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Well, it's official.  The provice of Ontario, CA passed up Michigan in manufacturing cars.

WHY??   According to Zakaria at Newsweek, it's the rising cost of health care.

As someone who's lived in Canada, I can say there are issues with the system up there.  However, I think it is a much more responsible system than the one down here & much more fiscally sound.

For all the neo-cons complaints about the costs of the Canadian system, the AMA did a research which showed that we in the US spend more than $200 billion more in admin costs alone vs. Canada.

I don't agree with all of Fareed's analysis but it is an interesting lead in to the health care crisis which NO ONE is addressing, esp. the idiot in the WH.

I have to tell you when I lived up there, I really learned to appreciate the fact that I didn't have to live in stress over my health & that if I got sick or needed to go to the hospital, I'd be taken care of -- & even though I was an American it was still going to be cheaper.

There are many benefits of Universal health:

  1.  It is overall cheaper than our current system (see AMA & related studies).

  2.  If you aren't afraid of health costs, you are not as apt to wait till shit hits the fan before going.  This keeps costs down b/c it's castrophic & serious conditions that blow up health costs.

  3.  The overall health of people is better b/c imagine (a) not living under the stress of health care costs & (b) they will go more often & do a better job of maintaining their health (& therefore avoid #2).

  4.  Prescription drugs are cheaper & futhermore there's not the incentive to prescribe them for everything.  This reduces the "pill for everything" culture that's pushed here & actually makes people try natural cures, like say ohhh, EXERCISE!?!?!?

1.  The hole (& please clarify guys) that I saw was in catastrophic or specialist care.  The line on that sometimes got long.  Private care, like here, was available but at a cost (which I think was similar to here).  

However, the horror stories of people dying in long lines was a neo-con myth as I saw it.  


Originally posted to krazypuppy on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 11:37 AM PDT.

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  •  Michigan's economy is in the tank (none)
    A study co-sponsored by the National Governors Association and the National Conference of State Legislatures ranks Michigan dead last in economic momentum over the last two years. The culprit: Michigan's reliance on heavy industry, especially autos.

    In politics, sometimes the jackasses are on your side.

    by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 11:40:33 AM PDT

  •  Interesting diary... (none)
    ...but the title does not convey your topic.

    Be the creature. (But not a Republican.)

    by boran2 on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 11:41:07 AM PDT

  •  Michigan is Hard-Hit by Declining Petroleum Output (none)
    Although we've been warning the "Big 2" about their gas-guzzling vehicles for many years now, the shit has finally hit the fan.

    Petroleum production is declining - and it will continue to.  Here in Colorado, gasoline is currently at $2.25/gallon.  This is going to seem quite cheap in a few years.

    The simple fact is that middle class people cannot afford to fill their GM/Ford vehicles' tanks any longer.  GM is already on the ropes, with their debt now lowered to "junk" status.

    We can expect to see the auto industry as we know it to disappear.  They are simply to far behind the power curve to deal with today's reality of high gas prices and short suppy.

    Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch...

    •  Generally I agree... (none)
      ...with you, but interestingly enough, Ford is actually first to market with a hybrid SUV, the Escape.  But it probably is a case of too little, too late.

      Be the creature. (But not a Republican.)

      by boran2 on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 11:52:41 AM PDT

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    •  Be careful what you ask for (none)
      If GM and Ford go under, you're talking about a lot of UAW jobs disappearing. And if that happens, Michigan could wind up being Mississippi with snow.

      In politics, sometimes the jackasses are on your side.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Tue Apr 12, 2005 at 11:59:07 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  There has been a great Diary on this (none)
    We had some nurses and people from Health Canada (me) basically giving Canada credit.

    Here is the link:

    Some editorial chose to compair Canada's Health Care system to a death row.

  •  Canada's Health care (none)
    ....Canada's system makes hard decisions but treats people fairly.  If you are sick and your life is in danger or your condition is not stable, you'll get in quickly.  If your condition is not life threatning and not degrading but remaining stable, you may have to wait.  Sure that wait is too long and Canada's is dealing with that.  Can you imagine all the Govenors of all 50 states getting together with the ADministration to solve anything....well thats how the 41 billion was given to the provinces... everyone envolved at a government level got together heard expert testimony and came up with a plan to fix the problem....It will NOT be perfect but it is better.

    Also we pay 2800 per capita for Health care
    You pay 5000 dollars and here are some key results

    4.82 deaths/1,000 live births (Infant Mortality)
    79.96 years Life expectancy
    0.3% AIDS Prevalance


    6.63 deaths/1,000 live births
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  •  So much for GOP Economics (none)
    Canada has high income taxes. Canada has high corporate taxes. Canada has Value-Added Taxes. Canada has high sales taxes. Canadian unions are strong. Canada has tax-supported single-payer health care. Canada has lots of corporate regulations. Canada has strict pollution regulations. Everything has to be translated into French. Canada has been governed by a center-left party for 10 years.

    Canada has every single thing Republicans warn us will destroy the U.S. economy.

    Canada now has our manufacturing jobs.

    •  We have all that (none)
      And 9 years of Budget surpluses.....still going by the way...our GDP is growing by 3.4% and inflation is 2.3%.  We are a net exporter:)

      But now our governemnt may have to call another election becasue they have been following Tom Delay's book for the politically crazy.

    •  Not to brag, but... (none)
      ...add to that a college/university system that costs about a third of the US system.

      There are defects in the Canadian health system, no doubt about it. But those aren't there because the system is dysfunctional, but rather, that the federal government and provincial governments are fighting over who should pay for what. If the money was where it should be, there'd be less waiting lines for elective and non-emergency surgery, and hospitals wouldn't get crowded.

      Those issues aside, I ca n't tell you how nice it is to know that I'll never have to sell my family home to pay for an illness or injury. I love the fact that if I get the sniffles, I can go see a doctor of my choosing, and pay nothing. I adore that my very lower-middle class job pays full health benefits that give me dental if I need it. I'm totally digging the fact that my pregnant wife can give birth at our choice of hospital, in a private room, at no charge to us - even if (god forbid) there are complications involved.

      I know a guy in Minnesota whose wife, while working at the family video store, slipped a disc and required surgery to correct the issue. Four surgical procedures and a whole lot of physio later, and the bill came in at $250,000. Thankfully, he had insurance.

      But the same procedures in Canada, with no insurance in place? (ahem) NO CHARGE! (applause)

      Come on, America. It's time you guys got what you're owed.

  •  Incredible (none)
    Thanks for pointing that out.

    We need to do something about that right now.

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