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there was talk about interviewing some witnesses today.  

anybody else watching?  liveblog with me in the sandbox here?

sideshow mel is speaking as i type, interviewing someone who is dissing on bolton's interpersonal skills. LOL

here is part 3 from yesterday, which has links to parts 1 & 2.

if you're a braver soul, the debate on negroponte's appointment is being followed in this diary. let's get that on the recommended list for when coverage resumes.

Originally posted to Cedwyn on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 08:34 AM PDT.

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  •  Carl Ford already gave testimony (none)
    But now he's ripping Martinez one, for accusing Ford of having a personal problem with Bolton.
  •  Thanks........ (none)
    Running commentary, like yesterday, would be fabulous for those of us at work who can't watch the proceedings.  Cmon guys, help us out here.  Yahoo News is saying Bolton's getting blasted.  Who, what, where, why?????

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 1500+ dead Americans, 100,000+ dead Iraqis, all on your head. WWJS?

    by Miss Blue on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 08:38:04 AM PDT

    •  ford is being relatively merciless (3.66)
      the main focus so far is that bolton apparently has a habit of, well, being an asshole.  it plays into yesterday's discussion of his harrassment of intel staff whose intel didn't meld to policy.

      so today, he is being reamed for unprofessional behavior, e.g. yelling and making personal attacks on very subordinate staff members.

      ford is emphatic in his opinion that bolton is unprofessional and not suited to the job.

      sarbanes just used the word "abusive."

      heh

    •  Ford was a fantastic witness. (none)
      Calm, honest, rational, just impeccable.  And he sounds like a great guy to work for.  A lot of the discussion was about his revulsion at Bolton for trying to bully a low-level employee.

      By the end even Lugar was sounding pretty dour about Bolton's chances.

      " I went to war for George W. Bush; I came home to vote for John Kerry." - Sam Poulton

      by whometense on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 12:34:04 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Carl Ford: tell us how you really feel (4.00)
    Wish I could watch this from work, but all I can do is read the articles...wow.


    WASHINGTON - A former chief of the State Department's bureau of intelligence and research castigated John R. Bolton on Tuesday as a "kiss-up, kick-down sort of guy" who abused analysts who disagreed with his views of Cuba's weapons capabilities.

    With Bolton's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations under Democratic attack, Carl W. Ford Jr. appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to support accusations of harassment.

    "I have never seen anyone quite like Mr. Bolton," Ford testified under oath. "He abuses his authority with little people."

    Contradicting Bolton's assertion Monday that he never tried to have officials who disagreed with him discharged, Ford charged that Bolton tried to sack the analyst, Christian Westermann, and that Bolton was a "serial abuser."


    "This...this is the fault of that Clinton Penis! And that powermongering wife of his!"

    by CaptUnderpants on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 08:41:23 AM PDT

  •  he's a mean guy (none)
    Bolton is truly hateful with subordinates.

    Bloggin Blagojevich's Blunders: do you want to see Roddy B challenged in the Dem Primary?

    by Carl Nyberg on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 08:42:57 AM PDT

    •  Not just subordinates (none)
      That's why the Dems really need to bring up Mohammed Al-Baradai. Baradai is not a subordinate to Bolton, but he was treated as such. And for pretty much the same reason. He was right. Bolton was wrong. Bolton would prefer to fire people who prove him wrong rather than actually listen to them.
      •  Hagel brought up ElBaradei yesterday (none)
        Nothin has come of it, but it was shocking to hear a prominent Republican bring it up.  The transcript for yesterday's hearing is here.

        http://FUGOP.Blogspot.com

        by dtmky on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 11:15:48 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Then he fits right in with these cowards (none)
        In the Bush administration you fail upward. FUBAR = Medal of Freedom. Dissenting opinion = Free to Go. I love watching the humans take on the zombies as much as anyone, but it looks like intelligence and common sense are still headed for the Congressional WC on this one. The hot bet is that the MF is going to be confirmed and then we'll all enjoy the CF up close and personal.

        Veering off course now with personal pet peeve:
        i'm in acronym mode (when i remember) in protest of the ever-growing sensitivities expressed here over "profanity." yesterday i actually read that someone was downrating a diarist for their "profanity-laced tirade." i sincerely hope this was sarcasm, because the diarist didn't use anything even close to my benchmark for profane. as you may rightly perceive, this issue is starting to stick in my craw... and elsewhere. Can we kill off Pollyanna soon? I'd like to talk about what we're talking about... and not veer off course (as I've done here) with someone's TA offense at the terminology. Or, we could just go on huffing and puffing at the center of this pointless CJ. Meanwhile, the real obscenity rolls on...

        Until we fix the voting, the voting is fixed.

        by deacon2 on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 11:22:04 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Bolton Blasted by Conservative Republican (4.00)
    Carl Ford, Former Asst Sec State for INR, has been blasting on Bolton for the incident with INR analyst Westermyer (sp?)

    "You can make him a personal advisor, but in my opinion DO NOT put him in a position where he is in charge of people -- he is a bully" says Ford of Bolton (or thereabouts)

    The Republicans on the committee have been trying to make it look like some kind of petty interpersonal dispute between Ford and Bolton

    Overall, if You all get a chance to watch this in rerun or online later -- it has been a GREAT couple hours of high theatre

    now we are just waiting for the long knives to come out for Ford (as they have for any Republican dissenter ...)

    •  yah.. (none)
      ford slammed martinez hard on the "oh, you just don't like bolton" crap.

      he said "no, i don't work like that" and went to town on bolton.

      lol

      •  Had me clapping out loud (none)
        It was a great moment wasn't it

        And it has been consistent that way, the Republicans have by and large been trying to dismiss his testimony, and they almost all have left an open door (as did martinez in this case) through which Ford went through and said "ok, but, simply, Bolton is a bully and unqualified to work with people"

      •  Cementhead being dumb--well, duh. (none)
        Watching Mel Martinez talk is like witnessing a car wreck.  Somewhere, Lawton Chiles is spinning in his grave.

        He's sticking up for Bolton because Rethug Master Control told him to.  That's all.

        Andy
        Sarasota

    •  Reruns on CSPAN (none)
      Cspan is running the hearings again at 3:00 EST.  It should be on CSPAN 3.  

      The streaming video should be up shortly on their website, if not already.

      http://FUGOP.Blogspot.com

      by dtmky on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 11:17:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  kerry up now (none)
    should be interesting.
  •  Please recommend this diary (none)
    This should be on the "recommended' list.

    Bloggin Blagojevich's Blunders: do you want to see Roddy B challenged in the Dem Primary?

    by Carl Nyberg on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 08:54:50 AM PDT

  •  Please recommend,,,,,,, (none)
    so it stays up here for the duration.

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine Pay attention Georgie - 1500+ dead Americans, 100,000+ dead Iraqis, all on your head. WWJS?

    by Miss Blue on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 08:56:21 AM PDT

  •  Bill Nelson, a stand up Democrat (none)
    I was at the Bolton hearing four years ago.

    Bill Nelson went after Bolton hard. I really gained respect for Nelson that day.

    Bloggin Blagojevich's Blunders: do you want to see Roddy B challenged in the Dem Primary?

    by Carl Nyberg on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 08:57:05 AM PDT

  •  BREAKING: Bolton is a BULLY (none)
    Ford: Don't put him in charge of people.
  •  Whats going on? (none)
    This is a plee from the desk bound
  •  biden is PISSED (none)
    holy!

    he's on about bolton re: iran

    "this could be the most significant vote we cast this year in terms of our national security."

    i might have messed that up a bit.

    "a man who lacks credibility...his conduct...the idea that he does not know how intelligence moves is astounding.  it's like me saying 'i don't know if my staff reads reports' - come on."

  •  Biden (none)
    "this may be the most significant vote in light of security"  (or close to that).

    (fellow Senators) This is the guy who handled in his portfolio arms control and nuclear proliferation....that's like me saying I didn't know staff wrote reports....comeon, this is a big deal guys and ladies.

    This is the guy who may have to take the case to the world on Korea, Iran, etc. based on intelligence.

    I believe this would be damaging to the United States of America.
    (parapharasing)

    ePluribusMedia Support citizen journalism!

    by kfred on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 09:13:28 AM PDT

  •  Biden up (none)
    Biden just said this isn't the guy to send to the UN when you need to convince the world that Iran/Korea are developing nukes...that this vote is the most important of the year.

    "This appointment is damaging."    

  •  Carl Ford (none)
    He knows he's been burned for anything else for his career.

    His sense is that they aren't surprised that if he were called there he would tell them what he thought.  Take him warts and all, he's always been that way.  He's also a Republican.

    ePluribusMedia Support citizen journalism!

    by kfred on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 09:18:02 AM PDT

  •  Damaging (none)
    Great work

    How could we ever build a coalition with this guy working at the UN.....I hope someone says that.

  •  Lugar (4.00)
    "I don't care if he's an asshole...Bush and Rice want him so who are we to say no?"  What a douche.  
    •  Lugar has no worries because (none)
      "Even if Bolton is confirmed (who again is an asshole), we have the President speaking for us, too, at the UN, so it's all good, y'all."  
      •  Bully A**hole or Silver-Toungued Liar? (none)
        So what is better for the next 4 years... a bully a**hole whom all our [current and former] allies and [previous and new] adversaries already hate, or a silver-toungued liar who can con other countries into joining coalitions for ill-conceived adventures?

        Maybe we're better off with the bull in the china shop rather than someone who peaches Peace while preparing for War, like Hitler did so effectively in the late 1930's.  (All I want is Peace... "a little piece of Poland, a little bit of France, a little slice of Turkey, a little spot of Greece..." -- paraphrased from To Be or Not To Be)

        Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
        Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

        by Caelian on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 09:38:18 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Anything new on how Feingold will vote? (none)
    Last thing I found that Feingold said, a few days ago, is that he probably will vote for Bolton -- for the same reason he voted for Ashcroft and for Bolton before, because a president has the right to appoint his own, etc.

    But Feingold seemed stunned by Bolton's replies to his questions yesterday, so stunned he was not (probably for other, personal reasons) as good as usual "on his feet" with followup.

    So anything new?

    •  Feingold not at todays hearing .... (none)
      However, from watching him yesterday, i can't see that he would be leaning to a 'yes' vote on Bolton, rather very much the opposite.

      I think my question though, is, was today's testimony enough to swing Chaffee!?

      •  I know . . . but do we know? (none)
        I know, I know, re yesterday's hearings -- but he hit hard at Ashcroft, too, yet said he was held to his principle of letting a president appoint his own people.  And as recently as two days ago, Feingold still was saying he could cross party lines on this vote again.

        So we know nothing new?  Except that he is uncharacteristically not at today's hearings. . . .  

      •  Chafee (none)
        The Times is reporting that Chafee is leaning toward voting for Bolton.

        I've always liked Lincoln Chafee, but if he votes for this asshole, that is reason enough to defeat him in '06.

    •  Feingold will oppose (none)
      Bolton lied about too many things to get Feingold's vote, I suspect.

      Bolton could lose more than one Republican which would make it easier for Chafee to vote "no".

      Bloggin Blagojevich's Blunders: do you want to see Roddy B challenged in the Dem Primary?

      by Carl Nyberg on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 09:49:13 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  No; at the time . . . (none)
        . . . Feingold had problems with Bolton.  But Feingold said, again, that his principle -- and he is a principled man -- is to vote for a president to pick his own people.

        I hope Feingold figures that he can split this principle, voting for a president's pick the first time but not again, if the selection proves unworthy for another position?

        •  I blogged about this quite a bit (none)
          over at the American Prospect.  (I'm Dave Meyer) I've heard that Feingold's vote is solid against Bolton.  It's really 10-8 for Bolton at this point, with Chafee the major candidate for defection, and Hagel a secondary candidate.  

          http://FUGOP.Blogspot.com

          by dtmky on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 11:21:52 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I guess they can't sway Lugar, (none)
            but he didn't sound too happy with Bolton during his wrap-up.  He made a lot of qualifying "if you are confirmed" type of statements.

            " I went to war for George W. Bush; I came home to vote for John Kerry." - Sam Poulton

            by whometense on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 12:39:02 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

          •  "if he sticks with the team, that is" (none)
            is what I found you saying; Paul Richter saying  that Feingold is still not "rock solid" with the Dems, etc. -- after the Senator himself saying a few days ago that he had not yet decided his vote.

            So what I'm asking for is whether Feingold has said more (not what others think he's thinking).

            If he has not yet said he is "rock solid" with the Dems, I think we need to ask him to do so.  And I'm one of his constituents, which is why I asked in the first place for updated facts (not opinions) on this, because constituents' email can get priority.

            So, again:  Please, if anyone has info on an updated statement by the Senator, say so . . . before I go ahead, if not, and write tonight.  

    •  Stupid Principle (4.00)
      It's one thing allowing the president to select his own chief of staff and legal counsel.

      Department secretaries, Atty Gen, and Ambassador to the UN are there to serve all the people (including all the residents of Wisconsin), not just the president.

      Normally I applaud Sen. Feingold, but I disagree on this one.

      Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
      Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

      by Caelian on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 10:21:58 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Reportedly (none)
      all 8 Dems are voting 'No.' That's why there was a lot of focus on Chafee, because his vote would essentially determine the fate of Bolton.

      Check out an IMPORTANT 2005 Race: Tim Kaine for VA Governor

      by jj32 on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 12:35:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  To Re-Air on C-SPAN at around 3 (4.00)
    For those of You that missed this ... truly, this was excellent high theatre ... You get to see the Republicans in all their arrogant self-serving glory -- to which they were shot down my their own kind ... Ford is a self confessed "conservative Republican' that voted and supports BushCo ... and some of the Republicans just can't take that ...

    anyway ...

  •  Ahhh... (none)
    exactly the sort of informed commentary I have come to expect from Kossacks.

    Thank you.

    Please visit my webby, www.stumpysfindings.com. A friend said, "I feel like I've entered a slick modern museum of cool stuff."

    by stumpy on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 09:59:48 AM PDT

  •  Missed the hearing.... (none)
    but thanks to the people that kept track of the events.
  •  thanks for the play by play (none)
    I'll check out the video later. Sounds really interesting!

    So...no more witnesses today and one more day of hearings for Bolton? Is that correct?

    "I have lived with several Zen masters -- all of them cats." - Eckhart Tolle

    by catnip on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 10:24:26 AM PDT

  •  Anything new on "being under oath"? (none)
    Yesterday, a number of people in the play-by-play here said that there was repeated questioning by senators to put on the record that Bolton was under oath. The implication was that there was going to be a Perry Mason moment where somebody catches him perjuring himself.

    I gather this hasn't happened yet. Do we still think it will?

    •  Biden brought it up (none)
      He basically threatened to subpoena all the people who have said Bolton is abusive. Pointed out there were 5 people who could corroborate Ford's testimony. At that point, he emphasized that Bolton had said under oath he didn't try to get the analyst fired.
  •  Ford was interesting.... (4.00)
    calling Bolton a "bully" and saying he should not be in a position of authority over other people.

    I gag every time I hear Bolton called a "diplomat" because he appears to be the complete antithesis of one, just like so many other Bu$hco appointees.

    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength
    Wolfowitz is a Humanitarian
    Bolton is a Diplomat

    "There are times in politics when you must be on the right side and lose." John Kenneth Galbraith

    by susanp on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 10:57:17 AM PDT

  •  Boxer (none)
    On Tuesday, Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-California, said, "I think Mr. Bolton needs anger management at a minimum and he does not deserve to be promoted."
  •  Senator Boxer: (none)
    "This is harassment in the workplace"

    This is great!

    Listen all of y'all it's a Sabotage! - Beastie Boys

    by See you out there on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 12:58:17 PM PDT

  •  Boxing match (none)
    Boxer summarizes Ford's comment as characterizing Bolton as a "serial abuser."  (I assume it wasn't  "cereal abuser".....)  
  •  Take Action (none)
    And sign Boxer's petition to reject Bolton.

    http://ga4.org/campaign/bolton/step1.tcl

  •  Write Lincoln Chafee re: Bolton! (none)
    I was aghast watching yesterday's Senate hearings on John Bolton for UN Ambassador, but my feelings went off the chart today, watching the second day, with Mr. Ford, a life-long republican who has stood up for principle, exposing the MO of Sec. Bolton: it's obvious that Bolton is not only a loose-cannon, but an arrogant, self-deluded ideologue and bully of the worst sort. Talk about a gathering threat, this guy is a clear and present danger: to the United States, and the world. PLEASE write Lincoln Chafee and any other possibly reasonable Republicans, urging them to oppose this extremist nomination.

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