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In another diary entry I posted a link to my petition calling on President Bush to keep his word and fire Karl Rove. Check it out here:


Busy day here on the hill today, but I wanted to let y'all see this release from my office on the developing Rove/Plame situation. Please recommend so others will see the information.


Slaughter to President: "Keep Your Word."
Bush Should Fire Karl Rove

Washington, DC - Rep. Louise M. Slaughter (D-NY), Ranking Member of the House Rules Committee, today called on President Bush to keep his word and fire Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove for his role in leaking the identity of Ambassador Joe Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, an undercover agent for the CIA.

Read my quotes in the extended entry...

"It is time for the President to keep his word. Karl Rove should be fired and prosecuted to the full extent of the law," said Rep. Slaughter. "There can be no gray area here, regardless of how he phrased it, regardless of how much detail he provided, he revealed the identity of an undercover CIA agent.  What Mr. Rove did is reprehensible. Putting the life of an undercover CIA agent in jeopardy can not be tolerated. He clearly deserves his pink slip," she continued.


During a White House Press Briefing on September 30, 2003 President Bush said the following in response to a question regarding the leaking of Valerie Plame's identity, "... if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of."  When asked at a post G-8 Summit News Conference on June 10, 2004 if he stood by his statement that he would fire whoever was responsible for the leak, Bush said, "Yes. And that's up to the U.S. attorney to find the facts."

At the Dedication Ceremony for the George Bush Center for Intelligence on April 26, 1999, former President George Herbert Walker Bush stated, "Even though I'm a tranquil guy now at this stage of my life, I have nothing but contempt and anger for those who betray the trust by exposing the name of our sources. They are, in my view, the most insidious of traitors."

According to Title 50, Ch. 15, Subch. IV, Sec. 421 intentionally revealing the identity of a covert CIA agent is punishable by 3-10 years in prison or $15-50k in fines or both.

Originally posted to Rep Louise Slaughter on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:17 PM PDT.

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  •  Ha fat chance (none)
    Though this is certainly a line we should hammer him on.  In fact, I hope Bush is stubborn.  More points for us.

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    by FleetAdmiralJ on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:14:08 PM PDT

    •  Firing (4.00)
      is too small a penalty.

      How about a full, impartial investigation(s) and prosecution to the fullest extent of the law of not only Rove, but A N Y O N E who participated in the felonious outing of an undercover CIA agent, something which the 41st president of the US, one George Herbert Walker Bush, called "T R E A S O N."

      •  If he committed a crime, (4.00)
        he should go to jail. But even if his conduct falls short of a jailable offense, his career should be over. Any Republican who associates with a sociopathic scumbag like Rove should be outed as having zero moral or ethical standards. That includes Bush. From this day forward, association with Rove should be the kiss of death for any political career.

        The whole notion of Bush being a nice guy despite his failings as a President should have been dispelled long ago by the fact that his primary political advisor is the evil dirty trickster Rove. Bush is an asshole. He has NO MORAL OR ETHICAL STANDARDS. His association with Rove is all the proof anyone needs. Bush is an asshole. He is not a good person.

        •  He was fired (4.00)
          by Bush Snr in '92 - and a lot of damage that did his career.

          The best option for a career-ender would be the hoosegow.

          •  then and now (none)
            Nobody knew who Karl Rove was back then. If Karl Rove is ever involved in another political campaign and Democrats don't use it to discredit his client's ethical standards, then Democrats deserve to lose.
            •  He needs to be convicted (4.00)
              The GOP always seems to walk around with the arrogant attitude that all the rules that apply to the rest of us don't ever apply to them.

              Karl Rove needs to be investigated BY AN INDEPENDENT LEGAL BODY, and tried and CONVICTED if he is guilty of this. If he is convicted, he needs to be imprisoned and serve the maximum term.

              Why? Because members of the administration need to serve as exemplary examples to the rest of our government. If they don't, and break the law instead, they should be punished severely..

              More severely than other civil servants of civilians.. not less.

              In China they would execute him and bill his family for the bullet, after selling his vital organs..

              •  I sure hope he is convicted. (none)
                But even if he isn't, he should be radioactive and untouchable from a political standpoint. That is my point. Whatever happens with the criminal case, if he has a career after this, we are living in bizarro world.
                •  You gotta think (none)
                  that if he's cleared, it will be spun as 'The Vindication of Karl Rove:  Persecution of an Innocent Man.'

                  If he's found guilty it won't be long before it's spun as 'Redemption Song:  The Rehabilitation of Rove.'

                  Investigate, prosecute, convict, and put him in prison and be done with it, that's what I say would be an appropriate 'career-ender' for The Talented Mr Rove.

                •  I've got a career for him. (none)
                  "Do you want fries with that?"

                  9/11 was the Neocons' Reichstag fire. "Patriot Act" = Enabling Act.

                  by Bulldawg on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 04:04:15 PM PDT

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              •  He's being investigated righ tnow (4.00)
                Fitzgerald's doing an excellent job, considering the degree of stonewalling he's received from the White House, and the care Rove took in covering his tracks.  You don't make a career out of dirty tricks without learning to skirt the law very carefully.

                "I'm not big on propaganda. I leave that to the Republicans."
                -Howard Dean

                by Leggy Starlitz on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 02:20:23 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  hope the clock doesn't run out (none)
                  I heard that the special prosecutor term runs out in October, so I hope it gets extended.
                  I guess that it was in limbo while the appeal to the Supreme Court re the reporters was decided.
              •  Even if Americans are fortunate enough (none)
                to bleed the Rove out of their system, Bush will still grant him full pardon for all those other "patriotic and freedom-loving sacrifices" he has made for the nation.  Sorry for the cynicism.

                If you aren't completely appalled, you haven't been paying attention. -Two Unemployed Democrats

                by freelance activist on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 03:56:51 PM PDT

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            •  Everybody knew about Lee Atwater (none)
              and that did nothing but enhance his worth to George HW Bush.  Horses of a feather have stepped in something and love the smell of it in the morning....or something like that.  Well, you know what I mean
          •  Plame's disclosure was enough. (none)
            ...naming her, in any government capacity at said time, is an offense in and of itself.

            'Knowingly' does not matter...

            ...he breached security, was not cleared to access her name.

            Someone leaked Plame to Rove a level higher than him(VP,POTUS,NSA) and has since obstructed justice in not coming forward and being forthright.

            McCellan denied Rove was not involved today

            He was asked if Rove did not breach Plame's identity , which mcClellan denied.

            ...a double negative...

            Thanks, Mrs.Slaughter
            Continue to give the nation a voice in this important security issue.

    •  I still find it somewhat surprising (none)
      that Bush didn't know Rove was leaky as a faucet back in '03 (I assume he wouldn't have made those threats if he knew).  The Prez may have a poker face, but not at this game of Texas Hold 'Em.
      •  I don't find it surprising. (none)
        I think the president knew in 2003 that Rove was the source of the leak.   He just didn't think anyone would ever get to the bottom of it.   Or even if they did, it wouldn't be until his 2nd term when he could just go ahead and grant a presidential pardon the person who committed treason.   The only thing I don't know is, whether Bush will give Rove a Medal of Freedom before or after he gives him a pardon.
      •  I am afraid that the Prez was bluffing. (none)
        •  Yeah... (none)
          It's a modified, limited hangout, right?

          Bush conspires with his top people to get Plame, then orders everybody to cooperate with the criminal investigation (nudge nudge, wink wink...), then says it's all up to the Special Prosecutor to figure out what happened and doesn't make anyone actually cooperate.

          That's conspiracy to obstruct justice, on top of the originial conspiracy.

          This should be enough to bring the whole ratpack to justice, shouldn't it?

          •  agreed (none)
            The level of the elak was at NSA,VP,POTUS.

            ...most likely it was two pronged- Cheney breached it because his daughter in Near East affairs dealt with Niger specifically.

            Then State allowed the leak overseas in the capacity of TaftIV, Liz Cheney, and her husband, with Bolton doing the bully work at their bidding domestically and abroad.

            Cheney's daughter undermined Powell's authority.
            The NSA most likely breached this in the verification of security briefings alongside the DIC(Tenet, who resigned).

            Once the cat was out of the bag behind the scenes, Rove went to the press and the Cheneys sent out word in the field.

            Go after the Cheneys, Rove was not authorized to have Plame's name to him in any government capacity.

            The Brewster Jennings outing was done through established diplomatic channels. The Rove issue is just a follow up to that.

            Thanks, Rep.Slaughter
            for the privilege and honor to uphold the Constitution!

  •  wht would Bush start keeping his word now? (none)
    His history shows his word is useless.

    by ctkeith on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:14:37 PM PDT

    •  He Won't (none)
      After all, Karl Rove was ABC's most fascinating person of 2004:

      Barbara Walters Wanks Off Karl Rove

    •  He will keep his word in true Bush fashion. (none)
      Note that Bush said that the leaker would be "taken care of". This of course can be read in two ways; taking him out, OR looking after him. Now of course Bush said that this person would also be fired. So...

      The typical Bush solution would be to fire Rove, then appoint him to some nice cushy position somewhere where his salary is higher, but he could still advise Bush without the limelight. Unless Rove goes to jail he will still be in the picture.

      Just because you can doesn't mean you should!

      by taonow on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 05:03:36 PM PDT

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  •  His word has as much weight as a feather. (none)
    That being said, Rove still needs to get fired, badly.

    Reigning Welterweight Female Piefighter since 1998

    by ablington on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:17:53 PM PDT

  •  Keep Fighting! (4.00)
    It is critical to keep the pressure on until the public and media take notice!  Of course Pinky isn't going to fire The Brain.  But this is a nice opportunity to show how the White House has been "disassembling" all these years.

    Thank you, Honorable Representative!

    Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
    Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

    by Caelian on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:18:08 PM PDT

  •  Let's talk about values. (none)
    Honesty.  Commitment to one's word.  Justice and safety for the American people.

    How can Bush espouse any of these values when he continues to keep Mr Rove, a man who has violated federal law and endangered individual citizens, as well as our national community, in a top advisory and executive role?

    Fire Rove.

    I'll print the t-shirts.

    Flag burnings occur on average 8 times a year. Is the time/$ cost of a constitutional amendment really worth anyone's tax dollars - even if they support it?

    by deep6 on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:18:46 PM PDT

    •  Yes, let's! (none)
      And Karl Rove has the nerve to insinuate the Democrats (or liberals, excuse me) are "soft" on terror.

      From the Democratic Party Platform of the year 2000:

      "Battling Terrorism. Whether terrorism is sponsored by a foreign nation or inspired by a single fanatic individual, such as Osama Bin Laden, Forward Engagement requires trying to disrupt terrorist networks, even before they are ready to attack.

      We must improve coordination internationally and domestically to share intelligence and develop operational plans. We must continue the comprehensive approach that has resulted in the development of a national counter-terrorism strategy involving all arms and levels of our government. We must continue to target terrorist finances, break up support cells, and disrupt training. And we must close avenues of cyber-attack by improving the security of the Internet and the computers upon which our digital economy exists.

      As President, Al Gore will tolerate no attack against American interests at home or abroad: terrorists must know that if they attack America, we will never forget. We will scour the world to hunt them down and bring them to justice.

      While fighting terrorism, we will protect the civil liberties of all Americans. Our justice system must guarantee fairness with procedures that protect the rights of the accused, even under the unusual circumstances of the investigation of threats to our national security. We must avoid stereotyping, for it defeats the highest purposes of our country if citizens feel automatically suspect by virtue of their ethnic origin. The purpose of terrorism is not only to intimidate, but also to divide and fracture, and we cannot permit that to happen."

  •  RIght on.... (none)
    Bush should be reminded of his promise to fire whoever revealed that Joe Wilsons' wife, Valeria Plame, worked for the CIA.

    That, or Rove should be arrested and 'frog marched from the white house'.

  •  Go get him, Rep. Slaughter! (none)
    You rock!
  •  In a time of war -- death penalty? (none)
    Firing, great!

    Jail, better!  

    But isn't the penalty for high treason in a time of war a military execution?  GOP flacks vociferously backpeddling on the death penalty could sell tickets.

    Maybe W will pardon Rove as the fires under him get hotter?

    "I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian." -Martin Luther.

    by antirove on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:20:46 PM PDT

    •  No death penalty. Ever. (4.00)

      The Axis of Evil runs somewhere between K Street and Constitution Avenue.

      by DanielMN on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:39:56 PM PDT

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      •  Penalty a matter of law, not 'choice.' (none)
        First of all (and I shouldn't really have to do this), I, as a matter of moral conscience and faith, oppose the use of the death penalty 99.999%.  I won't argue there's never a case where it shouldn't be applied, but it would have to be a situation where it's the extreme lessor of two evils.  

        In my view, the state generally should not be depriving any citizen of life.  My actual ethics adhere closely to Sermon on the Mount ethics.  I oppose military conscription as well.  But I won't reject the possibility that a person of faith can have a military career since Jesus honored the faith of a soldier who followed military chain of command and treated Him as the supreme authority on life and healing.  Call me a flaming moderate if you must.

        The death penalty for treason in a time of war is a matter of law, and not our choice.  If you want to argue against the death penalty, feel free. I'll join you.  However, it's a reality, a possibility, and it's the firestorm of controversy this creates which poses the opportunity for a real nationwide reconsideration.

        My point was, if this penalty happens to named as possibly applicable for Karl Rove, the administration would be incredibly embarrassed and right wingers who ordinarily clamor for strict justice will be forced to reconsider.  Some few may call for Karl's head.  Others will find it a time to argue for extenuating circumstance.

        I would fully expect such a law to be challenged, changed, or some creative plead-out or an exception sought, if said law actually threatens one of the inner W circle.

        "I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian." -Martin Luther.

        by antirove on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 02:49:27 PM PDT

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        •  I am against the death penalty; however, (none)
          Rove getting a death sentence would keep him busy for a good long time.  We would not actually have to give him the shot just give him the sentence to keep him out of politics.  Great idea.
        •  I understand and I curse those (none)
          Four word simple answers.  It was in Murphy's Law, Book 2, I think, All complex intractable problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.  So sorry if my blurb led to misunderstanding.

          There is no manifest necessity for execution in the contemporary United States.  Utilitarian calculation must always lead to the conclusion that not executing prisoners is less evil than executing them.  So execution must be the greater evil and not executing must be the greater good.

          Yes, there are laws and laws must be followed.  But laws are inflexible and do not allow for extraordinary circumstances or mediating factors.  No one wants to live in a society where the letter of the law is enforced in every circumstance.

          In the end, it cannot be that progressives call for the execution of any prisoner.  It must be conservatives who call, since it is they that believe, and progressives who call them back from their folly.

          The Axis of Evil runs somewhere between K Street and Constitution Avenue.

          by DanielMN on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 09:30:41 PM PDT

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    •  Correct me if I'm wrong: We're not at war (none)
      I'm surprised this hasn't been discussed more by the legal minds at dKos, but as I understand it the United States is not formally at war.

      That's not to say there hasn't been a lot of war rhetoric, or that the word "war" hasn't been (mis)used frequently over the last 4 years.  However, it's my understanding that for the USA to be "at war" in the legal sense, there must be a declaration of war by Congress, not the President.  This is pretty clearly outlined in the War Powers Act, which unfortunately is murky in other areas of consequence.

      As far as I can tell, Congress has authorized the President to order military operations in the Middle East, by passing the 2001 "Authorization for the Use of Military Force".  There has been no declaration of war, therefore, WE ARE NOT AT WAR.

      The problem, as I see it, is that stateless actors (such as Al-Quaida) are the threat, yet do not legally exist as entitities subject to declarations of war.  This is a subtle and complex issue which I do not believe is adequately addressed through declarations of not-quite-war.


      I'm a pro-gun, pro-nuclear-power Reform Democrat.
      UUJN: Brother Venerable Katana of Mindful Forgiveness

      by AlphaGeek on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 03:25:14 PM PDT

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      •  Details... (none)
        Yeah, and Vietnam was an incursion.

        Korea was a police action.

      •  the autorization is a delcaration (none)
        We're in the "war on teror".
        What rock you been smokin' sleeping under?

        Besides at the time of the Plame breach we were at war.

        Rove's whole exit is "knowingly" for avoiding the treason punishment capital sentence.

        Fine with me, throw him in trustee red, or have him share the cell with Osama when a Dem runs things and brings osama to justice.

        Rove already broke the law. Plame's disclosure is itself a crime, no mitigating circumstance involved.

  •  Thank you Rep. Slaughter... (none)
    From all of us kossacks, thank you for speaking up.  Thanks for the quote by former President Bush, that was good reading.
  •  Piss n' Vinegar (none)
    Louise, you're really great... always sticken' to your guns. Stay at it.
  •  Great press release (none)
    We should remember that many of the less politically active might have forgotten Bush's ill-fated promise to punish the leaker.  Let's not let the country forget those words, which have the potential of becoming nearly as significant as the infamous 16 words in his State of the Union speech.

    Bush will pay with his legacy for his and his administration's willingness to use such illicit means to launch the Iraq War.  Thanks for your efforts towards this reckoning.

    It ain't really what you'd call change. It's all happened before and it'll happen again with a different set of facts. -Gloria Naylor

    by GN1927 on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:22:03 PM PDT

  •  Will he need to fire himself? (4.00)
    Why did Bush retain a criminal lawyer last year, in connection with the Plame affair? And why was it important that it be outside, independent counsel, unless Bush had something to hide?

    TPM link to Mike Allen's article concerning Bush's retaining counsel

    "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

    by SteinL on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:22:38 PM PDT

  •  Keep the Heat On (none)
    Rep. Slaughter, keep pressing for the President to keep his word.  And once Rove is indicted for breaking the law under the Espionage Act of l917, see if Bush can maintain his iron fist over the government with his 'brain' locked up in a cell.

    I'm in no mood to be tolerant of these crooks.

  •  Why break precedent? (none)
    The guy has been batting well below .500 on keeping his word.  

    Why on earth would he start now?  He's dug in.  


    Jesus loves me...but he can't stand you!

    by Tug on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:23:25 PM PDT

  •  "The person will be taken care of." (none)
    You have it all wrong. He actually meant that they'd stay at the Hyatt at the next Republican convention.
  •  Most days... (4.00)
    I am surprised about one outrage pouring after another.  But, now I am becoming pleasantly surprised at your efforts.  You seem extremely timely, informed and razor sharp.  I am in awe.  Thanks again.

    "[A] 'Sharecropper's Society' [is] precisely where our trade policies, supported by Republicans and Democrats alike, are taking us." - Warren Buffet

    by RichM on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:24:33 PM PDT

  •  I will recommend this.... (4.00)
    and I mean this with absolutely all due respect to you and your fellow Democratic office holders in the Congress... I know that you are working hard and trying to do what is right, and I am not attacking or dismissing you or your fellow Congressmen in any way.


    I don't want Rove fired, because that's not good enough.

    I want him charged for betraying the national security of the American people. He's a traitor.

    This isn't about politics, winning elections, or holding the Bush administration to account anymore... this is about much, much more. He has proven himself to be a threat to our national security.

    Not a scandal, but a crime.

    You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. -Malcolm X

    by LeftHandedMan on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:25:09 PM PDT

    •  Couldn't agree more... (none)
      and I'll be a bit more pointed about it. At the risk of having my die-hard leftist community-organizing enraged butt handed to me, that is.

      As much as I agree with Rep. Slaughter's stance on this (and am f--king livid at this Plame nonsense), I think it's a highly inappropriate use of her time and resources to issue position letters like this, blog them, and so forth. Honestly, it strikes me more as a political pander to the choir (us) than a productive action.  

      After all of this furor over the investigation in recent days, it strikes me that SP Fitzgerald might actually be doing a yeoman's job, going where he needs to go to get this thing nailed down... and quite possibly preparing indictments. We'll see in short order, I trust.  In the meantime, writing letters to Bush isn't going to do a whit of good;  they'll be ignored, frankly, because they don't carry any teeth, or threat of material repercussions.  With that in mind, I really do think that letters like this are designed more to elate us than to have any impact on the recipient.  And that bothers me, because I'm sick of political posturing, regardless of how much I might agree with the stated position.

      And I agree that this is about a rather heinous crime, nothing less.  Exhorting Rove's boss to make good on a flimsy promise only dilutes the real message here, which is there was likely a treasonous act committed.  That's where our fire ought to be directed.

      Rep. Slaughter, your heart is in the right place on this... but please reconsider your tactics.

      •  Keep pressure up (none)
        Let's not get overconfident.  The Grand Jury could come up with no indictments.  Fitzgerald is supposed to be a straight shooter, but we should not lose sight of the fact that this investigation is still part of the White House's AG office.  They could shut it down for any number of reasons, including national security.  They may also apply pressure to charge only underlings for what top administration officials did (ala Abu Ghraib).

        The full prosecution of this case (and all the ancillary issues including WMD fabrications) will only occur if the White House is intimidated from stopping the prosecution because of public outcry.

        This case needs to be widely known to the public, or the White House could squash the whole thing.  Right now, few Americans know what is happening.  What Rep. Slaughter is doing is important to keep the case in high profile.  

  •  Semantics (none)
    Now, Bush didn't say the leaker would be FIRED; he said he would be "TAKEN CARE OF." Which could mean that Cheney just takes Rove out back and slaps him around a little, or that they fit him for cement shoes and sink him next to Jimmy Hoffa. But FIRED? I don't think so. Would that he were.
  •  Bush said the leaker would be taken care of. (4.00)
    Not fired.
    Taken care of.
    You know: he takes care of his own.
    Like Abrams. Poindexter.
    Feel free to sing along.

    It's the Stupidity, Stupid!

    by Q Dog on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:27:32 PM PDT

    •  Not quite - appropriate action would be taken. (none)

      QUESTION: Yesterday we were told that Karl Rove had no role in it. . .

      QUESTION: Have you talked to Karl and do you have confidence in him . . .

      THE PRESIDENT: Listen, I know of nobody -- I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it, and we'll take the appropriate action.

      George W. Bush
      Remarks to Reporters
      September 30, 2003

      "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

      by SteinL on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:33:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Can You Say... (none)

    "You! Telling me the things you're gonna do for me. I ain't blind and I don't like what I think I see." -Doobie Brothers

    by prophet on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:29:23 PM PDT

  •  Will he fire himself? (none)
  •  We should all pound Rove to (4.00)
    either call Cooper a liar or quit. There really is no other option. How can the President justify having a person who will not deny the charge of treason still walk the halls of the White House.

    No I didn't have a straight face when I typed that...

    Preserve democracy, cancel your cable

    by The past is over on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:30:48 PM PDT

  •  Firing Rove is not enogh - You need to bring up .. (none)
    niger forgery. Joe Wilson and his wife were under attacks because he spoke the truth.

    We need to have invetigations about the niger forgery. Who forged the niger papers ? It goes to the heart of this whole mess.

  •  Firing him.... (4.00)
    would be a good start. But it has been two years since the leak, and I think it is time to start asking "What did the president know and when did he know it?" There is no question that there has been a massive cover up at the highest levels of power.

    Rep. Slaughter, please join Henry Waxman in calling on Karl Rove to testify in front of congress about his involvement in this affair.

  •  Love the irony! (none)
    Political advisor Rove, if doing his job, would certainly have to recommend to Dear Leader that he fire political advisor Rove.

    It will all come down to integrity. Is it present anywhere in the (White) house?

    "Better ask questions before you shoot/deceit and betrayals bitter fruit" -- Bruce Springsteen, "Lonesome Day"

    by QuestionableSanity on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:33:10 PM PDT

  •  rove (none)
    When does he get one of those "Freedom Medals" that Tenet got?
  •  So.... (none)
    Now you know what he meant when he said the person who leaked "will be taken care of".  Exactly.

    Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive! Sir Walter Scott.

    by tomathawl on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:37:16 PM PDT

  •  Don't know if this is old (none)
    But Citizens for Responsiblity and Ethics in Washington sent a similar request as well:

    Qui tacet consentire videtur

    by Ostap Bender on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:37:49 PM PDT

  •  I Want a Frog March (4.00)
    I've never seen one before.  
  •  With Republicans controlling the government (none)
    Bush will do what he damn well pleases. He doesn't care about what you think, he says he doesn't care about polls.  This is the most corrupt administration I will ever see in my lifetime.

    According to the 9/11 Commission there was no connection between 9/11 and Iraq.

    by txbirdman on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:38:53 PM PDT

  •  Someone should also investigate (4.00)

    I'm very concerned he may have defecated on a flag during that press conference.

  •  If its any indication (none)
    that the MSM will NOT continue to press the WH on this issue, over at CNN, they do not say much about the press briefing, but have a nice fifteen sentence artice right next to the Rove cabal about how Hillary Clinton compared Bush to Alfred E. Newman with wonderfully loooong and shameful head-shaking responses from every Republican party operative in NY state CNN could get a word outof with their latest liberal label: "a party adrift".

     The juxtaposition between the two stories is sickening but at least the Con. talking points are getting a little poetic

  •  Thank you Congresswoman Slaughter! (none)
    Thanks to you and to Congressman Waxman for coming out immediately to finally shine the light on this unconscionable political vendetta on the floor of the House.  It is about time that there is accountability and consequences for what may be an act of treason. Rove should be fired immediately while the investigation proceeds to unravel the full truth.
  •  Read the entire release... (4.00)
    The Congresswoman is calling for more than President Bush to fire Karl Rove.  She is calling on him to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  Read the whole release carefully.

    I think we need to keep the heat up on these two fronts... getting out there on too many issues will only dilute the power of our arguments.

    1. Fire Him
    2. Prosecute Him

    We all know that new stuff will come up in his trial.
  •  Dear Louise (4.00)
    At the very least Mr. Bush should place Mr. Rove on a temporary leave of absence and revoke his security clearances until such time as this matter is cleared up.

    "We have the power. Sorry if you don't like the fact that we've decided to use it." Posted by Jeremey*in*MS at February 3, 2005 01:59 PM

    by Andrew C White on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 01:55:09 PM PDT

  •  I still want to know... (none)
    How the word "operative" got by Novak's editors.  They should be held accountable too.
  •  Amen! (none)
    He also needs to come clean about what he knew himself.  Does anyone really believe that he's just now finding out it was Rove?

    Bush talks the talk when it comes to protecting Americans from terrorists and WMD, but how then can he stand idly by while people on his staff "burn" a CIA non-official cover operative gathering information on WMD?  And likely getting some of her sources overseas killed?

  •  The focus should be on transparency (4.00)
    We really need to stay away from the legal arguments.  That's when the public tunes out and does the "they're all corrupt and playing the same washington games anyway" thing.  the narrative is deceptively simple.  A CIA agent was outed by someone in the whitehouse.  They lied about it to cover it up.  If they want anyone to think otherwise, prove it.  Let the light in.  If the don't its called stonewalling.  

    "If he who bases his hopes on human nature is a fool, he who gives up in the face of circumstances is a coward." -Albert Camus

    by jcbhan on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 02:04:28 PM PDT

  •  With all due respect, Rep. Slaughter.... (none)
    this will never happen.
  •  In case they try the semantics game (none)
    and say the president never said "fire"...his spokesman, Mr. I Just Stonewalled That Question, Next...said fire those responsible

    WaPo  story 2003

    "But your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore"--Prine

    by Cathy on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 02:16:17 PM PDT

    •  the same apology now being made for (none)
      rove - he never said her name - so it didn't count!

      Rep. Slaughter, if you start a petition, we will sign!  last time out, Rep. Conyers had hundreds of thousands - we will willingly do it again!  

      thank you for your good works on behalf of all americans, not just nooyawkers!

      War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Long Live Oceana!

      by edrie on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 08:14:24 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  What did Bush know? (none)
    Forget about the firing, this is about a cover-up?
  •  Bush will fire him (none)
    and then rehire him with a slightly different job title, like the did for Manuel Miranda.  That should placate the rubes in the MSM.
  •  What George the Lesser (none)
    said was that he would "take care of" anyone that leaked information.  Now, unless we are going to classify George with some sort of crime boss, that statement is open to lots of interpretations.

    3-D Republicans=division, deceit, debt

    by hannah on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 02:30:15 PM PDT

  •  Carl Bernstein slams Rove on CNN (none)
    In spite of the efforts of Wolf Shitzer, Carl Bernstein takes off on Rove: says his motive was clearly to smear someone and thus deflect attention from the administrations conduct re Iraq.
  •  The word (none)
    There is a word for demanding that Bush fire Rove.  The word is "settling."
  •  Oh, I understand the game all too well... (none)
    and I appreciate Rep. Slaughter's tenacity and need to hold feet to the fire, but we shouldn't fool oursleves that this WH has any shame.  They will give no ground so we have to be thinking two or three steps ahead on this one.  Who knows, maybe the fact that they will give no ground will be their downfall....
  •  Congresswoman Slaughter... (none)
    ... thanks very much for keeping the pressure on the Bush administration. However, do you think you can push for the ethics committee in the House to investigate corruption scandals such as the "Duke" Cunningham case? Or is that taboo even for a 'firebrand' such as yourself?
  •  just a note (none)
    Freepers are meltingdown over the press confrence. It's  a total meltdown.
  •  Thank you Rep. Slaughter. (none)
    I really appreciate our Democrats who are standing up to this WH.  We need more in Congress like you.  Keep us the good work because our country is worth the effort.
  •  Follow the Yellowcake Road (4.00)
    Representative Slaughter,

    I hope you will join Representative Waxman in calling for a Congressional investigation. We the People need to know if the "outing" of Valerie Plame is part of a larger pattern which involves the politicization of intelligence gathering functions that are vital to our national security. We the People need to know whether those who "outed" Valerie Plame did so in order to portray Ambassador Wilson as a biased and unreliable source, and if they did so with knowledge that the op-ed article that Ambassador Wilson wrote in July of 2003 was not only true also but reflected information that Ambassador Wilson had previously attempted to bring to the attention of the President in order to protect the credibility of the United States and keep our nation from becoming engaged in a war based on a false rationale.

    It will not do for Karl Rove to simply resign or be dismissed for revealing the identify of a covert CIA operative. Surely that is a grave offense, whether intentional or not, as is lying about it. However, there is a far graver issue that must be addressed by Congress: Did Karl Rove or other members of the Bush administration knowingly engage in acts designed to mislead the American people and the people's Congress regarding the rationale for a preemtive war that is now draining our treasury, straining our military, and jeopardizing the future security of our nation.

    I used to live in the United States of America. Now I live in a homeland.

    by homeland observer on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 03:23:34 PM PDT

    •  but be careful about "use immunity" (none)
      After reading this diary I now realize that the legal investigation should be allowed to reach its conclusion before Karl Rove or anyone else who might have broken a law is given "use immunity" in return for Congressional testimony.

      I used to live in the United States of America. Now I live in a homeland.

      by homeland observer on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 06:08:05 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Representative Slaughter (none)
    Thank you for this post.

    Why would treason be punished with firing?

    Why would Rove not get a jail sentence, or hang from a rope?

  •  "bush should" (none)
    you could make a whole diary just out of that!

    bush rove.

    bush should...get training wheels.


    as always, thank you so much, Rep. Slaughter!  we have to keep the pressure on these guys.  

  •  Judith Miller's source.... (none)
    the one(s) she is protecting, is Karl Rove.

    inspire change...don't back down

    by missliberties on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 03:45:12 PM PDT

  •  Interpretation of Bush's statment (none)
    "If the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of"

    Rove will be pardoned.

  •  Rep. Slaughter, thanks (none)
    for speaking up on this one.  I loved you from your comments on the Jeff Gannon issue and I appreciate you even more today.

    If you aren't completely appalled, you haven't been paying attention. -Two Unemployed Democrats

    by freelance activist on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 03:49:35 PM PDT

  •  Bush Statements on Plame Scandal (none)

    The timeline above only tells part of the story.  Here's Bush on October 7, 2003:

    "Well, the investigators will ask our staff about what people did or did not do. This is a town of -- where a lot of people leak. And I've constantly expressed my displeasure with leaks, particularly leaks of classified information. And I want to know, I want to know the truth. I want to see to it that the truth prevail. And I hope we can get this investigation done in a thorough way, as quickly as possible...

    Randy, you tell me, how many sources have you had that's leaked information that you've exposed or have been exposed? Probably none. I mean this town is a -- is a town full of people who like to leak information. And I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration official. Now, this is a large administration, and there's a lot of senior officials. I don't have any idea. I'd like to. I want to know the truth. That's why I've instructed this staff of mine to cooperate fully with the investigators -- full disclosure, everything we know the investigators will find out. I have no idea whether we'll find out who the leaker is -- partially because, in all due respect to your profession, you do a very good job of protecting the leakers. But we'll find out."

  •  David Schuster (none)
    just ended his report on hardball by asking the question of whether Rove was doing all this on his own or with orders from higher up.
    This... just after discussing Rove previously acting to protect Cheney.


    "We have the power. Sorry if you don't like the fact that we've decided to use it." Posted by Jeremey*in*MS at February 3, 2005 01:59 PM

    by Andrew C White on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 04:35:43 PM PDT

    •  Tweety (4.00)
      The Repub shill on Hardball was going balls to the wall attacking Wilson again, saying that it was true that Plame got Wilson the trip, and that therefore Wilson couldn't be trusted, and that Rove was just correcting the story.

      She then went on to say that Now It Can Be Told that Wilson lied about absolutely everything, presumably now the yellowcake / Iraq story is going to be true again, Wilson never saw any forged memo, wackity wackity wack.

      Expect more and much more of the same:  

      More attacks on Wilson and Plame

      Isn't this where we came in?

      Do we have to have this again?

      •  Wasn't that something? (none)
        She basically said Wilson never saw the forged documents therefore it wasn't true that the documents were forged... yet... the british say they were forged. The Italians have since agreed. The Niger folks say they were forged. Umm... even the American government says they were forgeries.




        What is one to make of something like that? I'm stumped. Incredulous comes to mind but it isn't strong enough.

        The fact is that Wilson was right.

        The fact is that it doesn't matter whether Wilson was right or not.

        The fact of the matter is that having an ex-ambassador go on an investigative trip like this and take his wife along on the trip, 'specially since she happens to be an undercover WMD expert for the CIA and going along with hubby on the junket makes for a nice cover, is a GREAT idea! Criticizing this is idiotic.

        But the real issue, the only issue, is the behavior of the White House is placing politics above national security. Rove said Plame was "fair game" whether he gets away with the criminal aspects of this or not. Rove placed political revenge above the good of the nation. For that alone he ought be fired. Why hasn't he been removed?

        "We have the power. Sorry if you don't like the fact that we've decided to use it." Posted by Jeremey*in*MS at February 3, 2005 01:59 PM

        by Andrew C White on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 07:03:21 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  My jaw dropped (none)
          I couldn't believe what was coming out of her mouth.  I still can't.  As you have pointed out, none of it made any sense. And Marshmallow Tweety was not playing hardball in this case.  He just let her go on and on spouting nonsense.

          The only good news is that the public is not buying it, at least so far.

          But if I were Wilson and Mrs. Wilson, I'd buckle my seat belt, because it's going to be another miserable ride.

          •  Letting her go out on a limb was a good call (none)
            She will suffer the vertigo of having reality catch up with her fast, in the days ahead.

            The WH press corps has been played as idiots for years by this administration. Now they have the man who has been doing the stringing along, by his own strings. They all know that Judith Miller probably was a co-actor with Rove, but they also know that one of them could be in jail, for protecting a source as sleazy as Rove, by the rules followed by this WH.

            Therefore, the press has decided to go mediaeval on Rove, and McClellan knows it. He was sweating buckets today, and has a long, hot summer ahead of him.

            "I don't do quagmires, and my boss doesn't do nuance."

            by SteinL on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 01:20:46 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  Let us pound home President Bush's oft (none)
    repeated motto: "I say what I mean, and mean what I say."

    Proof is in the puddin' of whether the Dough Boy of Penn Ave keeps his job or not.

  •  it's this simple (none)
    The problem with this administration is they put the intrests of the Republican Party above the interests of the United States of America.

    Lay that one one 'em, Louise.  See how many places it sticks.  And I strongly urge you to say Party rather than Administration.  Otherwise they'll never learn...

  •  connection to Powell and Air Force One? (none)
    There's another diary right now (not mine), dropping off the list, on a new breaking bit of this story:

    Michael Isiskoff, the journalist who somehow got ahold of the email from Cooper, also believes that Plame's identity may have been disclosed in a classified report that Powell brought on Air Force One.  How does Isiskoff know this; who is leaking to him?  Why isn't he saving it for his next article?  And why didn't either Candy Crowley (video at or Chris Mathews ask any follow-up questions when Isiskoff dropped this bombshell?

    This is probably much bigger than just Rove...

  •  Bush Fire Rove? (none)
    I'd be surprised.

    In fact, remember, George Bush PROMOTED ROVE to Deputy Chief of Staff.  It was announced on February 9, 2005.

    February 9, 2005.

    Here's the AP announcement:

    WASHINGTON -- Karl Rove, President Bush's senior political strategist, has been promoted to deputy chief of staff.

    Rove will continue to oversee strategy to advance the president's agenda. In addition, he will continue to oversee the offices of intergovernmental affairs, political affairs and strategic initiatives.

    But he will add to his portfolio the oversight of all White House policy development and coordination of the Domestic Policy Council, the National Economic Council, the National Security Council and the Homeland Security Council, White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

    What did Bush know, and when did he know it?  If he knew earlier this year that it was Rove who uncovered Valerie Plame Wilson, was THIS Bush's response to that fact?

    •  Not only that but Carl Rove ain't going away... (none)
      ...unless of course he gets sent away...odds of that 3 in 10 maybe.

      ...He can still pull the puppet strings as easy as an unpaid advisor as he can as deputy chief of staff.

      ...and exactly how many have paid the price for five long years of fuck-ups....answer: None.  They get promoted, medals of honor, lucrative private client contracts...c'mon people...this is BushCo.  He lied us into war and we can't even get an investigation.

      "Anyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist these days isn't paying attention." -Paul Revere

      by Blue Shark on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 08:37:00 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Thank you representative for trying to (none)
    restore our democracy. PLEASE don't let this die like every other horrendous scandal of this malignant admininstration.
  •  Fire Rove? (none)
    Yes, President Bush can fire Rove, but he'll still be there under the radar, directing the next campaign. It's going to take a public who refuses to listen to Karl Rove's propaganda.
  •  Repubs talking points re Rove's disclosures (none)
    From the Tweetie Show, a few righties seem to be setting the talking points:

    That Wilson is a liar, that his statements have been shown to be false, that he has been discredited, blah and that Rove was just pointing out to Cooper that Wilson was unreliable. So they tried to come up with instances in which Wilson has been shown to have been wrong, etc. That his wife sent him on the trip to Niger. As if that made a difference.

    That Wilson said the Niger document was a forgery but had never seen the document.


    So the tactic is try to slip the outing of Plame in as just another example of debunking Wilson and his lies. Make Rove's very dirty trick into just politics as usual.

    Dionne correctly pointed out that this was trying to put Wilson on trial, instead of focusing on the issue of disclosing the identity.

  •  every GOP party member (none)
    should take a look back at their own 2000 Platform:

    In a time of fluid change and uncertainty, intelligence is truly America's first line of defense. The current administration has weakened that defense by allowing a series of shocking security breaches, from blatant espionage and its virtual abandonment of national security-related export controls, to sheer sloppiness at the highest levels of government. This must stop, immediately.  Nor should the intelligence community be made the scapegoat for political misjudgments.

    A Republican administration working with the Congress will respect the needs and quiet sacrifices of these public servants as it strengthens America's intelligence and counter-intelligence capabilities and reorients them toward the dangers of the future.

    Respect the needs and quiet sacrifices...they really have no shame.  It's nauseating.  

    Comments referring only to ratings are a nuisance. Noise. They waste time and bandwidth. We're all dumber for having read them.

    by willowby on Mon Jul 11, 2005 at 09:31:56 PM PDT

  •  King George II and Jester Rove... (none)
    I agree 100% that Karl Rove should be fired and prosecuted.  I believe it should have happened some time ago in that Bush likely knew Rove was the leak from the beginning.  However, the wager is on whether or not Bush will keep his word, so I must ask...  what has Bush kept his word on to the American people?  What issue (or issues) has Bush stayed true on without changing his story or posturing on and why should we expect this issue to be handled any differently?  I SINCERELY hope he does keep his word this time, but that would be more of a surprise to me than his keeping Rove on for the remainder of his term.  Besides, Bush will likely pardon Rove toward the end of his term if Rove is prosecuted and it's likely that Bush or Daddy will be happy to help secure Rove a nice private-sector consulting job.  This cycle really stinks, but it isn't surprising...
  •  Rep. Slaughter (none)
    Thanks for stopping by my site, if it indeed was you. That kind of traffic is highly, highly appreciated!

    Boy...what a good start to an otherwise regular morning!

    Phillybits "Censoring torture stories doesn't help the troops."

    by Stand Strong on Tue Jul 12, 2005 at 05:03:57 AM PDT

  •  TUNE IN TO CSPAN (none)
    I will be speaking about the Rove/Plame controversy during the 1 minute speeches this morning on the House Floor at approximately 10am ET.  Tune in and let me know what you think.


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