  An Idaho Dem stands with DailyKos (none)
    Sorry it took me awhile -- had to post this letter on my blog. Here's the link at 43rd State Blues: Democracy for Idaho

    As ol' Benjy F. said, we either hang together, or we shall surely hang separately. And Gonzales knows about hangings.

    The collective answer must be NO.

    Tilting at windmills, with the proper armor and enough firepower, can be a productive effort.

    by Serephin on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 01:50:18 PM PST

  •  Is Schumer definately voting No (none)
    Does any one know this. Also Rhode Islanders should put pressure on Chafee. he needs Dem support to get relected and if he votes for Gonzales he needs to know that Dems will not support him.
  •  Coldblue Steele (none)
  •  No to Torture, No on Gonzales (none)
    I'm proud to be a member of this Community.  Thanks to you all for standing up for what's right for America.
  •  I am in agreeance (none)
    Kos, I sent you an e-mail, but figured I might as well post my link here, too.
  •  Agreed (none)
    Though the random diary here at dKos is about as far as I go usually blogging wise, count me as signed.

    But I won't be frustrated by the fire in your eyes as you're staring at the sun

    by Izixs on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:00:59 PM PST

  •  No to the torture-monger. (none)
    Sign me up.

    Our major obligation is not to mistake slogans for solutions. Edward R. Murrow

    by mentaldebris on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:02:19 PM PST

  •  All of stand with Kos and against torture (none)
    There are 3 of us.  We have all called our senators.  

    The America we wish to live in can find someone better than this.

    clio, lj, tj

  •  i'm in (none)
    y'all know i'm in.  i've been diarying and pounding on this and writing senators since they first put abu gonzo forward.

    sounds like they're going to put the vote before the judiciary committee tomorrow.  anyone know when it would go before the full senate?

    courage, faith and truth my brothers and sisters

    by zeke L on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:05:54 PM PST

  •  Steve Lussier (none)
    I proudly stand with all of you, during this truly ugly and profoundly destructive period in our nations history. Do they have ANY IDEA what it is that they will actually be remembered for?

    Conventional wisdom has been that this is a done deal, but if Gonzales is getting dinged for perjury, then it's time to keep stoking up a prairie fire on this.

    We need a moral prophetic minority of all colors who muster the courage to question the powers that be, the courage to be impatient with evil and patient with people, and the courage to fight for social justice. In many instances we will be stepping out on nothing, hoping to land on something. That's the history of Black folks in the past and present, and of those of us who value history and struggle. Our courage rests on a deep democratic vision of a better world that lures us and a blood-drenched hope that sustains us.

    This hope is not the same as optimism. Optimism adopts the role of the spectator who surveys the evidence in order to infer that things are going to get better. Yet we know that the evidence does not look good. The dominant tendencies of our day are unregulated global capitalism, racial balkanization, social breakdown, and individual depression. Hope enacts the stance of the participant who actively struggles against the evidence in order to change the deadly tides of wealth inequality, group xenophobia, and personal despair. Only a new wave of vision, courage, and hope can keep us sane-and preserve the decency and dignity requisite to revitalize our organizational energy for the work to be done. To live is to wrestle with despair yet never to allow despair to have the last word.

     - Cornell West

  •  Count me in (none)
    I'm just one of 30,000 contributing DailyKos bloggers. But I stand firmly AGAINST Gonzales for AG. I will phone both my senators, Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer, and insist that they vote AGAINST TORTURE and AGAINST GONZALES.
  •  Count me in (none)
    I mean, okay, it's Live Journal, but it's something:


  •  Sign Me Up! Stand Up Against Gonzalez! (none)
    Let's get the Progressive blogsphere network humming.

    Post is at The S.N.A.F.U. Principle.



  •  Blog Solidarity (none)
    I'm on board. Posted on my blog as such.

    Good work Armando.

  •  I am seriously disappointed (3.83)
     to see that 4 people saw fit to zero out a comment that disagrees with this post.  As one of the undersigned, disagreeing with the statement is no reason to troll rate someone.  I don't agreee (obviously) with the assertions made in the now hidden comment, but they should be there for everyone to read. This thread (and the statement itself) can only be strengthened by having someone disagree with it anyway.  

    I don't normally comment on other people's comments, but this one deserves mention.  I hope someone else will join me and Wild Blue and go to the hidden comments and uprate the one disagreement to the statement so as to return it to the discussion.


    In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

    by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:15:32 PM PST

    •  Although I think the poster ... (none) question IS a troll, I agree and have handed out a reluctant "3".
      •  Thanks (none)
        and I agree, the liklihood the poster is a troll is pretty strong (I'm sure this piece will attract others as it disseminates), but troll identity is not the same as troll behavior.  And I do think with this particular statement we need to be as broadly open as the site can manage.

        In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

        by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:55:55 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  I revised my rating (4.00)
          I also think the poster is a troll, but I see your point, and agree.
          •  Thanks (none)
            I'm not advocating praising the guy, just keeping the comment visible.

            The best part about dKos, is that people are open and willing to do that "revising" thing when asked.

            A toast to you (its cocktail hour here at home)


            In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

            by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:17:55 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  You get a cocktail (none)
              and all I've got is an apple and another half hour of work until the next meeting. I'm on the wrong coast. BTW, you're welcome. I've become uncharacteristically emotional about this issue, and my heart was overruling my head.
              •  "uncharacteristically emotional" ... (4.00)
       how I would describe my own reaction to this, plus an inability to write about it cogently. Fortunately, others still have their wits about them.
                •  "uncharacteristically emotional"? (4.00)
                  I don't know about you folks, but the thought of TORTURE being applied to me, scares the day lights out of me, and applied even to anonymous strangers repels me. That I am a citizen of the nation legitimizing (as in legalizing) it weighs culpability and responsibility on me. That degrades me.

                  To suggest that a  man who has offered the first legitimization of torture plus the idea that the US can summarily abrogate our treaty obligations (or any other law for that matter) and the novel proposition that the president is above the law should be America's highest constituional officer because he Hispanic? That could make any moral, sane person, including me, uncharacteristically emotinal.

                  I've called and emailed my Senators Durbin  and Obama (gee, I like writing his name).

                  If this is a sign up sheet I'm entitled to be on,
                  please enter me as "uncharacteristically emotional"  Larry Blandin.

      •  is it "good"? (none)
        If a comment isn't "good" why did you give it a three? Give it a two if you think some injustice has been done.
        •  Nope (none)
          2's are for more egregious violations (I rarely give 1s or 0s).  3s are precisely for outweighing a series of 0's that I believe have been inappropriately assigned to a post that has disappeared.  A two would not have been enough to make the thing visible again.  The numbers are always context specific in that sense, the 3 was there to outweigh 3 zeroes.  Maybe if there had been fewer 0s I might have given it a two, but the post just doesn't strike me as "marginal" (which is the rating I take the most seriously, so I don't want to dilute its meaning).

          This is the consistent system I have been using since Scoop and ratings were introduced.

          In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

          by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:25:18 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  should thread from orig comment (none)
      This comment is more appropriately attached to the original commment.

      I don't get your righteousness. The poster in question is a troll and is not engaging in a serious dialogue.

      If zeroes aren't meant for trolls being obnoxious, when should they be used?

      •  In this case (none)
        I fundamentally disagree that the "troll" was being "obnoxious".  The poster stated a a disagreement with the editorial, based on a tactical argument that I fundamentally disagree with, but there's nothing obnoxious about the way it was stated or posted.  It may not be very smart, or it may be willfully ignorant as some folks have reasonably pointed out, but its not a "troll" post.  Now, I don't presume to read into the mind/intent of the poster to categorically state that the intention of the willfully ignorant post was to flame and cause trouble (that's certainly likely and I won't rule it out, but its not really been demonstrated, and in any case, that kind of intent can be subverted by smart posting on the part of the rest of us).  You may be confident that this poster is a troll, but simply being "a troll" isn't cause to hide a comment, if the comment itself isn't offensive, obscene, or obviously designed to create havoc. Besides, there's something a little bit discomforting about having a 250+ thread where every single post is in agreement.  It helps to have someone disagree.

        Especially on a piece like this which is bound to get lots and lots of attention (so we hope).

        I've always felt that we are far too ready with the "troll" label, but tend to stay out of those subjective disputes.  In this case, however, I think a post like this editorial requires all the strengths of the dKos community and the benefit of every doubt we can muster. We can certainly handle a lone troll post on this thread, (of all threads) even if the conehead -- as maxschall called him-- is a troll).

        There was just no need to hide the post. Its not righteousness on my part (at least not my intention) as much as common sense.  

        In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

        by a gilas girl on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:08:58 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  my reasons for my rating are explained above (none)
      in comments replying to the offensive post. I won't repeat them here, but am happy to discuss.
  •  Sign me please (none)
    Here is the link on my blog
  •  I don't blog... (none)
    ...but I've written my senators (Sarbanes and Mikulski), asking them to vote against Gonzales.

    This is the one nomination that Democrats MUST oppose.

    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased, And the epitaph drear: "A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East." --K

    by RT on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:22:11 PM PST

  •  I agree (none)

    "It's better to realize you're a swan than to live life as a disgruntled duck."

    by Mumon on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:22:22 PM PST

  •  Add me (addendum to my post above) (none)
    Read more by clicking on the graphic for the full statement (with a chunk culled from the statement here by Kos and crew which I sign on with)

    How to make sense of Bush, Gonzales and the GOP.


    Mitch Gore

    Nobody will change America for you, you have to work to make it happen

    by Lestatdelc on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:24:24 PM PST

  •  This Century Sucks - signing on as well (none)
    add another blog to the growing list:  This Century Sucks.  

    I've already sent an email but am commenting here as well.  I'm sure my post about this on my site that is hidden on the outer rim of the web will tilt the scales.  

    Actually every drop in the bucket helps. Gonzales will be a black eye on the already battered American image.

    The ironic thing that if he isn't confirmed I think it will be the Bush DUI story the brings him down (or is that just too pathetic).

  •  <b>No to torture!</b> (none)
    If you are looking for signatures I would be honored to be included. For the good of this country and the rest of the world we must all make our voices heard loud and clear.  This man is the antithesis of what the AG represents.  Hard to believe it could be worse than Ashcroft.
  •  I stand with you (none)
    I stand with you, and with the 39,000 other bloggers at DailyKos.  I oppose the nomination of Alberto Gonzalez for any position in the United States government.

    In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

    by Paul in Berkeley on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:29:49 PM PST

  •  History (none)
    It really astounds me that our representatives have no respect for history.  In the future, these days and their votes will be on record.  What will people think of the Democratic Party when they see only a few "Nays" against  Gonzales, (and Ms. Rice)?  WTF?

    Needless to say, the eyes of the world are watching now too.

    I oppose the nomination of Alberto Gonzales to the position of Attorney General of the United States, and I urge every United States Senator to vote against him.

    Janette Coffin/nedweenie

    Armageddon days are here again! (TheThe)

    by nedweenie on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:30:46 PM PST

  •  Sign me up (none)

    now - watch this drive.

    by jmelli on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:33:13 PM PST

  •  Please add me (none)
    Here's the link to my post on BeatBushBlog.

    Send Dubya back to the ranch! BeatBushBlog

    by Frederick on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:33:23 PM PST

  •  Question? (none)
    How hard is it to say "no" to torture.  Is anyone proud of this new American value?  Or are we willing, damn party lines, to say "no," we shouldn't have gone there....
  •  end the de facto endorsement of torture (none)
    As an unremitting opponent of torture as policy, even to the extent of taking to task depictions of torture as a default plot device for interrogation in TV shows and movies (for it is well known that torture is generally ineffective in eliciting accurate information), I join in this stand against confirmation of one of the architects of torture policy as the chief law enforcement officer of the U.S.

    American Dash ( this clear in the 1/24 post on effects of torture, as this blog has done many times in the past.

    With the current and probably future government of Iraq reportedly engaged in torture of its own, it is crucial that the U.S. Senate ends the de facto endorsement of torture that this confirmation would continue.      

  •  One more for the list... (none)

    Please visit my webby, A friend said, "I feel like I've entered a slick modern museum of cool stuff."

    by stumpy on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:40:48 PM PST

  •  end the de facto endorsement of torture (none)
    As an unremitting opponent of torture as policy, even to the extent of taking to task depictions of torture as a default plot device for interrogation in TV shows and movies (for it is well known that torture is generally ineffective in eliciting accurate information), I join in this stand against confirmation of one of the architects of torture policy as the chief law enforcement officer of the U.S.

    American Dash ( this clear in the 1/24 post on effects of torture, as this blog has done many times in the past.

    With the current and probably future government of Iraq reportedly engaged in torture of its own, it is crucial that the U.S. Senate ends the de facto endorsement of torture that this confirmation would continue.      

  •  Corked Bats on board (none)
  •  Gonzalez must go! (none)
    He does not speak for me - I am an American.

    I believe in the Constitution.

    I believe in the Bill of Rights.

    I believe in Liberty and Justice for all.

    I cannot, and will not, ever condone torture, or the idea that anyone in our government is "above the law".

    Gonzalez must go. He must NOT become AG of the United States.

    John Lane

    Theory is when we know everything and nothing works. Practice is when everything works and nobody knows why. (Einstein)

    by CodeTalker on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:46:59 PM PST

  •  Add me please, (none)
  •  Count me in (none)
    Please add my name to the list opposing Gonzales
  •  Count Me In (none)
    Here's my post on the subject, over at Running from the Thought Police.
  •  I'm in (none)
    I just phoned both of my senators' Seattle offices and got voice mail both times. I hope this means they're so busy fielding calls that they have to pipeline the rest.

    I've figured out how to know what the Republicans are up to. Just listen to what they accuse the Democrats of doing. -- Me

    by Our Man In Redmond on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:48:50 PM PST

  •  Howdy (none)
    Put me down for a "Gonzales Sucks" sandwich.

    by Antioch on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:51:22 PM PST

  •  Count me in (none)
    Thanks to all of you who took the time to craft this great piece of writing.  Y'all have given eloquent voice to the opinions of so many of us here at dkos; especially those of us, like myself, who lurk and post infrequently.

    If y'all are accepting lurker names, sign. me. up.

    Natasha George

  •  Agreed--Isn't it really beyond the (none)
    pale that we're on Amnesty Internationals monster list?  (I'm just assuming we must be on the list.  If not, why not?)

    Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

    by Einsteinia on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 02:57:15 PM PST

  •  all this just reminded me of (none)
    that capital one commercial with david spade.
  •  I agree (none)
    and also oppose Gonzales' nomination because he's an abomination.
  •  Add one more to no on Gonzales. (none)
    Torture should never be an option.
    If those neoconservatives truly believe they are Christian they have but no choice but to vote no.
    If they ask themselves on the issue of torture -
    'What would Jesus do?' the answer should be obvious. No! No! a thousand times No!!!
  •  Count me in. (none)
    I e-mailed Voinovich and DeWine about this a while ago, not like that'll make any difference.  But no torture in my name, please.  -Lufah

    Bush/Cheney - in your guts, you know they're nuts.

    by Lufah on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:12:26 PM PST

  •  Vote NO on torture. (none)
    Sign me on, please.
  •  Add me personally (none)

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~Martin Luther King, Jr

    by SarahLee on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:15:46 PM PST

  •  Signed (none) X [scrawled signature]
  •  The Dirty Northwest (none)
    Here's the post on Gonzales.

    Please add me/us to the list as The Dirty Northwest.


    "what could possibly go wrong?"

    by dennisdeveny on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:17:33 PM PST

  •  You may add me as well... (none)

    -What if Jesus came back and said he was for gun control and against the death penalty? What would the wingnuts do?

    by The Oklahoma Hippy on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:23:26 PM PST

  •  Add me (none)
    Great piece.  I called DiFi's LA office and they registered my opinion and took my zip.  I assume I needn't bother dialing "the Boxer."  :)
  •  Me too, Me too (none)
    I've got a link to Armando's post on my blog - Kentucky Blog

    Because intolerance, bigotry, and divisiveness are not values.

    by lieswatter on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:26:42 PM PST

  •  agreed (none)
    I oppose Gonzales, and applaud all of your efforts!
  •  The Hooligans Are On Board (none)
    Scrutiny Hooligans are on the bus.  No to Gonzales.  No to torture.
  •  Add me if you can (none)
    ...since I'm a Canadian.

    Thank you, Armando for your tireless work on keeping us informed about the Gonzales nomination process. Kudos to all bloggers who've signed up.

    Minor correction: It's Geneva Conventions

  •  Cosmic debris (none)
    would also like to be added to the list. I am absolutely opposed to A. Gonzales becoming the next AG.

    Permit us to question-to doubt, that's all-not to be sure. Richard Feynman

    by cosmic debris on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:40:45 PM PST

  •  Mad Professah is against Gonzales, too (none)
    It will be interesting to see what the media makes of this outburst by the blogosphere against Gonzales....
  •  Please count me in (none)
    I just comment once in a while, so I don't know if this counts
    Peg M
  •  Sorceress Sarah is on board (none)
    See my diary One Simple Question for exactly how I would question Gonzo if I were a Senator.

    Sorceress Sarah

    It is no accident that Liberty and Liberal are the same word.

    by Sorceress Sarah on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:44:48 PM PST

  •  Retired Generals speak out (4.00)
    Letters to the Editor for Tuesday, January 25, 2005

    Stars and Stripes
    (EDITOR'S NOTE: These are the letters that appeared in each edition of Stripes on this publication date. <snip>

    Gonzales not right fit for GIs

    As retired professional military leaders of the U.S. armed forces, we are deeply concerned about the nomination of Alberto R. Gonzales to be attorney general. We feel that his views concerning the role of the Geneva Conventions in U.S. detention and interrogation policy and practice have put soldiers in harm's way.

    During his tenure as White House counsel, Gonzales appears to have played a significant role in shaping U.S. detention and interrogation operations in Afghanistan; Iraq; Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and elsewhere.

    Today, it is clear that these operations have:

        * Fostered greater animosity toward the United States;
        * Undermined our intelligence-gathering efforts; and
        * Added to the risks facing our troops serving around the world.

    Before Gonzales assumes the position of attorney general, it is critical to understand whether he intends to adhere to the positions he adopted as White House counsel or chart a revised course more consistent with fulfilling our nation's complex security interests -- and maintaining a military that operates within the rule of law.

    Among his past actions that concern us most, Gonzales wrote to the president on Jan. 25, 2002, advising him that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to the conflict then under way in Afghanistan. The reasoning Gonzales advanced in this memo was rejected by many military leaders at the time, including Secretary of State Colin Powell, who argued that abandoning the Geneva Conventions would put our soldiers at greater risk and would "reverse over a century of U.S. policy and practice in supporting the Geneva Conventions."

    Perhaps most troubling of all, the White House decision to depart from the Geneva Conventions in Afghanistan went hand in hand with the decision to relax the definition of torture and to alter interrogation doctrine accordingly. These changes in doctrine have led to uncertainty and confusion in the field, contributing to the abuses of detainees at Abu Ghraib [prison in Iraq] and elsewhere, and undermining the mission and morale of our troops.

    The full extent of Gonzales' role in endorsing or implementing the interrogation practices the world has now seen remains unclear. A series of memos prepared at his direction in 2002 recommended official authorization of harsh interrogation methods, including waterboarding, feigned suffocation and sleep deprivation.

    The United States' commitment to the Geneva Conventions -- the laws of war -- flows not only from field experience, but also from the moral principles on which this country was founded, and by which we all continue to be guided.

    We urge senators to take into account the effects of Gonzales' advice on U.S. detention and interrogation policy and practice.

    Marine Brig. Gen. David M. Brahms (retired)
    Carlsbad, Calif.

    The letter also was signed by: Army Brig. Gen. James Cullen (retired), Army Brig. Gen. Evelyn P. Foote (retired), Army Lt. Gen. Robert Gard (retired), Navy Vice Adm. Lee F. Gunn (retired), Navy Rear Adm. Don Guter (retired), Marine Gen. Joseph Hoar (retired), Navy Rear Adm. John D. Hutson (retired), Army Lt. Gen. Claudia Kennedy (retired), Air Force Gen. Merrill McPeak (retired), Army Maj. Gen. Melvyn Montano (retired), Army Gen. John Shalikashvili (retired).

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~Martin Luther King, Jr

    by SarahLee on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:46:39 PM PST

  •  And me. (none)
    There has never been a time when America was offered more challenges. There has never been a time where America needs the respect and trust of the world community more.

    Ask yourselves:

    Is America a nation of laws?
    Is America a leader in the world community?
    Is America bound by its word?

    If the Senate nominates Alberto Gonzales to the post of Attorney General the answer to all of these questions would have to be no.

    Remember as you start to cross this more dangerous of thresholds that it is a very cold time in the world for any nation going it alone.

    As a blogger I add my voice to the community opposing the nomination of Alberto Gonzales.

    It is never to late to do the right thing. Please vote no on Alberto Gonzales.

    Christopher Baker
  •  if individuals, as well as blogs can sign on, (none)
    add me. thanks.
  •  I'll bite (none)
    I agree with those sentiments, and I'm not quite sure if this post qualifies as "blogging about them", but what the hell. I'm not where I can e-mail, but maybe it's worth adding my name to the list.
  •  Count me in (none)
    The Kentucky Democrat:

    Evan Bayh 2008
    Rosenberg for Chair

    by dsolzman on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:52:41 PM PST

  •  "Interesting Times" Says No to Gonzales! (none)
    Here's my post

    Ancient Chinese curse: May you live in Interesting Times

    by Chris Andersen on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:54:49 PM PST

  •  Add me, if possible (none)
    As loudGizmo or my legal name, Lou Grinzo.
  •  So does this mean a filibuster is now called for? (none)
    Because just voting no isn't enough.

    History will record that X number of Democratic Senators voted against him, but that's about all. That and a buck seventy-five will get you a grande coffee at Starbucks.

    Filibuster.  Filibuster.  Filibuster.  

    No quarter.  

    "The government is us, you and me." - TR

    by Chance the gardener on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:55:06 PM PST

  •  Add me too (none)
    Donna McLean better known as dmac
  •  I agree (none)
    Wholeheartedly. Call me crazy, but for A.G., I prefer a guy who respects due process. Who's going to defend the innocent guy whose door was kicked down? Gonzales?

    Blog post is at:

  •  I don't blog and I didn't comment on this matter (none)
    but I support the sentiments of Armando's post.

    Human life should be governed by truth, freedom, justice and love.

    by mimi on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:02:36 PM PST

  •  Please add my blog: (none)
    Jinky the Cat proudly opposes torture!


    here's your cat of the day

    by Rome890 on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:05:33 PM PST

  •  US Moral Authority Hardly Impacted By Gonzales (none)
    Armando, kossacks, friends-

    Your sentiment is easy to agree with.

    Many of us have already contected our representatives, weeks ago even, to express our horror at the nomination of this beast to the post of AG.

    Our only regret is your reference to the moral authority our nation once carried.

    That really is a perception not shared by the rest of the world.  Nor is it one that the left ought to indulge.

    The Iraq invasion itself should surely have dispelled any notion of US "moral authority" that might have lingered in any progressive's mind, to leave aside too many other issues with which you are of course very familiar.

  •  Add myself and humble little blog: (none)
    Curiosity is a Virtue.

    Thanks for all the hard work -- very appropriate!

    Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government. Thomas Jefferson

    by Intellectually Curious on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:08:07 PM PST

  •  Add us as well... (none)


  •  Night Light Is In (none)
    I've signed on behalf of Night Light, and have written in support:

    Every generation or so an issue arises that highlights the moral universe of a society in its time. The issue may involve millions of lives, as slavery and segregation did, or it may involve one individual or a few people as the Dreyfus affair did. Either way, their suffering suffuses the ethical landscape with a harsh brightness that leaves only light and shadow. State-sponsored torture, endorsed and carried out by our government, is one such issue. There is no room for equivocation, no room for caveats, no room to allow partisan political allegiances to stand in the way of the human conscience. There is only room for the "yes" or "no" answer to one question: Which side were you on?

    (more follows)

  •  Vote no on Abu Gonzalez (n/t) (none)
  •  Please add me to the list. n/t (none)
  •  I'm in (none)
    No, no, no, no, no to torture. The world IS watching.
  •  There is no way I would vote for Gonzales . . . (none)
    He's Bush's private lawyer . . . always has been . . . He can never be an attorney representing the United States. His interests lie purely with the fuhrer.

    I VOTE NO!


    by jhewett on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:31:43 PM PST

  •  I say "no" to Gonzales (none)
    Count me in as well.
  •  i wonder (none)
    how long and how many names would be on a similar document against bush.
  •  Do you really (none)
     ..think this is going anywhere?
  •  Chiming in (none)
    I agree.  Confirming Gonzales is telling the entire world we condone torture.  Losing the moral authority on this issue is not only a grave issue in and of itself, it increases the threat to our soldiers in every conflict going forward.  

    It will take us decades to undo the damage wrought at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo as it is - Gonzales' confirmation must not go forward without, at the very least, a strong and resonant opposition.

    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

    by Catriana on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:36:21 PM PST

  •  I'm in! (none)
    Add my name to the list.  

    And while we don't blog, Visit Ad Nausea where we just tell Hannity's advertisers that we are fed up with his lies:

  •  Raising Kaine joins you... (none)
    in lowering the boom on Alberto "Waterboard" Gonzales at the Raising Kaine blog.  Link away!!
  •  Please add my name n/t (none)
  •  I want in too! (none)
    The way our senators vote on this will be a permanent record of whether or not they are in favor of torture.
  •  not in my name (none)
    please add my name to the list, and thank you for doing this. I posted about it here

    it's the turn of the tide.

    Terri MacMillan

    the next Democratic Party: disciplined joy, righteous smarts and clean money...

    by tokyoterri4dfa on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:51:30 PM PST

  •  Add me please (none)
    When you get the chance. Here's my link.

    "The true axis of evil in America is the brilliance of our marketing combined with the stupidity of our people." Bill Maher

    by incertus on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:51:37 PM PST

  • (none)
    Please count Printculture in on this as well.
  •  No post (none)
    to point to, but add me to the supporting chorus.

    Great post.

    ""All things entail rising and falling timing. You must be able to discern this." - Miyamoto Musashi

    by Madman in the marketplace on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:57:45 PM PST

  •  Add me, please (none)
    And thanks for fighting the good fight

    New York - One of the last bastions of the Enlightenment

    by Maren on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 04:58:23 PM PST

  •  Called Bingaman and Domenici (none)
    I called both my senators today, to express my strong NAY on Gonzales. The lady taking the call for Bingaman was very nice and said they'd had lots of calls on the issue.

    The lady answering for Domenici was perfunctory (she didn't sound happy).

    I made sure to tell them that I'm Hispanic (in a heavily Hispanic) state and my objections to Gonzales had nothing to do with his ethnicity. I'm sure Domenici is voting yes (usually votes party line). I don't know about Bingaman.

    This is the first time I've ever called, but I'm with Armando on this. It's abominable that this man might actually become the Attorney General. A man with no regard for justice or basic human rights can't be trusted with our basic civil liberties. Not to mention the damage this does to our reputation around the world.

  •  And me (none)
    Thank you all.

    When the fox preaches The Passion, farmer watch your geese.

    by reform dem on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 05:09:17 PM PST

  •  Add me in!!! (none)
    Can we do this for Rice too?

    After all it was on her watch as National Security Advisor that 9/11 happened, then she either contributed to, or stepped aside while the WMD farce was played out and the nation was dragged into the Iraq quagmire.

  •  Great Post (none)
    Hear!  Hear!
  •  Not only "NO" but "HELL NO" (none)
    My journal is here. And I say NO.

    I have a blogspot account and I need to get it up and running for the more political, less personal stuff.

    I am trying to remember the oath that I took when sworn in as a Texas attorney. Gonzalez had to take the same oath.

    If he is still licensed here, and if he has done something so egregious as condoning torture then I would argue that his license should be yanked.

    Bill Clinton was disbarred, if you recall. And that was over schtupping an intern, not making an official government memo to the Chief Executive of the nation that it's not really torture unless 'organ failure is imminent.'

    Anyone think I've got a notion here?  

  •  My blog is (none)  Sign me up.

    Get rid of anything the Democratic Leadership Council. Visit the weblog:

    by The Truth on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 05:27:48 PM PST

  •  Blogswarm is in (none) has had ads running since Gonzalez was nominated.

    Blogswarm: Do Not Confirm

    In solidarity!

  •  Here is another (none)

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~Martin Luther King, Jr

    by SarahLee on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 05:28:46 PM PST

  •  Ah ha! I found it. (none)
    Goddess bless Google.

    The oath that Texas attorneys take is:

    ""I, (name), do solemnly swear that I will support the constitution of the United States, and of this State; that I will honestly demean myself in the practice of the law, and will discharge my duties to my clients to the best of my ability. So help me God."

    Do you think Alberto Gonzalez has broken that oath?

    That part about supporting the Constitution. Hmmmmmm.

  •  Put me down for "No" on Gonzales, too (none)

    As one of your constituents, I am writing to express my opposition to the confirmation of Alberto Gonzales as U.S. Attorney General.

    Mr. Gonzales has proven himself incapable of strategic and systemic thought critical to the office of Attorney General.  In failing to vigorously support the application of Geneva Conventions and failing to recommend complete abstention from all forms of torture and abuse against detainees, he has exposed our active duty personnel and American civilians to the torture and abuse without recourse.  We can no longer demand of other nations and states or non-governmental entities that which we have not supplied under treaty or simple human decency.

    Further, Mr. Gonzales may have coached the President of the United States to breach his contracted duties by encouraging the President to break with treaties, contracts and agreements including Geneva Conventions.  To be blunt, this is insupportable behavior not worthy of White House staff, let alone a candidate for the office of U.S. Attorney General.

    For these reasons I ask that you strongly consider opposing the confirmation of Alberto Gonzales.

    If my stepson gets called back up to serve again in Iraq, Gonzales had better be worried about hearing from me.

  •  add my name (none)
    "We oppose the nomination of Alberto Gonzales to the position of Attorney General of the United States, and we urge every United States Senator to vote against him."

    I fully support this document of opposition.

  •  My letter to my Senators (none)
    Cross posted on my blog.

    Dear Senators Cantwell and Murray
    I'm writing to urge you to vote no on Gonzales' appointment. The Geneva Conventions are not quaint, they are vital. Americans should fight torture, not condone it, but how can we do that when we promote people who do condone torture? How can we do that when the man who is among the most responsible for turning Americans into an instrument of torture is ready to become the nations top lawyer?


    Carl Ballard

    My blog The Washington State Political Report.

    by Carl Ballard on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 05:43:53 PM PST

  •  No to Gonzales (none)
    Please check out Jerry Politex's new piece at  Jerry's been kicking against the pricks since W ran for guv!
  •  Please add me to the list against Gozales (none)
    My blog is
    Veridical Perception.
  •  Count me in (none)
    I don't have a blog, but I want to stand up and be counted in agreement with and in support of the above-named bloggers. Alberto Gonzales is not fit to be confirmed Attorney General.

    Silence is the voice of complicity.

    by brillig on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 05:50:57 PM PST

  •  OK, I'm in BUT.... (none)
    you all realize this one is going straight to The Onion next week.

    The first thing that flashed in my mind when I saw this posted was the headline from The Onion of 10 November 2004: Political Blogger Mass Suicide To Be Discovered In Several Weeks

    I don't know what they'll do with this, but it strikes me as irresistable material.

    Anyway, Abu Gonzales needs to be stopped, as his confirmation is probably worth at least another 2,000 recruits for the Al-Qaeda farm system.
  •  Add me to the list (none)
    Thanks for doing this.  Maybe the list will shock a few of the more recalcitrant senators into action.

    Here's the link to my comments

    WindyCityLefty Nudging the Midwest to the left one reader at a time.

    by WindyCityLefty on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 05:59:27 PM PST

  •  This is now officially (none)
    an outpouring.


  •  I'm in (none)
    True Blue


  •  Count me in (none)
    It Affects You is on board.

    If you like this comment, please visit It Affects You

    by up2date on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 06:07:53 PM PST

  •  Sign me on Tio Alberto (none)
    From Christian Lynchings to Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, Diego Garcia to Alberto Gonzales: Chief of Justice
    by Juan Cazador O'Higgins at 01:38PM (CST) on January 7, 2005  |  Permanent Link  |  Cosmos
    A Retro or American Gothic Christian connection exhists between confirmed Lynchings throughout the United States and our present outsourcing of this terror through Guantanamo to Abu Ghraib and Diego Garcia.  Now as head of the Justice Department, Alberto Gonzales, sidekick to Vaquero George W. Bush, will be in charge of expanding this historic imperative.

    There were over 3,000 documented lynchings stateside from 1882 to 1930.  Most committed against people of color.  The reasons for such lynchings range from Indolence [indesposed to activity] - to - Insulting White Men - to - Demanding Respect - to -  Unruly Remarks - to Unpopularity - to - Voting for the Wrong Party.  This last rationale is curious, as present tactics, take the Ohio '04 election for example, fall far short of lynching.  Now all we have to do is put a willing black man in charge of the distribution of voting machines and we achieve the same that lynching used to.  Much less messy.

    Last week, Ku Klux Klan leader Ray Kellen was arrested and charged with the murders/lynchings of Michael Schwerner, Andrew Goodman, and James Chaney.  These three young civil rights workers were killed by a mob led by Kellen in June 1964...40 plus years ago.  The killings and now arrest occured in Neshoba County, Mississippi.  The defense atorney for others in the mob also facing arrest, suggested it was an event better off forgotten.  

    Not surprisingly, Ronald Reagan, in one of his runs for the presidency, had the temerity to make his announcement from Neshoba County.  Thus beginning to spread the message to the "powers that be" throughout the deep south, that they would find a welcome home with the Republican party.

    When considering how we've evolved as a free country, one might ask the question, "What evolution"?

    The lease of Guantanamo from the Republic of Cuba, achieved by Teddy Roosevelt in 1903 and then reconfirmed in a treaty in 1934 can be understood by accessing the Center for International Cuba Project paper on the Internet.  The original purpose of the lease and the base was as a coaling station for the US Navy.  It remains a Navy base today but after being used to hold Haitian and Cuban refugees during various intercepted "boat lifts",  our present administration came up with the idea to use Guantanamo as a holding and interrogation venue for Enemy Combatants flown over from Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The author of the Patriot Act, now teaching law at Georgetown University, told me yesterday that Guantanamo was selected because the US Supreme Court had earlier decided that Haitians and Cubans held there in the 80ies and 90ies deserved none of the rights guaranteed persons on US soil.  "It was a convenient place, a no man's land of sorts, where we could do whatever we wanted with whomever we held."  Recently the Supreme Court has changed its mind on this issue and has decided that Enemy Combatants have certain rights to due process.  So our attempt to use Guantanamo to avoid the quaint little legal principle of Habeus Corpus has failed for now.

    Yet, just try to find out what we're doing with the prisoners held there.  No one who knows will talk and the prisoners and their lawyers haven't received the greatest cooperation from the Base Administration.  In the preceeding article, I posted a NY Times piece about the recently released classified Red Cross report on abuses in Guantanamo.

    But one need not go far to imagine what is happening in Guantanamo.  Supposedly its tactics and in fact its former Commander have all been transferred to Abu Ghraib because they were so successful in Guantanamo.

    So now we are outsourcing our interrogation techniques and prisoners to Iraq and other prisons of our friendly coalition members.  If you really want to see the extent of our techniques, pictures do tell the story better than the written word.

    The prisoner here being forced to walk a straight line in ankle shackles and covered in his own excrement is in a curiously Christlike pose.  More visual examples of our work at Abu Ghraib can be found on this internet site.

    As it turns out we have many more places to warehouse these people and more locations are coming to light daily.  Though the Diego Garcia prison in the Indian Ocean was a known holding site as the CIA in their corporate jets move enemy combatants around the world.  It wasn't until the Christmas Tsunami that we learned how important a place it was.  The officials there were given the earliest warnings of coming Tsunamis....hours before we decided to notify other countries in the area.

    So now, on the same day that Rep. Conyers, Rep. Tubbs, and Senator Barbara Boxer joined forces to make our elected representatives in Washington consider, through debate, the irregularities of the '04 election in Ohio.....  Forced them to consider how we have not evolved very far from poll-tax lines and lynchings in the south.....  Forced them to consider the African American's audacity to want to vote for the "wrong party", or demanding their rights and freedoms, and just a little now on this day we embarrass Mr. Bush by stalling his rubber stamp selection, with brave Representatives and one lone Senator standing up for the people.  

    By my observation, most Senators and Representatives could not have cared less, and considered the delay an inconvenience of immense proportions.  How dare we interfer with their deal making or lunches with their lobbying friends.

    Coincidentally, on that same day, the Senate held confirmation hearings on Alberto Gonzales, the author of the famous "It's all right to torture" memo.  He will be easily confirmed.  No matter that he had to pledged to torture no more and no matter the toughness of the questions, G Dubya wants him and G Dubya will have him. Over time we'll wish for the return of Ashcroft.

    The Christian right hasn't even begun to show us what they can do in this century.  With their lynchings in the last two we can only expect more. They've already admitted and now are out to prove that they don't believe in evolution.

    For the whole story with pictures go to

  •  Count me in, too (none)

    "Optimism is not for sissies." (an elderly man at the Progressive Dem Conference)

    by Percheronwoman on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 06:10:07 PM PST

  •  What I wrote to Kay Bailey Hutchison (4.00)
    Her fax machine will be saying OUCH!

    I am writing to you because when my nephew and godchildren grow up, I want to be able to tell them that my conscience demanded that I take a stand against something wrong. That something wrong is the proposed confirmation of an apologist for torture to be the nation's chief counsel and prosecutor.

        The United State of America cannot continue to call itself a nation that respect the rule of law, that honors human dignity, that strives for justice, and a shining beacon of freedom, if we confirm Alberto Gonzalez as Attorney General.

        If we have so little respect for the rule of law as to vote for this man as our head attorney, then we are no better than Saddam Hussein, because we will have shown the same disregard for human dignity, and the same use of vicious brutality, in pursuit of power.  There are things that are absolutely wrong, no matter what we might think of as a justification for it. Torture is one of those things. We put people in prison for doing cruel things to helpless animals. What do you think we should do to someone who excuses it as a perfectly acceptable national policy? Under Gonzalez, every prison, federal state and local, every jail cell, every police station can be another Abu Gharaib. Is that what you're voting for? Is that your idea of "American values"?

        I am writing to you knowing exactly how futile it is for me to spend my time doing this. Your vote in favor of Alberto Gonzalez is a given.  You never even gave it one moment of thought. There is literally nothing Bush could do that you would oppose. That's on your conscience. Not mine.

    Kay can put me on Alberto's list of people to send to Gitmo as soon as Gonzalez declares the Constitution 'outdated and quaint.'

  •  No on Gonzales (none)
    The man is reprehensible.  No, no, no!
  •  here's mine: (none)
    Dear Senators:

    I hope you are giving very serious thought to your decision regarding Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General. I, and many others, found Gonzales's replies during his confirmation hearings disturbing.

    I say "replies" because he cannot be said to have "answered" anything.  It was clear his intention was to simply run the clock.  He also made every effort to never give a direct answer about anything. Nor would he admit, on record, his support for the notion that the president should be able to ignore laws which don't suit him.   These are not the behaviors of a man whose policies and record are above reproach. Such men answer openly and directly, instead of being vague and obstructionist.  

    The only item on which he was unequivocal was staunchly refusing to explicitly denounce the use of torture.  It was his legal opinions that enabled the use of "extreme interrogation techniques" that led to the torture that occured at Abu Ghraib.  He declared the Geneva Conventions "quaint" and "obsolete."  To vote in support of Gonzales is to say to the world "We condone torture."  It translates loosely as "bring it on."  

    For these and many other reasons, I must insist that you block his confirmation. His record is neither honorable nor meritorious. He has demonstrated far too often that he does not respect the rule of law, which makes him a very dangerous choice for Attorney General.

  •  Minister Al-X is in! (none)
    Fo shizzle my nizzle! We gotta keep this scumbag out of the AG post.

    Minister Al-X opposes Gonzolez' nomination!

  •  Just say NO (none)
    This buck needs to stop here.
  •  It's simple (none)
    I cannot vote for someone who votes for Gonzales.

    If the DNC doesn't trust the people, it should dissolve them and elect a new people.

    by Malacandra on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 06:34:36 PM PST

  •  Hey if you're still updating... (none)
    Add my blog "Iconoclast" @

    Visit me at: or

    by Myrrander on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 06:35:31 PM PST

  •  Count me in (none)
    I posted this is my blog: Here.

    I also wrote my Senator... not sure how much that helps since George Allen's staff probably block everything from me at this point, but still. :)

    See me @

    by luna on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 06:37:09 PM PST

  •  This link should do it. (none)
    Corked Bats chimes in for real this time...
  •  Wet Blanket (none)
    Look, I don't think Gonzales should be confirmed, and I want to stick it to Bush for his tacit and borderline active support of torture, and this is all pretty exciting and interesting as viewed from within the cocoon of the left-leaning blogosphere, but where the fuck is this gonna go beyond listings of anti-Gonzales blogs on anti-Gonzales blogs? I mean, isn't this like the Vatican getting a list of all anti-choice churches and then posting that list in St. Peter's Cathedral?

    This is worthless (dangerously worthless since it gives the illusion of progress and activity) unless we insert some actionable part of the petition that the non-blogging grassroots can act on.

    Obviously this is a problem with left-leaning blogs' attempts to cohere and effect change in general. All plan and petition, no action or successful attempt to breach the cocoon.

    So, kos staff past and present, help us help ourselves. Make this mere insular list into something useful and constructive. Make it's potential energy kinetic. Please.

    •  What could we do? (none)
      There have been numerous calls for contacting Senators.  If we march, we're a "focus group."  If we write LTEs, they'll be swallowed in astroturf campaigns.  We must use what little we have; we must think long and hard on whether to even use cloture.  Should we focus our fight against Abu Gonzales for AG or the DC Court of Appeals?  If we use up all our political capital now, it's going to be a very bad 4+ years.
  •  I am delighted at this united stance (none)
    Anyone who has read my posts, particularly during the committee hearing, will have no doubt about my views on Gonzales. Through the Quaker movement and its positive stand in opposition to torture throughout the world, I have been a supporter of activism on this subject for a very long time.

    That said, I have concerns about some of the content of the letter, which I feel distracts from its effectiveness.

    To discuss these now is unlikely to be productive - I have some of the same concerns as to how these might be responded to in the current context that have been expressed by gilas girl up thread.

    All I would ask is that contacts with Senators and their offices keep focussed on the known facts about Gonzales. These are enough in any reasonable person's eyes to condemn him. The letter reproduced above from the Retired Generals is an excellent model.

    To take it wider than this will be counter-productive. The goal is to ask Senators to condemn Gonzales, not the USA as the country that they represent nor the military in the middle of a war. Whatever we may feel on these latter issues, it is a step too far for the immediate purposes of this appeal to Senators and may cause unnecessary anxieties for them that will adversely cloud their judgement on how best to respond.

    This only matters because you can be effective. I believe the number of "Nays" registered today goes far beyond the expectation any of us held after the Condi Rice committee hearings and is directly attributable to the influence of the blogosphere and to DKos.

    So go for it. Make those contacts. Make your feelings known, for your sake, for the sake of the United States and for the sake of your fellow citizens on this sad and ravaged planet.

  •  Add me, too... (none)
    ...I've blogged the petition.

    All this hoopla over Rice is good, as there are serious question about her...but Gonzales is the big fish that needs fried here.

    And I thought Bush couldn't top Ashcroft...

  •  Me too (none)
    A Partially Examined Life

  •  I'm with you and AGAINST Alberto (none)
    We must get our Senators to listen to their base. (Hillary, Chuck -- get with it!) I've written it on my blog and have been sharing info with my favorite listserv, call in our disapproval to our Senators. As of this afternoon, this toll free number was working to the Congressional Switchboard (but Hillary's line didn't get answered and Chuck's line was busy so I called Clinton and Schumer directly: 800-839-5276 or call 202-224-3121. If you can't get through, call your Senators' local offices. Get the name of the person to whom you speak. Every vote against Alberto the better.

    Peace hugs,
    Kate Anne

    P.S. My anti-Alberto blogging can be found at

  •  Please... (none)
    include me in the list. I am not a blogger, but avidly read posts in this site. Condoning torture is unacceptable under any circumstances. Why has there even been a debate about this??
  •  Defining who we are as a country (none)
    The amount of opposition to the Gonzales becoming Attorney General will define who we are as a country. This is for the head of all law enforcement in this country, and Gonzales was Bush's angel of death in Texas. He has since become the architect of torture as an institution in this country. History will ask the question how many Americans stood up against this obscenity.

    I join the bloggers in asking for a no vote on my blog.

  •  Please add me in... (none)
    I sign on to this and I agree wholeheartedly to voting NO on Gonzalez nomination for the reasons stated above. I dont have a blogsite but I blog here ocassionally. The handle is djelrock.
  •  Woodstock (none)
    woodstock happened 35 or 36 years ago and it still sends a powerful message so why doesn't 500,000plus people show up outside the capital,you know just drive or get to the capital someway and get out and start walking to the whitehouse an the capital building don,t organize don't plan just people walking gathering unstopped by the need for permits an permission.all with the goal of stopping Torture boy and "lie threw her teeth" Rice.Of course this won't happen but i can dream of this happening an being all over the news
  •  MoveOn, ACT, UFPJ, ACLU, etc (none)
    get on this and circulate their typical on-line petition.

    And add me to the list.

    No patriotic American should support Gonzales' nomination.

    He and his pro-torture policies must be repudiated and the Dems in Congress MUST be held accountable for how they vote.

    A vote for Abu Gonzales IS a vote for torture.

    As the ACLU report yesterday indicated, the Abu Ghraib prison scandal is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Congress needs to investigate and dig deeper.

    In the meantime, Gonzales should be resoundly rejected as AG.

    "As individual fingers we can easily be broken, but all together, we make a mighty fist" Watanka Tatanka (Sitting Bull)

    by wild salmon on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 07:24:39 PM PST

  •  mee too!!! (none)
  •  No to Gonzales. (none)
     Even the judges of the 'Axis of Evil' member, Iran, have specifically denied the use of torture. Gonzales's actions place American citizens and troops at greater future risk.

    It's been a time, therefore, of illusion and false hopes, and the longer it continues, the more dangerous it becomes.- John Anderson

    by Anderson Republican on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 07:40:45 PM PST

  •  Can we get a graphic/blogad? (none)
    I'd gladly add it to my site.
  •  Add Mr Furious to the list! (none)
    I haven't had a chance to ive this the blogging (flogging?) it deserves lately, but I have a couple posts...

    "Just say NO!" and "Worse Than Ashcroft"

  •  Me too (none)
    Blogged at
    Letters from Limbo.

    It's not much of a blog, but it's at your service, Kos.

    We Democrats are deciduous. We fade, lose heart, become torpid, languish, then the sap rises again, and we are passionate. -- Garrison Keillor

    by Evan on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 08:05:28 PM PST

  •  Everytime I check back (none)
    there are more names on that list.

    Good Job guys!

  •  Lets tie these together now.... (none)
    Just found another:

    Now here is a concept to tie all of these together.

    We need to get everyone to Furl ( and Delicious ( all of these blogs together.  

    Hope they are all tagging them for Technorati

    "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." ~Martin Luther King, Jr

    by SarahLee on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 08:43:40 PM PST

  •  Please add me, too, Kos (none)
    The article's right here.

    "I describe myself as a museum-quality tax-and-spend bleeding-heart knee-jerk liberal." -- Garrison Keillor

    by greenknight on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 08:53:18 PM PST

  •  Forgot to post my "me too"... (none)
    You've got me...


  •  No. (none)
    NO on the perversion of law and treaty at one's convenience.

    NO on the utter disregard of human rights, on the methodical application of physical and psychological trauma.

    NO on dubious ends justifying horrific means.

    NO on turning a blind eye to processes we know are fundamentally wrong, that fly in the face of morality and humanity.

    NO on Alberto Gonzales.

  •  No on Gonzales! (none)
    From your blog to God's ear!
  •  No on Gonzales, period. (none)
    Add me to the list
    Boiler House
  •  MyDD is in (none)
    That is, if anyone is still reading down this far, and unless Jerome, for some reason, likes Gonzales (yeah, right).
  •  Backup Brain has joned the call (none)
    You can find our post here.
  •  I'm In. (none)
    Where are the "moral values" these guys claim to have?  Torture should repel every American, no matter what side of the aisle he or she is on.

    Here's mine.

  •  Complicit or cowards? (none)
    My letter to members of the Colorado Congressional delegation:

    As the world observes the anniversary of the shame of Auschwitz, a former member of Nazi Youth says all Germans were either complicit in the horror, or were cowards.  We are faced with great challenges as a nation, but they do not require our dispensing with rules of conduct which have protected our own troops as they protect those we incarcerate.  Unfortunately, President Bush has put forward a nominee who was clearly, on the record, complicit in that dispensation.  What signal will you send to the Islamic world, what signal will you send to our enemies, what signal will you send to young men and women who wear the American uniform if you vote yes for Gonzales?

    In the name of reason and the rule of law, I encourage you to demonstrate that you are neither complicit nor a coward:  vote "NO" on Gonzales appointment to the post of Attorney General of the United States.

  •  No (none)

      I wrote my post quickly much earlier at the Metreon in San Francisco using their free wireless, but just had a chance to read the comments and post here

  •  no mas (none)

    The New Progressive . . . and nothing but the truth.

    by ddjango on Wed Jan 26, 2005 at 06:07:10 AM PST

  •  my entry is up (none)
    Pam's House Blend


    "As we fight the war on terror, we must always honor and observe the principles that make our society so unique and worthy of protection. We must be committed to preserving civil rights and civil liberties. I look forward if I am confirmed to working with the committee, the Congress and the public to ensure that we are doing all we can to do so. Although we may have differences from time to time, we all love our country and want to protect it while remaining true to our nation's highest ideals. Working together, we can accomplish that goal."
    -- Alberto Gonzales, during his opening remarks to the Judiciary Committee
  •  Well, here's my take... (none)
    It may be too late to add my blog to the list, but here is my take from a FReeper point of view.

    I call it, The Angry Patriot.  Enjoy.

  •  PreemptiveKarma (none)
    Just say no.

    Sign us up.

  •  count me in (none)
    on this day [1/27], when we are adjured to remember, i would like to make the point that remembering involves not merely a recognition of the past, but a consideration of the present.  i said more about it here.

    "Redefining the role of the United States from enablers to keep the peace to enablers to keep the peace from peacekeepers is going to be an assignment." -- g

    by radar on Thu Jan 27, 2005 at 02:21:55 PM PST

  •  hundreds of writers... (none)
    ... including me here and at News From the Front are in agreement and are grateful for your efforts to organize.

    I know we can do a lot more than write about this and contact our Senators.  If each of us invested $20 we could place an $8000 ad in any medium, and inform the public rather than just preach to the converted.  Is the structure of this blog actually interfering with efforts to take the next step and truly organize?

  •  For what it's worth (none)
    Add my name to the list opposed to the coronation of the AG apparent. Here's the link to my post at the Detroit News.

    I'll be posting something similar at Last One Speaks in a moment.

    Good idea. Thanks.

    Libby Spencer

  •  Thank You All for Shouting "No"! (none)
    Please add to the list.
  •  Another me too (none)
    Here's my No On Gonzales post.
  •  Add me (none)
    I think that torture is apalling and this man should not be nominated.
  •  AOL! (none)
    Here's my log on the fire. Money quote:

    Here we have the true test of moral courage in a rare instance where this test comes not in a chaotic moment where one must decide quickly but with months of time to prepare, consider, and contemplate one's decision. To support a promotion for Alberto Gonzales to one of the highest posts in the land is to be rewarding him for his actions. As his actions have been to promote the widespread use of torture, as these actions could only have been as part of a stream of planning and rationalization where the idea of torture was not frowned upon, and as he remains dishonest and shameless about his actions, to support the promotion of Gonzales is to support the use of torture. A line must be drawn here.

    See also my cohort William's earlier analysis of the then-possibility of a Gonzales nomination:

    When Alberto Gonzales comes up for Attorney General, don't filibuster. He's an unprincipled lawyer that may well be significantly responsible for the torture and abuses that have painted the United States so blackly in the eyes of decent people, but a filibuster threat would be too expensive. If he's so bad, try to get moderate Republicans to agree with you. Leash him so tightly to Abu Ghraib he might as well have been taking the pictures himself. Call for Republicans to cross the aisle and vote against a nominee for our nation's top lawyer that plays havoc with fundamental American ideals of justice.
  •  No to Gonzales (none)
    Count me in, too.
  •  wanda (none)
    I thought I had seen the worst possible AG when Ashcroft took office. Now I see that he was a mere prelude to the real nightmare. We have much to fear.  How long before they begin torturing insurgents (read-protesters/bloggers) in this country?  It is only a matter of time if Gonzales is confirmed.
  •  Please add me to your list (none)
    "Just Say No To Alberto" pretty much sums up my feelings.  If ever there was a cabinet member to block, Alberto "Abu" Gonzales is the one.
  •  Another Blog No to Gonzales (none)

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