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Congratulations newly elected US Senator John Thune, thanks to you, South Dakota is earmarked to lose it's Air Force Base.....representing 2% of South Dakota's GDP.  http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=91611&section=News

Now if Tom Daschle would have been re-elected, at least South Dakota would have had a chance.  I hope every South Dakotan that voted for Thune (and Bush) now is happy.  I am glad that Bush received 60% of the vote from South Dakota.  It is great that HIS group recommended closing the base.  Remember, this presidency is not about financial situations, you just have to suck it up and swallow hard.

Any other reports of Base Closings?  Grand Forks, ND is also on the list.  List is due out at 10:30 et. Update [2005-5-13 10:26:58 by jalapeno]: here is the complete list. Thanks Rummy for affecting so many people. http://www.groovitude.net/crap/closingslist.pdf Update [2005-5-13 10:48:37 by jalapeno]: After looking at the list, over 50% of the cuts in numbers of people will be at the expense of the Grand Forks Air Force Base (ND) and the Ellsworth Air Force Base (SD). Over 20 years this will save the US $49 billion. We know a way to save $82 billion in one year right?

Originally posted to jalapeno on Fri May 13, 2005 at 06:49 AM PDT.

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  •  Dallas Morning News: (none)
    The Pentagon on Friday recommended closing Naval Station Ingleside, Brooks City Base, Lone Star Army Ammunition Plant, Red River Army Depot and several smaller military installations in Texas. However, Texas will also gain more than 9,000 military jobs around the state. Six other military bases will be realigned, including Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Naval Air Station Corpus Christi and Sheppard Air Force Base.

    http://tinyurl.com/bvnof :

    Rumsfeld also recommended closing the Naval Station in Pascagoula, Miss., which barely survived previous base closure rounds. The decision was a blow to Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., who had fought the 1995 round of closures. At stake are 844 military jobs and 112 civilian jobs.

    •  I'm surprised to see Red River on there (none)
      I saw a piece on the news not to long ago about Red River.  They are hauling all the wrecked and blown up humvees from Iraq back to Red River and they are using scrap pieces to rebuild those they can.  They have also been working on armor kits for humvees.  I guess they'll just junk everything and buy new stuff for Iraq.

      Ft. Hood is supposed to get around 5,000 more troops when they start bringing troops back from Germany.  Maybe they'll bring some MP's with them.  Ft. Hood has had to contract out the jobs of guarding the post to civilians.  The MP's were the first to ship out to Iraq.  Don't guess they ever came home.  Instead of jeeps, they rid around in police cars.  I sometimes wonder just how much money the DOD spends on civilian contracts on military bases.  

      •  CD, re (none)
        I sometimes wonder just how much money the DOD spends on civilian contracts on military bases.

        Just as much as the friendly local R congressworm wants them to spend.  

        "Never mind the trick, what the hell's the point?" Joseph Heller, Catch-22

        by wozzle on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:30:22 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  Fort Bliss (none)
      The El Paso Times says "Fort Bliss will gain an additional 11,500 soldiers and civilian jobs in the coming years under a Pentagon plan to be announced this morning, making El Paso the second-biggest winner in the proposed Base Realignment and Closure process." It then goes on to give Kay Bailey Hutchinson all the credit - she gets on my last nerve with all her form letter replies to my complaints.

      Don't get me wrong, El Paso's economy really can use a boost from this, we have a 8% or worse unemployment rate here. However, most of our gains are at the cost of others losses. The real reason they wouldn't ever get rid of Fort Bliss is because it's right on the border, they have tons of desert land for drills and testing and wouldn't you know the Middle East has a lot of sand too! But hey lets give credit to Hutchinson!

      Of course Fort Bliss is in sad need of updating. The housing is pathetic and now they're going to increase the number of soldiers living here so I hope they pay to make improvements while they're at it.

  •  boston.com: (none)
    The U.S. Naval Submarine Base in Groton is on the Pentagon's list of proposed base closures, The Associated Press has learned.

    Pentagon officials planned to release their recommended list Friday morning and also recommended closing a U.S. Army Reserve Center in New Haven and realigning an Air Guard station at Bradley International Airport.

  •  Gee (none)
    this is sort of like what happened in the northeast about a generation ago.

    Good luck converting those bases.  We sure had a fun time trying.  /snark

  •  You reap what you sow. (none)
    I hope Thune was worth it South Dakota.  

    Can this actually put Tim Johnson in danger?  Or Herseth?  Just what these bastard's do best.  Screw the people and then tell them we're to blame for it.

    Democrats are defenders of equality, opportunity, and justice. We are responsible to our nation, and believe our nation should responsibly lead the world.

    by zubalove on Fri May 13, 2005 at 06:57:46 AM PDT

    •  I don't know about SD (none)
      but closing the Air Force Base in Grand Forks ND is a direct shot at Senator Kent Conrad (D) who happens to be up for re-election in ND next year.  I am sure they are going to use this against him and Congressman Pomeroy.  Since Mississippi is losing a base, expect Sen. Dorgan (D-ND) and Lott (R-MS) to fight the report.  They will mandate closing overseas facilities first.  Last time it failed by 1 vote.  Not this time.
      •  Grand Forks isn't closing... (none)
        ...it's getting realigned.  The planes there are being shipped off to other AF bases.  Granted, that's not much of a comfort for the 2000+ workers who just lost their reason for being in Grand Forks, but it's not an outright closure.
  •  Blue States vs Red States (none)
    It will be interesting to see the breakdown of closures in the blue states vs. the red states.
    We all know that us blue state libs subsidize the red state cons with our federal tax dollars.  Defense dollars going to the Sunbelt is a major reason why.  Here in Penna. we down to zilch as far as military installations.....and it looks like we're gonna lose Willow Grove Naval Air Station.....where my brother and I both served proudly in the USN and USMC.
    •  Besides Red vs Blue (none)
      consider states with Democratic senators up for re-election.....a major blow to them as well in 2006
      •  Jersey hit hard (none)
        Ft. Monmouth closing w/ 5000 personnel gone...
        •  I live close to the Picatinny Arsenal... (none)
          ...which is actually gaining 700 jobs, but as you say, at the expense of Fort Monmouth.  All in all NJ's losing about 4000 military jobs.  I know closing Picatinny would've screwed the local area, I can't imagine what it's like in Fort Monmouth this morning.

          I had heard that the base realignment was going to be in accordance to geographical threats.  If this is true, why shut down any base close to NYC?  

          •  basically... (none)
            any bullshit excuse in a storm?  they're going to have a lot of people pretty pissed off with these closures so i'm figuring they need some sort of cover... umm. national security, umm. oh shit.. umm. runaway bride, over there!

            You can lead an elephant to water but you can't make 'em think.

            by bill in wa on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:00:12 AM PDT

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      •  call me cynical.. (none)
        but i don't necessarilly think this is a bad thing...

        short term, yes, bad.

        but if you think in terms of the support that comes out of these bases and whom these people typically vote for, then having a base removed from your community means you've just lost a main contributor to the republican agenda in your state.

        i can't imagine how blue this state would be if the military wasn't the .. i think 6th largest employer in the state.

        You can lead an elephant to water but you can't make 'em think.

        by bill in wa on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:53:45 AM PDT

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    •  Red vs. Blue breakdown (none)
      A ran a spreadsheet based on job gains or losses per state. It's posted as a diary.
    •  It won't be as drastic as you think... (none)
      ....many, many blue state bases have already been closed. For instance, here in the Bay Area we ain't got nuthin. Oh, there's a satellite tracking facility that's like the #1 or #2 nuke target in the country, but that's about it!

      For Dubya, REFORM=DESTROY, and FREEDOM=CORPORATE COLONIALISM

      by Doug in SF on Fri May 13, 2005 at 09:11:29 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  haha! (none)
        Now that I've seen the list, I notice that the tracking facility is on there!

        For Dubya, REFORM=DESTROY, and FREEDOM=CORPORATE COLONIALISM

        by Doug in SF on Fri May 13, 2005 at 09:13:13 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Blue states (none)
        I'm reading the latest story on how Clovis, NM is trembling over the BRAC list.  "It'll kill Clovis" (their base got closed)  "we have nothing but the base" -

        Well, welcome to our world (the world of the northeastern blue states)  You guys never had to think about diversifying your economy until now.  I think the southern and western communities will do better because they have a weather advantage and other tax and economic advantages, but time to start scrambling for a living like the rest of us do.

  •  from the Guardian via AP (none)
    A list obtained by The Associated Press of military facilities the Defense Department recommended for closure Friday:

    Alabama:

    Abbott U.S. Army Reserve Center, Tuskegee

    Anderson U.S. Army Reserve Center, Troy

    Armed Forces Reserve Center, Mobile

    BG William P. Screws U.S. Army Reserve Center, Montgomery

    http://tinyurl.com/9rgqq
    Fort Ganey Army National Guard Reserve Center, Mobile

    Fort Hanna Army National Guard Reserve Center, Birmingham

    Gary U.S. Army Reserve Center, Enterprise

    Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Montgomery

    Navy Reserve Center, Tuscaloosa

    The Adjutant General Bldg, AL Army National Guard, Montgomery

    Wright U.S. Army Reserve Center

    Alaska:

    Kulis Air Guard Station

    Arizona:

    Air Force Research Lab, Mesa

    Allen Hall Armed Forces Reserve Center, Tucson

  •  Portsmouth Naval Shipyard on closure list (none)
    Public radio reports that Sen. Gregg has so announced.

    Collins (ME) and Sununu (NH) have not yet stated their intentions on the Nuclear Option.

    I've got blisters on my fingers!

    by Elwood Dowd on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:04:13 AM PDT

  •  more of list: (none)
    that links Page two didn't open, here's another:

    A list obtained by The Associated Press of military facilities the Defense Department recommended for closure Friday:

    Alabama:

    Abbott U.S. Army Reserve Center, Tuskegee

    Anderson U.S. Army Reserve Center, Troy

    Armed Forces Reserve Center, Mobile

    BG William P. Screws U.S. Army Reserve Center, Montgomery

    Fort Ganey Army National Guard Reserve Center, Mobile

    Fort Hanna Army National Guard Reserve Center, Birmingham

    Gary U.S. Army Reserve Center, Enterprise

    Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Montgomery

    Navy Reserve Center, Tuscaloosa

    The Adjutant General Bldg, AL Army National Guard, Montgomery

    Wright U.S. Army Reserve Center

    Alaska:

    Kulis Air Guard Station

    Arizona:

    Air Force Research Lab, Mesa

    Allen Hall Armed Forces Reserve Center, Tucson

    Arkansas:

    El Dorado Armed Forces Reserve Center

    Stone U.S. Army Reserve Center, Pine Bluff

    California:

    Armed Forces Reserve Center Bell

    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Oakland

    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, San Bernardino

    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, San Diego

    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Seaside

    Naval Support Activity Corona

    Naval Weapons Station Seal Beach, Detachment Concord

    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Encino

    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Los Angeles

    Onizuka Air Force Station

    Riverbank Army Ammunition Plant

    Connecticut:

    Sgt. Libby U.S. Army Reserve Center, New Haven

    Submarine Base New London

    Turner U.S. Army Reserve Center, Fairfield

    U.S. Army Reserve Center Maintenance Support Facility, Middletown

    Delaware:

    Kirkwood U.S. Army Reserve Center, Newark

    Florida:

    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Orlando

    Navy Reserve Center, St. Petersburg

    Georgia:

    Fort Gillem

    Fort McPherson

    Inspector/Instructor, Rome

    Naval Air Station Atlanta

    Naval Supply Corps School, Athens

    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Columbus

    Hawaii:

    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Honokaa

    Idaho:

    Navy Reserve Center, Pocatello

    Illinois:

    Armed Forces Reserve Center, Carbondale

    Navy Reserve Center, Forest Park

    Indiana:

    Navy Marine Corps Reserve Center, Grissom Air Reserve Base, Bunker Hill

    Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Indianapolis

    Navy Reserve Center, Evansville

    Newport Chemical Depot

    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Lafayette

    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Seston

    >

    Iowa:

    Navy Reserve Center, Cedar Rapids

    Navy Reserve Center, Sioux City

    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Dubuque

    >

    Kansas:

    Kansas Army Ammunition Plant

    >

    Kentucky:

    Army National Guard Reserve Center, Paducah

    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Lexington

    Navy Reserve Center, Lexington

    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Louisville

    U.S. Army Reserve Center, Maysville

    >

    Louisiana:

    Baton Rouge Army National Guard Reserve Center

    Naval Support Activity, New Orleans

    Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Baton Rouge

    Roberts U.S. Army Reserve Center, Baton Rouge

    Maine:

    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Limestone

    Naval Reserve Center, Bangor

    Naval Shipyard Portsmouth

    Maryland:

    Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Patuxent River

    Navy Reserve Center, Adelphi

    Pfc. Flair U.S. Army Reserve Center, Frederick

    Massachusetts:

    Malony U.S. Army Reserve Center

    Otis Air Guard Base

    Westover U.S. Army Reserve Center, Citopee

    Michigan:

    Navy Reserve Center Marquette

    Parisan U.S. Army Reserve Center, Lansing

    Selfridge Army Activity

    W.K. Kellogg Airport Air Guard Station

    Minnesota:

    Navy Reserve Center Duluth

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050513/D8A2B3180.html

  •  Full List (PDF) (4.00)
    I have one online here:
    Base Closing Recommendations - 13 May 2005 (108 KB .PDF)

    Maine is hit somewhat hard - roughly 4,500 civilians cut and 2,300 military folk re-assigned.  I live near BNAS and I know people who work there.  This sucks already, without even considering the blow our local economy will suffer.

    If Rush digs prescription drugs, what's Hannity's excuse?

    by fivesideagon on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:05:52 AM PDT

    •  Florida dodged a bullet (none)
      payback for turning Red...and brother Jeb...
    •  What does "realign" mean? (none)
      The base in my hometown-- one that the population is way too dependent on, btw-- is noted as a realignment.

      Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life. -James Wolcott

      by latts on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:21:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I believe it means consolidating (none)
        with other bases and/or eliminating duplicate services. The base wouldn't be closed, but likely there woulkd be loss of employees, personnel, funding.

        See NY Times articles

        List of bases

        Article

        Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

        by willyr on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:25:52 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Ah, thanks (none)
          well, that means that the locals will still be screaming bloody murder back home, I imagine.  

          Whenever a Voice of Moderation addresses liberals, its sole purpose is to stomp out any real sign of life. -James Wolcott

          by latts on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:10:47 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  Like looking at Leonard-Wood (none)
        in Missouri 181 military jobs lost, either eliminated or transferred to other installations, but they gain 87 military jobs and 2 civilian contracts from other bases because of the need of L-W or due to expediency of having these consolidated for training or mobility purposes.

        "Religion's in the hands of some crazy ass people..." Jimmy Buffett

        by Show Me Dem on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:45:14 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Cannon AFB in New Mexico (none)
    Here's the story.

    Kirtland AFB and Holloman AFB are scheduled for "realignment".

    Can someone tell me what that means?

    •  Bringing troops back (none)
      It's part of their plan to close a bunch of overseas bases and bring the troops home.  They are going to be spreading them around or realigning them to bases all around the US.  
      •  Ok, thanks (none)
        Kirtland is in Albuquerque, where I'm from.

        Um, it's outside Albuquerque, that is.

        •  Actually. . . . (none)
          Kirtland is considered part of Albuquerque--although it's definitely on the southern end of town (right next to the "Sunport"). [I'm a new resident of ABQ--one more point of blue in a sea of purple. . . .]
          •  Make Sure and Make Friends (none)
            And get the Democrats out to vote.

            NM has long been a big player in the govt bucks area, from DOD to BIA to DOE.

            •  Hunting down "blue" votes (none)
              Thus far, it seems most of the people I've met and worked with here are fairly left-wing. My workgroup is (at least on its face) incredibly anti-Shrub: most of them wouldn't be able to get past the door at a Bush "town meeting." About the only people who didn't vote Democrat were the ones who aren't eligible to vote (foreign citizens).

              I'll do my best to snare any wayward D's who didn't vote, and try and mix things up.

              P.S. Sorry for the double posting.

        •  Actually. . . . (none)
          Kirtland is considered part of Albuquerque--although it's definitely on the southern end of town (right next to the "Sunport"). [I'm a new resident of ABQ--one more point of blue in a sea of purple. . . .]
          •  I always think of it (none)
            as "outside" Albuquerque, because that's pretty much the way it was when I was a little kid, way back in the 1970s.

            My grandfather was acting base commander for a while.  I spent a lot of time out there.

            Oh, and welcome to NM.  I'm in Europe now, but will be back soon.

            •  Thanks. (none)
              I'm from the Northeast (born in NJ, grew up in CT, went to college in CT and MA), so these last few months here in the "Land of Enchantment" (and "the Time Zone Television Forgot") have been quite an adjustment.
  •  5000+ jobs to be cut at Walter Reed? (none)
    WTF?
  •  Santorum got (none)
    Willow Grove Naval AFB and the 911th Airlift Wing Air Force closed in PA.  Link here.

    Dunno about the Pittsburgh one, but the Willow Grove closure hurts here in SE PA.

    In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for. As for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. -HL Mencken

    by sq1 on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:20:23 AM PDT

  •  please recommend (none)
    before it gets bumped off of the front page.
    Thanks!
  •  Rome, NY (none)
    Lost a quarter of its population when Griffiss AFB closed after 1993.

    Now it looks like something else in Rome is getting the ax as well.

    Rome being one of the red areas of upstate NY.  No doubt it will remain loyally red.

  •  look at the end of the listings (none)
    shows 13,000 personnel eliminated from "Germany, Korea and undistributed".... have to wonder what percentage of those 13,000 are in S. Korea and what that means in terms of recent activity by Pyongyang....

    you would think the US would want to beef up that border but is this a tactical play?

    •  US Forces Korea (none)
      The unit being realigned is the 2nd Brigade Combat Team of the 2nd Infantry Division.  The BCT is currently in Iraq, and will be stationed at Fort Carson, CO when its tour is up in October.
      That leaves one BCT in Korea with 54 tanks and 54 Bradley IFVs.  One assumes that the other brigade set, belonging to 2BCT will either be sent to Carson, or put into long-term contingency storage in Korea, but I don't know.

      "Michael Savage is the concience (sic) of the conservative movement"--Free Republic Poster

      by soonergrunt on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:14:00 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  so they're consolidating (none)
    because they figure there'll be so many of their people and materiel deployed overseas for the conceivable future? Just report to your nearest Bechtel post for trans-shipment.
  •  Rummy a no show? (none)
    I could be wrong, but I don't think Rumsfeld even bothered to show up at the press conference. If he's there, sorry, but if I'm right and he didn't show up: what a slap in the face to all the effected people that he couldn't even bother to bear the negative public consequences of his actions. I mean, a lot of these bases problem should be closed, but it's still a sad day and Rumsfeld should have had the guts to break the news personally at the presser. Kinda reminds me of the autopenned condolence letters -- when it comes to walking and walk Rummy runs away. Whatta jerk.

    GOP = Grandstanding Old Party

    by Addison on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:41:04 AM PDT

    •  Walking and walk (none)
      Uh, walking the walk, is obviously what I meant. When it comes to "walking and walk" Rumsfeld becomes so confused and disoriented at the crappy nonsense syntax that he passes out.

      GOP = Grandstanding Old Party

      by Addison on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:42:28 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Georgia's getting hit hard this time (none)
    Havent lived here long, but apparently we've escaped in the past. But not this time. MSNBC.com has more on the economic implications of the closings.

    Making John Bolton UN Ambassador is like making Michael Jackson a Boy Scout Troop leader.

    by jj32 on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:41:47 AM PDT

  •  you know (none)
    I can think of a way to save 82 billion in just one year, rather than 40 or so over twenty years.

    "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." ~ George Washington

    by guyermo on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:42:34 AM PDT

  •  there's always opportunity (none)
    at the new permanent bases being built in Iraq..

    http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2005/03/enduring_bases_iraq.html

    I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take this anymore!

    by MarkinNC on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:42:53 AM PDT

  •  Does the timing of this anouncement (none)
    have anything to do with the Nuclear Option and Bolton nominations?

    Is this a shot across the bow to any Republicans who are planning to cross party lines?

    Are Ohio basis being spared thanks to Voinovich's decision to pass Bolton on to the Sentate?

    I'm curious to see how this all plays out.  I strongly suspect that those who fall in line on the Repub side will see some reduction of closures in their districts.

    •  Cleveland (none)
      got hammered...over 1000 jobs going elsewhere.

      "Dude, Wheres the soul of the Democratic Party"

      by marcvstraianvs on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:47:28 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It takes a couple of years to make this list (none)
      As the services research and declare what is essential, what is necessary, and what is excess.  To do this, they have to decide where they want to be, capability-wise, in several years, instead of today.
      The likelyhood that this has anything at all to do with the Bolton hearings is vanishingly small.

      "Michael Savage is the concience (sic) of the conservative movement"--Free Republic Poster

      by soonergrunt on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:22:27 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Strange choices (none)
    Why did they hit so many in PA? That won't help Santorum.
  •  Seneca Army Depot (4.00)
    Seneca Army Depot in Romulus, NY, has been derelict since the 1990s after the round of closings then.  There has been an interesting side effect:  a herd of pure white deer.

    There's talk of turning it into a combination nature, hunting and military history preserve.

    •  Good use for former Cruise Missile storage site (none)
      The Seneca Army Depot was also the focus of one of the largest Nuclear Freeze demonstrations in 1983, and The Women's Encampment for a Future of Peace and Justice

      Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

      by willyr on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:20:34 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Seneca Army Depot (none)
        I don't know how many jobs were lost when it closed - probably not many; it was a depot, after all - but I think it sure put a lot of the local peaceniks out of business (no place to demonstrate!)

        I'm sure there are any number of snake oil developers who have their eyes on the site, but the proposed use makes sense for the area, which is already heavy on recreational and history tourism anyhow.  

        Apparently the Army prompted some artificial selection of the deer; they would cull the regular brown ones in favor of the white ones.  Guess it gets boring out on the Depot...

  •  Mansfield, OH (none)
    Closing both the air and army reserve bases at Lahm airport...1486 reserve company just got back from Iraq, including some friends of the family.  I'm quite sure they aren't going to be too pleased with this.

    "Dude, Wheres the soul of the Democratic Party"

    by marcvstraianvs on Fri May 13, 2005 at 07:51:20 AM PDT

  •  Detail on the Groton subbase (none)

    Detail on Groton Subbase Closing

    Democrats and Republicans here are both completely shocked.  Governor Rell (R) vows to fight.  Sen. Lieberman (D) & CT2 Rep Simmons (R) are also committed to keeping the base.  Apparently, the final word on the base closing  will be given in September.

    Senator Lieberman is for once right.  He says that we have obviously learned nothing from Pearl Harbor and from 9/11.  When you have an enemy who can attack us here in the USA, you are beyond foolish to be putting all your submarines at one base where they are easier to destroy in a single attack.

    Wait a minute; I have to adjust my tinfoil hat around my ears.  Ah, it fits nicely now; reception is good.
        This ridiculous move by BRAC makes a great possible political move by the Republicans.  CT may vote blue in Presidential elections, but it has a Republican governor and a Republican Congressional delegation (3 R's to 2 D's).  What a great forum for them to demonstrate effectiveness if they succeed in saving Groton just prior to beginning their reelection campaigns.  Rell is up for election in 2006, as of course, is the whole House.

    However, if these closings are really done, Simmons is definitely toast, and perhaps Rell as well.  Given the NYT article about Republican moderates getting a clue and finally feeling Threatened, Republicans may not regard either Rell or Simmons as a plus, and are happily cutting them loose in the hope of getting theocrats elected her in CT instead.  

    •  makes Leiberman more (none)
      vulnerable to a primary challenge. Simmons is toast. I don't think it will effect Rell.

      All in all, not so bad for Democrats unless it is a setup. List Groton for closing in May and allow a "save" in September?

      SOCIAL SECURITY: Invented by Democrats yesterday, Protected by Democrats today

      by mollyd on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:21:10 AM PDT

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      •  Hell, Even Extreme Liberal (none)
        Rep. Sam Gejdensen (D-CT) never managed to lose the entire Groton Subbase.  Bet the district wishes he was back.  At least he yelled real good and created a massive stink everytime the Navy sent more subs to be made down in Virginia.

        Maybe Lieberman will find his wife another lobbyist job with General Dynamics as payback for his not fighting the sub base closing.

  •  Your Tax Cuts at Work n/t (none)

    Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. -Albert Einstein

    by Primordial Ooze on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:02:04 AM PDT

  •  Power (none)
    It's really all about power, not politics.  Thune and SD get screwed.  Meanwhile, Syracuse's Hancock Field installation gets saved when so many other upstate NY installations got the ax.  Why?  Because Jim Walsh is now chair of the military appropriations subcommittee (he was formerly on the housing subcommittee).

    Membership has its privileges.

  •  90 Reserve bases gone (none)
    Why are they closing so many reserve bases? Is it in preparation for a draft? I just don't get the thinking behind these closings.
  •  Request for Assistance (none)
    Can someone with access to a good dyanmic Congressional map generator create an overlay of proposed base closings?

    The Ellsworth closing aside, I wonder if a very interesting pattern might emerge . . .

    ~

    On the whole, I think base closings are something that need to be done.  It's a really tough thing for the communities and people involved (my own family is almost certain to lose jobs), but in the end, the military should be about defense, and not jobs.  If it can exist in a more efficient manner, it should.  The rest of the economy could use the resources.

  •  Contrarian voice here. (4.00)
    I for one will cheer every time a base is closed.  The Pentagon money should be used for defense, and should be spent in the most efficient way possible, rather than as a jobs/pork program.

    Every time a community loses its military base that's one more community that's no longer suckling on the military-industrial complex.  Every base closing is another drop added to the bucket that we can one day pull out of the current militarism and make a better world.

    So I say bring on the closings.  Hell, close some more while you're at it.  All would be nice.

    Can we borrow some Ukrainians to teach us about how Democracy is supposed to work?

    by Go Vegetarian on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:18:31 AM PDT

    •  exactly (none)
      I have always wondered why Conservative or Libretarians have n't jumped on the less military is better band wagon.

      Of course we need to defend our country and our interests but just throwing money at Military isn't the solution -spending 10 times more on military doesn't give you an army that is 10 times better..

      - Military spending is actually the biggest waste of government spending possible.
      i mean if you built roads, schools or even gave money to people in poverty , the money would be used in a more efficient way than military spending .think about it.. let's say you spends millions to build a bomb - there are two uses for it .. it either sits in a warehouse where all this design and production costs you end up with a giant paper weight OR you use the thing and then you have to build another one.

      i applaud these base closing and hope that more are on the way.

  •  HAHAHAHAHAH!!! HA HA!! (none)
    HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    Hope all those Gooper voters lose their houses just in time for the bankruptcy laws to ruin their lives forever.

    •  Wow, such an enlightened approach (none)
      Ever considered the actual folks who work on these bases?  I can tell you that the folks working at Ft. Gillem (southside Atlanta) that will be hardest hit are some of your most reliable Democrats around.  But you know what?  That doesn't matter.  They're people. People trying to make a living loading trucks, sweeping, and just working hard.

      But it's okay if they're Republicans?  Dude, get out of my party.  That kind of myopia would make you a far better fit over there.

      •  People, jobs, conversion..always ignored (none)
        What always seems to be left out of these base closure decisions is any effort by Congress to convert these bases to productive civilian uses. Sometimes it happens, but rarely.

        It would be a BIG winning issue for a candidate for office to commit to protecting the people and economies of these areas by devoting funds to conversion.

        Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

        by willyr on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:49:49 AM PDT

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  •  A snarky comment (4.00)
    Since when did military bases become welfare programs?

    Since Southern politicians like the late Mendel Rivers loaded up Charleston, SC with military pork.

    But why do we defend this practice.

    Investing in superfluous military bases is not the way to grow an economy.

    The revolution starts now--in your own back yard, in your own home town

    by TarheelDem on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:29:34 AM PDT

    •  Have a 4 for that snark Carolina (none)
      I completely agree: Top brass in the military defending the public good in a life or death struggle against whacked out elected officials hellbent on saving and increasing public spending on every military program they can hit with a dead cat.
      Talk about the world turned upside down?    
  •  Military Closings in CA (none)
    The base closings in the last round hit CA hard.  The state came up with creative solutions to help the areas hardest hit, and luckily we had a tech boom just after that to help fund projects like California State Monterey Bay, which is located on the former Fort Ord site.  These closings will be painful, but with good planning things can go well in the hardest hit areas.  CA is stil a major military state, but mainly in southern CA and not as heavily as we once were.  

    As far as I am concerned the base closings are good for areas that need new economic stimulus, but only if the governement steps in to help those hardest hit.  I don't ever agree with the governement doing away with one program just to leave citizens languishing, even if it does mean a smaller concentration of the military in my home state.

  •  What's the Deal With Military Medical Support (none)
    What struck me most about this report is the hit that military medical support seems to be taking.  There are three major military medical facilities listed in the report.  They are listed here with the associated BRAC impact:

    Naval Medical Center San Diego (Balboa): minus 1630
    Walter Reed Army Medical Center: minus 5630
    National Naval Medical Center (Bethesda): plus 1889

    That leaves 5371 military medical related jobs gone.  While contracting out to civilian support has been discussed, I'm not aware of any programs in the works that would make this happen.  Also, I believe that the civilian medical facilities in the areas would be hard pressed to bear the burden of the additional patient loads.  I know that it is already tough to get a Tricare appointment in anywhere near a timely manner in several stateside geographic locations.

    I'd like to see the reasoning behind this part of the proposal, as it certainly doesn't seem to support the troops...

    "...without a Respectable Navy, Alas America!" - John Paul Jones

    by Peace Monger on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:39:33 AM PDT

  •  Not closing: Detention Camps (none)
    A string of WW II Prisoner of War facilities have bben maintained on standby for housing civilian undesirables in a potential roundup. the last time they were used was for Cubans released from Castro's prisons back in the Carter Administration. My first glance thru the list shows these will be maintained.

    I am not currently Licensed to Practice in this State. Or Yours.

    by ben masel on Fri May 13, 2005 at 08:58:48 AM PDT

  •  I'm astounded... (4.00)
    ...by the support for military welfare on this board.  I personally am applauding the reorganization and restructuring of our military domestically and abroad.  One of the few things this administration has done at least partially right.  There is no reason to maintain an inefficient system of bases to fight the Soviet threat.  Times have changed and it makes perfect sense to be continually evaluating our military infrastruct no matter which administration is in power.  I despise Bush as much as all of you, but it makes no sense to attack everything he does, just because his administration did it.

    While I agree that the money could be saved in other ways as well (i.e. getting rid of the tax cuts), anything that results in more efficient military spending is a positive in my book.  So I'm just asking you people to think a little before you immediately start throwing mud on a logical proposal and also before you troll rate me.

    •  I agree that consolidation is best when practical. (none)
      However, I also understand the concern that many people have about the economic impact these changes will have on some areas.  After a cursory review of the list, I'd say that the Maine and New Hampshire area will suffer the worst economic impact due to the loss of Portsmouth Naval Shipyard.  The 4000 civilian jobs there are a key part of the economy and will hit both states very hard.  It will be interesting to see how long it takes to put the shipyard back to work in a civilian capacity.

      The second worst impact will probably be Ellsworth AFB in South Dakota.  I'm not sure what this base could be converted to, as there is no large population clamoring for the land or services, like there has been in many of the successful reutilization efforts (i.e. Lowry in Denver).

      Bases closing may make economic sense for the country as a whole, but it isn't much different from companies closing plants and sending jobs elsewhere...especially in the eyes of workers who are losing their jobs through no fault of their own.

      "...without a Respectable Navy, Alas America!" - John Paul Jones

      by Peace Monger on Fri May 13, 2005 at 09:28:12 AM PDT

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      •  you are correct (none)
        I completely understand the anger of the people living and working in the communities where the bases are being closed.  They are welcome to vent on here if they please.  However, it is another thing entirely when a kossack living in San Franciso is complaining that the DoD should not be closing a base in South Dakota.  This will of course have an impact in some communities, but it's something that needs to be done.
  •  Looks like McConnell (none)
    got Fort Knox by another round. Knox is still a primary basic trainee destination but it's slid a long way from its glory days.

    I noticed a lot of reserve posts getting whacked. My assumption is that reservists won't be necessary in the next twenty years being as everybody that either volunteers or is drafted will be sent to Iraq to protect the sweet, sweet crude.......black gold......Texas tea.

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