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The shuttle is back in space!

A picture named sts114_launch01.jpgYAY!  The shuttle is back in space!!!

I've been watching NASA TV and it was great to see DISCOVERY take off and fly up.  I especially liked the view from the camera on the external fuel tank.  

If all goes well, they should be docking with the space station in about two days.  

I'm so happy.

jtg

Originally posted to jtg on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 08:47 AM PDT.

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  •  Me too (none)
    Did you see the launch thread? Some good comments. This a great day. Time to celebrate, bring on the beer!

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/26/102127/464

    Have you told a veteran thank you today?

    by just another vet on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 08:51:43 AM PDT

  •  I'll hold off celebration (none)
    .. until it comes back intact.
  •  Congrats (4.00)
    A cousin of mine works at NASA; I talked to him on the phone this weekend and he said the pressure was enormous for this launch to happen.

    While I'm happy to see the Shuttle back in space, I'd remind everyone that the Space Shuttle was designed to go to space every WEEK.  It's time for us to be focusing on different lifting technologies.

    Cheers

  •  BOO-YA! 1 in 100 chance of shuttle disaster. (2.25)
    Never has there been such a conspicuous display of irrationality on TV. Deliberately launching seven people on a thrill ride with a 1% chance of total destruction is criminally irresponsible. Yet America is CHEERING! It hasn't blown up yet! USA! USA! USA!

    The congress is about to pass an "energy bill" with no significant provisions for reduction of oil imports. America loves it. Welcome to batshit insane America, where whatever looks good on TV becomes national policy.

    •  What in the hell (none)
      are you talking about?

      "Deliberately launching seven people on a thrill ride with a 1% chance of total destruction is criminally irresponsible."

      Seriously, I don't get it? If you don't support the space program, fine. But criminally irresponsible? That is a stretch.

      Have you told a veteran thank you today?

      by just another vet on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 09:12:49 AM PDT

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      •  I am talking about stupid risks (2.00)
        Today the NYT times published the 1 in 100 figure, which is NASA's current estimate of the odds for catastrophic failure of the shuttle on a given mission.

        Would you put your family in a vehicle with those odds? Would you put your life savings in an investment with those odds? No?

        But you would put billions of dollars in public funds and seven highly trained Kamikazes in the Space Shuttle. Any you would do it again and again, until the next one blows up. Then you would pause for two years and do the same dumb shit again.

        The Shuttle was not sold to America with 1 in 100 disaster odds. It was sold as cheap, reliable transportation to (low) Earth orbit. It has failed. But people like you, who cannot evaluate risk and return, want to keep flying it because it gives you some kind of buzz.

        I hope you enjoy the show, but you definitely won't get much for your money.

        •  I think it was in Buzz Aldrin's book... (4.00)
          ...where he mentions talking to a NASA risk assessment engineer after his return from the moon. The risk assessment guy mentioned that the official estimate of a successful return from the moon had been 50-50.

          Aldrin recalls being pleasantly surprised, because before launch he'd been told it was 70-30. Favoring a disaster.

          It's one thing to debate the ROI of the space program, although personally I think that's the wrong way to look at it. But focusing on the risk seems completely wrong to me. Of course we want to work to make it as safe as possible to protect both the people and the investment in hardware. But some things are just downright dangerous. And I would argue strongly that some of those are still well worth doing.

          "What is wanted is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is the exact opposite." - Bertrand Russell

          by Mad Dog Rackham on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 09:36:07 AM PDT

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        •  Whatever (none)
          The reason we still use the shuttle is because there hasn't been enough support to fund a new vehicle.

          Space flight is dangerous. So is driving a car, kills tens of thousands every year. That's life.

          As a mechanical engineer I understand full damn well the risks involved. And I will get my money's worth in twelve days when the shuttle returns.

          And yes, I did enjoy the show. It was beautiful.

          Have you told a veteran thank you today?

          by just another vet on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 09:42:16 AM PDT

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          •  It was not called "dangerous" before (2.00)
            When the aerospace companies were selling the shuttle, they never represented it as a dangerous system. Oh no, this was going to be safe, reliable, cheap transportation to Earth orbit. The shuttle was sold as a sturdy truck that would reliably orbit payloads on WEEKLY missions.

            Are you so deeply programmed by our Orwellian media that you can't recognize a propaganda change? The space shuttle program WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN APPROVED with 1 in 100 disaster odds.

            The shuttle program has been a huge failure, yet the TV mob is so desperate for signs of American success that they simply won't accept it, The shuttle is now a declared victory, like Vietnam and Iraq. To hell with the facts! We need the shuttle to be a success, so it is.

            Will the third orbiter explosion be enough for you to acknowledge the mistake, or do we need to lose all five? How much death and waste are required to put a stop to your TV fun?

            •  Um (none)
              When did I join the "Go America" crowd? I believe in the space program because I believe it is essential to our developmemt and survival as a race.

              As I said before, the cost of a better system has kept one from being developed. As for my TV fun, I don't see how pushing technology to the limits is a waste. But it doesn't matter in the end, you have your opinion and I have mine. And you seem intent on making this personal, why? Come up with your "facts" already.

              Have you told a veteran thank you today?

              by just another vet on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 11:17:25 AM PDT

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              •  Just what is the "space program?" (2.00)
                There are two "space programs" with which NASA is involved:

                1. There is the hard-core unmanned planetary science and aeronautical experimentation that is run by university laboratories, like JPL, using NASA funds. These programs are constantly under-funded and subject to cutbacks because of:

                2. The obese, mismanaged, deadly dangerous,  low-earth-orbit manned joyride programs - the shuttle and the space station (each one designed to give the other a reason to exist).

                Please distinguish which of these you are referring to when you say you support the "space program," because if you support #2, you are undercutting #1.

                Sending men to Mars with our current technology base is pure lunacy. Trying to establish a "base" there will simply put some dead guys on Mars at enormous expense. It won't even produce decent television, because you can't have a real-time conversation with Mars.

                I believe in real space science that is safe and efficient, not in stupid, expensive, deadly dangerous astronaut joyriding that generates not much more than splashy TV entertainment at enormous expense.

  •  Press missed death and ANKOSS's point (none)
    It's so nice to see people concerned about NASA and the future of the American space program, but to me the future of NASA dosen't look very bright.  I hope for a strong moon base program  because I'm sure the ISS will be cancelled before it can bring about any real type of science program.  The launch today was touted as a " Return to Moon Mars and Beyond" but the "Mars and Beyond" part had better be robots not a manned missions.  I'll go back to the idea that a one-off Manned Mars Mission is too far, too crew dangerous and too expensive to be of any science value. A permanent lunar base is the only MANNED mission that makes science exploration sense yet even today NASA gave the impression that manned Mars is coming soon. ANKOSS is right NASA and  the aero contractors have not been truthful with the US public, the dangers are real and when it's ALL glossed over, the public and the press (allowed too close to launch area could have been gassed if wind changed) can't see what has science value and what is batshit. One day NASA will have another grand flop and the public will turn against her. Why has the liberal segment of NASA planning(robots,Hubble, moon and good science) been overruled by the  (Got to go one-off Manned Mars because it cost $500Billion)aero contractor segment? .Where is the liberal press? Why do few in the press not see Mars will be just a one-off trip?irsouth2

    I wonder if the first city on the Moon will speak English or Chinese.--?

    by irsouth2 on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 12:19:38 PM PDT

    •  They profit from lies (2.00)
      Think about all the thirty-somethings working for aerospace companies who know that they are selling lies to the US public. These cold and cynical people are our new Orwellian technocrats, and they are as crazy and dysfunctional as any soviet-era nomnenklatura. Their world-view consists of a circle drawn around their own family's standard of living, and they will defend that little world with whatever lies are necessary.
      •  They profit from lies (none)
        This same argument should be used for the thirty-somethings that are in the press pool at the Cape. They are thrilled by all the show and smoke(which could have killed them) and are not looking at the American need for doable exploration science and other LOGICAL human advancement {some social, some ecological and some science)programs. A one-off Manned Mars Mission is just not and never has been logical or practical. Why haven't the liberal members of the press seen that idea? irsouth2

        I wonder if the first city on the Moon will speak English or Chinese.--?

        by irsouth2 on Tue Jul 26, 2005 at 01:23:12 PM PDT

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