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New connections between Tom DeLay, Russian business and security interests, and a particularly nasty House vote in 1999 are being made.

First, 1999:

PAUL GIGOT: It was a bad day for the House. It was also a bad day for the president. It was a no confidence vote in his conduct during the war, Jim.

The US House was facing a turning point in the war in Kosovo.  Would it support President Clinton's policy of intervention or would it turn a blind eye to Milosevic's adventure?

MARK SHIELDS:  Tom DeLay, the House Whip, and a member of House Republicans, this actual impeachment. That's exactly what it is. They're going to make it Clinton/Gore's war and they're going to guarantee that it doesn't work. Paul can say they're emulating, they're simulating. What that was - you had the House Republican Whip whipping members on the floor to vote against air cover that had been supported by president George Bush, supported by Bob Dole, the last Republican nominee, supported by Dick Lugar, the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and John Warner, the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Dick Shelby, Richard Shelby, the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. And he whipped them to the point where they were contradictory. They're saying we're against bringing our troops home. We're just going to leave them there.
JIM LEHRER: The bombing war was more intense today than it has been since it began. Does that make kind of the House of Representatives almost irrelevant in this? Have they made themselves irrelevant?

PAUL GIGOT: I doubt it was irrelevant to Slobodan Milosevic. What message do you think he took with a 213 to 213 vote? Do you think he thinks Bill Clinton is leading a unified country? I don't think so.

So there you have it.  Tom DeLay and the House repubs playing politics with soldier's lives, attempting to undercut Clinton's power at home with a cynical vote against his policy, a vote to put our own soldiers in harm's way.

Fast forward to today:

A six-day trip to Moscow in 1997 by then-House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) was underwritten by business interests lobbying in support of the Russian government, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the trip arrangements.

DeLay reported that the trip was sponsored by a Washington-based nonprofit organization. But interviews with those involved in planning DeLay's trip say the expenses were covered by a mysterious company registered in the Bahamas that also paid for an intensive $440,000 lobbying campaign.
In this case, travel funds did not come directly from lobbyists; the money came from a firm, Chelsea Commercial Enterprises Ltd., that funded the lobbying campaign, according to the sources. Chelsea was coordinating the effort with a Russian oil and gas company -- Naftasib -- that has business ties with Russian security institutions, the sources said.

So DeLay's trip was paid for by a firm associated with Russian security interests.  Kevin Drum asks this question:

Hmmm. Back in the mid-90s, wasn't DeLay awfully vocal about opposing action to stop Serbian genocide in Kosovo? And wasn't the Russian security establishment one of the biggest defenders of Serb interests?

Bugman is unAmerican, in the sense that his interests lie not with those of the betterment of the American people.  He is quite American, in the sense that his interests lie solely in expanding his estate, no matter the cost to fellow human beings, be they American soldiers or the American people.
Update [2005-4-7 19:20:7 by lapin]: Check out the American Prospect's Tapped for a more in depth and very much up to date review of the DeLay/Russian connection.

Update [2005-4-7 19:41:3 by lapin]: Hey, I got my first hate mail due to this post! It's really mild, but still, it's the first. I'll remember it forever.

Subject: Delay Conspired with the Russians
And Ted Kennedy conspired with the KGB in '79-'80 to get the presidential nomination over Carter, and Clinton sold military secrets to China for foreign cash contributions .. whats your point ???

So I replied:

Right back at you: what's your point? You got a problem with the post, get a user id and make a comment on the diary. That way, your thoughts can enlighten us all.

So then Michael said:

You moron left wing American haters "censored" me and I was banned after 2 posts.. So much for "compassion" and allowing other opinions to partake in the conversation. But thats what you get from a bunch of baby killing terrorist supporting panty wearing tree hugging liberals.

I didn't know I wore panties!

Originally posted to lapin on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 11:37 AM PDT.

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  •  Foreign Allegiance (4.00)
    Your headline put it exactly right.  Delay had an allegiance to a foreign power.  He was bought.  He delivered.  Remember ABSCAM?


    •  DeLay has no allegiance to anyone (4.00)
      He only swears allegiance to the almighty dollar.  The fact that it was a Russian company funding him that time is irrelevant; Osama bin Laden himself could offer a suitcase full of cash to the Bugman, and the next thing you know DeLay is comparing OBL to the "freedom fighters" in Central America during the 1980's.  He will do anything for money.

      He is a disgusting piece of shit not worthy of the title "Congressman".

      •  agreed (4.00)
        add traitor to his resume (which includes years of project mismangement, finacial misappropriation, and ethical lapses).

        he put our soldiers in danger.  it was bad enough that it could've been just about politics.

        but add money & greed & i'm incredibly disturbed by this man.

        & i was disturbed to begin with.

        help us put this guy out of business.

      •  delay not worthy (3.57)
        Delay isn't even worthy of being called an American
        •  That's a Repugnican attitude. (3.00)
          Don't stoop that low. Don't say he's a traitor, don't say he's un-American. That's what the other side's doing, and we absolutely cannot do that or history sees us in exactly the same way. He is corrupt, and that's all.
          •  While I Agree, I Will Say... (4.00)
            ...that if it's ever established that DeLay's actions against the Kosovo war were directly influenced by dealings with foreign interests opposed to the US-led actions against Serbia, that could constitute a form of treason, if not in a strictly legal sense, at least in a colloqual way of favoring foreign interests over the U.S. government.  That's beyond corrupt.  

            But that hasn't been proven, and as embarassing as it is to have to accept that he's an American, unless and until proven guilty, he's allowed a formal and public presumption of innocence...even though, were the circumstances reversed, he'd be unlikely to grant us the same.  

          •  Your comment is enough. (4.00)
            There's no need to start handing out 1's to people you don't agree with.

            If he'd said YOU were unworthy of being called an American, I'd be goose-egging him with you. But he's expressing an opinion about a highly controversial public figure, and he is not alone in the sentiment.

            One day, we'll get this rating thing figured out.

    •  Actually, The Headline Has a HUGE Error (4.00)
      The Kosovo war was 2 years after DeLay's trip to Russia.  He went to Russia in 1997, the Kosovo war was two years later, in 1999.  DeLay's trip occurred during a fairly quiet time, between the signing of the Dayton Accords (in 1995) and the Kosovo war (in 1999).

      There may be something here with which to nail DeLay, but we need to keep our facts straight.

      Oh, and if you doubt this, just follow the PBS link to the Shield-Gigot discussion--it was April 30, 1999.

      •  Yes (none)
        I saw that ...  And I am aware of the timeline.  How close was/is Delay exactly to the Russian government?  It is no secret that Russia considers Serbia to be in its "sphere," even though it was never contiguous with the borders of the Russian or Soviet empires.  It seems unlikely that this particular trip was made with the intent of influencing Delay's actions on the Yugoslavia bombing of 1998.

        However ...

        The Kosovo situation started much earlier than 1998.  I believe that it was in 1989 that Milosevic first began agitating against the native Albanian groups in Yugoslavia.  The intensity of the actions quickened when Serbia had to look for new enemies following the Dayton accords and finally went into crisis in the winter of 1998-99.

        Does Delay have inappropriate ties to the Russians?  I do not know.  But I can certainly see how ties that were cemented during a 1997 junket would continue to bind one year and a year and a half later.

        •  Not the Point, This Diary as Written is Wrong (none)
          The diary makes assertions that are clearly factually inaccurate.  In fact, it's grossly inaccurate.  There may be ways to connect the dots between DeLay's dealings with the Russians and his machinations concerning Kosovo, I'd love it if it can be established that DeLay essentially engaged in treason, and I think it may be possible to establish that fact.  But we get nowhere if we're wrong with simple things like the difference between 1997 and 1999.
      •  Whoops (4.00)
        Thanks, corrected.

        Sell your cleverness; buy bewilderment.

        by lapin on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 03:32:54 PM PDT

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  •  Treason, plain and simple (4.00)
    Money and power before country and constitution.  Isn't that still a capital crime?  And good for a spot in the ninth circle of Hell.

    There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured with what is right with America. -- Bill Clinton

    by ThirstyGator on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 11:41:52 AM PDT

    •  What we need (none)
      is some sort of evidence showing this particular Russian defense company had ties to the Milosovec regime.  
      •  And Headlines. (4.00)
        We need headlines.  If this was a Democratic House Majority Leader the NY Times Headline and the lead story on CNN would be one word:  Treason.  Before anybody had any proof of anything.  Running Delay out of his Majority Leader office isn't enough.  Running him out of Congress isn't enough.  He needs to spend the better part of the next 40 years in Leavenworth.

        There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured with what is right with America. -- Bill Clinton

        by ThirstyGator on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:08:56 PM PDT

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        •  Exactly Correct (none)
          We need to THUNDER THIS OUT across the planet: Tom DeLay, TRAITOR. Forward the story to everyone on  your e-mail lists. Let's get hundreds of thousands of messages out. Write the major news outfits. KEEP THIS GOING.

          Fuck Cockroach Man. Put that greasy little son of a bitch in Leavenworth.

          "George W. Bush is not only the worst president in American history, he is the worst man who has been President."--J. Miller

          by Yosef 52 on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:44:49 PM PDT

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          •  the Carville email from DCCC (none)
            "It's nothing but a bunch of leftist organizations that have a public strategy to demonize me..."
            -- Tom DeLay, casting himself as the victim in response to ethics accusations

            And yet at this very moment DeLay and his extreme right wing allies are boasting about their pathetic strategy to paint him as an innocent victim of circumstance, making clear that his recent publicity was just the opening salvo in one of the most cynical, hypocritical PR campaigns we've ever seen. If Tom DeLay's a martyr, I'm Goldilocks..."

            The bold font was his.  :)

            A wee bit less Quakerish.  About damn time.

            Comments referring only to ratings are a nuisance. Noise. They waste time and bandwidth. We're all dumber for having read them.

            by willowby on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:53:27 PM PDT

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          •  asdf (none)

            Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

            We need two witness. That's all.

      •  No we don't actually (4.00)
        This guy still has a security clearance??????  In my experience in that world, DSS would've recommended a yank of his security clearance at any whiff of this to OPM.  This is an outrage, a true security risk, and he should be suspended until otherwise cleared if his political power didn't buy off federal regulations!

        "There must be some way out of here, said the Joker to the Thief" -Bob Dylan is my god

        by Jeffersonian Democrat on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:56:21 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, I think bribery is mentioned... (none)
      as an impeachable offense in the Constitution.

      What's good for the goose... and all of that.

  •  DeLay needs to be sworn-in . . . (3.85)

     . . . and deposed.  I would love to do the cross-examination.  And it would not be one of those namby-pamby House or Senate Committee "crosses" where everyone gets 5 freaking minutes and half of the questions are, in fact, not questions, but lovingly-lobbed soft balls.  No, if a typical, "vanilla" car accident, let alone sex discrimination or breach of contract, case can warrant depos of the principles that last from 5-8 hours, then DeLay and his shennanigans deserve at least 8-12 hours being cross-examined by one, mean, hungry, "on fire" attorney.  And let it be video'd.  And let him take The Fifth all he wants:  that would make him look even more like the criminal he certainly appears to be.


    . . . religion is not a syllogism, but a poem. H.L. Mencken

    by BenGoshi on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 11:43:27 AM PDT

    •  Where are all those 'hungry' investigators? (none)
      I would love to see you cross examine quite a few people like that.
    •  that would be great... (none)
      but not very likely. Somehow this information has to be pounded in the news outlets around Sugarland (Houston). The citizens of his district have to be embarrassed over and over at the idea that this man represents them. Every little event exposed and repeated in every news outlet, local and national.

      Make them appear to a bunch of uneducated, illiterate, redneck bubbas. Sugarland is far to affluent to stand for that image. When some one says they are from Sugarland, Tx in should bring snickers and guffaws and "you'ev got to be kidding you voted for that lying criminal Delay?"

      •  Been to Sugarland. (none)

         In a word:  ugh.  Not everybody there's bad or anything like that, but definitely under the spell of this idiot and, yes, I think you're point is a good one.  Now, of course, gotta make it not look like "the World vs. Sugarland", or they'll all rally 'round their poor, persecuted, Tommy Boy.  But if, indeed, it can be made to look like "the good people of Sugarland" are being dragged down by an arrogant, self-abosorbed, petty tyrant, then they might turn on him.


        . . . religion is not a syllogism, but a poem. H.L. Mencken

        by BenGoshi on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 01:41:49 PM PDT

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      •  Remember Jim Traficant (none)
        the Dem Congressman from Youngstown, OH?  The one with the funky hairdo and the rants on C-Span.  He was a huge embarrassment but they still loved him in Youngstown (which is solidly, even militantly, old-style Democratic).  He might even have been re-elected except for the technicality that he resided outside his district (after he was put in federal prison in Pennsylvania).

        The difference, of course, is that Traficant toward the end was shunned by both parties--he was the only congressman without a committee assignment during his last term.  Vs. the most powerful member of Congress.  The other difference is that Traficant was loved because he was an unapologetic champion of a downtrodden people in a downtrodden area.  Delay ain't out there fighting for Sugarland--he's fighting for Tom Delay.

  •  Traitor? (4.00)
    Hmm I wonder, I saw a graphic the other day with Delay's wondering around the world, with $ amounts at each location.....I think a nice title of "around the world in xxx xxx xxx dollars."

    Also, maybe a subtitle is Delay serving the american people?

  •  drip drip (4.00)
    Considering the Democrats can't do much with an Ethics committee that was hand picked by Delay, this continually running sore is all we can count on to get the attention of the oblivious public. Nothing will happen until the public puts overwhelming pressure on the Republcan "party of moral values" to get out the BACTINE.

    Just keep picking that scab.

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:03:21 PM PDT

  •  I say (none)
    If they support the impeachment of Tom Delay, we'll support the impeachment of Judge Greer. TWO-FER!
  •  sure wasn't much of a patriot then nt (none)
  •  A word of caution (3.50)
    I agree the general facts line up in a way that leads to a moderate to high-probability of this influence occurring.  

    I understand the argument being made -- that an inter-locking set of Russian personal, business and political relationships directly influenced the Republican Whip's vote on an issue of national security.

    While these types of relationships are historically well-documented, no one knows who made what call, or had dinner with whom or whatever.  I'm not saying it's not possible.  In fact, I think it's likely.

    But all we have is conjecture.  

    Until we have more solid proof, this sounds like a conspiracy theory run wild that the right can have a fiend day with.

    DeLay has already given the Dems some great material that we can prove with documents, financial transfer records and the like.  Until we get more facts (and someone should defineately look into this more thoroughly), let's stick with firmer facts.  


    I stepped up on the platform, the man gave me the news, he said you must be joking son, where did you get those shoes-- Donald Fagen

    by bonddad on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:24:11 PM PDT

    •  Understood (none)
      I guess that there is a chance that Tom Delay acted independently on this from the Russian-controlled lobbyists who were trying to influence his decisions.  Let's hear what Tom Delay has to say about this.
      •  Actually, (none)
        I don't think DeLay is a traitor per se.  I think he saw money and a chance to travel and didn't think about what he was doing.  

        DeLay gets off on the power, nothing more.  It doesn't matter where that power comes from, so long as it goes his way.

        Plus, I think the nuances of geopolitics is a bit beyond himi.

        I stepped up on the platform, the man gave me the news, he said you must be joking son, where did you get those shoes-- Donald Fagen

        by bonddad on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:52:23 PM PDT

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        •  Motivation isn't an issue (none)
          Just because he was only driven by money and power doesn't mean it's not treasonous behavior.  And as I recall, his rhetoric about the Commander in Chief in the late 90's was just shy of treason as well.

          There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured with what is right with America. -- Bill Clinton

          by ThirstyGator on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 01:07:31 PM PDT

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          •  The State Department (none)
            Would have given him a full briefing if asked about the implications of traveling to a nation that was covertly supplying the people we were fighting against.

            He has a staff too.

            The green light that is implied to Milosovic is scary.

    •  we've got (none)
      the appearance of impropriety.  I have to agree with the wsj.  we have a bad smell.  since he is a lawmaker who has taken an oath to support and defend the constitution and uphold the law I feel it is incumbent upon DeLay to DISPROVE this.  
    •  conjecture (none)
      is all that is needed to revoke a security clearance, see my up-thread.  And THAT is one more nail in the political coffin.

      "There must be some way out of here, said the Joker to the Thief" -Bob Dylan is my god

      by Jeffersonian Democrat on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 02:16:30 PM PDT

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    •  Conjecture, maybe... (none)
      But when did such a small thing ever stop the Republicans?  I mean, hell, the whole Whitewater investigation was based on little more than that. They certainly had no proof. But did that stop them from trumpeting it on ever newschannel and launching an independent counsel investigation? Fuck no.

      I do not expect for us to give them any deference just because it is conjecture. The appearance of impropriety is SO there, and all you have to do is paint that picture for the American public. The Republicans, of course, will scream "conjecture" but the image will already be "out there" in the public's mind.

      I have no qualms, therefore, about this just because it is so-called "conjecture".

    •  Yes: Adding evidence can weaken a case (none)
      From a purely logical point of view, it makes no sense that adding evidence for something (e.g., that DeLay is a criminal) can do anything but strengthen the case.

      From a psychological point of view, however, people seem to reason that if evidence is presented, then it must be necessary for the case...but, if the evidence is weak, and the case still needs it, then all the other evidence must be even weaker. Then they stop listening.

      So, weak arguments can undermine stong arguments.

      Because of this, and the value of a simple, repeated message, it's usually best to pick a few strong points and hammer them (then hammer them again).

      I support decentralist media: ePluribus. You can too.

      by technopolitical on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 11:24:11 PM PDT

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  •  If Delay likes Russia so much... (4.00)
    Why doesn't he move there? (I've always wanted to say that to a RePUBlican)

    Liberty is THE issue

    by tooblue on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:24:32 PM PDT

  •  wow... (none)
    I have seen some shady, questionable actions by congressman in my quarter century as an adult...

    but none that walk the line of treason as close as this one does.

    Someone taking money from a foreign source when that foreign source is actively opposing American policy... and then that someone opposing the same policy.

    It sounds like bribery which coming from a foreign source would be treason... otherwise he has to claim EXTREME stupidity and ignorance.

    either way, he better resign if this proves true.

    "If you and I think exactly alike, one of us is unnecessary" "at least bleeding heart liberals have one"

    by wclathe on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:31:16 PM PDT

  •  None Dare Call It Treason (none)
    " In 1949, when Soviet propaganda was asserting that free Christian worship was being tolerated behind the Iron Curtain, the communists arrested Pastor Richard Wurmbrand in Rumania for secret Christian activities. He was in prison for 14 years and Sabina, his wife was imprisoned and enslaved in different work camps for over 3 years. Pastor and Mrs. Wurmbrand lived and wrote, first-hand of the horrors of communism that John Stormer was writing about to enlighten the American people in his book. What these saints went through at the hands of the communists is unimaginable."

    "Never give up, never surrender"

    by wonkydonkey on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:39:02 PM PDT

    •  None Dare Call it Not On Topic (none)
      Am I missing something here? What does this have to do with the subject at hand? Just color me confused.

      New Granada: tomorrow's

      by monkey knife fight on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:47:40 PM PDT

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      •  Thinking the best here (4.00)
        What I think that comment was trying to do is tie the mis-treatement of Christians by the Soviets to the good Christian DeLay.  wonkydonkey, please correct me if I am mistaken.

        Sell your cleverness; buy bewilderment.

        by lapin on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 12:51:59 PM PDT

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        •  Thank tou, lapin (none)
          ...for connecting the dots for me.

          Whenever possible I like to bring it to people's attention that the vehemently anti-Communist GOP, source of the House Un-American Activities Committee, Joe McCarthy and the 1950's inquisitions and blacklists, now openly cavorts with former KBG agents and is selling the country off one Treasury bond at a time to Red China.

          Many people had their lives ruined for no good reason the last time the Republicans controlled Congress on just accusations and inuendo.  Comparing those charges to the "collaboration" of today's GOP makes Tom Delay and George W bush "fellow travelers."

          "Never give up, never surrender"

          by wonkydonkey on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 01:15:03 PM PDT

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        •  lapin (none)
          howabout a tip jar? This is a very good diary...
  •  That termite, that hypocrite, that whore (4.00)
    that un-American, unpatriotic, greedy, self-interested bastard.

    Imagine if we had discovered before the election that Kerry had accepted shadowy lobby money to travel to Taliban-era Afghanistan before 9/11!  There would've have been call for public lynching.

    That buglike grandstander, that vile, pompous, arrogant, hubristic phony.

    Our venerable House of Representatives, beacon of our great democratic experiment, is led by an unpatriotic whore.

    All and any Republican congressmen who stand by him know must be made to feel the lead weight of his scandals sinking their own re-election prospects.

    Citizens and constituents: time to remind your elected Republican representatives of this.

    "The government is and me!" -Theodore Roosevelt

    by Republic Not Empire on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 01:02:07 PM PDT

  •  DeLay (none)
    That traitorous motherfucker ought to be fucking executed.
  •  Faint evidence of connection (none)
    But hey, it IS alot more solid than Bush's evidence for Saddam / AQ link... Not to mention Iraq's fictional WMD.

    Delay is our own "Curveball"!

  •  Change the headline (4.00)
    The title of this diary should be

    DeLay Conspired With Russians Against U.S.A. in '97

    I was going to add that DeLay should be locked in a prison cell with that kid who joined up with the Taliban when they were fighting Americans in Afghanistan.... but on second thought, that kid was just an extremely screwed-up kid, whereas DeLay is 100% subhuman scum.  DeLay deserves a far harsher punishment.

  •  These people. . . (none)
    These people are evil.
    Nothing matters to them but power.
    They will do anything, say anything, subpoena a brain-dead woman, for power, commit treason.
    They are completely amoral. Beyond evil.
    Our poor country.

    Like pygmies on the battlefield of history, we cower like whipped dogs in the face of political pressure. . . Robert Byrd 12/04.

    by Lords on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 01:37:59 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for covering this.. (none)

    Of course the RWCM will remain silent, not doing any kind of investigating themselves. - Until of course they can pin something on a Democrat.

    Thoughts from Connecticut

    by ctsteve on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 01:41:32 PM PDT

  •  the Pope (none)
    the one that just died, was also against the bombing of serbia, and he was against the iraq wars.

    if i remember correctly, there was a lot of wierdness back then. hawks became doves, doves hawks.

    being a democrat and a pacifist myself, i felt awful that my president would bomb the crap out of any country. i hated what was going on in serbia to be sure, but an aerial bombardment?

    the fundamentals in serbia/kosovo are still pretty much the same. the balkans have been abandoned to human and drug traffiking. i haven't heard any good news from there lately. almost every former head of state from all the factions are indicted war criminals.

  •  I believe (none)
    there is nice, cozy place in hell waiting for Mr. Gribble...

    Image hosted by

    er, I mean Delay.

    Sponge Bob, Mandrake, Cartoons. That's how your hard-core islamahomocommienazis work.

    by Benito on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 02:13:26 PM PDT

  •  Why do the Republicans hate America? (none)
    Treasonous bastards.
  •  F*ING COMMIE! (none)
    This is excellent! The Republicans have always been the better-dead-than-red, nationalist soapbox morons. Well, this shows that it's all an act. I will never stop reminding them that their leaders are paid by the Russian mafia. Unpatriotic pieces of crap. If you're a Republican, this is your fascist party.
  •  Cynical and Treasonous (none)
    That should be DeLay's next campaign motto. (If he isn't run out of town on a rail first)

    What's good for Tom DeLay is good for Texas and America, even if it means the deaths of innocent soldiers, the prolonged suffering of a Floridian or breaking every rule in the ethics book.

    What's so funny about Peace, Love and Understanding? - Elvis Costello

    by mungley on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 02:44:48 PM PDT

  •  The Delay trail (none)
    Track this:
    Chelsea Commercial Enterprises > Naftasib >  Konstantin Kagalovsky > IMF > Benex Worldwide > Peter Berlin....
    Oh my dear, there's plenty of money here for people like Delay
    •  I forgot to mention (none)
      ....all this money was sloshing about in 1997
      •  Here's another connection (3.50)
        The other bank involved in the funneling of billions in IMF funds for Russia (in 1997) was Bank of NY's  Bruce Rappoport.

         "Rappoport, an 80 year-old Swiss-Israeli banker and oil man with long links to the CIA and Israel's Labor Party, was one of William Casey's favorite golf buds while Casey ran the CIA. He was also (as the New York Times reported then) one of the Bank of New York's major shareholders when BONY was indicted for a multi-billion dollar Russian money laundering scam a few years ago. His name has been linked to Iran-Contra, BCCI, and a mysterious shipment of Israeli weapons to Colombian drug kingpins.

        The Times doesn't mention any of that, but does report that in order to grease the pipeline for Saddam with Israel, Rappoport retained E. Robert Wallach,

        a lawyer who was close to Mr. Meese, then the attorney general. Mr. Wallach later wrote a memo to Mr. Meese saying that some proceeds from the pipeline would go to Israel's ruling Labor Party.

        Given the Bechtel connection, you just have to wonder about Rappoport ties to Halliburton and, heck, let's speculate here, Enron, and, well, who knows who else.


        •  An extra special reason (none)
          for keeping the now famous "Cheney Energy" meetings so friggin' secret.

          I tried to do a search of The Moscow Times archives, but I'm not a paid subscriber, so I couldn't get complete articles.  Also the word DeLay brings up articles with the word "delay" and "delayed"

          A really interesting subject for, perhaps, the next big internet research project...

          •  Vorovskoi mir (none)
            It is unlikely we'll find a direct connection placing DeLay with the 'right' people in Russia  in '97. There's not much 'Freedom of Information' here - yet.

            But Googling names that radiate out from the Chelsea Communications connection brings a whole bunch of weird fish at two degrees of separation - including the former Russian Godfather of Godfathers.

            And it's interesting that a key player in all this - Menatap (Yukos/Mikhail Khodokovsky) - had Texas offices from where they tried to defend Yukos in US courts.

            Ubrat Delay!

            •  Getting closer to Vor DeLay (none)
              Yukos/Menatep filed for bankruptcy in S.Texas.

              According to Sovlink (24.12.04):
              "We must assume that the Texas judge came under very significant economic and/or political influence in her ruling. Texas is an oil state - it has provided the US with Presidents very friendly to the US oil industry. Khodorkovsky invested hugely in building relations with his neocon friends in Houston. The generous Yukos funding which so successfully corrupted a number of the US-based foundations presumably extended to Texas. Apparently, the recipients of their largesse are now doing their best to return the favour..."

              Can anyone find a link between the female S.Texas judge (name unknown to me, but you guys can find it) and DeLay?

              It would seal the deal started in 1997

              •  Interesting link (none)
                I hope I do this right...(it's my first-ever dkos link!)


                The last paragraph is worth noting. Sometimes two groups have differing reasons for creating the same outcome, eh?

              •  There were two (none)
                judges.  One rejected their bankruptcy case and one rejected appeals to freeze assets.  Also,the company apparently lost 60 percent of it's production recently.  I might argue that it's important to global security that big oil consumers (U.S., Russia, China) have access to oil.  As you are aware, we all get a bit wiggy without our hit of energy.

                It's such a complicated issue.  There are possibly good reasons for our officials to work with other countries on it---doesn't mean it's not dirty, just necessary.

                •  of course, many reasons... (none)
                  I can't find a DeLay connection to Houston bankruptcy court, but at the Russian end there's all sorts of stuff coming out of the woodwork.

                  I am trying to make a link between Delay, Serbia (the origin of the whole diary) and Chernomyyrdin who used threat of cutting off Gazprom energy supplies to control Slobodan in Serbia.

                  To be honest, the whole energy subtext is far more interesting to me than the fate of the Bugman - who impacts my life not one whit.

  •  Speaking of Treason: Do you remember (none)
    ..this story from the campaign almost a year ago?

    CBS' "60 Minutes" reported Sunday that Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward said Bandar promised Bush that Saudi Arabia will lower oil prices in the months before the election to help ensure the U.S. economy is strong on Election Day. Subsequently, Woodward said that the Saudis had hoped to keep oil prices low during the period before the election because of its impact on the economy.

    Oh, yeah, this was from before Memogate, when CBS still reported the reality-based news.

    Silly me.

    "Never give up, never surrender"

    by wonkydonkey on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 03:27:22 PM PDT

  •  A weak case. (none)
    There isn't really much here. Maybe not yet; it is possible that this connection existed, but so far it's all circumstantial and indirect.

    There's plenty of other stuff to nail DeLay on.. don't overreach.

    •  So what? (none)
      Make him take the time out of defending his other problems. Whether there turns out to be anything to it or not, it's a serious security question for someone in his position.

      The more time and energy Bugsy DeLay has to spend defending himself, the less damage he can do elsewhere.

      Might as well pile it all on, because it all has the same stench.

    •  keeping up the pressure (none)
      Both approaches can co-exist.
      1. Focused investigations where the facts are clear = The sniper picks the target.
      2. Circumstantial connections which raise doubts = the machine gunner using covering fire to keep the enemies' heads down.

      'News Management', as practiced by Rove et al, can be thwarted by overloading their system.
  •  lapin!! (none)
    OMG, I've gotten e-mail from the same guy!

    I should forward it to you.

    In fact, I complained to Yahoo, since it violates their terms of agreement.

  •  DeLay Kicks the Rhetoric up a Notch Thursday (none)
    Judiciary has `run amok,' DeLay says

    "The judiciary branch of our government has overstepped its authority on countless occasions, overturning and in some cases just ignoring the legitimate will of the people," DeLay said. "But I also believe the executive and legislative branches have neglected the proper checks and balances on this behavior ... Our next step, whatever it is, must be more than rhetoric."

    Better to burn out than fade away, eh Tom?!!!

  •  Your correspondent (none)
    forgot Volvo-driving, latte-sipping.

    You moron left wing American haters "censored" me and I was banned after 2 posts.. So much for "compassion" and allowing other opinions to partake in the conversation. But thats what you get from a bunch of baby killing terrorist supporting panty wearing tree hugging liberals.

    Interesting projection going on there. You can almost see the mouth foam and spittle through the pixels.

    There's a nice-ninny priest/at tea in everyone,/all cozy and chatty as auntie,/but a saint comes/and throws rocks through the window. -- John Ciardi

    by Mnemosyne on Thu Apr 07, 2005 at 06:12:18 PM PDT

  •  exterminate (none)
    the bugman

    hoist him on his own petard.

    but don't flush yet.  he has more desperate pronouncements.  let him wail, moan, pewl & spew.  I'm enjoying seeing him crawl on his belly in front of his fundie freakshow.

    Force the Repub Party to defend him.  After all, he represents them.

    "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler." Albert Einstein

    by x on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 01:05:58 AM PDT

  •  Tom Delay - paid agent of the KGB (none)
    That meme needs to spread

    ....but just make sure it's a woman. Chief Clancy Wiggams

    by calipygian on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 02:37:41 AM PDT

    •  Maybe not as funny as you'd think (none)
      This is one way you'd recruit someone of power.  Appeal to their ego, pay out the cash, get them to do smaller things they shouldn't.  I would be suprised if state security types were not involved in his visit.  Even if the company's lobbying were legit, it's still illegal.  It leaves him open to further exploitation.

      Imagine it the other way around... when the Soviet Union was a going concern, imagine the head of the Ukrainian party heading to the U.S. to meet with Halliburton and getting cash for it.  Tell me the CIA would let that contact die on the vine....

      Dear Lord, please save me from your followers

      by mz on Fri Apr 08, 2005 at 06:49:19 AM PDT

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