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Oh man, reality is truly stranger than fiction.

"Jeff Gannon", the White House press propagandist "correspondent" for the fake "Talon" news service, turns out to be using a nom de plume.

A group of dKos diarists have been peeling away the layers of Gannon's fake persona, summarized by World O'Crap. In one of those diaries, this revelation is made by Radically Bitter: Among the domains owned by Gannon/Guckert are these:

jeffgannon.com
Hotmilitarystud.com
Militaryescorts.com
Militaryescortsm4m.com
In case this isn't clear enough, those last three are gay sex-themed names. Suddenly, his picture looks appropriately in character.

So why is this relevant, other than today seems to have become "Republicans and sex hypocrisy day"?

In reviewing White House press conferences from the past year, Media Matters for America has noted numerous instances in which Gannon's lobs -- leading questions that often include false assumptions favorable to the Bush administration -- have allowed McClellan to move to friendlier turf, away from having to answer questions on such issues as the proposed Federal Marriage Amendment; [...]
So in addition to the "hyprocrisy and sex" thing, we've got the "hypocrisy and gay" thing.

And no, this wasn't planned. It's not my fault the other side unloaded so much hypocrisy in a single day.

(In a sign of how I've lost complete control over this site, I note, with great irony, that I found out about the domain thing from Atrios.)

Update: There is some concern that focus on the more salacious details of Gannon's hypocrisy detracts from more substantive discussions and investigations currently going on by various diariests.

In a way, that may be true. Gannon is a propagandist, funded by god knows who, who essentially provide McClellan a lifeline whenever the White House press corps backs him into a corner.

I, along with most liberals, couldn't care less if one of our colleagues or employees is gay. That's a problem with right wingers, not our side.

So say Guckert's outing costs him his gravy train at Talon "News", and he is replaced by someone else, would that kill the issue?

I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Personally, I think it would add fire to the crusade if they cut him loose. And it's not as if the "propaganda" angle is tied to Guckert. That one belongs to Talon News, independent of which sycophant they have infesting the White House press room every day.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:47 PM PST.

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  •  Just did a little digging (none)
    Came across an obit with a son James and a daughter Karen. And a Karen Guckert was killed by a roadside bomb in Iraq.

    I know that's too little info, but for those who can search better, please do. I'm, uh, at work.

    Anything by Loudon Wainwright III

    by Earl on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:43:42 PM PST

  •  Another possibility (4.00)
    Could the gay sites be an attempt to identify closeted military people? Could the intend have been blackmail?

    And another question - for Guckert to have advanced, he likely had a high up sponsor, also closeted -- this could get interesting...

  •  SETI (4.00)
    In a sign of how I've lost complete control over this site, I note, with great irony, that I found out about the domain thing from Atrios

    Distributed processing is a wonderful thing.

    •  control vs. leadership (4.00)
      Kos, there is being in control and then there is being a role model.  The Gannongate explosion is done by hard-working readers emulating you... you are more in control than ever.

      Just not that kind of control.

    •  it sure is wonderful (4.00)
      the more self-sufficient e-activists we have, the more work like this will get done. And this is just one of a long string of similar projects, like the Sinclair Boycott, Buy Blue, and the Ohio voting problems.
      •  Cuts both ways (none)
        The wingers are doing the same to Eason Jordan, it appears.
      •  kos... (none)
        I have a question re web site construction.  If you would, please e-mail me.  Address is under my name.

        Thanks,
        NYBri

        "Off we go into the Wild New Yonder"

        by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:58:44 PM PST

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      •  You gave us the space and the room (4.00)
        This couldn't have happened without you.

        AND ... there's a lot more to come. I'm going to let the feeding frenzy over the sex pics to die down so we can get back to focusing on the main question:

        What was this guy doing with secret, classified information in his interview with Joe Wilson?

        •  Susan G: (4.00)
          Many congratulations to the project you founded re: Jeff Gannon.

          Must say, I kind of hate to see it go off in this direction as that does diminish all the work you and y'all have done.

          I'm more saddened to see this front page post than anything else.

          In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

          by a gilas girl on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:20:49 PM PST

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          •  Wonderful work, Susan G. (4.00)
            And gilas girl, it is sad. But what would you do with it? And I almost hate to raise this cheap old question, but: what would THEY do with it were the positions reversed? Do think of Karl Rove when feeling super fastidious. That's what I do. Remember all his vileness.

            It will be interesting to see who else picks this up and where it goes.

          •  Here's the real shits ... (4.00)
            I have the best, most-researched diary of the whole series right now on hold.

            It is absolutely the most important one so far, for a couple of reasons.

            But ... there's no sex in it. It focuses on the Plame leak/Gannon angle.

            And I'm going to have to hold it back until this frenzy dies down.

            •  I am excited to see the next installment (4.00)
              Susan, you and your group have kept me up every night for over a week now. I look for those Roman Numerals every chance I get. XVI now?
              Your diary is a lot better than a mystery novel I can not put down. A 4 and a 5 Stars to you!

              Fix the Problems, Don't create new ones

              by BarnBabe on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:09:46 PM PST

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            •  Please release it (none)
              I've been following the REAL story and want to know more.

              Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. H.L. Mencken

              by Seoduwyn on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:10:52 PM PST

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            •  can't wait to read it (none)
              still think LondonYank and NYBri are on the right tracks. If there were federal dollars spent on the influence projects of Eberle and company that is the goal.

              Let me know what I can do. My mornings are yours and Liberalpalooza's.

              What Would Shirley Chisholm Do?

              by ricardo4 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:12:38 PM PST

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            •  that's way more interesting to me (none)
              Don't hold it back too long, I await it eagerly.
            •  My advice: (4.00)
              Hold it until tomorrow morning, publish it first thing in the A.M..  It'll sit in the recommended diaries all day, absolutely everyone will see it.  Sorry everyone, but you can wait.  We need to maximize the impact on this stuff.

              So that'll give time for this part of the story to percolate a bit.  Then come back with the nasty connection to Plame, now that even more people are paying attention.  And as should be obvious from Atrios, Kos, Salon, Kurtz, etc., etc., etc., you've got people's attention.

              An aside: I'll fully agree parts of this thread are treading the line of good taste, but I will chalk that up to everyone temporarily being shocked out of their gourds that, yet again, a hard-right conservative wingnut turns out to be a complete, unabashed hypocrite.  A gay man fighting against gay rights.  A "Christian" peddling pornography.  A "journalist" who freakin' posts pictures of himself in his underwear on the Internet.  Like it or not, that's gonna be news.  Now use the publicity to push the bigger Plame story even farther into the public eye.

            •  You're right. (none)
              I agree about holding off for a few days.  As exciting as the discovery of Gannon's identity is, the other stuff is much more important.  Not just the Plame stuff, but some of the other stuff that has yet to be published too.

              Wait, let this die down then put out the next section.  Then wait and put out the next section.

              Too much info at once will just get lost.  


              "I don't know the meaning of the word surrender! I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb...just not in this context." -- The Tick

              by Liberalpalooza on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:38:14 PM PST

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            •  Susan, are you (4.00)
              an investigative reporter?  You should be.  Fantastic work.

              "Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to God alone."--Thomas Jefferson

              by hopesprings on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:50:26 PM PST

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            •  Don't wait too long... (4.00)
              You're right, the titillating stuff is a distraction.  But it's also mildly radioactive for the right.  Suddenly they're wanting to get distance--and while they're all scurrying to do that, they're not covering him.

              Remember, scandal--and smut--sells.  This is an angle that the SCLM will adore; they can present the hypocrisy of "Gannon" and the hypocrisy of those who've cuddled up with him as a package that... well... "bleeds".  It'll sell.

              The deeper, more substantial stuff is important.  Really important.  But don't lose track of the fact that with the serious stuff goes this tawdry stuff.  Ridiculous as it is, it's significant to the "values" folks.  This is incredibly corrosive to their sense that the neocons and their sympathizers are their allies.  Remember what they played for the Cilnton impeachment?  It was a few mildly substantial issues (that didn't justify impeachment) plus a huge dose of sex scandal to justify the outrage and shock (oh, the shock, I tell you!).

              A winger friend is proof.  She's recoiling at what I've sent on to her.  "Why am I responsible for all the nutjobs in the GOP?" is the theme of her scrambling.  The answer is because they're not isolated lunatics that have been identified and disowned (say, like LaRouche).  These nutjobs are the guys that the White House and Frist and others are snuggling up with to plot how to bury dirty laundry.

              Yes, in the grand scheme, the sex scandal is trivia and a distraction. But it's a really dangerous wedge issue for the loonies of the right.  'Half' of them don't give a tinker's dam,  none of this really matters to them.  They'd happily look the other way (and have been).  But they pander to the 'half' that does care.  And as the latter half finds out what kind of company the first half keeps, it's demoralizing for them.  They don't want to keep that kind of company...

              I see it as being sort of like the freeze-thaw cycle breaking down rock.  This kind of stuff has an effect.  We don't see it or expect it, because we find it inconsequential.  But it's hard to wrap yourself in Leviticus and self-righteousness when you're associated with people running porn sites that are trying to offer hot young military guys to gays.  The cognitive dissonance is simply extreme.

              O it is excellent to have a giant's strength; but it is tyrannous To use it like a giant--Shakespeare, Measure for Measure, Act II

              by ogre on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:33:23 PM PST

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              •  The republic you got (none)
                I agree with ogre  - you got to go with the republic you got, and try to move it toward the democracy you want. If the sex crap will get public attention to the fact that this crowd at the wheel now is perverse, fine and dandy I say. Now my concern about a particular "perversity" is my own - though I know many kossacks share it. I think the perversion of the English language that is willfully practiced by the current Washington elite, in the service of a growing tyranny of thought over America and the world, is the main game. But if pictures of guys in there underwear will get attention on the issue of the general, corrosive perversity of this crowd, fine and dandy.

                The name is not the thing named, the map is not the territory. -- Gregory Bateson

                by semiot on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:47:44 PM PST

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                •  "The sex crap" (none)
                  was what nearly got Clinton impeached...

                  ...it can be powerful.

                  But it's the "escort service" angle, not the gay one, that we should stress - lest we appear homophobic which I believe the vast majority of us here are decidedly NOT!

                  "Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to God alone."--Thomas Jefferson

                  by hopesprings on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 06:58:57 PM PST

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                  •  I think you meant to say the PIMP angle. (none)
                    Escort service is too nice.  Our White House shill appears to be a pimp.

                    Mommy, what's a pimp? Are all Republicans pimps?

                    •  say that as much as possible (none)
                      PIMP PIMP PIMP PIMP PIMP

                      If you're tempted to say anything about the sex aspect.  It isn't about the gay.  It's about the pimp.  (For one reason, it brings to mind the fact that SOMEBODY was pimping HIM out as a "reporter" known as "Jeff Gannon.")

                      Pimp!

                      Also, keep your eyes on the prize, this isn't over, who leaked to him, who pays for GOPUSA, who vetted him, etc.

            •  Very wise (none)
              A wise woman you are.  We need those on our side, never enough of 'em.

              In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

              by a gilas girl on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 06:08:10 PM PST

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        •  Way to Go, Susan (4.00)
          And way to stay on topic: now that we know who this guy is, we need to find out how he's done what he's done:

          1) getting into White House Press Conferences
          2) getting hold of a secret memo before interviewing Joe Wilson

          Luckily, we have loads of kossacks working on those issues as we speak. I'd encourage all those new to the story to check out SusanG's diaries on the topic. There's plenty of work to be done before we're finished with this sexy, sexy pseudo-journalist!

          This post kills fascists.

          by baltimoretim on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:56:33 PM PST

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        •  I totally agree SusanG (none)
          I have to congratulate you and the other people investigating and putting so much time into this.

          But let's not forget the first reason this investigation was started. The leak of a classified document identifying a CIA operative and endangering her life and possibly any op that was connected with her in any way.

          The gay part of all this is quite compelling given the hypocracy of it all but how he got access to that memo is extremely important.

      •  Clearly, (4.00)
        you have created a monster, a wonderful monster without doubt, but a monster all the same.  

        It is always a nice thing to recognize that one's life has significance beyond the usual horizon.  

        DCDemocrat: Higher editorial standards than The New York Times.

        by DCDemocrat on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:14:21 PM PST

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      •  I was wondering Kos (none)
        when you would take notice of this.  And i was curious, as well as others I'm sure, what your take on it was.  Good to know you approve.  Seems like every blog who mentions the story has a link back here a gives credit to the Kos community who have done most of the heavy lifting.
    •  What if he and Sully got married? (none)
      Can you imagine what their children would be like?  Ugh.

      --- Reality-based since 1965

      by grytpype on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:16:59 PM PST

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  •  Book 'em, Danno. (none)
    Looks like we got our guy.

    I did not receive $ from Ketchum, U.S. Department of Ed or HHS to write this---though I wish I had.

    by Volvo Liberal on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:46:29 PM PST

  •  TeamBlogosphere 1, TeamBushCo/Gannon/Guckert 0 (3.75)
    It's exactly this sort of thing that is what makes the blogosphere something new.  It's not just an easy way to publish, not just a community, it's -- to steal and twist Rush Limbaugh's phrase -- a "BS detector."  With all of us out here using our awesome Googling skillz, it's much harder to pull the wool over people's eyes...
  •  I'm a gay man living in Virginia (4.00)
    where they're on the way to moving an anti-marriage amendment into the state constitution, and even I can't believe this shit.

    Kos is right:  you just can't make this stuff up.

    Does anyone think that anyone in the WH press corps will actually follow up and file stories, wondering how this guy got credentials?

    UM, lemme think. . . .  

    NOT!

    We are not a "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

    by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:46:59 PM PST

    •  With wonkette on the story, (none)
      it will be hard for the Washington press corps to ignore it.
    •  But tonight Wolfie and Howie said -- (none)
      that's it's wrong for leftie bloggers to look into the personal lives of journalists.

      Issue 1:  What if a journalist has no professional life to look into so "personal" is the only life to check out?

      Issue 2: Have Wolfie and Howie been lounging around AOL in their tightie-whities or something?  Enquiring minds want to know!

      (PS - The personal lives of politicians of COURSE are in bounds, not out of bounds.  Y'know.  Cigar preferences and stuff.)

      "The key to security is public information." -- Margaret Chase Smith

      by Drawn4Quarters on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 07:45:20 PM PST

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  •  Welcome, kos.... (4.00)
    Jump on in.  The water's find.

    Actually the issue is very large.  I take a stab at it Here.  As a matter of fact, this is my WHY I am involved in this undertaking, if anyone would like to take a look.

    NYBri

    "Off we go into the Wild New Yonder"

    by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:47:01 PM PST

    •  NYBri (none)
      thanks for that thoughtful assessment. I'd missed it earlier, and glad to read it now.

      True journalism: truth, justice, and the American way, not just a cliche any more.

      There's a nice-ninny priest/at tea in everyone,/all cozy and chatty as auntie,/but a saint comes/and throws rocks through the window. -- John Ciardi

      by Mnemosyne on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:08:07 PM PST

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      •  Thanks for reading, mnemosyne... (none)
        this ahs been quite a ride, yes?  I hope you're on for the duration...?

        "Off we go into the Wild New Yonder"

        by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 08:27:10 PM PST

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        •  Holding on to my hat, (none)
          clinging desperately to the rail as the good ship dKos comes about, trims all sails, and beats into the wind of the gathering storm. And other assorted cliches.

          I'm not as sophisticated in researching such technical things as web sites, which so many others do brilliantly. But, yeah, give me a phone and a Rolodex and I can have a pretty good time.

          There's a nice-ninny priest/at tea in everyone,/all cozy and chatty as auntie,/but a saint comes/and throws rocks through the window. -- John Ciardi

          by Mnemosyne on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:10:15 PM PST

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  •  Deja Vu All Over Again (none)
    So did you click on Atrios' link to the domain names and say "Waitaminnit, I've been here before..."?
  •  That AOL picture (none)
    And the AOL profile picture is at the absolute limit of AOL's tolerance for suggestive photographs. I'm sort of surprised it hasn't been removed due to complaints about its salaciousness.

    "Don't screw with me, I'm a Damnocrat and I've got nothing to lose but my dealer-financed pickup."

    by precinct1233 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:48:16 PM PST

  •  BLOGS RULE!!! BLOGS DESTROY MSM!! (4.00)
    IF this were Instapundit, you would be posting a hundred things a day on this and stating only: BLOGS RULE! BLOGS RULE!  

    If this were PowerLine, you would proudly proclaim that you, Mr. Daily Kos, have destroyed all by yourself the MSM as we know it.

    Can't wait for Jeff Jarvis, of BuzzMachine, to have a whole load of posts about this. . . . After all, he claims to be a dem.

    Wisdom too often never comes, and so one ought not to reject it merely because it comes late. --Mr. Justice Frankfurter.

    by NewDem on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:48:18 PM PST

  •  Is it just me or (none)
    does Gannon look like a younger James McDougal?

    "Pro-life" really means "pro-criminalization"

    by Radiowalla on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:48:41 PM PST

  •  These are the same people... (4.00)
    ... attacking SpongeBob and Sesame Street? Hypocrisy indeed.

     I have written a diary about Sesame Street's global mission and funding needs, including a link to make donations.

    Today, Sesame Street is the longest street in the world -- a boulevard of learning, understanding, and respect among children across the globe... using the power of media to make a positive impact on the world of tomorrow. We're teaching children to be more tolerant, more understanding, and more respectful of differences.

    Those, my friends, are core liberal values we all stand for. Please read my diary and make a donation if you can afford it... and, yes, I have been pimping this diary a lot because the Street is very close to my heart. Sorry if that offends anyone.

    "The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State, because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government" - Teddy Roosevelt

    by mrboma on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:49:30 PM PST

  •  Caption for the Gannon/Guckert pic (none)
    "I bet you'd like to smell my fingers too?"

    "Blogging doesn't make it so" - Sen. Hayworth (R) AZ 1/6/2005. Oh yeah?

    by bejammin075 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:49:32 PM PST

  •  LMAO! This is MOST EXCELLENT! (4.00)
    But before we party too much...

    QUICK!  EVERYONE!  SAVE THAT PICTURE BEFORE IT IS TAKEN OFF THE INTERNETS!

    And good work everyone!

    Every revolution carries with it the seeds of its own destruction.

    by Page van der Linden on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:49:44 PM PST

    •  Done (none)
      just as you said.

      DCDemocrat: Higher editorial standards than The New York Times.

      by DCDemocrat on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:16:31 PM PST

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    •  OT, but, I just ran across the following (none)
      GENIERE - Dum-dum Daschle
      SPARTANBURG, SC (Talon News) -- The campaign for Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD), who is running for his political life against Republican challenger John Thune, has a new television ad that began running this week featuring President George W. Bush and his political nemesis in the U.S. Senate hugging each other.

      http://www.talonnews.com/news/2004/august/0831_daschle_bush.shtml

      in the Phycicsforums.com archives.

      The title caught my eye and a caused a little itch to start in the back of my mind. When I scratched, I remembered that Winchester once marketed a fragmentation round called

      Black Talon SXT: The original Black Talon handgun bullet. It was introduced in 1991. The cartridge consists of a black colored bullet seated in a nickel-plated case. The black paint-like coating on the bullet is a Winchester proprietary lubricant called Lubalox. The bullet has six serrations on the rim of the hollowpoint cavity (meplat), and six talons. The talons deploy when the bullet expands. They are described by Winchester as: "six uniform, radial jacket petals with perpendicular tips." Winchester voluntarily discontinued sales of Black Talon SXT to the general public in late 1993/early 1994 due to intense negative media and political pressure. Some political activists derisively referred to it as "Black Felon" ammo.

      The funny part is that the colloquialism for a fragmentation round is

      Dumdum: An early form of expanding bullet made at Dumdum Arsenal, India, in the 1890s, in an attempt to make the small bullets used in modern rifles as  effective as the much larger and heavier bullets used with black powder muskets

      Coincidence? I think not.

      WARNING: When not being directly observed, this post may cease to exist or exist only in a vague and undetermined state.

      by Democarp on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:54:39 PM PST

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  •  C'mon, the guy's just an entrepreneur... (4.00)
    selling what he can. He tried the court-reporting thing, and started a little Hot-Marine-Boy action on the side. Now he's selling something else: "Jeff Gannon, Intrepid Reporter!"

    But who's paying him? And where do they get their money from? And how in hell did he hook up with Bobby Eberle?

  •  AND, BTW,.... (4.00)
    A HUGE CHEER goes out to SusanG and every kossack who has worked so hard on this.

    This is just the start.  

    We are after the man behind the curtain

    "Off we go into the Wild New Yonder"

    by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:50:10 PM PST

    •  Hip Hip, Hooray! (none)

      You get one too...been following this in the shadows. So here's yours:

      Hip, Hop, Hooray-Ho-Hey-Ho...

      [shakes head]

      Sorry.

      Kudos to the Propagannonistas. Job well done. I hear rumors there's more to come...

    •  work is just started (none)
      kudos to all but the work is just begun. NYBri is there anything from the Gannon/Talon FOIA filing in the DC tax office?
      In my spare time I have been looking at the timing of the rise of Talon with Defense Department projects to Influence through web sites overseas wondering if the effort in the US was concurrent.

      What Would Shirley Chisholm Do?

      by ricardo4 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:08:39 PM PST

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      •  Okay...FOIA update.... (none)
        standingup has been the on it all the way.  standingup has gotten up to speed on the FOIA ins and outs and is to be commended for the great work.

        Today a FOIA requst has been submitted to the DC tax office for Talon News' FIOA request for Daschel's tax records and we will have that doc within ten days (sooner, most likely).  Why is this important?  We'll have names and addresses for Talon News.  And, if the infomation on their request is wrong or is signed by a fake, then we have grounds to argue for this news organization to lose their press credentials.  You'll be the first to know.

        Press credentials

        We are on it.  'nuf said at this point.  

        Let me repeat.  This is the beginning.  More to follow.  Stay focues.  Stay energized.  This is YOUR project and will go as far as you want to take it.

        However...

        We are after the man behind the curtain

        "Off we go into the Wild New Yonder"

        by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:22:14 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  Let me and spiderleaf know (none)
        what you find....

        Thank you...

        "Off we go into the Wild New Yonder"

        by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:23:35 PM PST

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  •  Wouldn't it be rich if this guy were Mehlman's (none)
    lover.  Ken Mehlman, GOP National Committee Chair, and rumored to be gay  (not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just the hypocricy stupid).

    Were you expecting something witty or inspiring in this space?

    by LionelEHutz on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:51:49 PM PST

    •  not lover, but former trick (none)
      That's the most likely scenerio.  Maybe they've attended a discrete "men's party" together.  Or hosted one.

      We are not a "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

      by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:58:57 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Or David Dreier's n/t (none)
      •  No way! (none)
        He's so not cute enough for David Drier.

        And isn't Drier shacked up with his chief of staff?

        •  If you pay attention (none)
          to how the Rabid Right describes gays then it wouldn't matter. They are quite promiscuous after all.
          •  I have no firm data to back this up but (none)
            as a general observation over the course of my fabulous gay career, the more unable you are to be publicly out, the less likely you are to enter a stable relationship, the more likely you are to have a life patterned on fleeting, even furtive, secret sexual encounters.  So it' more likely that the really self-hating gay folks (especially men) who try to pray away the gay are among those who've had the most promiscuous sexual careers.  As a generalization it may very well hold, but ther are always exceptions.

            This could in part explain why the fundies uphold that stereotype most firmly:  what little anecdotal data they get from the p[eople they meet tends to confirm it.

            We are not a "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

            by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:45:26 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  wow (4.00)
    mucho props to the gannongate crowd.  good work!

    now to blog flog the discovery.  won't it be interesting to the red-state "moral values" crowd to be debating why did the white house credential a gay internet pornographer?

    and why was he shilling for the administration?  what does this say about GOPUSA.com?  and doesn't it kind of blow the whole homosexual agenda canard out of the water?

    l'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers

    by zeke L on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:52:14 PM PST

    •  Nice frame! (none)
      Why did the white house credential a gay internet pornographer?

      "Blogging doesn't make it so" - Sen. Hayworth (R) AZ 1/6/2005. Oh yeah?

      by bejammin075 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:58:58 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  preface that with (4.00)
        "...what some people say..." for total affect:

        why did the White House credential what some people say is a gay interent pornographer?

        •  Or... (4.00)
          Why did the WH credential what some people say is a gay internet pornographer and what was he doing with secret, classified information in his interview with Joe Wilson?

          "Sir, we've already lost the dock." A Zion Lieutenant to Commander Lock, The Matrix Revolutions

          by AuntiePeachy on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:11:35 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  It's one better... (4.00)
            Why did the WH credential under a fake name what some people say is a gay internet pornographer and what was he doing with secret, classified information in his interview with Joe Wilson?
            •  Ahhhhhhhhhhh (none)
              Now you are getting to what started the whole first diary 10 days ago. The AOL picture is icing on the cake. And if you have not been reading from the start, there 14 diaries and sub diaries out there. And none of them are short but everyone is interesting. Enjoy.

              Fix the Problems, Don't create new ones

              by BarnBabe on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 08:55:56 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

        •  the Fox effect ... some people say. (none)
          I watched OutFoxed. It was a great exposé

          Howard Dean or I go Green!

          by davidwparker on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:31:33 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

    •  Hmm (none)
      Who arranged for the male prostitute to begin working at the White House?  Was it a former client?

      After The Rapture, we get all of their stuff.

      by bink on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:45:49 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  then there's the payola angle... (none)
        some people say this white house propagandist also runs a gay escort service.  but is he a paid propagandist, like armstrong williams and the rest?  and if he is, just what services does he provide?

        l'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers

        by zeke L on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:10:14 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Pay for Gayola-gate (3.50)
          or

          Pay for Gayola

          Armstrong Williams is also gay  and was successfull sued for harrasing his perseonal trainer and an intern in his officetheir a trend happening here.

          •  that may be a little over the top (none)
            maybe we should leave it to the wingnuts to go there.

            just to make it clear: i didn't figure i needed to put a not that there's anything wrong with that disclaimer on my post, as we're on dkos fer cryin' out loud.  (and if you're expecting me to be PC, it just ain't gonna happen.)  but maybe i need to say at this point that the gay porn/escort service angle is a lucky break only because it gets attention.

            sad to say, but the media is controlled by the wrong-wing noise machine these days.  all the good work susanG and others did would probably be studiously ignored if it were only about shadowy propagandizing and the plame affair. that's the reality of our situation today.  the gay porn angle is simply a way to get enough sizzle in the story that the RWCM won't be able to pass up something so juicy, especially if it takes down a rival journalist somehow.  they live for that, partly because it makes for good ratings.

            consider it a delivery vector into the brains of the americans who have been blinded by the right.

            l'homme est né libre, et partout il est dans les fers

            by zeke L on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:53:49 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

  •  He failed to mention the "closet" part (4.00)
    ... of hiding in "PLAIN SIGHT"

    HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT

    The hard-core Lefties are conducting an exhaustive search for me in cyberspace, which has produced an entertaining mosaic of conspiracy theories.  I appreciate all the attention, but I can do without the threats on my person, property and family.

    On Thursday, I provided the opportunity for anyone who could operate a telephone to ask me a question on my webcast show, "Jeff Gannon's Washington" on www.RIGHTALK.com.  I was willing to hold a press conference there where anyone could participate and ask me any question, something that the Left wants to deny this conservative journalist.  Only one person called and his question was incomprehensible.

    For those out there that still have questions about me and don't think I should be able to be a journalist, here's what you need to know: 

    I'm everything people on the Left seem to despise.  I'm a man who is white, politically conservative, a gun-owner, an SUV driver and I've voted for Republicans.   I'm pro-American, pro-military, pro-democracy, pro-capitalism, pro-free speech, anti-tax and anti-big government.  Most importantly, I'm a Christian.  Not only by birth, but by rebirth through the blood of Jesus Christ.

    ... and I hope to make a big success out of my gay men's escort service. Ain't life grand!

    http://jeffgannon.com/Making%20News/hiding_in_plain_sight.htm

    •  congrats (4.00)
      Congratulations on the diary posters who unearthed this!  Absolutely brilliant stuff....though I sincerely hope it's all bulletproof, 'cos the squealing that this could provoke will be deafening....
    •  Funny how he (none)
      doesn't mention "straight", which the Left is supposed to despise, or "family values as something to be "pro-".
      •  Funny how someone who's been (none)
        saved "by rebirth through the blood of Jesus Christ", and says he is "most importantly... a Christian" can host a website called "hotmilitarystud.com".

        (And honestly, I'm more than a little ticked off that "the blood of Jesus Christ" is therefore apparently considered little more than Holy Chapstick, to be applied or taken off at the whim of the "Christian" in question, but that's another post...)

      •  Also doesn't mention (none)
        sanctimonious which is pretty apparent with that closing line of his.

        I don't know if the Left is supposed to hate that, but I sure as hell do.

        In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

        by a gilas girl on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:30:49 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

    •  Wait... (none)
      I am a Lefty, and I am a white male. A successful white male. I'm pro-American, pro-military, pro-democracy, pro-free speech, and anti-big government- mostly the big government that wants into my bedroom. Am I supposed to hate myself?

      The guy is an idiot or a liar. Or both.

      Signature Impaired.

      by gttim on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:22:28 PM PST

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    •  If you follow the logic of the (none)
      fundamentalist Christian right, THEY would say he's not allowed to be a Christian if he's gay, right?

      "Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to God alone."--Thomas Jefferson

      by hopesprings on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:34:37 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  NOTICE WHAT'S MISSING????? (none)
      I'm everything people on the Left seem to despise.  I'm a man who is white, politically conservative, a gun-owner, an SUV driver and I've voted for Republicans.   I'm pro-American, pro-military, pro-democracy, pro-capitalism, pro-free speech, anti-tax and anti-big government.  Most importantly, I'm a Christian.  Not only by birth, but by rebirth through the blood of Jesus Christ.

      Notice what's missing here?

      "... I'm straight...

      --- Reality-based since 1965

      by grytpype on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:25:06 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm right, right? (none)
        Where does he say "I'm straight, I like girls, I am not a peter puffer...."   It's not even SUGGESTED or ALUDED TO!

        --- Reality-based since 1965

        by grytpype on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:46:34 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  The closest he comes (none)
          Is here:
          Looking for a Conservative Gal

          Because I am anatomically unable to be The Conservative Gal, I am hoping to feature articles submitted by women. Please submit articles via e-mail to TheConservativeGuy@conservativeguy.com with "CONSERVATIVE GAL" in the subject line. Contributors whose articles appear on the site will receive an "I'm A Conservative Gal.com" T-shirt!

          •  Right, he says he is "anatomically incorrec (none)
            t"

            Reading an awful lot into that, I would say he is clearly not comfortable in his own body, and is a perfect living example of a Threat to the Institution of the Family.

            --- Reality-based since 1965

            by grytpype on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:59:25 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  yes you're probably reading too much into it (none)
              That undies pic seemed pretty comfortable with his male body. To me it sounded like he was just being "cute" in his way of explaining why he couldn't do the content himself for conservativegal.com.
            •  way too much (none)
              I just think he's trying to explain away his lack of said  'conservative gal' to any of his readers.  It'd be bound to come up in a blog or a radio show, and he'd need to be ready to counter it.  'I'm looking' is as old as the hills for that.  In a small way, it'd also, not so incidentally, throw off any inquiry into the possible roll of sex in his credentials, which is a really, really, ... ,really valid question here.

              Of course, no where does he allude to not 'going both ways' as it were, which could also be it (<prerequisite>Not that there's anything wrong with that</prerequisite>) .  

              Frued doesn't need any more ammo on this one than he's already got!

              "Politics isn't about big money or power games; it's about the improvement of people's lives" - Paul Wellstone

              by nullspace on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 08:52:52 AM PST

              [ Parent ]

  •  What the Hell? (none)

    To his virtues be very kind, to his vices, very blind. moralquestionsblog.com

    by Descrates on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 02:57:12 PM PST

  •  Odd (4.00)
    Don't you think it odd that the page where the pic is posted for ratings also shows the last time he checked to see how he was rated?  Like, only a couple of hours ago??  Wouldn't that indicate that this is not an old posting of that pic?  Smell a set up?
    •  asdf (none)
      if you are refering to the hot or not site, that was a joke done by someone over at Atrios....

      the original pic came from AOL

    •  Possible set up (none)
      Yes, I for one smell a set up.
      •  Indeed... (4.00)
        ...check out the kerning on that nipple! Clearly a forgery!

        Start doing the things you think should be done, and start being what you think society should become. -Adam Michnik.

        by GreenSooner on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:23:02 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  PsyOps (4.00)
        I bet the whole AOL picture and other bits of "information" that surfaced today are all planted, brought to you courtesy of the same folks who planted the Bush AWOL memos that led to RatherGate.

        Karl Rove planted this sort of stuff before to further his political aims, I'm sure he'd do it again.

        •  they'd have to have someone on the inside of AOL (4.00)
          Since if you go do a search for jdg17 on members.aol.com you see that his page was last updated 2/23/2000.  So unless they hacked AOL somehow just for that purpose, it's a pretty safe bet that Guckert posted that then.  

          Also, my understanding is that the jdg17@aol.com email address was discovered when someone on kos or atrios emailed Jeff Gannon and got a reply from that email.  Did I imagine that?

          •  Could someone (none)
            point me to the post or explain to me how the guy in the picture and/or the email address is related to the name guckert?  Or is the photo/address related to the name gannon only?

            Is it possible that the page was put up in 2000 but edited recently?  Has anyone looked for cache copies of the source?  I'm not a techie, so I don't know what I'm talking about, but is there anyway to find out if the photo's been edited recently?

    •  Yes (none)
      Too odd.

      We got to keep asking why we found this now.  If he has the slightest bit of intelligence, he knew we'd find it (that is, if he knew about it).  So why is it still there?

      As I said in the other thread, we should slow down with this thing.

      The problem of power is how to achieve its responsible use rather than its irresponsible and indulgent use JFK

      by Responsible on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:15:13 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Remember Rathergate (none)
        I agree that they/he knew we might find this, and that it may have been left intentionally 'out there' to serve as the escape hatch when SusanG et al get too close to finding the truth.

        They have been trying to discredit the left with accusations of bigotry/thus hypocrisy for some time now.  This benefits their propaganda two ways.

        1. by focusing the left's investigation of Gannon on the gay angle, it gives them leverage to accuse us of intolerance of gays

        and

        2. as with Rathergate, it not only taints the whole investigation if it's untrue or planted, it also derails the momentum of the real investigation as we all rush to chase this will-o-the-wisp.

        The gay angle is important only to the extent that the picture, email address, fraternity affiliation, etc. lead us elsewhere to discover who this man actually is, and how he can get this close to the most protected president in history using a fake name and a day pass.

        Have a laugh at the cheesy picture and let it go.
        Remember Rathergate.

        •  If he is gay (none)
          it would also explain why he didn't use his real name as a "reporter" in the intolerant GOP. But are we sure he is gay? I thought the sites were considered bait to out gay military guys. But then, I can't really imagine any straight guys I know posing like the AOL picture. Also why else would he quit so easily? I mean, that is all we have really found out about him.
    •  it was woot (none)
      Atrios' class clown.
  •  They're All Queer! (3.00)
    Closeted, self-loathing, self-denying, latent homosexuals. Santorum, Frist, Drier, even Georgie Boy, every one of them! They get off on being nasty and naughty instead of forth-rightly gay. And, I bet, they like spankings, too.
    •  Is this a trend (4.00)
      or is it just coincidental that Armstrong Williams another closeted self-laothing gay who just happens to be on the WH payroll.

      Payola for Gayola-gate:

      www.dailykos.com :

      In 1997, [Armstrong] Williams was sued in a massive $200,000 50-charge sexual harassment suit for repeatedly kissing his once male trainer Stephen Gregory who he had promoted repeatedly into his talk-show staff. Gregory claimed Williams had also grabbed his buttocks and genitals and climbed into bed with him on business trips. After rebuffing him, Gregory alleged, the pundit retaliated by reducing his pay and subsequently firing him.

      At the time, the Williams had just teased an explosive quote from then-Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott who said that gays should be treated like those who have a problem with "alcohol ... or sex addiction ... or kleptomaniacs."

      •  <engage tinfoil, ahead warp factor 9> (none)
        Okay, here's my pointless conspiracy-mongering for today:

        You need an absolutely reliable partisan mouthpiece.

        1. You run a camp for publicity-minded super-partisans and call it a journalism institute. Actually, it's an interview process for patsies. You can even advertise it by touting the success of the patsies you've placed.
        2. You find some likely candidates and do an intensive background search on them. But you're not looking for quality or reliability; you're looking for blackmailability. After all, you're the world's best at something: you are experts at finding ways to smear people. [remember, work to your strengths!]
        3. You put them in a position where they either have a powerful mouthpiece or can speak in front of a ton of journalists.
        4. You hold the threat of blackmail over him until something hits the fan, then you dump 'em.
        5. The story becomes the shocking revelation of the blackmail content, not the original story. After all, it was just a few bad apples.

        <capt'n! She canna take it anymore!>

        </tinfoil>

        I am now telling the computer exactly what it can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate.

        by HeyThereItsEric on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:09:14 PM PST

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      •  hmmmm Does John Edgar Hoover know about this?? (none)
        Maybe we haven't come so far since the days of "Johnnie and Clyde".  (as an insider in the 50s might have sarcasticly referred to J Edgar and his longtime companion Clyde Tolsen)

        There is definitely a weird gay thing running through this whole wing of the Republican party...You have Mehlman, Gurlie and the other chap - the finance officer - all at the RNC...and others, many others.

        Maybe Gannon is an ex of Matt Drudge's?

        (And someone please tell me, just what was going on between Nixon and Bebe Rebozo?)

        Anyway, the fact they indulge in the worst gay-baiting really makes it striking.  

        (Anyone remember the whole McCarthy/Cohn/Shine fiasco??  Did we even mention David Ferrie?)

        I think the gay angle is far from inconsequential...something tells me that that might even be the gateway into whatever nexus of relationships got Guckert where he is today.

        Maybe he really is an ex of Matt Drudge's?

  •  It really is too funny... (none)
    I just hope it enters the mainstream... I get all cozy in my little blog-dom and forget that most people don't see this stuff... I want that guy brought down, and quite publicly... :)
  •  Wonder How Long Rove will Let Him Have that Press (none)
    Rove moves quick.
    I say yanked tomorrow.
  •  Betty Bowers (4.00)
    Always hilarious, and in light of this story, here's one of my favorite Betty Bowers things:

    Is Fabulous President George W. Bush a Fabulous Homosexual?

    Every revolution carries with it the seeds of its own destruction.

    by Page van der Linden on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:05:33 PM PST

  •  boy, you guys are so closed-minded (4.00)
    what's wrong with taking a long walk on the beach with a young serviceman, showering together, drying each other off & then giving backrubs? everyone likes backrubs, don't they? maybe he gets his scoops this way. deep backrub background.

    i'm an agnostic, i'd be an atheist if it weren't for mozart

    by rasbobbo on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:05:59 PM PST

  •  Gannon/Guckert and smut (none)
    Be very, very careful here....Bush went running around hugging everybody's head after his SOTU the other night--and we don't know exactly how/why Gannon gets his press pass, or what his relationship to McClellan is--remember the right wing prediliction for yammering on about forgiving the sinner, etc.--if that porn was posted a while ago, he may have found Jesus by now.
  •  So what? (3.83)
    you caught him in a lie, and now what?  The public is not going to change their minds about the GOP because this guy is a paid hack.  The right will just spin this and this guy will be replaced with someone else.  

    We need to build an infrastructure to counter the ideas and actions of the right, pointing out things like this are weak litttle victories in a huge battle, and they do nothing to move our agenda forward.

    absolute freedom for one individual undoubtedly limit's the freedom of another.

    by jbou on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:06:40 PM PST

    •  true, but. . . (4.00)
      images, anecdotes and personalities shape or corrode the brand.  That's how you build brands.  This is not magic bullet, but it sure can't hurt, if it can be framed and packaged right.  

      I only wonder if we have the balls to do it.  It's pretty sleazy.  But then, so was impeachment.

      We are not a "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

      by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:10:41 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  They may not over that... (none)
      but they may raise a ruckass when they find out the media has been replaced with these people and the government IS the media and it's getting paid with faith based initiative, tax-payer dollars....

      that may piss them off a bit....

      "Off we go into the Wild New Yonder"

      by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:13:31 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  We shouldn't dismiss this either (none)
      Gannon/Guckert's access to the WH briefing room gives his employer, Talon News, a legitimacy they don't deserve.  

      The more people we get to notice how this guy is shilling for the President the better the chances are that he will lose his WH briefing room privledges.

      If we have to drag him through the mud to do that then I say 'so be it.'

      After the swift boat pricks episode nothing is out of bounds.

      You want the truth! You can't handle the truth! No truth handler you! Bah! I deride your truth handling abilities! -Sideshow Bob

      by Blue Neponset on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:18:13 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Fuck that. (4.00)
        I say we drag him through the mud even if he doesn't lose his priveleges.  The guy is absolute scum who wouldn't hesitate to destroy anyone who gets in his way.   We need to destroy him first.

        Who would Jesus bomb?

        by mraker on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:32:48 PM PST

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    •  I agree (none)
      Obviously this guy's a plant intended to divert tough questions away from the preznit.  that's clear.

      but I don't get how any scandal on this guy could tarnish bush/rove/gop.  may be a fun story, but he's just some schmuck they'll disown before daylight tomorrow.  not many people know much about who has wh press passes.

      he could get the medal of freedom, and most wouldn't care.

      did I miss something?  Is there some other link to the white house?

      •  Oh, yeah, you missed something, all right (4.00)
        This guy is subpoenaed in the Plame leak. He had inside classified information. He's been operating from a huge GOP-funded website, under a false name, getting called on constantly by McClellan.

        He's a propaganda mouthpiece. These pictures are meaningless. The real story is: How did he get classified CIA info to spring on Joe Wilson in an interview?

        •  Goes hand in hand. (none)
          This guy was vetted about as thoroughly as Bernard Kerik.  Now that you've exposed his rather dubious sideline, and with no real press credentials, how in the hell did this guy get classified information?  The GOP is looking at one big can-o-worms.
        •  Yea! (none)
          Thanks Susan, I was starting to see a pattern of everyone going off the Gay issue pier when in fact, the story and investigation all week is as you say. Who is this guy, where did he come from, and why is he asking soft questions. AND, how is he involved in the Plame CIA leak. I suggest to all the new readers on this story to head on over to your diary group summary and see what the 'real' story is about. They have done some excellent investigating. And there is more to come!!!

          Spiderleaf has an long detailed time line going that might be of interest to some of you also.  

          Fix the Problems, Don't create new ones

          by BarnBabe on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:45:19 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  Hey Susan (none)
          has anyone looked into the organizations (I forget their names) that claim their members have gone straight after finding jesus or something like that?  Sorry for being so vague, but I thought there were organizations that claim they "fix" some people's homosexual orientation...
        •  Exactly so (none)
            Totally agree--the point is, what are the pictures diverting us from?  Think smoke and mirrors.
        •  We will NOT lose sight of the goal. n/t (none)

          Foremost, I'm a Mom. Secondarily, I'm a Geek - have been for almost 25 years.

          by kfred on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:55:48 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  I definitely missed that (none)
          this is a very late post (you know, work and all that), but you're right I definitely missed that.  with all the chatter about his websites I missed the bigger issue.  your diary today helped a lot.

          Tho it does make me wonder if the press will do the same.  IF they decide to even look at it (big ifs right in a row I know).  an impostor in their midst though...hard to believe they just wouldn't care.

          thanks for all your hard work!!!

    •  disagree (none)
      This man, Jeff Gannon or Guckert or whoever, made it a point to use his WH press pass status to denigrate Democrats through his biting questions. Removing him from and his right-wing machine, Talon News, from those briefings is a huge step and is also a sign for other such hacks to beware - they are being watched and action is being taken against them to expose them for who they are. They will no longer be allowed to shill for Bushco.

      Bloggers may not often use the shock and awe techniques of the right, but they're showing the right that their armour can indeed be penetrated by the left's heat seeking missiles (to use your military analogy).

      "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

      by catnip on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:49:20 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  and... (4.00)
      Don't forget: Watergate began with the investigation of a low-level break-in.

      "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

      by catnip on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:50:24 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  So what? (4.00)
      I agree.  So, another hypocritical republican, right?

      That will be the sentiment if we just pat ourselves on the back for this and move on.

      But our task now is to engage in a full-blown, coordinated campaign to expose the Bush administration for its propaganda.

      We have been given the perfect storm of circumstances:

      1. Armstrong Williams
      2. Maggie Gallagher
      3. Mike McManus
      4. Jeff Gannon

      It is our chance to connect the dots, to present the Big Picture to the American public.  There is no better time than now to put pressure on the WH to disclose the credentials of "reporters", to demand full accounting of every dime paid to a "journalist."

      This is not about Gannon; it's about an admistration that mocks the idea of a free press; it's about an administration that has deliberatly misinformed and deceived the American people.  It's about an administration that is fascist in its tactics, and unapologetic in its destruction of American society as we know it.

      This is our chance to put a serious dent in the credibility of this Administration.  But to do so requires a forceful, unrelenting, focused, and coordinated campaign.  

      We can do it.  We just can't lose sight of the Big Picture.

      If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

      by Georgia Logothetis on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:58:49 PM PST

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    •  MediaMatters (none)
      Does anyone know if they're still following this story?  They should certainly help frame it, if all of this info is accurate.
  •  I came here to congradulate (2.33)
    I came to congradulate those that did the research but then I see all these anti gay remarkes on here.

    what a shame. let's all sit around and make fun of homos now.

    "I will never accept an analysis that says a leader who stands for equality and fairness and who has the courage of his convictions is doing the wrong thing."

    by CrazyDem on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:09:13 PM PST

    •  lol (none)
      that's funny.

      to me, you seem extremely sensitive.
      i see people making fun of hipocracy...nothing more.

    •  Not anti-gay (3.66)
      Anti-hypocrite.

      BIG difference.

      •  As I posted on the (4.00)
        other smut thread: Anti-hypocrisy is not a political platform/position.

        In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

        by a gilas girl on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:23:28 PM PST

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        •  Isn't it though? (none)
          Not attacking gilas cuz I usually agree with most of your posts but how is being a bald-faced liar who denigrates others for the exact thing they are NOT a political position?  

          All I heard from the right during the campaign were personal attacks on Kerry, and a hypocritical impugning of his character and person at every opportunity.  Of the few repug acquaintances I have, their only real defense to facts I threw at them was to take personal potshots at Kerry for being a flip flopper or whatever.  Isn't flip-flopper the same thing as hypocrite, or at least along the same lines but worse?  Seemed to be a pretty good frame for the Thugs so if it works, then so be it.  I am certainly not of the opinion that you win elections by trying to be the "bigger man" and avoiding pointing out when the other side's words don't match their actions...

          That doesn't mean I think we should stoop to slandering a person or attacking people's families as the other side does but if you stand up in front of people and spit vitriole without any moral backing, and then turn right around and embody the very thing you decry, then you better watch your back because we are coming to kick some ASS!!!

          I just want to give some serious props to SusanG and everyone else who put so much work into this.  

          As for the gay aspect being brought up here...this is about him being a hypocrite, plain and simple, but unfortunately, our current american society still has so much subtle slander on being gay that some people might say things that sound bad when they really had no intention to convey those sorts of feelings.  I think most people on Kos are proud friends to our gay/lesbian brethren and mean NO harm in bringing to light a hypocrite whose words attack their very existence, and his own, ironically...

          "But we have to stay angry and keep objecting. It's like staying awake in the freezing cold. If we sleep, we're dead." - Mary Julia (dKos poster)

          by I Want My American Pride Back on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:05:39 PM PST

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        •  I respectfully disagree.... (none)
          When hypocrisy is the air and fuel which powers the Repugnican noise machine, anti-hypocrisy is not onoy a useful strategy, it's the ultimate position, to-wit:

          The other guy is a hypocrite, I'm not.

          For example:  "Senator Santorum supports budget cuts that will cripple the Penn Hills School District.  He desn't have kids in the Penn Hills schools, and in fact, he doesn't even live in Penn Hills.  He's a hypocrite."

          And along those lines....

          If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention!

          by roxtar on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 02:59:07 AM PST

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    •  seriously. . . (none)
      what antigay remarks?

      Not picking a fight, just. . . I've missed what you're seeing.  I'll look some more, 'cuz my radar are pretty well honed. . . given who I am.

      We are not a "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

      by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:12:27 PM PST

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    •  NO no no (3.50)
      I don't think anyone is making fun of homosexuals -- rather making fun of Republican hypocrisy.  THEY are the ones who rant against gays then hide their own orientation.
    •  disappointing, I agree (3.60)
      though it's not really gay-bashing but ridicule of the GOPer Hypocrisy For Dummies.

      The group has done great work & will again, as SusanG remarked, once the fuss over the photos wears itself out.

      I wonder, however, if the gay stuff is the reason he took the "gannon" pseudonym. Or whether there's lots of other stuff lurking in the shadows.  Or, whether it's simply that being the proprietor of 'court reporter & secretarial services' just isn't the ticket to the WH.  Do you think it could be that simple?

      "God help the political system in which a thoroughly addled sovereign is faced with a real crisis." Anatole Lieven, Carnegie Endowment for Peace

      by Tulip on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:23:28 PM PST

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      •  maybe he changed his name when he (none)
        found Jesus, or when he found funding. . .

        Why do I think those two events are not unrelated?

        I can see it now:

        Late morning, two men in bed, slowly awakening:

        "You still here?"

        <Yawn>  "Yeah.  Got anything for breakfast?"

        "No, but why don't you come to church with me?"

        We are not a "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

        by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:43:34 PM PST

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    •  That's so *NOT* what's going on here... (3.33)
      Man, you seem to be way off the mark with a lot of  stuff today...

      It's called making light of the situation, and making the GOP eat their own garbage...
      calm down...

      I'm a homo-ette, and not at all offended...

      •  queezy (none)
        when they express queezieness about men touching each other - that seems a little..scary to me -- and a bit childish.

        Who cares if bush is hugging a man, gay man, black woman what ever. everytime codi or a gay person is mentioned - out come crazy bizziar remarks.

        I think it's funny he's gay too. I enjoy the hypocracy. I almost didn't comment but I will never let a time pass on this site when sexism or anti gay remarks are left un-noted.

         

        "I will never accept an analysis that says a leader who stands for equality and fairness and who has the courage of his convictions is doing the wrong thing."

        by CrazyDem on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:39:38 PM PST

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        •  I understand... (3.50)
          but I think you're being a little over sensitive...

          nonetheless, lets all try to ensure that the focus remains not on gay but on hypocrisy as I believe has been stated upthread...

        •  Remember (none)
          when Bush appointed Condi Rice, the female Secretary of Agriculture, and another female appointee.  There was a big deal made of Bush kissing these women and how he kissed them, etc. etc. on here.  Basically,with any kind of actions that republicans, Bush, and his ilk make that can be twisted into hypocrisy , a scandal, or somekind of embarrassment is taken to extreme.  That's because we are all really thirsty for them to go down in flames.  It is not necessarily posters feelings about things as much as anticipation about what could happen if the public comes to the realization of how hypocritical they are.  Thus the wish that the RNC guy and this guy could be found out to be lovers.  Anything to do with a sex scandal of any kind(including male/female relationships) and we  get all excited and goofey.  It's American puritanism embedded in all of us that is coming out.
        •  Because it's Bush (none)
          The queasiness is because it's Bush! He's so creepy. There were all kinds of similar jokes on this blog not too long ago after Bush kissed Condi on TV. Those mentioned the creepiness in how he did that as well.
  •  What's sad is ... (4.00)
    it'll enter the mainstream on the sex pics/hypocrisy angle and not because the guy is an obvious propaganda plant who had access to classified material.

    There is much, much more to this than the picture stuff.

    But hey, if that's what it takes to get this country's attention, so be it.

    •  asdf (none)
      i realize it isn't a noble view but maybe we need to practice the politics of personal destruction.  on a tactical level it might buy us small victories until we can put in place a strategy for the long term.  

      obviously the republicans have made an art of destroying people's lives....perhaps a little payback isn't so bad if it buys us some time.

      i'm still not sure about it but I don't think unilaterally refusing to play dirty works.

      i agree with your concern though.

      •  Be careful (none)
        "A second seminal premise embraced by the administration was that the global war on terrorism represents "a new paradigm," and that this new sort of war required new sorts of tools. In an interview on Sept. 16, 2001, Vice President Dick Cheney reworked the means-and-ends equation, asserting that the United States was going to have to work "sort of the dark side" and that "it's going to be vital for us to use any means at our disposal, basically, to achieve our objective." Alberto R. Gonzales, the White House counsel at the time, was more specific; he argued that the "new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning of enemy prisoners."

        From: Following a Paper Trail to the Roots of Torture
        By MICHIKO KAKUTANI

        Published: February 8, 2005
        http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/08/books/08kaku.html

        "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

        by muledriver on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:41:02 PM PST

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    •  Many thanks (none)
      to you Susan G, and all the others who have worked relentlessly on this for days and days now.  It has revived my spirit to watch and be a minimal part of unfolding some truths in this dynasty of lies, and doing it as a team of citizens!

      "The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them." Einstein

      by Oke on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:27:29 PM PST

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    •  yeah.... (none)
      I really think this was a waste of a great story... and i'm actually feeling kinda disillusioned about continuing with all the digging when all it takes is a supposed soft porn pic to make it big...

      oh well... they'll just replace gannon, who's obviously expendable now, with someone else and all will have been for naught.

      blah.

      Jaded Reality... I've had enough spin for today thanks...

      by spiderleaf on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:33:52 PM PST

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      •  It's NOT for naught (4.00)
        This has been a true learning experience for this group on how to take a thousand kos-monkeys out into the internets and do the kind of research we will need over the next four years.  Just getting this many people pointed in the same direction is an incredible accomplishment for SusanG, as well as all the rest of the folks who took the lead on collating the research into a usable format. Just learning how to fact-check, without stomping off into the ether, is an achievement in itself.
        •  well that is nice of you to say (4.00)
          But seeing this thread be all about gay soft porn when I and many others have spent over 10 days and (for me at least over 70 hours) tracking down leads and putting together timelines about the leaking of classified information is disappointing to say the least.

          And if anything gets picked up, it will be this... not that he was a plant used to help the GOP cause and help out an undercover operative.

          I may just be tired and need to take a step back, but I don't see this as a good thing.

          Jaded Reality... I've had enough spin for today thanks...

          by spiderleaf on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:50:46 PM PST

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          •  great job (none)
            The time you guys spent doing this is really amazing. great work. I hope the press bothers to pay attention.

            I agree - I wish this post wasn't going down hill.

            "I will never accept an analysis that says a leader who stands for equality and fairness and who has the courage of his convictions is doing the wrong thing."

            by CrazyDem on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:25:34 PM PST

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          •  It's been demanding to focus on this (4.00)
            Just figuring out what questions have been asked, answered, then asked again is challenging enough. Then we've got a virtual forest of information, coming from energetic, well-meaning researchers of widely varying abilities. That's where your work and that of NYBri, MLK and a slew of others has made it possible to start to see the outline of the beast that's been overwhelming us.

            Not to get too metaphorical here, but it's critical to remember that the conservative beast has a lot of different heads to chop off- Gannon being featured on only one of them.  We will be taking the lessons we've learned from this exercise, trying it all over again on other targets, then refining our approach in order to better hunt the ever-changing heads of the beast.

            Like any battle, they're certainly going to try to minimize the loss, but try to keep this in mind. Last week and the week before and for the last 18 months, Scotty and Bush both needed to call on this guy to take a breather while standing in the public eye. Who's going to do that for them next week? This is a smack in the eye for them. The next Talon News will probably be all ready for launch in a little while. It will be under a different kind of cover that may be harder to ID, but we're definitely getting better at this beast-hunting stuff.

            Well, all of this starting to sound positively apocalyptic, but hopefully you take my meaning. So much of this project has been beyond my abilities, technology wise, that coming up with "deep thoughts" may be all I've got to offer.

          •  We'll get there (none)
            This is just a distraction. The Plame link is still the most important thing, and when all the work we've done on that comes to fruition, that will have its day in the limelight as well. A sex scandal wouldn't have buried Watergate. But I think SusanG is wise to wait a little while before posting her next diary.
          •  This might not be the way (none)
            all of us conceived the story coming to light, but hey, do you realize that this whole Koz diary is a result of all of the groups hard work?

            Without your time line and all of the SusanG team, this guy's other name and sideline would have never been of interest or even exposed. It started out as one diary and became a successful investigation. There are many more questions to be answered in this story. This is not where we quit, this is just a speed bump.

            And all of the effort is just the first dip of the toe into the water. All of the effort shows just what 'we' can do in just over a week. Better than the justice department. There are many many investigations yet to do. Let's finish with this one first and then start work on the next person of interest.

            OK, you can take a nap now and get refreshed. But we need you. And appreciate your work.  

            Fix the Problems, Don't create new ones

            by BarnBabe on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:19:15 PM PST

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          •  Not if we keep on it (none)
            Remember our goal is not really Gannon but the man beihnd the curtain.  Even if the press picks this up it will not stop others here from continuing their work.  A distraction for some but it might actually be helpful if they think we're going to let it go once Gannon gets pushed out into the open for his fake name and softball reporting.  There is still a lot to discover here so a sidetrack once in a while will do no harm.  Relax tonight and start fresh after SusanG posts the next diary.  You are all doing tremendous work.  I wish I had the skills to help with the research but I have been following and if I see something that someone might not have connected then I will give some input.  Don't be disheartened--you have done a tremendous amount of work and it will be worth it!

            "Do Iraqi children scream when the bombs fall if no one is in the White House to hear them?" Bernard Chazelle

            by dmac on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:44:37 PM PST

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    •  Remember what happened to the Swiftboat fiasco (none)
      The reason behind the story was lost. It didn't matter anymore that Bush skipped out of his duty. It didn't matter that the content of the documents was valid.  It could happen here.

      We want the facts to fit the preconceptions. When they don't, it is easier to ignore the facts than to change the preconceptions. Jessamyn West

      by slackjawedlackey on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:41:46 PM PST

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    •  Symbols (none)
      We will win this war with symbols, not with reason.

      After The Rapture, we get all of their stuff.

      by bink on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:54:10 PM PST

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    •  susan (4.00)
      that is all the more reason to release your diary now!

      let them both have front page play so that people aren't inundated with the gay angle.

    •  Mojo (none)
      Damn, I get the feeling Susans got more Mojo than she kows what to do with after this story...lol
  •  what happened to the girlfriend/wife? (none)
    I did a search thru SusanG's diaries as best I could, but failed to get a hit. But I'm not very good at selecting search terms, and may just be misremembering, but weren't there excerpts from his column or blog referring to a gf/wife?

    _'it should take no longer to vote for President than it does to check out of Toys R Us on Christmas Eve'_ - that's my meme and I'm stickin' to it.

    by NMRed on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:11:27 PM PST

    •  yeah (none)
      I seem to remember something about having kids, that's why I asked Susan up thread if their was any connection to any of those organizations that claim they "reform" gay people through christ or some such thing.
      •  Kids (none)
        I mentioned something about him having kids.  I dont know if he really does or not.  My comment came from this written on www.jeffgannon.com

        Email:  "You are a sorry excuse for a journalist, I hope your children get drafted.

        Jeff:    There is no draft and my children would proudly volunteer to serve their country. "

  •  No One Here has a Prob with Gays (3.00)
    Its the hypocrisy.  And the Irony of this guy being such a religeous faker wingnut.

    It needs to be outted like anything else.

    •  errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm... (4.00)
      there actually ARE some people who have a problem (or in a couple of cases, problems) with gays, I've read them, so the "nobody here" in your statement is technically inaccurate, though I'm pretty sure I understand the sentiment.

      Homophobic stupidity is not absent from dKos, as much as we might want to wish it were.

      In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

      by a gilas girl on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:36:19 PM PST

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      •  The theme underlying my improvisation (none)
        in yesterday's diary you asked what we've been weaving in and banging our heads with when posting.  You just hit mine.

        Yes, I'm a proud Massachusetts Liberal, and fuck you for saying that's a bad thing.

        by MAJeff on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 06:10:01 PM PST

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  •  Borrowing from another Kosack (none)
    "CNN This Morning"

    "We have a breaking news, in a huge pileup on the road to the Capitol, Irony and Satire, those two beloved characters of Human Society were found dead...More as the story develops."

    R.I.P. Satire...

    R.I.P. Irony...

    We will miss you....

    Note to GWB, numbers don't lie, unless you lie about the numbers.

    by Ralfast on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:15:48 PM PST

    •  More news... (none)
      "'hypocracy is alive and well, been tended by the best doctors at Walter Reed.' Commented a spokesperson for the W.H. In a brief statement President Bush did not mention the death of Saitre and Irony but did say that 'he was glad that democra...I mean hypocracy is doing well and I hope he recovers shortly. We miss him around here....'"

      Note to GWB, numbers don't lie, unless you lie about the numbers.

      by Ralfast on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:22:44 PM PST

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  •  I'm assuming this is a different person but (none)
    Jim Guckert, Freda's former co-head, will now take sole responsibility for US portfolio trading. Guckert joined Merrill in February from Goldman Sachs. Prior to Goldman, he held senior positions in portfolio trading at UBS and Citigroup.

    Guckert will maintain his focus on technology, capital commitment, and integrating portfolio trading with the bank's US equity franchise. He will report to Stewart and Michael Lynch, head of Americas equity cash trading.

    This was found in an article from efinancialnews via lexis nexis

  •  It' not the gayness (3.71)
    I don't mind if he's gay, but aren't most "escort agencies" merely a nice way of saying prostitution, which is illegal in most of the U.S.?  
    •  ask your congressman. . . (none)
      Lawd knows, we got us some escort agencies here in DC.

      We are not a "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

      by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:20:42 PM PST

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    •  I Would Guess (4.00)
      I would guess, yes.

      My guess:

      He used to sell it.  Got old.  Found one of his previous clients, a connected Republican, started doing this kind of work for him.

      Beyond that, good grief.

      After The Rapture, we get all of their stuff.

      by bink on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:22:23 PM PST

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  •  Slash and burn (none)
    Until very recently I'd have faulted you for digging in the mud.

    No more.

    The GOP has brought the entire country down to this mud pit.  We need to fight back with their own medicine in order to take our country back from the neocon death cult fundamentalists.

    Slash and burn.... Slash and burn...

    From hence forth, everything the GOP so much as touches needs to turn into poison.

    Give no quarter Kos.

  •  Reframe: Tin Foil Hat : Thinking Cap! (4.00)
    Open Source Journalism rules!
    Now, let's tear down the curtain... flush out the bs, hypocrisy and spin... and reclaim our party!  
  •  and on the other side of the looking glass we have (4.00)
    beefed up funding for abstinence-only sex education whose success is limited to getting teens to abstain from abstaining;

    unctuous, snivelling ideologues who'll gladly take funds from media giants getting fat of of the purveying of porn;

    and now this gannon folderol.

    of course, the ascribing of sexuality to cartoon sponges and bunnies serves as a nifty twisted backdrop for all of this ridiculousness to then transpire.

    good gravy.  are the repubs in simple, dire need of getting laid or what?

    not that i'm offering my services.  gannon's got that whole g. gordon liddy thing going on, which does nothing for me besides creeping me out and causing shrinkage.

  •  Ah, Papa Kos (none)
    "In a sign of how I've lost complete control over this site, I note, with great irony, that I found out about the domain thing from Atrios.)

    Are you

    1.  Sad?
    2.  Freaked?
    3.  Proud?
    4.  Moving to the South Pacific?
    5.  Franchising?
    6.  All of the above?

    Fondly,
    Hoolia
    •  More importantly- (4.00)
      Have you checked the kossack liquor cabinet? After wading through some truly nasty repug sites over the last week, all of SusanG's pirates could probably use a little (hic) libation.

      CRITICAL REMINDER to those of you who are just walking into this discussion
      There are some nasty viruses on some of the sites linked in the previous threads on this subject. If you aren't confident that your firewalls are up and your settings are on highest security, don't start surfing through the wingnut sites.  

  •  Caption Contest (none)
    can be found here.
  •  LOL The WingNuts Showed up To TROLL (none)
    haha

    you guys got owned on Gannon.  Didnt do your hw and now you are bitter.

    Victory Kos!

  •  Any follow up (none)
    on the research Kossacks did on the Arab-American woman at the SOTU?
  •  All I can say is... (4.00)
    As said above and by many others.

    We need to fact check this very thoroughly before it gets out of the Blogsphere or we will rue the day.

    Rumor mongering is fun but blowback is a bitch.

    P.S.  That is not an anti-gay pun.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:32:11 PM PST

  •  Media control (none)
    ... and Bush propaganda bothers me as much as the next guy/gal who believes in basic human rights. But I just don't see the proof here that Jeff Gannon of press corps fame is the guy in the salacious photo.

    Am I missing something?

    •  Yes ... here's the connection (4.00)
      For a week now, we've been running research on the domain registrations, foundations/corporations behind them, phone numbers and addresses.

      The all came back to one address, listed as J. Daniels, Bedrock Corporation. Six of the domain registrations were changed two days after we started looking. Web site pages began getting scrubbed clean.

      Then last night, when Atrios posted the "real" name, we ran that name ... and it came up the same as the Bedrock Corp. address. Same phone number, everything.

      See, two completely different lines of research -- one on registration, one later on a name -- led to the same thing.

      Then we ran him down to these pictures last night on the diary I opened. NYBri continued that this morning.

  •  Did you Guys see this??!!???? (4.00)
    Kerry Could Become First Gay President
    By Jeff Gannon

    WASHINGTON (Talon News) -- Inasmuch as Bill Clinton is considered by some members of the African-American community to be "the first black president" because of their perception of his positions with regard to minority issues, Democratic Sen. John Kerry might someday be known as "the first gay president" were he to win the White House in November.

    The Massachusetts liberal has enjoyed a 100% rating from the homosexual advocacy group, the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), since 1995 in recognition of his support for the pro-gay agenda.

    http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/october/1012_kerry_gay_president.shtml

  •  HOT HOT HOT (none)
    J.D. Guckert's AOL homepage.

    Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us

    Image Hosted by ImageShack.us

    linked  from World O'Crap comment board

    •  Even the wristwatch band looks the same... (none)
      Those pictures look real similar.

      But photoshop can do wonders.

      We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

      by delver rootnose on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:56:29 PM PST

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      •  If I remember correctly, (none)
        you can check to see if an image has been photoshopped by opening it up with a text editor.  If it's been altered in Adobe Photoshop, you get something that says "Adobe" in the file, or something out of the ordinary besides all of the random looking characters.  I'm not sure exactly how it works, but I've just checked on the image in question, and didn't see anything like that.

        "Whoever controls the media, the images, controls the culture." - Allen Ginsberg

        by chi mai on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:20:26 PM PST

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        •  Although (none)
          I should state that if an image is cropped or resized, I'm pretty sure that it will appear when you open the image in the text editor.  But I remember hearing that this method was a way to see if an image has been edited before.

          "Whoever controls the media, the images, controls the culture." - Allen Ginsberg

          by chi mai on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:26:39 PM PST

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          •  P.S. (4.00)
            The bottom image seems to have been edited, but probably only for resizing or cropping.  OK I'm done replying to my own comments now.

            "Whoever controls the media, the images, controls the culture." - Allen Ginsberg

            by chi mai on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:30:29 PM PST

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          •  Interesting (none)
            I've never heard of this, but it makes sense.

            To get around that you could edit the image and then print it and scan it.  Or you could just take a screen shot of the edited image.

            •  Just tried (none)
              taking a screenshot and then exporting it from a PDF to a JPG.  It still comes up with markings in the text editor.  I'm using a mac, although I can't imagine it being much different from a windows method.  I don't have a scanner, so I don't know anything regarding that.  Shouldn't matter much though, someone would really have to know what they were doing to hide something like that.  Then again, if you REALLY want to check if an image has been edited, zoom in on it like crazy and see if there's a difference in the pixels around the suspected area.  If it has been manipulated from the original, chances are it's going to show.

              "Whoever controls the media, the images, controls the culture." - Allen Ginsberg

              by chi mai on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 12:31:50 AM PST

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    •  More pictures to compare (not work safe!) (none)
      http://www.boundandgagged.com/BG2001/BGfree/Gallery/Gal21/Gal16.html
    •  This image should be sent to CNN (none)

      To thine own self be true - W.S.

      by Agathena on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 08:14:22 PM PST

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  •  Just my $0.02 (4.00)
    First of, I'm not saying that anyone is being homophobic, per se . . . but:

    It's gay PORN, not gay smut.  Smut is a word used by those who would hide human sexuality behind puritanical hipocracy.  Let's not play into their hands.  Remember, it's all about framing.

    Speculating that he and Mehlman might be dating (or tricking) is un-necessary.  You can attack his hipocracy w/o inadvertantly asserting that there's anything wrong with havng a boyfriend or "tricking."

    •  I have no problem with tricking. . . (none)
      Was pretty accomplished in my single days, if I do say so myself.

      My comment was descriptive, not perjorative.

      We are not a "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

      by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:49:15 PM PST

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    •  Porn or smut? (none)
      It's gay PORN, not gay smut. Smut is a word used by those who would hide human sexuality behind puritanical hipocracy.

      OK, I'm confused. I thought we talking about the GOP.

      No, really. I see your point, but to the bluenoses, it is smut.

    •  4 (4.00)
      For the framing comment, which is even funnier if it's serious.

      It's not smut, it's porn!  Framing, people!  Framing!

      Also, it's not anal sex, it's super happy fun love, which tests far better among Midwestern homemakers.

      •  speaking of teh butt sex (3.33)
        do a search for his aol name, and last link on google is an anal sex site, url ending in "jdg17.html".  

        I'm not clicking! I'm not clicking!  I'll pass on investigating that, thanks.

        If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

        by Georgia Logothetis on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:40:41 PM PST

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  •  Bush and Gannon (none)
    on the down-low!!!!

    America only does 4 things well anymore: music, movies, software and high-speed pizza delivery -- from the book Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson

    by bonddad on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 03:40:00 PM PST

  •  Exactly My Thought a Rovian Houdini List (4.00)
    Things were getting too hot for "Jeff Gannon". This name and person is a goner for WH ploy. Only what they can do is cover up tracks.

    We have experienced blocks of older conservative websites by search archive.org WayBack Machine, through porno pages placed on older dates.

    Is this another list, a CBS "set-up" to discredit the blog community. Every hound is chasing the bait in a pre-determined strategy. Everyone is looking in that single direction, while the real Jeff Gannon and websites are being scrubbed.

    For sure the communities were getting too close. However there were other leads and directions. So retrace your own steps of past 48 hours and confirm all clues. Thorough checking of what exists behind the pic and webpage - the dates must be verified. Most important find out what pages are being edited!

    Anything within the last two weeks is SUSPECT. Scrutinize and thread carefully. IMHO it smells.

    A false lead cost us crucial time! Laughs is not realistic unless we confirm 100% and some! Remember Dan Rather and his crew.

    A fugitive on the run within view is really not very interesting. He did not accomplish anything by himself. Look into the WH contacts!

    In 2005 - Be liberal: Support our Allies of Democracy on Human Rights, the Environment, Gay and Minority Rights & EU and UN Third World Development Programs & Our Friends

    •  Look-a-likes | twins | cousins (none)
      • If there is complicity with any WH official, they will go all out to clean up mess.
      • Not only dKos community can photo shop pics
      • There are look-a-likes, doubles, twins, close family ties, cousins. In some pics I do not see consistency in age
      • Be alert for all possibilities
      • Other leads should be followed up
      • Continue effort, perhaps on another diary

      In 2005 - Be liberal: Support our Allies of Democracy on Human Rights, the Environment, Gay and Minority Rights & EU and UN Third World Development Programs & Our Friends
      •  I'm as paranoid as the next guy (4.00)
        well, not quite, but I appreciate the importance of not getting ahead of the verifiable data.

        FWIW, and I'm not an expert, but I do use photoshop, and the pic looks legit to me.  If it's a fake, it's so good as to be almost flawless.  The lighting and continuity are seamless from the face to the body to the background.

        We are not a "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

        by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:08:15 PM PST

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      •  I agree in substance (none)
        with both your posts, but it comes to mind that using a younger photo of oneself in that context is not that unusual.  Chi mai had a suggestion upthread for checking for editing.  If it's unedited, and the page is five years old, it's feasible he used an even earlier photo.  So, if he's around 47 and the page went up when he was 42, he could have used a photo of himself in his early to mid 30s.  I would guess he shaves his head to hide baldness or receding hair now.  Seems to have had more hair then.

        Besides, remember those sight gags of a frumpy woman in curlers and a housedress answering sex line phonecalls?  I mean, just because he's advertised, doesn't mean he's the product.

        Is the aol page still up?  

        •  Not just sight gags (none)
          One year at Lollapalooza, I saw a short called "Telewhore," and it was about this phone sex operator. She had short hair, so no curlers, but she looked like a plump bank teller.

          In one scene, she plays gin rummy with a friend while describing her long blonde hair and black lace teddy. In another, she's got her little kitten batting at the phone cord while she's moaning, "Playwithmypussy, playwithmypussy!"

          It was pretty funny.

      •  This is not Rathergate II. (none)
        This is unfalsifiable.  Gannon can deny he's gay, but he can't prove he's not.  Unlike the memos which could be proven inauthentic.

        --- Reality-based since 1965

        by grytpype on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:36:44 PM PST

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      •  If pictures need to be analysed (none)
        What about that NASA guy who did the "Bulgegate" pictures. Bet he'd do it. Just a thought.

        I may be thinking about taking the Bus, but I'm not taking the Omnibus, no sir, thanks, I'll walk.

        by emmasnacker on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:05:31 PM PST

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    •  Thank You: Needed Saying n/t (none)

      The problem of power is how to achieve its responsible use rather than its irresponsible and indulgent use JFK

      by Responsible on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:00:28 PM PST

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    •  Agree to a certain extent (4.00)
      But there are some points that need to be remembered.

      1. We are not Dan Rather. We may think we have his importance, but we do not. So while we need to research, verify, cross-check and double-cross-check, discrediting a bunch of people who can be written off as crazy lefty bloggers seems not worth quite as much effort as we're crediting them for. But I may be wrong.

      2. All the comments in the diaries are research and speculation; if that's not clear, somebody's got a problem. What I write in the text of the diary has been examined, checked and double-checked (as in the diary about the domain names). I presented the facts. There is not a fact there that cannot be verified from an outside source.

      3. If we spend the rest of our investigative lives thinking that if we run across a great fact, it's got to be planted, we might as well stop the process right now.

      4. When we do run across something suspiciously wonderful (as this is), we find the specific expert help in the community here to do some checking on it (as I am right now, via email).

      5. We need to be willing to risk getting egg on our faces. Sure, we'll make mistakes. We'll run corrections. With this many facts, and so many avenues of research being done (I think there are 20 separate teams now), we're bound to get something wrong.

      So while we need to be cautious about the final product, I think it's fair game to be speculating about what research we find together. This is a new process, and we're making the rules up as we go along. I'm sure there are parts of the process that leave us open to criticism, and from that we will learn and move on. Many of us are now committed to seeing this community investigative process grow and become more effective, taking on completely different issues beyond just this one.

      We're starting to realize that processwise, we're in it for the long haul. NYBri was the first to really point out the uniqueness of what we're doing, and he's working on getting a team together for that long haul we hope to have.

      •  To this point... (none)
        In the body of all the diaries, perhaps we should include the disclaimer that only information in the diary itself can be considered checked and part of our "reporting" and all the posts of the diary should be considered research and speculation.  In other words, posts=process, diaries=product.

        thoughts?

        "Off we go into the Wild New Yonder"

        by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 06:59:31 PM PST

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        •  Agreed.. (none)
          think it's a simple precaution.
        •  Reporter "Jeff Gannon" still writes (none)
          Where can I find an update on the other aliases that he has used, and still is using.

          Should state the period in time of his presence. I have some suggestions, but I don't know if this has been done already. The trails I have followed, I believe the pseudonym is used by more than one person, handed over to another writer.

          There are some links to AZ | TX as to origin in discussions on the blogsites. Sometimes "jeff gannon" is engaged in a Q and A session with himself under two different aliases. Has this been noticed? FR is certainly the origin of most names.

          In 2005 - Be liberal: Support our Allies of Democracy on Human Rights, the Environment, Gay and Minority Rights & EU and UN Third World Development Programs & Our Friends

  •  I have added info to the family photo in my diary (none)
    I am looking for additional clues but have been hesitant to publish info too early. My hunch is that the family is Catholic Italian, some specific remarks I read from posts or articles by Jeff Gannon. Recent visit in Rome of Condi Rice, Jeff reported some detailed info. I had that hunch earlier.

    The Great Generation  of WWII

    I have as yet no links between families, but the PROBUSH.COM guys should be scrutinized. All groups we have covered are small in size with a lot of dedicated volunteers of a religious fanaticism. In addition to the regular facilitators in the RNC and major organisations and corporations. There are a lot of BIG fish out there. Jeff is just minor, however comfortible it is to expose him for what he is.

    The coverage in South Dakota by Talon News and GOPUSA is disproportionate. IMHO due to a closer tie than the funding for support in the court case.

    In 2005 - Be liberal: Support our Allies of Democracy on Human Rights, the Environment, Gay and Minority Rights & EU and UN Third World Development Programs & Our Friends

    •  Hail Ripley posted about SD... (none)
      ...in today's other Gannon/Guckert thread:

      But maybe just typical winger spin.  From southdakotapolitcs.blogs.com:

      December 01, 2004
      Thune to appear on "Jeff Gannon's Washington"
      Jeff Gannon, resident DC expert on South Dakota politics, will have Senator-elect Thune on his radio show as a guest Thursday, December 2, at 3:45PM Eastern time.  Thune will talk about his historic win over Tom Daschle and what he hopes to accomplish for South Dakota and America.  You can listen to an internet stream of the show by clicking HERE.

      Expert on SD politics?  Am I missing some background or is there anything to this beyond hype?  Looks like a freeper site and has a link to Gannon's crapsite but still...

      Arrogant lips are unsuited to a fool-- how much worse lying lips to a ruler - Proverbs 17:7

      by Barbara Morrill on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 07:17:15 PM PST

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  •  Penn State connection: Gannon & Guckert (none)
    Don't know if anyone's noticed this yet, but Jim Guckert's aol site has a link to a frat at West Chester University, which is part of the State University of PA system(www.wcupa.edu/_INFORMATION/FACTS.WCU/mission.htm).

    According to Jeff Gannon's bio, he went to a Penn State school.

  •  hmmmmm (none)
    ok weirdness.  I went to PSU and I grew up near West Chester Uni.

    Guy loox about my age but I don't know him.

  •  Remember: Every Second Rove Scurries.. (4.00)
    around fixing problems we cause him is one second less he has to screw us.

    dont feel guilty.  its war.

  •  Guckert is a WH reporter in DC (4.00)
    According to Guckert's frat's alumni news (May 2004):

    Guckert "is not in the CIA, NSA, or any other crazy super duper secret   government agency. He is a reporter, not sure for whom, but he has definitely  been in the White House briefing room on several occasions. I know this because  I am a dork and actually come home from work and watch White House press briefings on C-span. (Note to alumni, this report has not been confirmed)."

    http://www.tkema.com/Minutes.htm

  •  breaks my heart. (3.33)
    That guy in the AOL profile is HOT!  Why are all the cute gays so fucked up?

    At least now that his White House gig is up, he can go back to honest whoring.

  •  Let's leave the "gay smut" w/Wonkette (4.00)
    She's done all the distribution this meme needs; hopefully, it'll be just a flash in the DC pan.

    The only issue is if someone is using gay porn photos to blackmail Gannon.

    The far more important thing is that it looks like we got our guy (and by "we," I mean the people who worked their behind off, which would not include me)

    I am now telling the computer exactly what it can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate.

    by HeyThereItsEric on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:14:38 PM PST

  •  To Kos (4.00)
    (In a sign of how I've lost complete control over this site, I note, with great irony, that I found out about the domain thing from Atrios.)

    Ah, but it isn't Control we love you for; it's Liberty.  

    :^*

    "The key to security is public information." -- Margaret Chase Smith

    by Drawn4Quarters on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:18:42 PM PST

  •  kos: sp correction "diarists" n/t (none)

    "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

    by catnip on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:19:41 PM PST

  •  Breaking four-month-old news (none)
  •  Diary List (4.00)
    ricardo4 and I have been working on maintaining a Master Diary list.  Because it has become so popular and all the info is openly available anyway I put it up on a geocities site for anyone to reference.

    Master Diary List.

    It's not fancy (I just copied it from our Word copy) but it provide links to previous diaries.


    "I don't know the meaning of the word surrender! I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb...just not in this context." -- The Tick

    by Liberalpalooza on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:41:05 PM PST

  •  I said it before... (4.00)
    I'll say it again.

    SUBPOENA KARL ROVE'S (and Ken Mehlmann's) LAPTOP(s) NOW!

  •  someone ought to send this to dobson (none)
    and focus on the family. heh.

    I think we might have an ally !

    I am a Reform Democrat

    by Pounder on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 04:53:14 PM PST

  •  Where's Jeff Gannon? (none)
    Jeff Gannon hasn't posted a new story to his site jeffgannon.com in days. Has anyone seen or heard from him at the press gaggle? What does the right wing blogosphere and freerepublic got say about their boy?
  •  Jeff's body - who to believe ... (none)
    Although I discount the Jeff as gay man story coming out.

    There is a usmc07 on the web. Perhaps if you search for enough images you may find Jeff's body. Another transcendency of our Jeff?

    http://www.ratemybody.com/profile_290058_usmc07.html

    images.ratemybody.com/mainPics/u/us/usmc07.jpg

    I don't intend to spend any real time on this angle.

    In 2005 - Be liberal: Support our Allies of Democracy on Human Rights, the Environment, Gay and Minority Rights & EU and UN Third World Development Programs & Our Friends

  •  Speaking of softballs (none)
    "McClellan said Gannon has not been issued -- nor requested -- a regular "hard pass" to the White House..."

    Ohhhh, forget it.  It just wouldn't be fair.
     

    •  really? (none)
      can you post a link to that to NYBri's diary on the reco list... because he did indeed request one... back in apr '03 and was turned down by the DC press club (or whatever they're called... it's in one of the diaries)

      thanks!

      Jaded Reality... I've had enough spin for today thanks...

      by spiderleaf on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:51:41 PM PST

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      •  i think, spiderleaf, (none)
        that he was turned down by for a congressional press pass...because the standards are higher...like they actually are reporters, or something like that.  

        Seems the White House doesn't give a rat's ass...

        "Off we go into the Wild New Yonder"

        by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 06:39:02 PM PST

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  •  Reagan inspired the first great wave of punk rock (none)
    I hope BushCo inspires another.  

    These guys are Fuh King High-larious!

  •  Is the RNC Chair Next?? (3.33)
    Anyone else find it just a tad bit hypocritical that the head of the anti gay marriage pro "family values" party is a closeted gay man? The wingnuts would go crazy if this dirty little secret ever got out of the closet.
  •  OT (none)
    Keith Olbermann just expressed extreme skepticism that W didn't know about roid use on the Rangers (assuming Canseco is telling the truth).

    What kind of softballs -- :) -- can Scottie hope for from JG on THIS topic?

  •  Kos frontpaged this - FINALLY!!!!!! (none)
    I can't believe it took so long to get Gannongate up front. . . man was I getting PISSED OFF!

    We are not a "compassionate conservatives." We are "fighting liberals." And we'll kick your ass.

    by Pachacutec on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:39:24 PM PST

    •  personally... (none)
      I was glad to be off the front page.  It has been all about the work and that has been great.  I'm somewhat disappointed this has now become a seamy issue instead of a story about a threat to our democracy...but tomorrow will bring a new focus.

      "Off we go into the Wild New Yonder"

      by NYBri on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 06:35:52 PM PST

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  •  the gay escort thing (none)
    is interesting and provocative, but he has an easy out: now he's saved "by the blood of Jesus Christ".

    That line in his latest blog entry jumped out at me - it seemed incongruous and somehow defensive.  Now I know why.

    •  good! (none)
      Let him be saved!  Let him be an "ex-gay" ...  Take the heat off of where it doesn't belong (the gay stuff) and onto where GOPUSA gets its funds, and where "Jeff Gannon" gets his leaks.  He's part and parcel of some massive dirty tricks from 2004 and this needs to be exposed.
    •  excellent catch (none)
      will give him cover with dobson and falwell, and will also give them cover for being the partisan lawbreakers they are.
      •  it's the perfect cover (none)
        It never occurred to me before - but claiming born-again religiosity can be used to cover a multitude of sins.  Do whatever hideous crime you want - it can all be expunged by the blood of the Lamb.  Then if you're caught doing the same stuff later, you can say you backslid, Satan had his hooks into you and dragged you kicking and screaming into sin again, etc.

        It renders character, integrity and an honorable reputation completely meaningless.

  •  DANGER DANGER - We could be right! (4.00)
    "Gannon" could be exactly the person we found him to be - gay and a lousy reporter.

    The problem: "gay" screams; connections among shadowy right-wing groups and corporations whisper. His handlers are probably counting on the yelling surrounding "gay" to drown out the whispers about his connections.

    Gay is not the story
    Gay is not the story
    Gay is not the story!

    </soapbox>

    I am now telling the computer exactly what it can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate.

    by HeyThereItsEric on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 05:46:22 PM PST

  •  I have to ask (4.00)
    TrentK.  Why are you going up and down the thread downrating people, while making no explanation or comments yourself?
  •  Republicans! The Profiteers of Porn! (none)
    It makes me feel so...dirty.
  •  OT: BREAKING NEWS (none)
    BBC News reports:
    The Palestinian leader and Israeli prime minister declare a truce amid hopes of a "new era of peace".
  •  aol hometow page DOWN (none)
    "Sorry, We Can't Display That Page
    This member has exceeded their bandwith for the day. Please check back after 4 am EST to access this page"

    But I'll be asleep by then!!!!

  •  :tinfoil: (4.00)
    Maybe the GOP uses these Gay Operatives to seduce the closeted Republicans and then holds it over their heads to guarantee their influence?
    •  Like that Golan Cipel-Gov Jim McGreevey deal? (none)
      Only in reverse?

      Say, where has that alleged honey-trap Golam Cipel been lately? He ran away somewhere. Wasn't he threatening to sue former Gov. McGreevey for breach of promise or child support or blowing his deep cover or something?

      •  Shillgayte: The faerie queene (none)
        I wouldn't be at all surprised if Gannon/Guckert got exactly where he is because he had dirt on someone in the White House. I.e. he had a blue dress of his own.

        "OK fix me up with a plush job in the White House Press Corpse, where I'll have more than enough visibility to launch off on you if you don't behave. I'll do my part by being your shill, but one false move and you're history. Got it?"

        Only one question: whose spew is on Guckert's blue dress?

        Yesterday we stood at the abyss; today we are taking a step forward.

        by peeder on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 07:06:49 PM PST

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    •  I worry that (none)
      they use gay guys to do their dirty work so that, if anything happens, they can just say, "Well, we aren't responsible, that's just the kind of dishonest thing those gay people do."
  •  MSNBC has a Special Report tonight. (none)
    At 9PM EST they have a report on Karl Rowe who is about to get promoted in the WH. That is what the preview said just now.  Oh No!

    Fix the Problems, Don't create new ones

    by BarnBabe on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 06:02:41 PM PST

  •  question please: WH press corp (none)
    is anyone asking the other members of the press corp what they know about this guy?

    they see him all the time; they know he has no legitimate credentials.

    Do they just say "hi Jeff" when they see him?

    Some of them know about this investigation..  surely some of those people have some details about "Jeff"

  •  Being a liar (none)
    or not being truthful IS a political platform.  Being a hypocrite isn't. They aren't the same thing, first of all, and the latter has to do with traits of personal consistency.

    I've never found the arguments against hypocrisy particularly compelling no matter whom they are directed against.  

    In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

    by a gilas girl on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 06:16:11 PM PST

    •  this is wack (none)
      hypocrisy is a form of lying.

      people take your platform and assign credibility to it based on the implied assumption you "practice what you preach"

      remember, hypocrisy is in the present tense.

       

      •  That should be the chant for protestors at (none)
        Bush functions! "Practice what you preach!"

        "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." ~ Gandhi

        by mad ramblings of a sane woman on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 08:12:10 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  agreed (none)
        a gilas girl is right that lying isn't the same thing as hypocrisy.  But, they're both bad in different ways.

        Lying = "I did not have sex with that woman."

        Hypocrisy = using wealthy-family connections to weasel out of going to Vietnam, but decades later, while in a leadership position, turning into a war-hawk and carelessly throwing away the lives of thousands of American soldiers.

        •  but i stil disagree (none)
          first of all, if you think the isse of clinton's "perjury" iscut-and-dried, i don't

          second, the latter is certainly not "lying"- i had the similar example of drug use in he past by politicians sworn to hold the law today. the armstrong williams and jeff ganon both being gay today is different- i elevate that to lying.

      •  No they don't (none)
        What bloody country do you live in?   90% of the people you encounter on the street do not "practice what they preach" as few human beings are consistent.

        "Hypocrisy" is one of those claims we reach for when we want to establish our OWN superiority (think of how you use this rhetorical tool -- all that it is -- in your own personal life).

        The reliance on the "principle" and the use of the rhetorical tool (hypocrisy claims) are both ALWAYS about making the utterer feel better, it carries very little weight beyond that. \

        And in the arena of politics it carries almost NO weight (except among those who already see "the other side" as hypocritical, thus supporting my point above).  In politics, the bulk of the US electorate is perfectly happy to have the US government act what you call "hypocritically" since they fully believe in US exceptionalism and infalliability. Not only is "hypocrisy" by the government or the governmental leaders  NOT a form of lying to most Americans, its the more desirable mode of "leadership" that they seek.

        In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

        by a gilas girl on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 10:43:26 PM PST

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  •  Anyone Check for a Record? (none)
    Assuming, for the sake of argument, without concluding that it is so, if Mr. Guckert is involved in some sort of escort service, it is quite possible that he has a criminal record.  This should be checked out.  It would not be right in this time of heightened security for someone with a criminal record to use a psuedonym to have a press pass at the White House.
  •  top idiot (4.00)
    On Jeff's The Conservative Guy blog, he had a page of wacky liberal links.  Thanks to Media Matters linking to the web archive of this page, we have this gem:

    DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND - I'm still trying to be recognized as one of their weekly "Top 10 GOP Idiots"

    Dude!  Number 1 with a bullet!

  •  thanks SusanG (4.00)
    and everybody for ALL the hard work.

    wish I could say I'd been a part of it, but the last 2 weeks have left me little time to hang out here apart from occasionally as a spectator. but you've all done some fucking great work. I'm very anxious to see the next developments...

    ...and btw, don't be AT ALL sad that the "gay" theme has taken over the story for the moment. That's the bait in the water; the real substance of what you've got is what goes into the BOOK YOU PUBLISH in time for the '06 elections.

    •  Not too late. (none)
      It's not too late to help.  We still need people.  Keep in mind everyday brings new information and new leads and new areas to be researched.  Some people have devoted so much time over the last week and a half that burnout is becoming a factor.

      If you can help, we can use the help.


      "I don't know the meaning of the word surrender! I mean, I know it, I'm not dumb...just not in this context." -- The Tick

      by Liberalpalooza on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 07:27:38 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Jeff Gannon aka Jim Guckert, and gay smut (4.00)
    This is getting more and more interesting.  It seemed likely before these revelations that Gannnon must have had a reason for using an alias, and that the White House must have known who he really was and must have approved of the alias.

    Don't jump to the conclusion that this guy leads a double life  -- one straight, one gay.  I suspect that those gay sites are not what they seem.  They might even be intended to entrap gays in the military as one of the Kos bloggers suggested earlier.  You know the Secret Service must have done a thorough background check on Gannon/Guckert before granting him  access to Presidential press conferences.  I find it very unlikely that this stuff got by them which suggests to me that Gannon was not engaged in activities that would have resulted in him being denied clearance.  In other words, he is more likely to have been involved in surveillance, dirty tricks, entrapment, etc. than to have been a pornographer.

    My theory is that someone in the White House cleared Guckert as a faux newsman and suggested an alias in case someone noticed his softballs and decided to do some checking into just who this guy was.  I don't think we have seen the last of this story.  This guy could turn out to be Bush's Donald Segretti. For those young'ns out there, Segretti was a dirty trickster in the secret employ of Nixon, who sabotaged the Democratic campaigns during the 1968 campaign.  He was secretly on the payroll of the Committee to re-elect the President (Creep), and was outed during the Watergate revelations.

    •  helpful alternate take (none)
      excellent alternate take on this, from one who was quick to jump on the hypocricy bandwagon.  mind you, i'm still sticking along for that particular ride, but the note of caution you and others have sounded is helpful.

      I find it very unlikely that this stuff got by them which suggests to me that

      hmmm.  dunno.  possibly.  but let's not forget the lessons learned by the bernard kerik episode -- they  are fully capable of dropping the ball on matters of vetting.
       

      •  Even if (none)
        his site is a dirty trick, it's the appearance that counts.  

        AND - if the dirty tricks are exposed, so much the better.

        But I'm with you, Susan's work is outstanding, but these folks are slippery.  If Olberman or someone with balls in the MSM picks this up, they'd better vet it with a fine tooth comb to avoid another Rathergate.

        "Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to God alone."--Thomas Jefferson

        by hopesprings on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 07:11:54 PM PST

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      •  Even if (none)
        his site is a dirty trick, it's the appearance that counts.  

        AND - if the dirty tricks are exposed, so much the better.

        But I'm with you, Susan's work is outstanding, but these folks are slippery.  If Olberman or someone with balls in the MSM picks this up, they'd better vet it with a fine tooth comb to avoid another Rathergate.

        "Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to God alone."--Thomas Jefferson

        by hopesprings on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 07:12:07 PM PST

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    •  clearance (none)
      You know the Secret Service must have done a thorough background check on Gannon/Guckert before granting him  access to Presidential press conferences.  I find it very unlikely that this stuff got by them which suggests to me that Gannon was not engaged in activities that would have resulted in him being denied clearance.  In other words, he is more likely to have been involved in surveillance, dirty tricks, entrapment, etc. than to have been a pornographer.

      Why would the Secret Service care if one of the journalists was a pornographer?  Or a gay escort?  I'm sure there have been WH press corps members with, um, exotic personal lives.  As long as they're not engaged in plotting an assassination I don't see why they wouldn't get clearance.

      Otherwise I agree with what you say.  Gannon/Guckert may be the Segretti of this administration.  I don't think the Big Rove Machine is as slick as they think they are.  They're bound to have made some stupid mistakes, and this may be one of them.

    •  Of Course (none)
      The Bush White House would never blow such a no-brainer--they always check their facts thoroghly and make sure that they have the story right before acting.  They are really comptent, I assure you.
  •  Closeted Gay Republicans (none)
    The political party where living a lie is a considered a guaranteeed formula for success.
  •  Please give us leadership, not damage control n/t (none)
    You're capable of so much better!
    •  excuse me, but (none)
      what in the fuck is this suposed to mean?
      •  It's supposed to mean that the Gannon issue needs (none)
        Kos' leadership, not a subtle distancing,  minimizing, and implicit distaste that this diary indicates for the effort to investigate Plame.

        This issue has legs. This issue is real, and the blogosphere's role (and dkos' role in particular) is already more than notable.

        And you don't have to be abusive, I wasn't.

        •  I don't know ... (none)
          I think we're leading ourselves just fine.

          And that fact that Kos has allowed us the space, place and freedom to research this with NO interference seems to show the highest level of respect for what we're doing.

          I don't think he's necessarily bound to take on every cause the community thinks is important. This story's beginning to grow a nice set of legs without him having to devote time to it.

          I think it's worked out wonderfully.

          •  I was speaking about the 'lost control' comment. (none)
            I also agree that this has been an incredible turn in public journalism, and in the power of information. I weep for the Fourth Estate.
          •  Agree -- (none)
            however, Kos has administrators and for him to be so completely uninformed about an issue that you kept alive and a whole lot of people were working on for eleven days and coming up with far more information than we have been able to use so far is weird.

            Lots of journalists envy Woodward and Bernstein's breaks with Watergate, but very few know how to spot a story and work it until it comes to fruition.  You and many others here could spot this one and plowed in.  OTOH Kos still doesn't seem to appreciate the potential full ramifications of this.

            What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away

            by Marie on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 12:17:46 PM PST

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  •  Crimminy (none)
    Go away to shoot a league game of pool...come back to find...

    ummm...in a word...

    wow.

  •  young military "boy toys" (none)
    This story reminds me of something I read in TBR News' The Voice of the White House way back on October 18:

    Seems a former White House aide, (Reagan White House) was caught running a male prostitution service and got fired from the Monkey Palace, and later from the RNC for supplying muscular boy toys to some top Beltway gays. Well, after being fired, our bozo got together with a Muslim druggie and set up operations at the Kennedy-Warren, a landmark DC apartment/business complex. They ran a male escort service supplying young studs to older Beltway citizens. Among these citizens were: Federal judges, top political figures, mostly Republican, very senior military people and certainly members of Congress. The head of this service, that utilized credit cards for payment, supplied young men, mostly young servicemen, between 18 to 25 for sex. They kept very complete records, including names and address of the johns as well as credit card receipts. And later there was blackmail and now, I have learned from the inside, this joker has sold the lists to: Iranians( through his partner's Arab connections)  and a gay group in DC. Sold the lists twice and got twice the money. I have seen a partial list and it reads like the DC social register, believe me! This enterprising young man is very liable to end up at the bottom of the Potomac River just like ex-CIA chief Bill Colby who was terminated by his former employees because he just couldn't keep his mouth shut about certain things. I won't have old Bill's problem because I am not a Princeton man and even you don't know who I am. You had the intestinal fortitude to print the material about the planned Iranian attack and maybe you will do the same with this one. I know a number of people inside the Beltway read your site...and loathe you...and if they read this and are closet queens, the sale of dignity pants will soar in the next few weeks. My, my, such lovely names! The Washington Times did a front page story on this joker some time back, by the way, but no one dared to touch him because of what, and whom, he knew...and serviced..."

    I thought it was just outrageously lurid gossip, invented for shock value, but now I'm not so sure.

  •  "reborn throu the blood of Jesus Christ" (none)
    .
    Theology of Freemasonry

    "We are reborn through the blood of Jesus Christ. It is through Christ that we walk in the light."

    http://contenderministries.org/freemason/theology.php

    I have mentioned this before in a diary on Blackwell OH. It didn't get any legs!

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    •  Freemasonry mistake (none)
      You've misread the website.  That's not the "theology of Freemasonry" - it's Christian theology.  The web page is an anti-Mason page citing the Bible in an attempt to show that Masonry is "not Christian".

      I'm a Mason myself and I can tell you that the reason Masons are loathed/feared in some circles is that they don't acknowledge that Christianity is the one-and-only religion.  In Masonry, anyone who believes in a "supreme power" (known generically as "the Great Architect of the Universe") is welcome.  Therefore, those who claim that the only way to God is through Jesus - e.g., the born-agains - are freaked out beyond measure by Masonry.  

      •  41 (none)
        Isn't George HW Bush a Freemason?  
        •  No (none)
          Neither Bush Jr nor Sr is a Mason.

          Recent presidents who were Masons: Gerald Ford, LBJ, Harry S Truman, FDR.

          •  Of course they are.... (none)
            Skull and Bones is a "lodge" (322) after all.

            I had always understood that the ONLY presidents who were not Masons were Eisenhower and Kennedy - and I've heard some stories about Kennedy which suggest he had been initiated but sought to keep it very hush-hush.  His fellow Taigs in Boston might not have approved.

            •  I've heard this before. Have info? (none)
              I'm interested in this intersection of politics and non-specifically-Christian religion...

              "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

              by jbeach on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 05:45:49 AM PST

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              •  Masonry (none)
                is not a religion, Christian or otherwise.
                •  How do we know? :) (none)
                  It's a group of people who share a certain belief system, concerning metaphysical events. They meet regularly at specific buildings, which are built mainly for those who are share this same belief system. At these meetings, they reinforce that belief system. They financially support this venue, these meetings, and by extension the metaphysical belief system. They can and do bring in family members into this community - sons, nephews (can women join the Masons?), others.

                  Seems that they fit most of the definitions of religion.

                  "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

                  by jbeach on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 06:42:22 AM PST

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                  •  it depends (none)
                    on how you define "religion", of course.  And "metaphysics".  But the characteristics you list above are also held by a lot of organizations that aren't religions - e.g., the Boy Scouts.

                    You can always join and find out what it's all about :-)  

                    Here's a basic description, from the American Co-Masonry website:

                    Overview of Freemasonry

                    Women can participate on an equal footing in Co-Masonry (my order).  In the better-known "masculine" Masonry they are excluded.  Wives and daughters can join other auxiliary organizations.

                •  Info on Masons in the Oval Office, then (none)
                  Even if it's nothing but the world's biggest Old Boys Club, I'd love to have a source for more info about this conenction between Masonry and the presidency. I know tons of the Founding Fathers were Masons; it's interesting to me to know how this trend has continued in the 20th Century.

                  Is Kerry a Mason? Edwards? Hillary? Obama? Dean?

                  "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

                  by jbeach on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 06:44:57 AM PST

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            •  that's crap (none)
              Paranoid anti-Masonic propaganda.  Skull and Bones is not a Masonic lodge and from what I've heard of their habits and rituals has nothing whatsoever to do with Masonry.
              •  More like 'He-Man Women-haters Club' for the rich? (none)
                A Raccoon Lodge for the fortunate sons of state and industry?

                "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

                by jbeach on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 08:51:39 AM PST

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                •  right (none)
                  It's a glamorous (or aristocratically seedy, from some reports) frat.  That's all.  Yes, there are connections to the very wealthy and politically powerful, because it's an elite club at an elite Northeast college.  No surprise there.
      •  Ingorance on my part ... (none)
        I had googled the phrase as spoken by Jeff Gannon on his latest posts, thinking it would lead to an evangelical, christian site. Beyond amazement to find the exact phrase when I skimmed the front page, I took it at face value.

        Thanks for putting the record straight. My preliminary hunch, as I posted earlier, was that Jeff Gannon was a devout catholic, perhaps of Italian ancestors, because he knew to report specifics or recent Rome visit by Condi Rice.

        So my hunch still may be correct. "Reborn in the blood of JC" in catholicism could refer to the the eucharist, taking the body and blood by eating bread and drinking the wine.

        Crazy bedfellow, to put it mildly.

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        •  it's OK (none)
          People don't know much about Freemasonry and there's a lot of crap propaganda out there.  I'm happy to clarify things when I can.

          "Reborn in the blood of JC" in catholicism could refer to the the eucharist, taking the body and blood by eating bread and drinking the wine.

          I'm not an expert, not being Christian, but my impression was that his mention of "rebirth" was referring to being "born again".  I think in Catholicism, the sacrament of eucharist is a kind of nourishment, while the sacrament of baptism is a kind of birth.  But maybe I'm wrong.

          Not important, really, except that I don't think he's Catholic - I think he's "born again" (or pretending to be).

          •  Pretending To Be Reborn (none)
            "Not important, really, except that I don't think he's Catholic - I think he's "born again" (or pretending to be)."

            To get his personality profile straight, I was very curious as he used the strange formulation. He is devout and radical, a prerequisite for the Right-Wing masses of today. It was the drop to put Bush in power for another term.

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  •  Anybody Notice... (none)
    ...that ALL the shirtless photos of Gannon have disappeared from the Internet...

    Go ahead... look at the original post:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/5/131757/5945

    search for...

    jdg17@aol.com

    That was fast...

    If you have a copy post it here and let's see how long it takes to disappear...

  •  asdf (none)
    From an Editor & Publisher story on a contest they are running to see who can ID Deep Throat:

    "There is no truth to the rumor that E&P is pondering for our next contest, 'What is Jeff Gannon's Real Name?'"

    Pretty funny.

    Who would Jesus bomb?

    by mraker on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 08:00:38 PM PST

  •  A bit unsettling (none)
    I've been following SusanG's stuff for a while before it made this unbelievable turn of events...  And have been very impressed...  And also a little frightened...

    the truth never seems to fit in any kind of box...  it's way too messy...  

    suddenly there's all of this kooky evidence of the guy being gay.

    I admit it's hard not to buy into what you guys have figured out...  but what if it is wrong?  how much vindication will gannon have after fighting off a bunch of crazy (or angry as they call us) liberals who he could claim tried to snipe his character by insinuating he was gay?  sounds like FoxNews material.

    Maybe it's just too much 1984...  But seems pretty conceivable that one could use the fear of red staters or most people into being blasted as gay (or anything else)...  As a way to limit speech on the internet.  (okay that might be stretching it but--)

    These guys don't carry much truth with them from what I have seen...  Who's to say the image wasn't doctored.  Many people barely have a computer, let alone would know much about doctoring images...  All anyone would need do is put that out there and many just by their political allegiances will eat it up as fact.

    I saw his disappearing webpage and the pictures he had there of himself at a rally-- made him appear a little overweight in my opinion.  In the aol picture he's pretty diesel.

    At the very least, the questions Susan brought up about the whole plame incident and softball questions have been thrown aside for an insatiable story that seems too neat and too damning to be true...  Look at how his bios fizzled away...  did he accidentally forget he posted a picture of himself in tightie-wighties on aol?

    Seems like a trap...

    Just a thought...  Like I said it's hard not to believe what you guys have come up with...  It's been well investigated over...  but whoever the puppetmaster might be (if there is one) probably is coming from the same seat of power that won two elections on smoke and mirrors...

    Like any good magician knows-- the trick is always in the misdirection.  

    •  Even if a trap (none)
      The guy has then made a fool of himself posting the picture. And even if they are fooling with us, then they have to admit they set it all up and that can be damaging also.

      He can claim, oh" I am innocent. My friends posted that picture". Well, why would you have a picture of yourself posing like that anyway?

      He may be trying to cloud the issue with red herrings but there is a story here.  

      Fix the Problems, Don't create new ones

      by BarnBabe on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 09:36:47 PM PST

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    •  no no no no no (4.00)
      Look.  The gay thing is pretty damn insignificant - and even if it were true, he could very easily claim "innocence" (that is, that he registered those URLs because he thought that he, as a straight frat guy, could sell the sites in the future knowing they'd probably make money).  In fact, he'd be stupid not to.  FINE!

      What he can't claim is that he is not James Dale Guckert.  It's been established by fraternity documents and an AOL photo that go back YEARS.  There would be no POINT in fabricating these things.  It's him.

      Frankly, I think the gay angle is immaterial (although ... he doesn't seem to be married or talk about his bitches much).  It's been a nice diversion & all, but let's give it a rest and focus 100% on the four questions:

      1. Why was this obvious Republican operative ("Talon News" being nothing more than an arm of GOPUSA, which is clearly a Republican company) given daily press passes, and then called on so often by Scott McClellan, who knew that he was a Republican operative?  Who was responsible for this vetting?

      2. How did this man, a Republican operative with no journalistic background, come to be in the center of three major news events -- at least two of which involved leaks -- in the run-up to the 2004 elections?  Namely: the Plame outing, Rather & the "forged" memo, and Tom Daschle's "non-residence" in South Dakota.  

      3. Did any of these leaks come from the administration (or in Daschle's case, the Thune campaign)?

      4. How do GOPUSA and Talon News make their money?    Have any RNC or administration funds been spent to prop up these propaganda arms of the Republican Party?

      On a side note, now that we know that he is not a "reporter" in any definition of the term, will the Justice Department feel any compunction about compelling testimony from him in the Plame investigation?  Do the First Amendment guarantees of freedom of the press include blatant adjuncts to one political party?  If so, then there is no such thing as "the press" and we might as well all pack up our bags and go.

      I have a problem with Judith Miller going to jail to compel her testimony.  I have a much, much smaller problem with Jeff Gannon (sorry, "Jeff Gannon") going to jail to compel his.

  •  please please please (none)
    go post this on free republic. anyone have a semi-legit alias that might not be removed?
  •  jeffgannon.com - "the voice goes silent" (4.00)
    Has anyone checked his site lately?

    (Don't know how to do a nice gray box yet....)

    "Because of the attention being paid to me I find it is no longer possible to effectively be a reporter for Talon News.  In consideration of the welfare of me and my family I have decided to return to private life.

    Thank you to all those who supported me."

    GOTCHA!!!!

  •  jeffgannon.com (none)
    Shutting down the propaganda machine in its tracks.

    I do hafta say though, we should begin framing up counter arguments to the "Liberals only want to silence your rights to free speech and free press, and look what they did to Jeff Gannon!"

    This is already feeding the flames of the "Pinko Liberal Commie" fire for sure.

  •  Leave Fake News to the Pros (4.00)
    Instead of looking at this from the perspective of taking down "Jeff Gannon"/ Talon News, maybe we should look at this as the opening of a golden opportunity.

    If a phony news service like Talon News can get into the White House press core, then shouldn't the KING KONG of FAKE news also get in?

    Of course I'm talking about "The Daily Show" here (or at least the Onion). Its time for Rob Corddry to actually report from the white house, and to hopefully taunt Jeff Gannon while doing so.

    Seriously though, Rob Corddry should at least go through the process of applying for a press pass the same way Gannon does, after going to the cracker jack journalism mill Gannon went to in order to get his journalism "credentials", while simultaneously documenting the whole process in one of his correspondent pieces.

    •  excellent idea! (none)
      Better yet, we could get a real journalist who is also an anti-administration satirist - for example, Hunter S Thompson or Tony Hendra.
    •  That would sure make a great bit for the show! (none)
      I bet that's a great idea for them. They should definitely do it.

      Man, Cordry, or Samantha Bee, Stephen Colbert, any of them...I'm already laughing.

      Think I'll email The Daily Show!

      "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

      by jbeach on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 05:51:17 AM PST

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  •  Interesting... (4.00)
    Go to jeffgannon.com.  Here is the text from the site as of 12:27A.M central time:

    Jeff Gannon
    A Voice of the New Media

    The voice goes silent.

    Because of the attention being paid to me I find it is no longer possible to effectively be a reporter for Talon News.  In consideration of the welfare of me and my family I have decided to return to private life.

    Thank you to all those who supported me.

     

    •  wow, talk about thin skin (none)
      imagine if Kos had shut this place down the moment the crazy wingnuts piled on about the mercenary comment.

      If this guy was for real I think he could have weathered this storm a little longer...

      poor Jeff. Good luck with that subpoena man!

      You can kill a flock of sheep with witchcraft, provided you also feed them arsenic.

      by Lud on Tue Feb 08, 2005 at 11:06:19 PM PST

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    •  Beautiful Sight [Site] -- Unmasked Forever (none)
      Jeff Gannon as alias has made fame. The reporter came from the blogs of the likes of FR, has been writing under different preudonyms even at the present!

      The reporter will surface again on the web, however his face will be changed and out of the public domain. A black page of RoverGate has turned, a new chance for democratic and true patriotic principles has triumphed. Congrats to all.

      How ugly can a mess get in the Bush administration. Now full resources on the remaining issues! There are many asses out there, the Bryant Suits query is also on the table, and dozens more.

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  •  His comments have vanished... (none)
    Went to the site and there was no reference at all to his resignation.  I tried several links--one wouldn't work, and others were old.  Wonder what's going on?
    •  Found it (none)
      Apparently there is something wrong with my computer, once I shutdown and rebooted, it came right up.  Should be an interesting newsday.
      •  Don't forget your own pc (none)
        has the last viewed page in memory.

        It caused me a lot of mix-up doing some research back and forth.

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  •  Jeff Gannon Resigns from Talon (none)
    OK, I didn't have time to read all 500+ comments, so I hope this isn't a dupe.  

    This thread at DU discusses Gannon's resignation from Talon, etc.

    DU Thread

  •  Has anyone mentioned Gannon's a Freeper yet? (none)
    •  Great blogging (none)
      Right up there with the Bout thing, RDX and so on. Don't be afraid of hitting them with the gay thing - remember, it's them who have a problem with this. If we can ram this to them it ought to seriously dissociate their thinking - get right inside the decision loop. (Bwurg! Mmmflle! Gays! Oh brother - can't say that any more - Oh mother! Flurrgh!)
  •  500 posts here; 100 on the VRWC thread (none)
    We lefties sure know how to focus on the important stuff....
    Might I suggest some of the posters here go check out the VRWC thread. THAT is important stuff. This aint....
    •  A bit of advice... (none)
      cryofan,

      If you'd like attention paid to your efforts, don't make your posts sound like trolls. I was ready to go all recipe on your butt until I double-checked your site.

      I am now telling the computer exactly what it can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate.

      by HeyThereItsEric on Wed Feb 09, 2005 at 08:35:04 AM PST

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  •  Gannon's Song - w/apologies to Tom Petty: (none)
    ".....Now I'm freeeeeeeeeeeeee ... free fallin,'..."
  •  Kos Acks LOL. You Stand on the Field of VICTORY! (none)
    CHEERS!

    No shame.  Rove called Gannon and ended the farse.  Good work.

  •  Get McLellan next (none)
    Whoever signed this fraud into the White House has to hang. Don't let the MSM get away with not holding the administration accountable. After all "Gannon" seems imbalanced, he may have been a security threat. This story could have legs if the focus stays unwavering. It's not a trivial story. Follow the money.

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