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Remember when Bush promised to cut only those federal programs that were "ineffective" or "duplicative"?

He should've added "or are demanded by my base" to that list.

Abstinence-only sex education programs have had "little impact" on Texas teenagers' behavior, according to an ongoing study funded by the Texas Department of Health and presented to state officials last week, the Dallas Morning News reports. Buzz Pruitt, professor of health and kinesiology at Texas A&M University, and colleagues examined five abstinence-only sex education programs at more than 24 schools across Texas. For the study, junior high and high school students filled out an anonymous 10-page questionnaire on their sexual behavior. The study found that 23% of ninth-grade girls reported having had sexual intercourse before they received abstinence education, a percentage below the national average. However, the study found that 28% of the same girls reported having had sexual intercourse after receiving abstinence education, a percentage that is "closer to that of their peers across the state," according to the Morning News. In addition, the study found that the percentage of ninth-grade boys reporting having had sexual intercourse remained unchanged before and after abstinence education; however, the percentage of 10th grade boys reporting sexual activity "jumped" from 24% to 39% after participating in abstinence education, according to the Morning News. "We didn't find strong evidence of program effect," Pruitt said, adding, "We didn't find what many would like for us to find."
So here we have a federal program that is clearly ineffective (and we don't need a study to know that teens will have sex whether we like it or not). So according to Bush's criteria, it should be slated for elimination.

You can see the punchline coming a mile away:

If the budget is approved, abstinence education would get $206 million, an increase of $39 million.
Abortions are up during Bush's term. Divorces are up during Bush's term. And, thanks to abstinence-only education, it looks like teen sex is also up during Bush's term.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:27 AM PST.

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  •  I wouldn't be surprised (none)
    to see more of this abstinence talk from the education department also.

    Never underestimate people. They do desire the cut of truth. Natalie Goldberg

    by Carolyn on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:26:49 AM PST

      •  Hmm... (none)
        Kos is guilty of breaking his own rules here.  I guess that shows us that the duplicate diary rule is very hard to follow, as there is so much information on Kos.

        I do really appreciate Kos front-paging this issue.  It would also be pertinent to point out at this time that abortions have increased steadily, as much as 14% A YEAR in some states, since Bush took office.

        Study: Abortions increase under Bush by as much as 14%

        Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom.... Tao de Ching

        by MyName on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 10:34:15 AM PST

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        •  no biggie (none)
          the diary duplication rule is a tough one & i've (inadvertently never purposely) broke it a couple times.

          so i was not being a diary nazi....this is the kind of stuff we need on the front page....the kind that defeats the "morally superior" game that the repub leadership has been touting....

          high divorce rates in bible belts, increased abortions & teen sex under bush are probably the BIG "values" related ammo we could use...

          anyway, i know kos doesn't like me....i DO have a better handle than him!

          j/k...good to see this up front...

    •  Ha (none)
      "It's a budget that focuses on results," Bush said. "The taxpayers of America don't want us spending our money into something that's not achieving results."
      •  no joke (none)
        let's see george's results:

        1.  quagmire in iraq that's draining our economy, increasing hatred of americans abroad, fueling terrorists recruits, weakening our defenses by depleting us of the national guard who would've been our 1st line of defense in the case of a terrorist attack or national emergency in the states.   &, oh yeah, it's of course killing our soldiers

        2.  fiscal irresponsibility that has increased power & money into a smaller upper class while hemmorraging the working class & poor & the unborn (i thought he wanted to protect them.  bush is aborting the lives of the unborn today.  hey, that's catchy!)

        3.  he has muddled the debate on how to repair social security with a silly, incorrect belief that it's beyond fix & needs to be scrapped (essentially).  this will discourage any serious attempt to tweak a great system.

        4.  9/11, when he several opportunities to stop it

        5.  a completely divided nation due strongly (but not entirely) to his divisive politics.

        6.  an acceleration of global warming & environmental damage which will again shortened & damage the lives of those living & unborn (again, he's aborting them).

        7.  a world that flat out hates us & will simply not listen to us -- which is a shame b/c there's alot of good people here w/ good ideas....

        but hey, that don't matter because we've got a whole bunch of pregnant kids who won't even consider planning their families b/c george bush helped them find tha lawrd!
    •  The Defense Department, too! (none)
      I was really hoping that he was going to knock-me-over-with-a-feather and increase funding for WAR-abstinence education. The beat goes on, I guess...

      Also - as a bit of housekeeping for fellow Kossacks: Please remember that we are for a reduction in "unwanted pregnancies". Not a reduction in abortions. We don't want to imply that abortions are bad. I've walked into that a few times myself.

      Just sharing...

      "what could possibly go wrong?"

      by dennisdeveny on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 10:18:32 AM PST

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  •  Ha! (4.00)
    But... but... it works in THEORY!!! How can it not work in practice? It's like SUPPLY SIDE ECONOMICS...! AAAA!

    (puts on reality filter glasses)

    Ah. Much better. Why, teens won't be having sex at all if their health teachers tell them not to... Tax cuts are goooood in times of war... Social security is in criiiisis...

  •  This really shouldn't be a surprise (none)
    since in everything Bush says, one gleans the truth by believing the exact opposite.  

    Oranges and lemons, say the bells of St. Clemens...

    by Billy Shears on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:28:00 AM PST

  •  This actually makes a certain amount of sense... (4.00)
    ...mainly because since the election, I haven't really felt like having sex.

    Mostly, I just eat a lot of bacon now.  Don't see a lot of reason not to...


    "...your grasp has exceded your reach/ And you put all your faith in a figure of speech..." -- Warren Zevon

    by Roddy McCorley on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:28:11 AM PST

  •  It's all part of the plan.. (none)
    put some pups in them ovens young so they can't afford no ejamakashun...then get them churches to help em out so their hooked on that ol' time religion.  

    This creates a legion of zombie-like evangelicals who will be happily led off a cliff by the Bush Cabal.  It is the way despots have ruled since time immemorial. (see Pharoah, Emperor, etc.)

    Let the word go forth From this time and place To friend and foe alike That the torch has been passed To a new generation of Americans.

    by TheGryphon on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:28:18 AM PST

  •  Head exploding (none)
    These stories come thick and fast, every day.  The overwhelming hypocrisy of the GOP and the willful ignorance of its followers make me absolutely crazy.  Someone tell me there is hope that the other half of this freaking country will wake up someday.
    •  I know (none)
      I don't know how I haven't ceased to be surprised by this stuff.

      To his virtues be very kind, to his vices, very blind.

      by Descrates on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:29:36 AM PST

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    •  things that won't stay down (none)
      Abortions are up during Bush's term. Divorces are up during Bush's term. And, thanks to abstinence-only education, it looks like teen sex is also up during Bush's term.

      and up comes my breakfast as well.

      butt-naked simian hypocricy plus blinkered and duplicitous MSM equals gastric distress, very much in spite of the lovely bacon chat up above.

      it makes me stark raving batshit kooky nutters too, and i'm also hoping that people just snap the hell out of it.  i could just scream (cue howard, stage left).

    •  I have lost all hope (whoa seriously depressing) (none)
      and have begun contemplating moving to another country.  Which really shows how hopeless I have become, because I have lived in Europe and was very happy to move "home", back to the US.  And yet now that I am in the US, I feel alienated and disrespected on all sides.  As a liberal I get slammed by the republicans and the media.  As an army spouse, I am upset and angered by those on the left who insist that every soldier is responsible for the atrocities in Iraq and elsewhere, and who refuse to even consider that there are some truly good people in the military.  
      Ah, hell.  I usually am pretty positive and can see the good in life but not this time.  The best I can come up with is that after $200+ in vet bills, my daughter's guinea pig no longer has ringworm.  Woo fucking hoo.  

      What is so funny about peace, love, and understanding?

      by jules too on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 11:09:35 AM PST

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      •  Are there really (none)
        people who insist that EVERY soldier is responsible for atrocities in Iraq and elsewhere? How many, I wonder? I can't believe there are more than a few way-out-there radicals. Certainly it isn't mainstream liberal thought (if there is such a thing.)

         But my thoughts and prayers are with you. I hope you can find the strength to soldier on--and that goes for the rest of us, too.

        •  No, but close enough to make me crazy (none)
          In a diary about how bush is cutting vet funding there were two comments about how the soldiers in Iraq are getting what they deserve because they voted for bush, and because of the atrocities that have been committed by American soldiers and marines.  I really feel that blaming soldiers -- who because of PTSD, batshitiness from mulitiple combat tours, and just plain sadistic personalities -- for the stuff going down in Iraq and elsewhere is letting bush off the hook for starting all this shit in the first place.  

          Besides, these are my friends and neighbors and peers and have been for 18+ years, not to mention my best friend and partner, and I cannot believe that the majority of military personnel are capable of this kind of behavior, at least not until they are pushed and pushed and destroyed the way bush and rumsfeld and all are destroying them...

          What is so funny about peace, love, and understanding?

          by jules too on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 11:58:00 AM PST

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  •  Unbelievable (none)
    So has any interest in actually realistically addressing problems just been called off for the next four years.


    To his virtues be very kind, to his vices, very blind.

    by Descrates on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:28:41 AM PST

  •  I still don't see how . . . (4.00)
    telling kids not to have sex costs millions of dollars.  

    "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." -Abraham Lincoln

    by Dr Van Nostrand on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:28:55 AM PST

  •  We need a page of hypocrisy (4.00)
    Not sins... but instances where people took a hardline stance against something only to end up promoting it.

    Rush on drugs.
    News Corp. on the smut-peddling entertainment industry.
    Abstinance only kids having unsafe sex.

    I'm a big believer that prohibition is the worst solution to nearly everything. That's how the mob made their money in the 20s, and drinking didn't stop. I transfer that to personal prohibition -- where if you supress something in yourself with a fierceness, it'll come out your "exhaust" tenfold.

    •  I'm with you (4.00)
      Prohibition just fuels the human desire for the forbidden. Note how we're winning the war on drugs.
    •  PLUS (4.00)
      why should our generation believe that younger generations will ever behave any differently than WE did?  :)

      Once we accept hormones as a fact of life, instead of trying to force the impossible, we can start to address real issues....

      •  my goal as the parent of a teenager (none)
        and two preteens is to get them as close to possible to graduation as virgins.  I fully expect that once they go to college or before they will be boinking like rabbits.  Hopefully finicky and safe-sex rabbits, but still boinking like rabbits.

        What is so funny about peace, love, and understanding?

        by jules too on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 11:24:35 AM PST

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        •  My advice (none)
          Abstinence education is not the way to go.  I knew about sex from a very young age and if anything that diminished the mystery and sense of rebellion about it.  And believe me, at that point I was exploring anything even remotely mysterious or rebellious.
          •  What in my comment would make you think (none)
            I am going anywhere near abstinence-only? I talk to my kids about anything and everything.  My oldest has had all kinds of sex ed in school, and more from us. I let them (at an appropriate age -- my 8 yo daughter isn't in on these conversations yet)know that I would prefer they wait til at least 18 to become sexually active.  We are not into ultimatims, although I have told my teenage son he better not ever have sex in MY bed...  However, we do set very high expectations for our kids, and this is no different.  We don't forbid stuff, we just let them know what we like and don't like.  

            What is so funny about peace, love, and understanding?

            by jules too on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:40:26 PM PST

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        •  Yep, (none)
          I graduated HS as a virgin and went through my first year of college as a virgin...

          and I didn't really date in HS, just shy and focused on my homework (3.6 GPA which is not bad at all!).

          And the boys in high school weren't exactly cherry pickings, and a lot of them are immature. My opinion IMHO.

    •  Don't forget (none)
      The Catholic Church forbidding sex for their clergy, under any circumstances.
  •  It'd be nice if abstinence-only edu. worked, but (none)
    it doesn't.  We know it doesn't...

    so let's continue funding a program that doesn't work instead of funding a program that would work (abstinence-plus education)!  The modern day "Do as I say, not as I do" Republican party.

  •  Does nobody understand teenagers? (none)
    It is quite simple. If adults tell teenagers not to do something they will do it. Period.
    Maybe we would be better off being ruled by kids. The adults have not even learned the most simple lessons.
  •  Idiots (4.00)
    There was a bozo from the Heritage Foundation on NPR this morning that I heard a few minutes of before yelling at the radio and reflexively flipping over to Air America.  He was talking about some program that was being cut and said something like "which is obviously an ineffective program."  No attempt at any justification or reasoning, just:

    • Bush says he's only cutting ineffective programs
    • This program is being cut, therefore:

    • This program is ineffective.  QED

    He couldn't even manage to make it sound like he believed it.


  •  Must. Not. Puke. (none)
    Let me illustrate the effectiveness of abstinence education here in the good ole south.

    My step-daughter, raised in Christian schools, steeped in abstinence now unemployed, uninsured, and PREGNANT at 19.

    She said she didn't know how easy it was to get pregnant.  

    How old would you be if you didn't know how old you were?

    by getmeoutofdixie on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:33:22 AM PST

  •  Letters now (none)
    We need to demand fiscal responsibility from every representative now.  This is absurd while so many valid programs with proven track records are being axed.  

    For any Texans, how about some LTEs to make this a big deal - they're cutting veterans benefits, environmental funds and education for this shit?

  •  Just Curious How Many Kids (none)
    attend this program? Maybe you should just tell them that if they abstain from sex you'll pay them each $500, per year. You'd probably get better results. And then you could cut the education program completely.

    Howe to gauge compliance? Aye, there's the rub. :-)

  •  I wonder how many kids (4.00)
    will go to thier abstinence-only classes right after thier course in Intelligent design? Man, why not just save our money and cancel public education altogether? This seems pretty close to the same thing.

    "She was very young,he thought,...she did not understand that to push an inconvenient person over a cliff solves nothing." -1984

    by aggressiveprogressive on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:37:29 AM PST

    •  yep (none)
      With the way they sneer at intellectualism, this is exactly what they would love to see happen.

      Stupid people are so much easier to appease.  So much simpler to lie to.

      How old would you be if you didn't know how old you were?

      by getmeoutofdixie on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:50:53 AM PST

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  •  Paging Dr. Dean (none)
    I know your appointment is not official yet, but this should be topic number one oon the lips of every progressive on every talk show.

    Kills two birds: first that this budget has any semblance of fairness associated with it and two that abstinence ONLY education is anything but a farce.

    Midwest Center for American Values - Progressive ideas in an easy to swallow pill.

    by ETinKC on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:37:31 AM PST

  •  Hot off the wires (4.00)
    From one of my fundraising e-newsletters, here's the list of Department of Education programs set for elimination:

    Alcohol Abuse Reduction: $32.7
    Arts in Education: $35.6
    BJ Stupak Olympic Scholarships: $1.0
    Byrd Honors Scholarships: $40.7
    Civic Education: $29.4
    Close Up Fellowships: $1.5
    Community Technology Centers: $5.0
    Comprehensive School Reform: $205.3
    Demonstration Projects for Students with Disabilities: $6.9
    Educational Technology State Grants: $496 Elementary And Secondary School Counseling: $34.7
    Even Start: $225.1
    Excellence in Economic Education: $1.5
    Exchanges with Historic Whaling and Trading Partners: $8.6
    Federal Perkins Loans Cancellations: $66.1 Foreign Language Assistance: $17.9
    Foundations For Learning: $1.0
    Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate Programs: $306.5
    Interest Subsidy Grants: $1.5
    Javits Gifted and Talented Education: $11.0 Leveraging Educational Assistance Partnerships: $65.6
    Literacy Programs for Prisoners: $5.0
    Mental Health Integration in Schools: $5.0 Migrant and Seasonal Farmworkers: $2.3
    National Writing Project: $20.3
    Occupational and Employment Information: $9.3 Parental Information and Resource Centers: $41.9 Projects With Industry: $21.6
    Ready To Teach: $14.3
    Recreational Programs: $2.5
    Regional Educational Laboratories: $66.1
    Safe and Drug-Free Schools and Communities State Grants: $437.4
    School Dropout Prevention: $4.9
    School Leadership: $14.9
    Smaller Learning Communities: $94.5
    Star Schools: $20.8
    State Grants for Incarcerated Youth Offenders: $21.8
    Supported Employment State Grants: $37.4
    Teacher Quality Enhancement: $68.3
    Tech-Prep Demonstration: $4.9
    Tech-Prep Education State Grants: $105.8 Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational Opportunity Program: $3.0
    TRIO Talent Search: $144.9
    TRIO Upward Bound: $312.6
    Underground Railroad Program: $2.2
    Vocational Education National Programs: $11.8 Vocational Education State Grants: $1,194.3 Women's Educational Equity: $3.0

    Now, admittedly, a few of the smaller ones could probably be eliminated and affect almost no one, but take a look at those in the hundreds of millions and billion-plus category.  This is a conscious effort to dismantle upward mobility for the working poor.

    After all the light that has been shed, I still have midnight in my head--RealWest

    by hillaryk on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:38:26 AM PST

    •  I tried (none)
      to add a hard return between each program, sorry there are multiple programs on some lines, it's a little hard to read.  Of course, it's even harder to swallow.

      After all the light that has been shed, I still have midnight in my head--RealWest

      by hillaryk on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:39:15 AM PST

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      •  Unbelievable (none)
        Just what kind of a nation do they think we're going to have 10 years from now?

        It's hard not to see this as an attempt to deprive millions of people of a decent future so as to better drive them into the Armed Forces.  The only thing that enables me to maintain any doubt that this ghastly policy is what they intend is that I don't think they're capable of the deviously clever and despicable forethought such a plan would require.

        "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

        by JJB on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:46:50 AM PST

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        •  They don't think we'll have a nation in 10 years.. (none)
          They either think they'll be carried up into heaven...or that they will be in charge of a collection of Neo-Fuedal Corporate States...

          Let the word go forth From this time and place To friend and foe alike That the torch has been passed To a new generation of Americans.

          by TheGryphon on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:55:11 AM PST

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          •  Sadly, You Might Be Right (none)
            The further we progress into this administration, and the more things like this happen, I come to the conclusion that they are completely out of their minds.

            "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

            by JJB on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 11:19:51 AM PST

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            •  They are usingthe looney right (none)
              what they really want is Neo-Fuedalism, with the corporations in chare and the 99% of us who aren't multi-millionaries as literal serfs with no rights.

              Let the word go forth From this time and place To friend and foe alike That the torch has been passed To a new generation of Americans.

              by TheGryphon on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 12:07:08 PM PST

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    •  Literacy Programs For Prisoners (none)
      Literacy programs for prisoners have been shown to be a hugely worthwhile investment.  Bush can't seem to spare $5 million for it, though.
    •  numbers (none)
      I assume those are numbers are millions of dollars?
    •  Hahaha (none)
      Dubya is cutting an Alcohol Abuse Reduction program.

      You can't make that up.

      And unfortunately, I think I agree with cutting this:

      Exchanges with Historic Whaling and Trading Partners: $8.6M

  •  Complete Contradiction (none)
    No way Bushie can push abstinence education when every day of the week he tells the American people to go FUCK themselves.
  •  Oxymoron (4.00)
    "Abstinence-only education"?

    Don't Fuck.  You are now educated.  

    That is not education.  That is sticking your head in the sand and knowing that the problem will not go away, but being happy because you don't have to think about it any more.

    "We told them not to fuck, but they did anyways, so they will be punished by AIDS / the clap / parenthood."  And that's what passes for morality these days?

    You'd think we as a nation would learn from the staggering success that "Just Say No" had, since we don't have any problems with drugs anymore, right?

    Sorry, preachin to the choir and all.  

    Strategy: $39 mil dumped into a proven ineffective program.  How much body armor could that money buy?

    Strength without wisdom is a chimera, resolve without competence a travesty. - David Neiwert

    by SleepyG on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:38:48 AM PST

  •  WHAT?!?!?!?! (3.50)
    You mean telling teenage kids not to have sex until they're married doesn't prevent them from having sex before they're married???

    These kids today . . . boy, I tell you, this would never happen if we had prayer in the schools instead of sex eduction.

    "L'enfer, c'est les autres." - Jean Paul Sartre, Huis Clos

    by JJB on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:40:02 AM PST

  •  thats Rich ! (none)
    The repubs take money from Porn producing doners ,proposes huge cuts in middle class america, and ups the money it wants to spend on something we all know well not save lifes or prevent unwanted pregnancys.

    These people are fuc*ing driving me mad !  

  •  Meanwhile... (none)
    ... the government has cut funding for Sesame Street, which is teaching the liberal values of tolerance and respect for others at home and around the globe.

    See my diary on the subject for more info and a link to make contributions.

    "The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State, because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government" - Teddy Roosevelt

    by mrboma on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:43:34 AM PST

    •  Everybody knows (none)
      Bert and Ernie are card-carrying homos, along with SpongeBob. And that darn Buster, promoting that Lez-be-an lifestyle down on the farm.

      I wonder why they never complained about Newton (from Hercules) and Rocket Robin Hood, back when I was a kid? Now there were a bunch of fruits if you ask me (and don't forget Freddie the Flute...if that's not a phallic reference then I don't know what is)!

      •  What about the Smurfs? (none)
        Only one girl amongst the lot of them!

        "The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State, because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government" - Teddy Roosevelt

        by mrboma on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 08:46:28 AM PST

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  •  Frameshop alert! (none)
    So in other words, they are taking hundreds of millions of dollars away from firefighters and police officers who's only job is to keep us safe and giving it to an ineffective sex-ed program?

    I guess we see Bush's priorities.

    It was never about safety, it was about sex.

    Sorry, I have nothing else to add to this conversation.

    by DawnG on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:50:49 AM PST

  •  Makes me mad- (none)
    My feelings on the abstinence-only education.  It makes me VERY angry for the school, or teacher to tell MY child they must get married to have sex.  

    These programs give no assistance that they can take forward in life, they turn sex into an evil thing, and as a parent, I am disgusted that the government should encourage my child to marry the first person to come along, and make a lifelong commitment based upon a short term-goal (have sex).

    I live in Mississippi, and kids get married all the time so they can have sex.  It is against the law technically to "cohabitate", so people end up married and divorced time after time.  

    I want my kids to go to college, and if they have sex, I want them protected.  Not all parents will necessarily have the information they need to give their kids medical, or biological information that is accurate and timely.  

    As teen pregnancies are a high risk category, this kind of non-education places both child and teen mom at risk of death and complications for a very avoidable condition.  

    Districts could become liable for  withholding information that could have potentially saved a teens life.

     I would also be concerned as to whose assets are in jeopardy when your child gets pregnant.  If a teen child gets pregnant who pays child support? Who is financially responsible for that childs medical expenses, and how is custody arranged?  Will many more parents want to raise grandchildren they do not have the resources for?

    Strain on school systems, local resources. Many will be forced to put day care facilities in their schools.  This will be an increased burden on districts.  

    It will be more apparent the funds they get for promoting this kind of education will be a wash when you account for the expenses of having more unintended pregnancies in the community.

    •  Then you have to talk to your "in laws" (none)
      It takes two to tango, don'tchaknow.  When you meet 'em, it's who gets to blame who.  I do NOT want to go there.  I ain't ready to be anybody's grandpa at 42.  I'd rather know my son keeps his weasel wrapped.

      What did we do to deserve George W. Bush?

      by republicans are idiots on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 10:32:15 AM PST

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    •  It's against the law to cohabitate??? (none)
      Um, that sounds rather unconstitutional to me, not to mention backwards as all hell.  No wonder everybody on the West Coast and the Northeast think you are all a bunch of stupid backwards hicks.
      •  Used for custody matters (none)
        and for landlords who want to get rid of people.  Also it is a misdemeanor for having a kid out of wedlock (500.00 fine)  no kidding.  

        The point is that the laws are pretty much drafted to keep people in line, not to keep up to date on reality.  They  keep new people out, and things go on as usual.  It is all about preserving "Southern Heritage".

         I think it harms the dialogue to use that kind of language, which really underestimates the situation. The truth is, they know exactly what they are doing, and to think it is done out of stupidity, or backwardness is naiive.

  •  Is There A Democrat Out There? (none)
    Who will call the President out on this? Who will stand up on the floor of the House or the Senate and ask the President why he's increasing funding for abstinence-only programs when even in his own state of Texas they do not work?

    And, as Rep. Henry Waxman told us, they are misinforming our youth in these "classes."

    Democrats -- Hold a press conference! Talk to reporters! Go on CNN!!!

    Somebody PLEASE stop this fundamentalist faith-based waste-of-money you-can-get-AIDS-from-tears 206-million-dollar LOAD OF BULLSHIT.

    Is there anyone brave enough to do this?

    Because, remember -- you're not just messing with George W. Bush. You're messing with GOD.

    Who's gonna take on GOD?

  •  It´s a SoSec support folks: (none)
    Teach abstinence -> more teens do it -> more children born -> more people to work and pay tax -> more money for Social Security. What are your problems with this program?
  •  Not just that teen sex is up (none)
    but that unsafe teen sex is up.

    Yes, I'm a proud Massachusetts Liberal, and fuck you for saying that's a bad thing.

    by MAJeff on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:59:05 AM PST

    •  I just heard on TV (none)
      That over half of teens surveyed thought their was a cure for AIDS.

      Given that this was a Canadian station, and presumably a Canadian station (I wasn't listening closely) then I expect the results are even worse in the States with their absurd quasi education.

      As a parent of teens I would be absolutely beside myself if my government felt it was enough to simply send my kids out into the world with just "Don't do it."

      It's too bloody dangerous.

      "Freedom without responsibility is license and not liberty." Emerson not tom delay

      by Bionic on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 11:08:34 AM PST

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  •  It's not working? (none)
    You mean despite repeated warnings from the government of the United States of America, these rogue actors continue to defy our dictates?

    You know what that means!

    On a tangentially related note, does abstinence mean I can't form any more naked pyramids?

  •  worth the wait (none)
    A couple years ago, when I was working for a different ad agency (one owned by this aweful greedy whore, long story), I remember an RFP (request for proposal) that came out from the State (Texas) for a $2M ad campaign.  We had a big laugh then that you really didn't have to prove any ROI to the state since "abstinence only" never works.  And we were right. Sadly, though the boss was greedy, she was also lazy and didn't send a proposal. Though I did notice that a local PR firm, Chrisitan Hubble, does work for Worth the Wait. One of their gems:

    Teens often get mixed, confusing messages when contraception is discussed in sex education programs.

    Our 4th estate is actually the 5th column.

    by voltayre on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 10:06:35 AM PST

  •  In Illinois (none)
    During my recent visit to my son's health class during "parent night in the classroom" I was shocked to learn that our kids were learning from an abstinence program.  This is in a north-suburban Chicago went-for-Kerry reality-based school district.  Apparently they get these Navigators books for free from the state if they follow the abstinence program.  

    Birth control is taught in the context of "after you are married" so dear son did get to experience the hilarity of putting a condom on a banana and seeing what happens when you put vaseline on a blown-up condom.  Somehow the notion of protecting yourself from STDs ended up in the after you are married discussion so I guess we're raising a generation of would-be adulterers.

    The way I've discussed sex with my kids is that it has adult consequences, so it's an adult activity.  That their bodies are ready a little too early.  And that I understand how powerful that desire can be so make sure how know how to avoid those consequences if you find you can't wait.  

    For what it's worth, both of my kids tell me they plan to wait for "the one" to have sex.  And, I know you think I'm naive, but I believe that's their intentions right now.  Somehow, I managed to raise a couple of "goody two-shoes" by being honest and giving them the facts to make their own decisions.  

    I think it's okay to tell kids it's best to wait, but imperative to give them the info they need in case they can't.  So much of the sex and drug education I got back in the 70s seemed to create more curiosity and desire to try stuff, than it did to prevent anything.

  •  That couple hundred million dollars (none)
    poured into this "education" program would buy a helluva lot of condoms to hand out.  
  •  Frames : (none)
    "Abstinence Based Education" = "STD Based Education", "Denial Based Education", "Teen Pregnancy Based Education"........

    "Denial Based Ignorance" !

    Meanwhile - "Faith Based" = "Bribery Based"

    Funny - I was just thinking of posting something on the Texas teen abstinence/Denial Based education story this morning but opted for another aspect of "Bribery Based" government.

    We are discreet sheep; we wait to see how the drove is going, and then go with the drove. -Mark Twain [Samuel Langhornne Clemens] (1835-1910)

    by Troutfishing on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 10:20:36 AM PST

  •  Abstinence: The Twilight Zone episode (4.00)
    Picture, if you will...

    Someone came from the far future, to save us in the past, by preventing G.W.B from being born. But in the far future, the only way left that they canthink of is abstinence methods. So, they pushed some pamphlets at Dubya's parents, and 9 months later he was born...

    "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

    by jbeach on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 10:20:41 AM PST

  •  Waxman blew the whistle (3.50)
    His staff on the House Reform Committee prepared a report on abstinence-only programs. Eighty percent of the abstinence-only curricula they studied contained "false, misleading, or distorted" information.

    Evidently, the Right believes junk science is bad in the courtroom but okay in the classroom. And the bedroom.

    In politics, sometimes the jackasses are on your side.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 10:36:03 AM PST

  •  A new abstinence program (none)
    Could we start a fund to ensure that Dubya abstains from stupid programs?  

    Or perhaps a new anti-pollution initiative: Just abstain from breathing.  


  •  Abstinence education is pork (none)
    Abstinence education is a patronage program. Money goes to conservative/religious consulting and education businesses, which in turn support Republicans. Like "faith-based" funding of conservative churches, to the victors go the spoils.

    Democrats should call this wasting of hundreds of millions of our tax dollars by its name-- pork.

  •  What a moronic study (none)
    Didn't they compare abstinence ed to regular sex ed?

    How could they design a study without a COMPARABLE alt treatment?

    Kinesthesiology.... don't get me started.

  •  I honestly think (none)
    that this proves Mr. Bush is either stupid or evil.
  •  How to make a conservative's head explode.... (4.00)

    A friend, who worked as a sexual health nurse, was being pressured by some rather conservative colleagues (you'd expect a more "reality-based" approach from something as front-line as nursing, but hey...). After some comments about good families, and how their kids were well behaved, she looked them in the eye, and said "Hands up, whoever told their mother, the first time they had sex".

    You could've heard a pin drop. And there were no hands in the air. It was a good day.

    "Why, a child of five could figure this out! Someone fetch me a child of five." -Groucho Marx

    by kiwifruit on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 12:03:56 PM PST

  •  Here is a link that should make you sad....... (none)
    No matter what side of the political fence you are on these numbers are sad.

    The actual text and comparisons on how we got to this point are very surprising also.

    •  German Teen Magazines (none)
      I used to travel to Germany on business.  Once I brought home a teen magazine (equivalent to Seventeen or YM) for my daughter.  Since it was in German, she flipped through it rather quickly.  Soon I hear, "Oh, Mother, did you even look at this magazine before you bought it for me?"  I guess I hadn't.  "There's a photo of a boy without any clothes on.  It's gross."  Oh.  "Don't you know those Europeans are much more casual about sex than we are?"  I guess I didn't think about that.

      There were a couple lessons in this story.  First was that this was just a photo of a regular boy with a regular body.  I think that helps Europeans with their comfort in their own bodies.  I'll bet there's less anorexia too.  Second, having that stuff out there solves some of the curiosity issues.  

      It is a great story for my daughter to use when she wants to embarass me.

    •  Staggering (none)
      Very sobering numbers.  Thank you for posting the link.

      Truly I don't know what to say, except to note how ironic this is.

      ~Liberal in the best sense of the word~

      by Lucky Ducky on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 01:27:45 PM PST

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  •  Abstinence only (none)
    sex education is not intended to help teenagers.

    It's intended to help naive and/or guilty adults feel better.

    So, in the spirit of Franken, who are the GOP's real abstinence heroes?

    ~Liberal in the best sense of the word~

    by Lucky Ducky on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 01:22:39 PM PST

  •  A lot of fundies believe... (none)
    ...that the adverse consequences of nonmarital sex are just punishments for girls, and, to a lesser extent, boys, who engage in nonmarital sex.

    ~Liberal in the best sense of the word~

    by Lucky Ducky on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 01:32:40 PM PST

  •  Well, I guess Molly Ivins got her answer (none)
    In Bushwhacked she speaks of Bush's support for two "voluntary emission reduction" plans in Texas, one for air pollution, the other for sex.  She then states that, while almost no Texan companies voluntarily reduced their industrial effluents, figures for Texan teenagers were not yet available.

    Well, now she knows.

    Invisible airwaves crackle with life, ripe antennae bristle with the energy

    by Ernest Tomlinson on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 01:46:36 PM PST

  •  PART (none)
    I asked this on Raw, but I want an aswer so maybe someone here knows:

    Is there any way to see a copy of this 25-part questionnaire called the Program Assessment Rating Tool (PART)? I'd love to know what questions were asked, the manner in which they were asked, and the methodology used for assessing the results.

    Seriously.  Bush is claiming this study was a basis for determining these cuts.  OK, fine.  Share with the rest of us the results of the study.  Or is it sort of like Cheney and the energy policy, and Iraq and WMD?  We're just expected to trust him?

    Newsflash - - I don't trust him or any of his kind.

  •  a born baby is a future consumer (none)
    In order to understand the gop abstinence stance, you must first realize one thing: the only thing republicans care about is money.  They choose to sponsor the programs that dont work because they want you to have babies, they want you to have 50 of them!

    Having a baby will dramatically increase your level of consumption (at least double), thus making you a lot more valuable in a market economy.

    a baby is a trust fund, a hospital bill, a mouth to feed, many doctor visits, prescription medicines, health care plans ... and a single mother is a ready worker, willing to work at very base of our economic pyramid.  So a single mother is willing to work, work, work, and is forced to spend, spend, spend.  A model American! ... for those who stand to gain the most from her.  

    fuck republicans, i hate them all

    then ends do not justify the means, rather, the means dictate and determine the out come.

    by chinkoPelinke on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 07:57:13 PM PST

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